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Mit einem Programm, das weit über Mobile hinausgeht, hat sich die Veranstaltung dieses Jahr deutlich breiter aufgestellt.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp>Jan nimmt uns mit durch Setup und Format: dedizierte Tracks für Gaming, XR, Security, Swift und mehr, Sessions über 20 oder 45 Minuten plus Keynotes in mehreren Tracks parallel. Das macht die Orientierung bequem, sorgt aber auch dafür, dass man als Besucher:in schnell drei Tage im selben Raum sitzt. Bei den 20-Minuten-Slots bleibt Jan skeptisch: Für einen Ticketpreis von etwa 500 Euro wünscht er sich mehr Tiefe statt acht Kontextwechsel pro Tag.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp>Inhaltlich spannend wurde es vor allem in den zwei Tracks zu Agentic Coding. Dort hat sich gezeigt, dass gerade zwei Realitäten nebeneinander existieren: auf der einen Seite die Bubble mit Software Factories, Agent-Rollen und von Agents gepflegten Wikis, auf der anderen Entwickler:innen, die Coding Agents aus guten Gründen nicht nutzen dürfen, von Patenten über Firmengeheimnisse bis zu Anforderungen an das Supply Chain Management. Für Jan ein Argument dafür, dass auch das klassische Konferenzformat noch lange relevant bleibt.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp>Zwei Talks sind besonders hängen geblieben: einer über das Factory Pattern, der die Frage aufwirft, ob sich unsere Rolle in Richtung Architekt:innen für das System verschiebt, das Software baut. Und einer zu Clean Code in Zeiten von AI, der sehr faktisch durchgeht, welche Regeln einem Agent tatsächlich nutzen und welche man verwerfen oder neu denken sollte.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp>Beim Eventhandwerk gibt es dagegen Luft nach oben, und das sagen wir hier ehrlich: Das Catering vom Vorjahr ist weggefallen, stattdessen gab es ein paar Food Trucks im Hof. Dazu mehrere Sessions, die schlicht ausgefallen sind, ohne dass es einen Hinweis gegeben hätte. Inhaltlich ist die Konferenz aus Jans Sicht auf einem guten Weg, organisatorisch fehlt an einigen Stellen noch die Kleinigkeit, die den Unterschied macht.\u003C\u002Fp>","https:\u002F\u002Fwww.buzzsprout.com\u002F176239\u002Fepisodes\u002F19983305-spezialfolge-next-app-devcon-2026-aus-berlin.mp3",{"id":14,"title":15,"description":8,"tags":8,"location":8,"filename_disk":16,"filename_download":17,"metadata":18,"type":19,"filesize":20,"modified_by":8,"modified_on":21,"embed":8,"uploaded_by":22,"uploaded_on":23,"folder":8,"width":24,"height":24,"charset":8,"duration":8},"59f7c3dc-bbcc-4bcd-9c6c-30bac17226fd","Special Nextappdevcon","59f7c3dc-bbcc-4bcd-9c6c-30bac17226fd.png","Special_nextappdevcon.png",{},"image\u002Fpng","1484517","2026-10-16T11:33:06.385Z","11a655b6-bcfc-4c6c-a13c-68189e38edb9","2026-10-16T11:33:06.382Z",1500,[],[27,44],{"member":28},{"id":29,"first_name":30,"last_name":31,"occupation":32,"description":33,"normal_image":34},"958f6624-c721-4ff9-8a97-69148f540945","Dennis","Becker","\u002F\u002F Podcast-Host","\u003Cp>Dennis ist Head of Development bei Lotum und kümmert sich liebevoll um die Entwickler:innen und deren Weiterentwicklung. \u003Cbr>In den Podcastfolgen übernimmt Dennis gerne die Moderation. Beim täglichen Tischtennis ist er immer am Start und seit wenigen Jahren passionierter Kitesurfer. Mittlerweile ist er auch Vibe Coder mit Leidenschaft und überzeugt, dass seine Kolleg:innen AI unterschätzen. \u003C\u002Fp>",{"id":35,"title":36,"description":8,"tags":8,"location":8,"filename_disk":37,"filename_download":38,"metadata":8,"type":39,"filesize":40,"modified_by":8,"modified_on":41,"embed":8,"uploaded_by":8,"uploaded_on":42,"folder":8,"width":43,"height":43,"charset":8,"duration":8},"7a9fd72e-16b1-4283-8c1f-348a3e7986f9","Dennis Becker","7a9fd72e-16b1-4283-8c1f-348a3e7986f9.jpg","dennis_becker_normal_01e352e682.jpg","image\u002Fjpeg","45729","2022-01-16T14:26:35.196Z","2021-12-30T14:16:28.647Z",1024,{"member":45},{"id":46,"first_name":47,"last_name":48,"occupation":49,"description":50,"normal_image":51},"47099351-508c-44d9-a2a2-855181c72ee8","Jan Gregor","Emge-Triebel","\u002F\u002F programmier.bar Tech Community Lead \u002F\u002F Podcast-Host","\u003Cp>Jan ist ein echter Technik-Fan mit einer facettenreichen Karriere, die sich über Web-, Mobile-App-Entwicklung und DevOps erstreckt. Dank seiner vielfältigen Rollen – vom Entwickler über den Teamleiter bis hin zum Vice President Development – verfügt Jan über einen großen Erfahrungsschatz in der Softwareentwicklung und Developer Advocacy.\u003Cbr>Seine Leidenschaften jenseits der Technik reichen von Tauchgängen an exotischen Orten über das Eintauchen in digitale wie analoge Spiele bis hin zum Abtauchen in gelungene Plot-Twists in Büchern und Filmen.\u003C\u002Fp>",{"id":52,"title":53,"description":8,"tags":8,"location":8,"filename_disk":54,"filename_download":55,"metadata":56,"type":39,"filesize":57,"modified_by":8,"modified_on":58,"embed":8,"uploaded_by":59,"uploaded_on":60,"folder":8,"width":43,"height":43,"charset":8,"duration":8},"ef7c0ccb-a2b5-48a0-8261-c8bbfffd917b","Jan CD","ef7c0ccb-a2b5-48a0-8261-c8bbfffd917b.jpg","Jan_CD.jpg",{},"649400","2024-07-26T09:26:17.846Z","e97179d2-51b3-4deb-828f-9524091441f5","2024-07-26T09:26:17.710Z",[],[],[],[],488,208,[],{"id":69,"service":70,"supported_features":71,"speakers":74,"raw_response":80},"0ea35da1-56d2-4242-9b80-b2bd6dfde171","deepgram",[72,73],"timestamps","diarization",[75,77],{"identifier":76,"name":30},"0",{"identifier":78,"name":79},"1","Jan",{"metadata":81,"results":98},{"transaction_key":82,"request_id":83,"sha256":84,"created":85,"duration":86,"channels":87,"models":88,"model_info":90,"diarize_info":95},"deprecated","01a15428-76fc-7432-b900-399ac7d5d7af","8dd82772712c339ecae7264d2acdfba3a4937d014b8ebc17d09c16688203b919","2026-10-19T12:35:04.918Z",1692.1813,1,[89],"91f8eabe-2126-4ed4-9e56-d480032309b3",{"91f8eabe-2126-4ed4-9e56-d480032309b3":91},{"name":92,"version":93,"arch":94},"2-general-nova","2024-05-09.3071","nova-2",{"model_uuid":96,"arch":97},"a9f85c2b-5afb-4b9d-b49b-492c43a01cfb","v1",{"channels":99,"utterances":15636},[100],{"alternatives":101},[102],{"transcript":103,"confidence":104,"words":105,"paragraphs":14681},"Hallo und herzlich willkommen zu 1 neuen programmierbare Folge, einem Special über eine Konferenz und zwar reden wir heute über die Next App DeCon. Das ist Richtig. Jetzt hab ich auch wirklich nicht richtig gemacht. Ich bin Dennis Becker und mir gegenüber sitzt... Jan Gregor im Getriebe. Moin moin. Genau. Und Jan, Du warst nämlich auf dieser Konferenz und kannst ein bisschen was darüber berichten. Yes und vielleicht für alle da draußen, die jetzt denken, was ist denn die Next App TevCon? Das hab ich irgendwie noch nie gehört. Ja. Das ist richtig? Weil ich hieß früher anders, die hieß schon mehrfach anders. Ganz früher war es die, dann ist das so und zusammen geworden. Und dieses Jahr haben sie sich erstmals noch breiter aufgestellt mit ganz viel Tracks zu Web und anderen Themen können wir gleich noch drüber sprechen. Deshalb haben sie jetzt gesagt so, okay, wir kommen aus diesem App Space, deshalb so next App, aber wir machen auch so generisch deff für alle, deshalb next App, deff con. Ist würd da auch noch mal drüber nachdenken, nur über den Namen, aber so ist es jetzt. Okay. Das heißt, würdest Du schon, hat's trotzdem noch sonen, ah nee, Du hast gerade gesagt, Web ist auch dabei. Also, App heißt nicht ausschließlich so Native iOS Android, sondern nee, also ich würde sagen, der allergrößte Teil der Besucherin war schon so Mobile Developer, weil da kommen sie halt her, da haben sie eine große Crowd, ne, die kommen ja auch alle irgendwie wieder. Aber dadurch, dass sie auch Tracks zu React, zu Cross Plattform Frameworks, zu für Gentic, für Spiele, für bla, haben war's schon auch 'n sehr gemischtes Publikum. Okay. 1 bis 10. Kann ich zählen, ja. Wie begeistert warst Du am Ende? Boah, ich weiß nicht, ob ich der Richtige bin, das zu beantworten. Ja okay, ich versteh, was Du meinst oder warum die Frage wichtig ist. Ich würde sagen, sone 7 bis 8 mit vielleicht sonem kleinen bisschen Salz obendrauf, weil ich ja quasi von Berufs wegen begeistert sein muss, wenn ich da hinfahr. Mhm. Weil also ich bin ja da, Content zu finden, so coole Speaker zu finden, coole Themen zu finden. Deswegen und es liegt auch so in meiner Natur der Sache, dass ich mich generell für Sachen begeistern kann, also ist für mich vielleicht einfacher. Wenn ich jetzt hauptberuflich nur Mobile App Development machen würde oder nur Web Development oder nur Game Development, dann wär's vielleicht eher sone 6 bis 7 so, aber ja. Okay. Dann noch mal 'n paar Fakten. Weiß nicht, wie viele Du davon kennst. Wann hat sich stattgefunden? Fakten Fakten, Fokuswerbung war das früher, gell? Fakten. Fakten. Ja, ja. Stattgefunden vom siebten bis neunten Oktober und nächstes Jahr ist es auch wieder so den Dreh. Okay, in Berlin CityCube Messe mit Wie vielen Menschen? 24 Tracks hab ich mir aufgeschrieben. Okay, 24 Tracks. Menschen, ich hab noch mal nachgedacht, ich hab keine Zahlen gefunden. Ich würde vermuten, es waren son paar 1000. Okay, 24 Tracks hast Du gesagt? Ja, die aber nicht immer alle zu jeder Zeit vollgeführt waren. Also sie haben das sehr dediziert gemacht, dass es für diese ganzen Themen, die sie da abdecken wollen. Es gab einen Track für Gaming, es gab einen Track für VR, AR, bla bla bla. Es gab einen Track für Security, einen Track für oder 2 Tracks für Swift et cetera et cetera und dadurch war halt nicht immer überall voll, weil sie da halt wirklich nur diese Art von Content platzieren wollten, aber dadurch, dass der CityCube halt diese vielen Räume hat, kannst Du sie halt erlauben, Tracks quasi durchgehend zu blockieren, auch wenn Du sie nicht immer bespielst. Mhm. Ja, okay. Ich weiß auch nicht, ob ich 'n großer Freund davon irgendwie bin, weil wenn Du jetzt nur wegen ein, 2 Themen kommst, sitzt Du halt 3 Tage gefühlt im selben Raum. Ne, wenn ich wenn ich jetzt aus Gaming Perspektive da hinkomm, dann bin ich vielleicht bei bei Gaming und bei VR und vielleicht noch einmal in der Security Session oder so, weil sie mich son bisschen tangiert. Aber es es passiert dich halt nicht son bisschen, das ganze Gelände anzuschauen und mal durch die Export zu laufen und die anderen Tracks und so. Aber es macht's halt komfortabel, weil Du immer weißt, wo Du hin musst. Ja. Ja. Und Du musst nicht zwangsweise immer übers komplette Messegelände laufen. Ja, ja. Was wir auch bei der Wear Developers oder bei der Google Clutnik gemacht hatten, wo Du wirklich so 10, 15 Minuten einplanen musst, einfach zu 'nem Talk zu kommen. Also wirklich diese Zeit da brauchst, ja. Okay. Gut. Du hast ja schon gesagt, Du Du hast selbst versucht son bisschen einfach Themen für dich oder für uns zu suchen. Wie ist denn so die Orgel außen rum? War es einfach für dich, die Talks zu finden? Also gibt's eine App? Gibt's eine Webseite? Wie ist die Agenda aufgeteilt? Ich mein, Du bist bei 24 Tracks für das ja irgendwie auch schon schwierig. Gibt's tolle AI Chat Bots, die dir sagen, hey, nein, es gibt keinen tollen, ich hab mir selber einen tollen, also ich hab Cloud im Browser einfach genommen, weil die Agenda gab's im Browser und in der App. Was ich immer schade finde, ist, wenn es Konferenzapps gibt mit Agenda drin und dann keine Kalenderintegration, Mhm. Gibt, weil ich während Konferenzen eigentlich immer lieber meinen Kalender benutze als irgendwie in die App und dann 3 Tapps weiter und wo muss irgendwie hin? Deswegen übertreib ich's immer in meinen Kalender. Das haben sie da nicht gemacht. Du konntest so Sessions highlighten für dich in der Web App, aber das war dann halt einfach nur im Browser. Das hab ich einmal gemacht, weil es war halt schon 'n großer Skaton, ne. So 24 Tracks irgendwie parallel, da musst Du's schon viel durchscrollen über 3 Tage war auch ordentlich Auswahl. Und dann hab ich das halt geheiltet und dann hab ich am Ende klar gesagt, okay, jetzt guck mir alles an, was ich so geheiltet hab und übertrag mir das bitte in meinen Kalender rein, was natürlich auch das Problem mitbringt, dass, glaub ich, bei mindestens einem Fall so war, dass sie noch mal was an der Agenda geändert hatten und irgendwie Sessions getauscht hatten und dass dann halt meinen Kalender nicht mitgekriegt hat. Aber ja. Mhm. Und gab's eine fixe Session länger? Also wie lang waren Vorträge? Es gab 20 Minuten, 45 Minuten und die Keynotes eine Stunde, wobei die Keynotes immer son bisschen bisschen später angefangen haben, bisschen Q und A, also der Vortrag war auch nicht ultralang, ja, so die Formate. Ich muss sagen, ich hab als ich war Anfang des Jahres in London auf 'ner Konferenz und die hatten auch so dieses 20 Minuten Format. Ich bin da, glaub ich, kein Freund von, das ist mir zu kurz und es gibt mir zu wenig Content und wenn ich dann noch irgendwie am Ende 'n paar Fragen haben will, dann hab ich eigentlich nur son 15 Minuten Lightning Impulsvortrag so und dafür dann viel Geld zu zahlen. Also die Tickets, da liegen, glaube ich, im regulären Verkauf ohne Early Barte und so weit bei 500 Euro. Mhm. Auch nicht so günstig. Ja, für 3 Tage. Aber ohne Catering und alles. Aha. Ja, da können wir auch gleich noch mal drüber sprechen. Ja, ja. Dann dann würde ich mir schon mehr Tiefe irgendwie auch wünschen, ja. Ja. Ja und das sorgt halt auch dafür, dass ich am Ende von sonem Tag dadurch, dass manche sehr kurz waren, schon in 8 unterschiedlichen Talks gesessen hab und das ist halt auch schon hartes Programm irgendwie. Also da bist Du dann auch mental son bisschen durch, viele Kontext hältst, viele neue Themen, bla. Das ist, glaube ich, mit, wenn man so 5, 6 längere Sessions macht, glaube ich angenehmer. Gab es eine übergreifende Keynote? Nein, es gab in mehreren der Tracks gleichzeitig Keynotes. Okay. Was ja vielleicht auch Sinn macht, weil wenn Du jetzt irgendwie Mobile Developer bist, interessiert die Keynote aus dem Security Bereich vielleicht weniger oder die aus dem Gaming Bereich oder so. Ja, gab's eine gemeinsame Begrüßung? Es gab in allen Tracks vor der Keynote denselben 5 Minuten Einspieler oder so mit, hey, schön, dass ihr da seid, das ist unser Format, deshalb machen wir das hier. Mhm. Okay, et cetera, et cetera. Okay. War auch schön produziert, aber da hab ich mir auch gedacht, das hätte man auch live machen können und einfach in die anderen Bäume reinstreamen. Wär vielleicht 'n bisschen persönlicher noch gewesen. Mhm. Noch will ich nicht aufs Catering gehen. Ja, was kann man noch beurteilen? Qualität? Ich mein, muss man ja auch zugeben, Du warst jetzt alleine dort, so also aus unserem Space alleine dort und bei 24 Tracks und 3 Tagen hast Du wahrscheinlich einen kleinen Prozentsatz der Talks gesehen. Wie hat dir die Qualität gefallen der Talks, die Du gesehen hast? Es waren ein paar sehr, sehr gute Talks dabei, wo wir auch die Speaker direkt hier jetzt mal so abgegriffen haben und mit denen noch zukünftig 'n paar Folgen aufnehmen werden. Das waren wie bei jeder Konferenz auch immer 'n paar Nieten dabei, wo man sich denkt, dieser Talk hätte ein Blogpost sein können oder eine E-Mail oder keine Ahnung was. Aber im Schnitt bin ich, glaub ich, eher positiv als negativ ausgegangen. Also ich war auch schon auf Veranstaltungen, wo ich mir denk, so, hier ist es echt schwer, son Goldstück zu finden und das war dann nicht. Okay. Hast Du andere mitbekommen? Also wie zufrieden die Leute waren so mit Vorträgen? Es haben sich 'n paar Leute darüber echauffiert, dass einige der Talks deutliches Sponsoring placement waren. Mhm. Das gibt's ja öfter auf großen Veranstaltungen. Du kaufst irgendwie 'n 'n Buch, 'n Ausstellungsfläche und kriegst dann irgendwie 'n Talk Slot noch dazu. Die Talks, bei denen ich das gesehen hab, waren zum einen immer nur diese 20 Minuten Talks, wo's dann auch ehrlicherweise nicht ganz so schlimm ist. Und wenn man sich eine Talkbeschreibung durchliest, finde ich, zumindest erkennt man das auch immer, also man weiß, worauf man sich so einlässt. Und ehrlicherweise waren die Talks, bei denen ich das gesehen hab, auch, also ich mein, es waren zwar Product Pitches, aber es war fair. Es war technisch über das Produkt gesprochen. Es war, wie kann es dir helfen? Es war kein Sales Pitch. Das war 'n Ingenieur vorne, der irgendwie drüber gesprochen hat und dann find ich das auch okay. Du bist ja 'n großer Verfechter, natürlich spontan, davon zu sagen, es braucht all diese Themen noch in der Zukunft und wir werden uns auch weiter noch über Frameworks und einzelne Teile unterhalten. Es gab ja wahrscheinlich auch irgendwie, gab's 'n dedizierten AI Track? Hast Du doch noch gesagt? 2 2 Track Tracks. Die, den sie Gentic Coding genannt haben, weil's ja schon mehr Developer Fokus ist. Ja. Nicht nur irgendwie generisch AI Und da hat man auch wieder gesehen, also ich glaub generell bei der Konferenz hat man gesehen oder vielleicht würde man das bei allen Veranstaltungen grade sehen, dass sich so 2 Lager bilden und gar nicht mal unbedingt groß verfeindet oder so was, sondern einfach gefühlt leben die Leute in 2 Realitäten. Mhm. So, die eine ist unsere Realität, worüber wir auch in den letzten paar Folgen hier immer wieder gesprochen haben, ja, irgendwie superviel Agentic Engineering, wenig Hand anlegen selber beim Coden, immer weniger auch selber die Review dafür machen, immer mehr Onboarding von, ich sag mal, developerfremden Menschen, die auch direkt am Produkt mitarbeiten können mit AI. Und die anderen sind in 1 Realität, wo das einfach nicht so ist, ne. Die nutzen vielleicht Coding Agent oder 'n Chatbot oder so was für Code Compleetion oder irgendwie 'n Problem zu lösen, so wie wir früher Stack Overflow genutzt haben, aber die leben einfach nicht in dieser Gentic Engineering Welt. Entweder weil sie nicht dürfen, weil sie nicht können, weil sie das Geld dafür nicht haben. Es kann ganz unterschiedliche Gründe haben, aber ich glaube, das war ganz interessant zu sehen, wieso außerhalb von unserer Bubble das irgendwie noch funktioniert Und dass es sehr viele, auch teilweise sehr große Firmen gibt, die legitim und da kann man dann drüber streiten, aber die legitime Gründe haben, das jetzt grade nicht so zu machen. Mhm. Und deshalb glaube ich, wird für viele mehr Menschen, als wir manchmal so glauben, dieses klassische Konferenzaustausch Weiterbildungsformat noch sehr lange sehr relevant sein. Und ich weiß ehrlicherweise nicht, ob sich das über Zeit von selbst löst oder ob's da einfach Leute und kritische Infrastruktur gibt, wo Menschen sagen, so, wir wollen das halt aus Prinzip nicht. Muss man, glaube ich, abwarten, ob's da noch mal son Kulturwandel durchzieht, ja? Ja. Ja. Oder ob, weiß ich nicht, auch Firmen wie, oh, ich weiß nicht, darf man jetzt hier darf man jetzt hier was nennen? Also ich hab mit mit Developmentern von großen deutschen Mittelständdern gesprochen, die halt einfach Angst haben. Nein, darfst Du die nennen. Okay, da waren Leute von, ich sag mal Firmen, so Größenordnung Bosch, ja, die ja auch große IT haben, die nicht nur irgendwie Akkuschrauber und so was herstellen und die hat auch gesagt, okay, die haben halt teilweise Sorge, Coding Adons zu nutzen, weil sie niemandem zutrauen, ihren Quelltext irgendwie an andere Server zu geben, weil da halt viele Patente und Firmengeheimnisse und bla bla drin sind. Was ja auch ehrlicherweise alles so Probleme sind, die wir hier nicht haben im Gaming Space. Ja. Oder Leute aus der Verteidigungsbranche, die halt auch gesagt haben, okay, das ist halt, wir haben ganz strenge Anforderungen an Supply Chain Management und wir können nicht das Zeug einfach irgendwohin pusten und ja. Und vielleicht müssen dann diese AI Anbieter irgendwie gesichertere Lösungen für sowas auch anbieten und entwickeln, aber auch da ist es, glaube ich, sone Vertrauens- und Kulturfrage, ne, also genauso wie ja AWS und Azure und sowas auch alles schon gesichertes Hosting in Europa anbieten und bla und trotzdem ist ja immer noch eine gewisse Skepsis gegen amerikanische Cloud Anbieter und vielleicht wird das auch bei AI irgendwie so bleiben. Joa, aber ich mein, dann kannst Du auch deine Lokalmodelle nutzen. Die sind da nicht so gut, aber da kommst Du ja mittlerweile auch relativ Ja, vielleicht ist auch das die Antwort und es gab auch 'n coolen Vortrag über lokale Coding Agents mit GLM, so, ja? Die scheinen ja auch irgendwie mittlerweile ganz gut zu sein. Dann ist halt eher so die Sache, Du brauchst halt schon auch ordentliche Hardware dafür und auch da leben wir wieder in der Bubble. Ich mein, wir haben hier alle irgendwie 6000 Dollar MAX rumstehen so mit 100 Gigabyte RAM und so, das ist alles kein Problem. Aber auch da, wenn Du über son Konferenzflur läufst, da sitzen halt auch Leute mit sonem Dell HP, keine Ahnung, 16 Gigabyte RAM und das ist dann halt ehrlicherweise noch mal eine andere Größenordnung. Ja, klar. Und ich frage, ich hab gerade mal der Gedanke, ob sogar Konferenzen tendenziell in dieser Übergangsphase eher noch Leute aus der, wie nennt man das? Ich mein, möchte nicht Old School oder traditionell oder Nee, traditionell, klassisch finde ich schon, okay. Aus der aus aus aus der klassischen Welt dorthin zieht, weil das Sachen sind, die natürlich trotzdem bei großen Unternehmen auch etabliert sind, also zu Konferenzen irgendwie. Nee, es gibt das Budget, kann's da hinfragen. Da kannste hinfahren so und da frage ich mich, ob das vielleicht trotz, also ob das 'n bisschen auch korrigiert, dass da noch besonders viele Ja. Sind und vielleicht gerade die, die jetzt total abgefahren irgendwelche Sachen, Gentic Engineering machen, vielleicht grad auch gar nicht auf dann eine Konferenz diese Art fahren am aktuellen Umfeld. Und deshalb fand ich's cool, dass sie einfach son Aggenting Engineering Track hatten in der ganzen Konferenz, das so rum und nicht einfach gesagt haben, wir machen jetzt nur noch AI wie irgendwie so so viele andere, was es halt genau das ermöglicht, ne. Du kannst als Anführungszeichen normaler Entwickler da hingehen und dir einfach gucken, was ist halt irgendwie so möglich? Und dies in diesem Agentic Engineering Check war tatsächlich eine sehr große Bandbreite abgebildet, hin zu, hey, was ist überhaupt 'n Handel und wie funktioniert das und was macht das für dich und wie kannst Du's irgendwie tweaken? Also ich sag mal so Level 1 so vielleicht, da son bisschen mehr als sein Coding Chatbot irgendwie zu nehmen. Hin zu, wir haben hier sone komplette Softwarefactory gebaut, das ist unser Workflow, so haben wir irgendwie verschiedene Agent Rollen da reingebracht. So nutzen wir das jetzt. Das sind auch so die Kosten und die Komplexität, die damit einhergeht. Ja. Das war schon sehr breit aufgestellt, ja? Hin zu auch so diesen Metathemen drum rum, wie machen wir Knowledge Management über unsere Software? Ja, ist ja auch Themen, die man sich hier schon anguckt damit. Wir haben hier irgendwie Wikis, die von Agents gepflegt werden oder wir haben mehr Code Dokumentation im Repository, was dem Agent irgendwie noch mehr Kontext geben kann und so was. Also da muss ich zugeben, war ich positiv überrascht, wie progressiv dann da doch vieles war. Ich hab mit deutlich mehr Talks gerechnet aller, hey, was ist ein Hannes und wie funktioniert das und wie kannst Du's irgendwie nutzen, aber es war schon viel mehr vorne dran auch dabei. Ja, ich denke auch nicht. Also meine persönliche Meinung, ich ist nicht, dass irgendwie ich das Gefühl habe, dieses Konferenzen aussterben. Also für mich ist das weiterhin ein 1 super gutes Mittel, sich irgendwie mit der Community auszutauschen. Ich gehe natürlich davon aus, dass sich dieses Thema immer weiter zu dann diesen Problemen hinschiebt und egal, wo wir sie dann definieren, ob's dann mehr das Produkt ist oder die Idee oder wo auch immer, es weiterhin geht, aber dass es schon sinnvoll ist, über seine eigene Bubble hinauszugucken und sich mit anderem auszutauschen und den Austausch zu pflegen. So und das ist, glaube ich, das ist nicht das 1., was ich denke, was ausstirbt mit AI, dass dass der Austausch sich nicht mehr mehrwertig anfühlt. Ja, also grade dieser dieser Beispiel Talk über so Softwarefactory Pattern und so raus, der zeigt ja, dass selbst wenn Du in sonem vollautomatisierten Setting drin bist, es immer noch Bedarf gibt, darüber zu sprechen, okay, wie setzen wir das auf? Was haben wir daraus gelernt? Was könnt ihr übernehmen? Was müsst ihr für euch selber aber irgendwie auch entdecken? Ja. Und ich kann mir auch vorstellen, dass einfach in 2, 3 Jahren das einfach so die der der Talks sein werden, ja? Und dann die Leute halt nur noch darüber sprechen, okay, wie orchestrieren sie halt hier eigentlich am Ende ihre ihre ganze AI und was kommt irgendwie drauf rum? Es gab sehr viele Talks tatsächlich schon in diesem AI Kontext, die so Quality Gateways ging, also wie kannst Du deinen Agents oder wie kannst Du Agents dafür nutzen, Tests zu automatisieren, Test Cases zu discovern, selber zu beheben dann und so was, ja? Wo ich denk, okay, da sind schon viele irgendwie in der richtigen Richtung unterwegs. Und wenn ich's mir vorstelle, in ein, 2 Jahren mit denselben Leuten noch mal in sonem Rahmen zu sprechen, wär ich zumindest supergespannt, was die mir dann zu erzählen haben. Ja. Was war der beste Talk, den Du gesehen hast? Entweder 1 von diesen Factory Pattern Talks, weil das tatsächlich bei mir das 1. Mal so war, dass ich da gesessen hab, gedacht, okay, wir müssen grundlegend darüber nachdenken, wie sich unsere Rolle ändert hin zu so Systemarchitekten und zwar nicht Systemarchitekten im Sinne deine App als Systemlandschaft, sondern dieses System, was Software irgendwie baut, ja? Wo wir bei uns ja auch grade schon son bisschen da drüber nachdenken sind, aber jeder eigentlich grade noch so sein eigenes Süppchen, ne, also jeder einzelne Developer tatsächlich da grade noch so dran und wir noch nicht so dieses eine übergreifende System für die ganze Firma oder auch nur ein Team irgendwie gefunden haben. Ich glaube, das ist sone Ebene, die kommt so mit der und das fand ich irgendwie son Aha Moment für mich. Und der andere Talk und da kann man vielleicht vorweggreifen, dann werden wir noch 'n Deep Dive zu machen. Das war 'n sehr cooler Talk, den ich gesehen hab zu Clean Code in Zeiten von der AI und Du wirst dich erinnern, wir hatten hier intern schon mal sone ähnliche Diskussion, ist das überhaupt noch relevant und brauchen wir das? Und gefühlt haben wir intern damals diese Debatte sehr emotional geführt so. Man man hängt da dran oder man will das endlich loswerden und ey, ah, ja, löst uns irgendwie davon. Und das war der 1. Talk, den ich gesehen hab oder das 1. Mal, dass ich jemand da auch mit auseinandergesetzt hab, auf soner sehr faktischen Ebene. Okay, diese Sachen, die es in geht, würden die einem Agent tatsächlich nutzen und wenn ja, warum oder warum nicht? Und welche Regeln muss man verwerfen? Welche muss man vielleicht neu dazu nehmen? Welche muss man vielleicht auch anpassen fürn Agent? Und das fand ich sehr pragmatisch, sehr highbefreit und trotzdem sehr, wie sagt man so, Software Crafty, ne? Also es gibt irgendwie wenige dieser Craft Momente in AI Zeiten und das fand ich son Coolen davon. Mhm. Und das werden wir auf jeden Fall noch mal aufgreifen. Cool. Und ich merk ganz kurz. Ja. Ich glaub, wir haben in der Folge über die Google Cloud Next auch darüber gesprochen, wie sehr ich es hasse, wenn Leute so AI generierte Slides verwenden, weil die für mich gefühlt alle gleich aussehen. Und es gab auch einen Talk, der das sehr intensiv gemacht hat, ehrlicherweise mit 'nem schönen Arztleu, da war's nicht ganz so schlimm und der hat am Ende was gemacht, was jetzt mein Requirement an alle AI Slide Talks ist. Der hat nämlich am Ende seine Outros gezeigt, so welche komischen Slides wurden generiert und die halt einfach komplett Banane ausgesehen haben und das war noch mal son ganz lustiger Moment am Ende vorm Talk und ich würde empfehlen, wenn ihr eure Slides KI generieren lasst und das ab und zu in die Hose geht, nehmt ihr einfach mit und wenn am Ende keine Fragen kommen, ist es ganz lustig, da noch mal drüber zu schauen. Und falls ihr eure Slides noch nicht mit KI generieren, was solltet ihr euch noch mal deutlich hinterfragen? Das weiß ich nicht, ob ich das so blank unterschreiben würde, aber ja, vielleicht alle alle diese Talks von der der Konferenz und auch von den letzten Jahren sind auch auf Youtube, also noch nicht alle, weil jetzt ist es grad mal eine Woche her, aber die veröffentlichen die auch über Zeit oder und da sind 'n paar echt coole dabei, verlinken wir dann noch. Bei der Programmiercon kommen sie instant. Das sagst Du Auch jetzt letzte Mal haben sie, glaube ich, 'n halbes Jahr gebraucht, aber okay, ihr habt's ihr gehört. Ja, das sind die Vibe Coding Eindrücke von gestern Nacht. Gut, Rahmenbedingungen. So, Du hast schon hier im Slack Channel, was ihr Bedürfnis war anscheinend, hattest Du schon ein 1 Foto geteilt und zwar von 1 Speisekarte. Ja, also man geht ja auf diese Veranstaltung auch, wenn man eine eigene Konferenz hostet, so wie wir son bisschen, zu gucken, okay, was was machen die anderen? So. Ja. Und uns war das ja immer sehr wichtig, dass bei uns Catering mit dabei ist und ehrlicherweise auch 'n sehr gehobenes Catering, aber das muss ja gar nicht immer der Anspruch sein. Hauptsache, das ist irgendwie was da. Und ich find das auch sehr wichtig, weil das für mich tatsächlich während soner Konferenz ein Mental Load Punkt ist, den ich abhaken kann. Ich muss nicht gucken, wo geh ich hier aus der Messe raus, wo geh ich hin, bla, sondern ich geh einfach rein, krieg im Zweifelsfall auch schon das eine Essen, was's halt irgendwie gibt oder die Auswahl aus 2 oder keine Ahnung was. Kann mir das nehmen, fertig, bla. Kosten sind gar nicht mal so das Hauptargument. Das ist vielleicht auch 'n Argument, ja, aber ich mein, für die allermeisten Leute zahlt es ja dann der Arbeitgeber und das ist vielleicht ärgerlich, aber es tut dir persönlich nicht weh. Aber persönlich stört mich so dieser dieser Moment viel mehr. So. Letztes Jahr, als bei der war, gab es da Catering. So, mit derselben Erwartungshaltung bin ich da auch wieder hin. Mhm. Bis ich dann gesehen hab, es gibt kein Catering mehr. Es gibt keinen Kaffee mehr. Es gibt gar nichts mehr. Es gibt jetzt nur noch Foodtrucks, die draußen im Hof stehen und da kannst Du dich bedienen. Und wenn dann mehrere 1000 Leute zur selben Zeit auf ein paar wenige Foodtrucks einstürmen, ist das natürlich auch 'n Skalierungsproblem, womit ein Caterer, der genau weiß, dass er irgendwie alleine 2000 Leute versorgen muss, vielleicht deutlich besser umgehen kann als diese paar Food Trucks. Und da kommen natürlich noch dazu, dass die Preise auch jetzt nicht grade günstig waren. Also dieses Foto, was's geschickt hatte Wird es extra noch mal rausgehört. Von dem einen stand rausgehört. Wenn Du ein Wasser mit 1 Brezel haben wolltest, warst Du bei, ich glaub, 9 Euro 80 oder 9 Euro 60, keine Ahnung so. Auf alle knappen Zehner, sag ich mal. Und das denke ich mir, wenn dein Ticket schon 500 Euro kostet, da könnt man son bisschen was drauflegen, so. Sie hatten son paar Wasserspender überall aufm Gelände verteilt, manchmal war da auch noch was drin, manchmal waren sie leer. Ja, ja. Tee Weiß nicht. Eine Tasse Tee 4 Euro. Ja, das ist halt 'n heißes Wasser. Also ich mein, das... Aber ich fahr noch den ich mochte den Kommentar von von Grisha, die dieses Catering Unternehmen heißt ja tatsächlich Capital Catering, so sich Kapital drauf zu schaffen. Ich glaub, das kommt, weil das so Capital Catering, also weil das in Berlin Hauptstadtmäßig und so ist. Aber ja. Kannst auch anders interpretieren. Ja. Ja, okay. Ja, steile Preise auf jeden Fall. Ich hab für meine Currywurst bei Mittagessen gab's son Angebot Currywurst mit Pommes und Getränk 15 Euro. Das also für Messepreise eigentlich halt okay, aber für eine Konferenz, die letztes Jahr Catering mithatte und jetzt nicht mehr und es auch nirgendwo vorher kommuniziert wurde. Mhm. So. Ärgerlich. 1 von den paar wenigen Punkten, wo ich mir denk, da haben sie sich eigentlich nur selber irgendwie wehgetan, ja? Das hätte man, wenn man das besser kommuniziert hätte, wenn man das 'n bisschen besser strukturiert hätte, da gibt's so ein, 2 Punkte generell bei dem Event, wo ich mir denk, ja, inhaltlich sind sie, glaub ich, auf dem auf dem richtigen Weg, aber eventhandwerksmäßig fehlt da manchmal noch, sone Kleinigkeit. Dein größter Kritikpunkt? Ja, wie gesagt, ich glaub so das, was da am Eventhandwerk noch fehlt, das sind zum Beispiel über die 3 Tage war ich zweimal in Sessions gesessen, die einfach nicht stattgefunden haben. Mhm. Und beim ersten Mal kam auch einfach niemand, zu sagen, hier, das fällt aus oder das war keine Nacht am Screen. Wir saßen dann alle da so 15 Minuten lang und dann haben die Leute angefangen, sich so anzugucken und gehen wir jetzt einfach oder was was machen wir jetzt hier? Und das war natürlich so lange, dass ich dann auch es nicht mehr gehört hatte, irgendwo anders reinzugehen. Und das war halt irgendwie eine verschenkte Zeit, wo ich mir dann, okay, wenn sie von Anfang an gesagt hätten, der fällt aus, Du bleibst, ja immer mal passieren, Leute werden krank, ne, Live Happons, dann kann man woanders hingehen, dann wär das kein Beibruch, aber dich halt so lange da irgendwie warten zu lassen. Und das ist wohl tatsächlich in mehreren Tracks passiert, hab ich mir von Leuten sagen lassen, das muss halt einfach nicht sein so. Ja, wo ich mir denk, das das hätte man einfach besser lösen können, dann wären alle Leute irgendwie glücklicher gewesen. Ja, so, das und mit dem mit dem Catering zusammen, das sind eigentlich so meine meine größten Kritikpunkte. Jetzt hast Du gesagt, es gibt 'n Termin schon nächstes Jahr, das heißt, es scheint wirtschaftlich erfolgreich genug zu sein, das Ganze vorzuführen. Ja, also ich so spalt jetzt immer in meinem Catering und der Marge und ich hab mir auch sagen lassen, weil ich mir wirklich hatte, na ja, die haben jetzt diese vielen mehr Tracks und so was, ja. Und ich hab mir jemanden besprochen, der wohl auch da schon mal Events organisiert hat im im City Cube und das ist wohl preislich gar nicht so der große Hebel, ob Du uns irgendwie 2, 3 Räume mehr bestohlen lässt oder nicht, sondern dann hast Du halt den City Cube und dann hast Du den City Cube so Und von daher haben sie jetzt gefühlt zu der im Vergleich zur letzten Jahr deutlich mehr Menschen reinbekommen bei 'nem ähnlichen Preis ohne Catering, also wird sich schon irgendwie rentiert haben. Die Ausstellerhalle war auch deutlich größer gefüllt Mhm. Dieses Jahr, wo bestimmt auch nicht wenig Geld gelassen wird, da seinen seinen Stand zu bekommen. Ich hab da mal son bisschen nachgefragt. Mhm. Ja, also ich glaub, dafür wird das werden wir noch länger sehen, das Event. Sehr gut. Und ist auch international besucht, was ja auch nicht 'n Selbstschlaf ist. Sind die Tracks Englisch? Ja. Alle? Ja. Okay. Alles klar. Dann vielen Dank für diese Einblicke zur Next App Devcon. Das ist genauso wie es heißt. Kurz mal schauen, wie wir's demnächst hier noch mal anders heißt. Wir haben zumindest die, wie sagt man, die die Punktuierung geändert. Das war, als wir das angekündigt haben, letztes Jahr war es irgendwie so ein Wort und jetzt ist es, glaube ich, next App Punkt Devcon oder also weiß nicht, das ändert sich schon noch mal. Ich weiß nicht, wir müssen die Shownotes schreiben. Ich muss noch mal nachschauen. Sehr gut. Alles klar. Ja, wenn ihr noch weitere Fragen habt, könnt ihr natürlich Jan gerne schreiben, unter anderem als Jan at Programmier Punkt Bar oder Ja. Was ich empfehlen wollte, ob ich irgendwie andere... Nein, oder natürlich auch über unser Kontaktformular auf der Webseite, genauso wenn ihr anderes Feedback habt, könnt ihr erst darüber schreiben. Wir können auch gerne auf unseren Discord Server quatschen. Die Jan antwortet auch über Spotify Kommentare. Ich antworte überall. Wenn die Kommentare nett sind, die beantwortet werden, dann war's meistens Vanessa, wenn's son bisschen Sessy, Sarkastisches, dann kamen sie meistens Das funktioniert. Sehr gut. Ja, vielen Dank für die Einblicke und bis zur nächsten Konferenz. Yes, das ist unsere. Dann bis zur nächsten Premicon. 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0: Hallo und herzlich willkommen zu 1 neuen programmierbare Folge, einem Special über eine Konferenz und zwar reden wir heute über die Next App DeCon.\n\nSpeaker 1: Das ist Richtig.\n\nSpeaker 0: Jetzt hab ich auch wirklich nicht richtig gemacht. Ich bin Dennis Becker und mir gegenüber sitzt...\n\nSpeaker 1: Jan Gregor im Getriebe. Moin moin. Genau.\n\nSpeaker 0: Und Jan, Du warst nämlich auf dieser Konferenz und kannst ein bisschen was darüber berichten.\n\nSpeaker 1: Yes und vielleicht für alle da draußen, die jetzt denken, was ist denn die Next App TevCon? Das hab ich irgendwie noch nie gehört. Ja. Das ist richtig? Weil ich hieß früher anders, die hieß schon mehrfach anders.\n\nGanz früher war es die, dann ist das so und zusammen geworden. Und dieses Jahr haben sie sich erstmals noch breiter aufgestellt mit ganz viel Tracks zu Web und anderen Themen können wir gleich noch drüber sprechen. Deshalb haben sie jetzt gesagt so, okay, wir kommen aus diesem App Space, deshalb so next App, aber wir machen auch so generisch deff für alle, deshalb next App, deff con. Ist würd da auch noch mal drüber nachdenken, nur über den Namen, aber so ist es jetzt. Okay.\n\nSpeaker 0: Das heißt, würdest Du schon, hat's trotzdem noch sonen, ah nee, Du hast gerade gesagt, Web ist auch dabei. Also, App heißt nicht ausschließlich so Native iOS Android, sondern nee, also ich würde\n\nSpeaker 1: sagen, der allergrößte Teil der Besucherin war schon so Mobile Developer, weil da kommen sie halt her, da haben sie eine große Crowd, ne, die kommen ja auch alle irgendwie wieder. Aber dadurch, dass sie auch Tracks zu React, zu Cross Plattform Frameworks, zu für Gentic, für Spiele, für bla, haben war's schon auch 'n sehr gemischtes Publikum. Okay.\n\nSpeaker 0: 1 bis 10. Kann ich zählen, ja. Wie begeistert warst Du am\n\nSpeaker 1: Ende? Boah, ich weiß nicht, ob ich der Richtige bin, das zu beantworten. Ja okay, ich versteh, was Du meinst oder warum die Frage wichtig ist. Ich würde sagen, sone 7 bis 8 mit vielleicht sonem kleinen bisschen Salz obendrauf, weil ich ja quasi von Berufs wegen begeistert sein muss, wenn ich da hinfahr. Mhm.\n\nWeil also ich bin ja da, Content zu finden, so coole Speaker zu finden, coole Themen zu finden. Deswegen und es liegt auch so in meiner Natur der Sache, dass ich mich generell für Sachen begeistern kann, also ist für mich vielleicht einfacher. Wenn ich jetzt hauptberuflich nur Mobile App Development machen würde oder nur Web Development oder nur Game Development, dann wär's vielleicht eher sone 6 bis 7 so, aber ja.\n\nSpeaker 0: Okay. Dann noch mal 'n paar Fakten.\n\nSpeaker 1: Weiß nicht,\n\nSpeaker 0: wie viele Du davon kennst. Wann hat sich stattgefunden? Fakten Fakten, Fokuswerbung war das früher, gell?\n\nSpeaker 1: Fakten. Fakten. Ja, ja. Stattgefunden vom siebten bis neunten Oktober und nächstes Jahr ist es auch wieder so den Dreh.\n\nSpeaker 0: Okay,\n\nSpeaker 1: in Berlin CityCube Messe mit Wie vielen Menschen? 24 Tracks hab ich mir aufgeschrieben. Okay, 24 Tracks. Menschen, ich hab noch mal nachgedacht, ich hab keine Zahlen gefunden. Ich würde vermuten, es waren son paar 1000.\n\nSpeaker 0: Okay, 24 Tracks hast Du gesagt?\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, die aber nicht immer alle zu jeder Zeit vollgeführt waren. Also sie haben das sehr dediziert gemacht, dass es für diese ganzen Themen, die sie da abdecken wollen. Es gab einen Track für Gaming, es gab einen Track für VR, AR, bla bla bla. Es gab einen Track für Security, einen Track für oder 2 Tracks für Swift et cetera et cetera und dadurch war halt nicht immer überall voll, weil sie da halt wirklich nur diese Art von Content platzieren wollten, aber dadurch, dass der CityCube halt diese vielen Räume hat, kannst Du sie halt erlauben, Tracks quasi durchgehend zu blockieren, auch wenn Du sie nicht immer bespielst. Mhm.\n\nJa, okay. Ich weiß auch nicht, ob ich 'n großer Freund davon irgendwie bin, weil wenn Du jetzt nur wegen ein, 2 Themen kommst, sitzt Du halt 3 Tage gefühlt im selben Raum. Ne, wenn ich wenn ich jetzt aus Gaming Perspektive da hinkomm, dann bin ich vielleicht bei bei Gaming und bei VR und vielleicht noch einmal in der Security Session oder so, weil sie mich son bisschen tangiert. Aber es es passiert dich halt nicht son bisschen, das ganze Gelände anzuschauen und mal durch die Export zu laufen und die anderen Tracks und so. Aber es macht's halt komfortabel, weil Du immer weißt, wo Du hin musst.\n\nJa.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja. Und Du musst nicht zwangsweise immer übers komplette Messegelände laufen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, ja. Was wir auch bei der Wear Developers oder bei der Google Clutnik gemacht hatten, wo Du wirklich so 10, 15 Minuten einplanen musst, einfach zu 'nem Talk zu kommen. Also wirklich diese Zeit da brauchst, ja.\n\nSpeaker 0: Okay. Gut. Du hast ja schon gesagt, Du Du hast selbst versucht son bisschen einfach Themen für dich oder für uns zu suchen. Wie ist denn so die Orgel außen rum? War es einfach für dich, die Talks zu finden?\n\nAlso gibt's eine App? Gibt's eine Webseite? Wie ist die Agenda aufgeteilt? Ich mein, Du bist bei 24 Tracks für das ja irgendwie auch schon schwierig. Gibt's tolle AI Chat Bots, die dir sagen, hey,\n\nSpeaker 1: nein, es gibt keinen tollen, ich hab mir selber einen tollen, also ich hab Cloud im Browser einfach genommen, weil die Agenda gab's im Browser und in der App. Was ich immer schade finde, ist, wenn es Konferenzapps gibt mit Agenda drin und dann keine Kalenderintegration,\n\nSpeaker 0: Mhm.\n\nSpeaker 1: Gibt, weil ich während Konferenzen eigentlich immer lieber meinen Kalender benutze als irgendwie in die App und dann 3 Tapps weiter und wo muss irgendwie hin? Deswegen übertreib ich's immer in meinen Kalender. Das haben sie da nicht gemacht. Du konntest so Sessions highlighten für dich in der Web App, aber das war dann halt einfach nur im Browser. Das hab ich einmal gemacht, weil es war halt schon 'n großer Skaton, ne.\n\nSo 24 Tracks irgendwie parallel, da musst Du's schon viel durchscrollen über 3 Tage war auch ordentlich Auswahl. Und dann hab ich das halt geheiltet und dann hab ich am Ende klar gesagt, okay, jetzt guck mir alles an, was ich so geheiltet hab und übertrag mir das bitte in meinen Kalender rein, was natürlich auch das Problem mitbringt, dass, glaub ich, bei mindestens einem Fall so war, dass sie noch mal was an der Agenda geändert hatten und irgendwie Sessions getauscht hatten und dass dann halt meinen Kalender nicht mitgekriegt hat. Aber ja.\n\nSpeaker 0: Mhm. Und gab's eine fixe Session länger? Also wie lang waren Vorträge?\n\nSpeaker 1: Es gab 20 Minuten, 45 Minuten und die Keynotes eine Stunde, wobei die Keynotes immer son bisschen bisschen später angefangen haben, bisschen Q und A, also der Vortrag war auch nicht ultralang, ja, so die Formate. Ich muss sagen, ich hab als ich war Anfang des Jahres in London auf 'ner Konferenz und die hatten auch so dieses 20 Minuten Format. Ich bin da, glaub ich, kein Freund von, das ist mir zu kurz und es gibt mir zu wenig Content und wenn ich dann noch irgendwie am Ende 'n paar Fragen haben will, dann hab ich eigentlich nur son 15 Minuten Lightning Impulsvortrag so und dafür dann viel Geld zu zahlen. Also die Tickets, da liegen, glaube ich, im regulären Verkauf ohne Early Barte und so weit bei 500 Euro. Mhm.\n\nAuch nicht so günstig. Ja, für 3 Tage. Aber ohne Catering und alles. Aha. Ja, da können wir auch gleich noch mal drüber sprechen.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja,\n\nSpeaker 1: ja. Dann dann würde ich mir schon mehr Tiefe irgendwie auch wünschen, ja. Ja. Ja und das sorgt halt auch dafür, dass ich am Ende von sonem Tag dadurch, dass manche sehr kurz waren, schon in 8 unterschiedlichen Talks gesessen hab und das ist halt auch schon hartes Programm irgendwie. Also da bist Du dann auch mental son bisschen durch, viele Kontext hältst, viele neue Themen, bla.\n\nDas ist, glaube ich, mit, wenn man so 5, 6 längere Sessions macht, glaube ich angenehmer.\n\nSpeaker 0: Gab es eine übergreifende Keynote?\n\nSpeaker 1: Nein, es gab in mehreren der Tracks gleichzeitig Keynotes. Okay. Was ja vielleicht auch Sinn macht, weil wenn Du jetzt irgendwie Mobile Developer bist, interessiert die Keynote aus dem Security Bereich vielleicht weniger oder die\n\nSpeaker 0: aus dem Gaming Bereich oder so. Ja, gab's eine gemeinsame Begrüßung?\n\nSpeaker 1: Es gab in allen Tracks vor der Keynote denselben 5 Minuten Einspieler oder so mit, hey, schön, dass ihr da seid, das ist unser Format, deshalb machen wir das hier. Mhm. Okay, et cetera, et cetera. Okay. War auch schön produziert, aber da hab ich mir auch gedacht, das hätte man auch live machen können und einfach in die anderen Bäume reinstreamen.\n\nWär vielleicht 'n bisschen persönlicher noch gewesen. Mhm.\n\nSpeaker 0: Noch will ich nicht aufs Catering gehen. Ja, was kann man noch beurteilen? Qualität? Ich mein, muss man ja auch zugeben, Du warst jetzt alleine dort, so also aus unserem Space alleine dort und bei 24 Tracks und 3 Tagen hast Du wahrscheinlich einen kleinen Prozentsatz der Talks gesehen. Wie hat dir die Qualität gefallen der Talks, die Du gesehen hast?\n\nSpeaker 1: Es waren ein paar sehr, sehr gute Talks dabei, wo wir auch die Speaker direkt hier jetzt mal so abgegriffen haben und mit denen noch zukünftig 'n paar Folgen aufnehmen werden. Das waren wie bei jeder Konferenz auch immer 'n paar Nieten dabei, wo man sich denkt, dieser Talk hätte ein Blogpost sein können oder eine E-Mail oder keine Ahnung was. Aber im Schnitt bin ich, glaub ich, eher positiv als negativ ausgegangen. Also ich war auch schon auf Veranstaltungen, wo ich mir denk, so, hier ist es echt schwer, son Goldstück zu finden und das war dann nicht.\n\nSpeaker 0: Okay. Hast Du andere mitbekommen? Also wie zufrieden die Leute waren so mit Vorträgen?\n\nSpeaker 1: Es haben sich 'n paar Leute darüber echauffiert, dass einige der Talks deutliches Sponsoring placement waren. Mhm. Das gibt's ja öfter auf großen Veranstaltungen. Du kaufst irgendwie 'n 'n Buch, 'n Ausstellungsfläche und kriegst dann irgendwie 'n Talk Slot noch dazu. Die Talks, bei denen ich das gesehen hab, waren zum einen immer nur diese 20 Minuten Talks, wo's dann auch ehrlicherweise nicht ganz so schlimm ist.\n\nUnd wenn man sich eine Talkbeschreibung durchliest, finde ich, zumindest erkennt man das auch immer, also man weiß, worauf man sich so einlässt. Und ehrlicherweise waren die Talks, bei denen ich das gesehen hab, auch, also ich mein, es waren zwar Product Pitches, aber es war fair. Es war technisch über das Produkt gesprochen. Es war, wie kann es dir helfen? Es war kein Sales Pitch.\n\nDas war 'n Ingenieur vorne, der irgendwie drüber gesprochen hat und dann find ich das auch okay.\n\nSpeaker 0: Du bist ja 'n großer Verfechter,\n\nSpeaker 1: natürlich spontan,\n\nSpeaker 0: davon zu sagen, es braucht all diese Themen noch in der Zukunft und wir werden uns auch weiter noch über Frameworks und einzelne Teile unterhalten. Es gab ja wahrscheinlich auch irgendwie, gab's 'n dedizierten AI Track? Hast Du\n\nSpeaker 1: doch noch gesagt? 2 2 Track Tracks. Die, den sie Gentic Coding genannt haben, weil's ja schon mehr Developer Fokus ist. Ja. Nicht nur irgendwie generisch AI Und da hat man auch wieder gesehen, also ich glaub generell bei der Konferenz hat man gesehen oder vielleicht würde man das bei allen Veranstaltungen grade sehen, dass sich so 2 Lager bilden und gar nicht mal unbedingt groß verfeindet oder so was, sondern einfach gefühlt leben die Leute in 2 Realitäten.\n\nSpeaker 0: Mhm.\n\nSpeaker 1: So, die eine ist unsere Realität, worüber wir auch in den letzten paar Folgen hier immer wieder gesprochen haben, ja, irgendwie superviel Agentic Engineering, wenig Hand anlegen selber beim Coden, immer weniger auch selber die Review dafür machen, immer mehr Onboarding von, ich sag mal, developerfremden Menschen, die auch direkt am Produkt mitarbeiten können mit AI. Und die anderen sind in 1 Realität, wo das einfach nicht so ist, ne. Die nutzen vielleicht Coding Agent oder 'n Chatbot oder so was für Code Compleetion oder irgendwie 'n Problem zu lösen, so wie wir früher Stack Overflow genutzt haben, aber die leben einfach nicht in dieser Gentic Engineering Welt. Entweder weil sie nicht dürfen, weil sie nicht können, weil sie das Geld dafür nicht haben. Es kann ganz unterschiedliche Gründe haben, aber ich glaube, das war ganz interessant zu sehen, wieso außerhalb von unserer Bubble das irgendwie noch funktioniert Und dass es sehr viele, auch teilweise sehr große Firmen gibt, die legitim und da kann man dann drüber streiten, aber die legitime Gründe haben, das jetzt grade nicht so zu machen.\n\nMhm. Und deshalb glaube ich, wird für viele mehr Menschen, als wir manchmal so glauben, dieses klassische Konferenzaustausch Weiterbildungsformat noch sehr lange sehr relevant sein. Und ich weiß ehrlicherweise nicht, ob sich das über Zeit von selbst löst oder ob's da einfach Leute und kritische Infrastruktur gibt, wo Menschen sagen, so, wir wollen das halt aus Prinzip nicht. Muss man, glaube ich, abwarten, ob's da noch mal son Kulturwandel durchzieht, ja? Ja.\n\nJa. Oder ob, weiß ich nicht, auch Firmen wie, oh, ich weiß nicht, darf man jetzt hier darf man jetzt hier was nennen? Also ich hab mit mit Developmentern von großen deutschen Mittelständdern gesprochen, die halt einfach Angst haben. Nein, darfst\n\nSpeaker 0: Du die nennen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Okay, da waren Leute von, ich sag mal Firmen, so Größenordnung Bosch, ja, die ja auch große IT haben, die nicht nur irgendwie Akkuschrauber und so was herstellen und die hat auch gesagt, okay, die haben halt teilweise Sorge, Coding Adons zu nutzen, weil sie niemandem zutrauen, ihren Quelltext irgendwie an andere Server zu geben, weil da halt viele Patente und Firmengeheimnisse und bla bla drin sind. Was ja auch ehrlicherweise alles so Probleme sind, die wir hier nicht haben im Gaming Space. Ja. Oder Leute aus der Verteidigungsbranche, die halt auch gesagt haben, okay, das ist halt, wir haben ganz strenge Anforderungen an Supply Chain Management und wir können nicht das Zeug einfach irgendwohin pusten und ja. Und vielleicht müssen dann diese AI Anbieter irgendwie gesichertere Lösungen für sowas auch anbieten und entwickeln, aber auch da ist es, glaube ich, sone Vertrauens- und Kulturfrage, ne, also genauso wie ja AWS und Azure und sowas auch alles schon gesichertes Hosting in Europa anbieten und bla und trotzdem ist ja immer noch eine gewisse Skepsis gegen amerikanische Cloud Anbieter und vielleicht wird\n\nSpeaker 0: das auch bei AI irgendwie so bleiben. Joa, aber ich mein, dann kannst Du auch deine Lokalmodelle nutzen. Die sind da nicht so gut, aber da kommst Du ja mittlerweile\n\nSpeaker 1: auch relativ Ja, vielleicht ist auch das die Antwort und es gab auch 'n coolen Vortrag über lokale Coding Agents mit GLM, so, ja? Die scheinen ja auch irgendwie mittlerweile ganz gut zu sein. Dann ist halt eher so die Sache, Du brauchst halt schon auch ordentliche Hardware dafür und auch da leben wir wieder in der Bubble. Ich mein, wir haben hier alle irgendwie 6000 Dollar MAX rumstehen so mit 100 Gigabyte RAM und so, das ist alles kein Problem. Aber auch da, wenn Du über son Konferenzflur läufst, da sitzen halt auch Leute mit sonem Dell HP, keine Ahnung, 16 Gigabyte RAM und das ist dann halt ehrlicherweise noch mal eine andere Größenordnung.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, klar. Und ich frage, ich hab gerade mal der Gedanke, ob sogar Konferenzen tendenziell in dieser Übergangsphase eher noch Leute aus der, wie nennt man das? Ich mein, möchte nicht Old School oder traditionell oder\n\nSpeaker 1: Nee, traditionell, klassisch finde ich schon, okay.\n\nSpeaker 0: Aus der aus aus aus der klassischen Welt dorthin zieht, weil das Sachen sind, die natürlich trotzdem bei großen Unternehmen auch etabliert sind, also zu Konferenzen irgendwie. Nee, es gibt das Budget, kann's da hinfragen. Da kannste hinfahren so und da frage ich mich, ob das vielleicht trotz, also ob das 'n bisschen auch korrigiert, dass da noch besonders viele Ja. Sind und vielleicht gerade die, die jetzt total abgefahren irgendwelche Sachen, Gentic Engineering machen, vielleicht grad auch gar nicht auf dann eine Konferenz diese Art fahren am aktuellen Umfeld.\n\nSpeaker 1: Und deshalb fand ich's cool, dass sie einfach son Aggenting Engineering Track hatten in der ganzen Konferenz, das so rum und nicht einfach gesagt haben, wir machen jetzt nur noch AI wie irgendwie so so viele andere, was es halt genau das ermöglicht, ne. Du kannst als Anführungszeichen normaler Entwickler da hingehen und dir einfach gucken, was ist halt irgendwie so möglich? Und dies in diesem Agentic Engineering Check war tatsächlich eine sehr große Bandbreite abgebildet, hin zu, hey, was ist überhaupt 'n Handel und wie funktioniert das und was macht das für dich und wie kannst Du's irgendwie tweaken? Also ich sag mal so Level 1 so vielleicht, da son bisschen mehr als sein Coding Chatbot irgendwie zu nehmen. Hin zu, wir haben hier sone komplette Softwarefactory gebaut, das ist unser Workflow, so haben wir irgendwie verschiedene Agent Rollen da reingebracht.\n\nSo nutzen wir das jetzt. Das sind auch so die Kosten und die Komplexität, die damit einhergeht. Ja. Das war schon sehr breit aufgestellt, ja? Hin zu auch so diesen Metathemen drum rum, wie machen wir Knowledge Management über unsere Software?\n\nJa, ist ja auch Themen, die man sich hier schon anguckt damit. Wir haben hier irgendwie Wikis, die von Agents gepflegt werden oder wir haben mehr Code Dokumentation im Repository, was dem Agent irgendwie noch mehr Kontext geben kann und so was. Also da muss ich zugeben, war ich positiv überrascht, wie progressiv dann da doch vieles war. Ich hab mit deutlich mehr Talks gerechnet aller, hey, was ist ein Hannes und wie funktioniert das und wie kannst Du's irgendwie nutzen, aber es war schon viel mehr vorne dran auch dabei.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, ich denke auch nicht. Also meine persönliche Meinung, ich ist nicht, dass irgendwie ich das Gefühl habe, dieses Konferenzen aussterben. Also für mich ist das weiterhin ein 1 super gutes Mittel, sich irgendwie mit der Community auszutauschen. Ich gehe natürlich davon aus, dass sich dieses Thema immer weiter zu dann diesen Problemen hinschiebt und egal, wo wir sie dann definieren, ob's dann mehr das Produkt ist oder die Idee oder wo auch immer, es weiterhin geht, aber dass es schon sinnvoll ist, über seine eigene Bubble hinauszugucken und sich mit anderem auszutauschen und den Austausch zu pflegen. So und das ist, glaube ich, das ist nicht das 1., was ich denke, was ausstirbt mit AI, dass dass der Austausch sich nicht mehr mehrwertig anfühlt.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, also grade dieser dieser Beispiel Talk über so Softwarefactory Pattern und so raus, der zeigt ja, dass selbst wenn Du in sonem vollautomatisierten Setting drin bist, es immer noch Bedarf gibt, darüber zu sprechen, okay, wie setzen wir das auf? Was haben wir daraus gelernt? Was könnt ihr übernehmen? Was müsst ihr für euch selber aber irgendwie auch entdecken? Ja.\n\nUnd ich kann mir auch vorstellen, dass einfach in 2, 3 Jahren das einfach so die der der Talks sein werden, ja? Und dann die Leute halt nur noch darüber sprechen, okay, wie orchestrieren sie halt hier eigentlich am Ende ihre ihre ganze AI und was kommt irgendwie drauf rum? Es gab sehr viele Talks tatsächlich schon in diesem AI Kontext, die so Quality Gateways ging, also wie kannst Du deinen Agents oder wie kannst Du Agents dafür nutzen, Tests zu automatisieren, Test Cases zu discovern, selber zu beheben dann und so was, ja? Wo ich denk, okay, da sind schon viele irgendwie in der richtigen Richtung unterwegs. Und wenn ich's mir vorstelle, in ein, 2 Jahren mit denselben Leuten noch mal in sonem Rahmen zu sprechen, wär ich zumindest supergespannt, was die mir dann zu erzählen haben.\n\nJa.\n\nSpeaker 0: Was war der beste Talk, den Du gesehen hast?\n\nSpeaker 1: Entweder 1 von diesen Factory Pattern Talks, weil das tatsächlich bei mir das 1. Mal so war, dass ich da gesessen hab, gedacht, okay, wir müssen grundlegend darüber nachdenken, wie sich unsere Rolle ändert hin zu so Systemarchitekten und zwar nicht Systemarchitekten im Sinne deine App als Systemlandschaft, sondern dieses System, was Software irgendwie baut, ja? Wo wir bei uns ja auch grade schon son bisschen da drüber nachdenken sind, aber jeder eigentlich grade noch so sein eigenes Süppchen, ne, also jeder einzelne Developer tatsächlich da grade noch so dran und wir noch nicht so dieses eine übergreifende System für die ganze Firma oder auch nur ein Team irgendwie gefunden haben. Ich glaube, das ist sone Ebene, die kommt so mit der und das fand ich irgendwie son Aha Moment für mich. Und der andere Talk und da kann man vielleicht vorweggreifen, dann werden wir noch 'n Deep Dive zu machen.\n\nDas war 'n sehr cooler Talk, den ich gesehen hab zu Clean Code in Zeiten von der AI und Du wirst dich erinnern, wir hatten hier intern schon mal sone ähnliche Diskussion, ist das überhaupt noch relevant und brauchen wir das? Und gefühlt haben wir intern damals diese Debatte sehr emotional geführt so. Man man hängt da dran oder man will das endlich loswerden und ey, ah, ja, löst uns irgendwie davon. Und das war der 1. Talk, den ich gesehen hab oder das 1.\n\nMal, dass ich jemand da auch mit auseinandergesetzt hab, auf soner sehr faktischen Ebene. Okay, diese Sachen, die es in geht, würden die einem Agent tatsächlich nutzen und wenn ja, warum oder warum nicht? Und welche Regeln muss man verwerfen? Welche muss man vielleicht neu dazu nehmen? Welche muss man vielleicht auch anpassen fürn Agent?\n\nUnd das fand ich sehr pragmatisch, sehr highbefreit und trotzdem sehr, wie sagt man so, Software Crafty, ne? Also es gibt irgendwie wenige dieser Craft Momente in AI Zeiten und das fand ich son Coolen davon.\n\nSpeaker 0: Mhm.\n\nSpeaker 1: Und das werden wir auf jeden Fall noch mal aufgreifen. Cool. Und ich merk ganz kurz. Ja. Ich glaub, wir haben in der Folge über die Google Cloud Next auch darüber gesprochen, wie sehr ich es hasse, wenn Leute so AI generierte Slides verwenden, weil die für mich gefühlt alle gleich aussehen.\n\nUnd es gab auch einen Talk, der das sehr intensiv gemacht hat, ehrlicherweise mit 'nem schönen Arztleu, da war's nicht ganz so schlimm und der hat am Ende was gemacht, was jetzt mein Requirement an alle AI Slide Talks ist. Der hat nämlich am Ende seine Outros gezeigt, so welche komischen Slides wurden generiert und die halt einfach komplett Banane ausgesehen haben und das war noch mal son ganz lustiger Moment am Ende vorm Talk und ich würde empfehlen, wenn ihr eure Slides KI generieren lasst und das ab und zu in die Hose geht, nehmt ihr einfach mit und wenn am Ende keine Fragen kommen, ist es ganz lustig, da noch mal drüber zu schauen.\n\nSpeaker 0: Und falls ihr eure Slides noch nicht mit KI generieren, was solltet ihr euch noch mal deutlich hinterfragen?\n\nSpeaker 1: Das weiß ich nicht, ob ich das so blank unterschreiben würde, aber ja, vielleicht alle alle diese Talks von der der Konferenz und auch von den letzten Jahren sind auch auf Youtube, also noch nicht alle, weil jetzt ist es grad mal eine Woche her, aber die veröffentlichen die auch über Zeit oder und da sind 'n paar echt coole dabei, verlinken wir dann noch.\n\nSpeaker 0: Bei der Programmiercon kommen sie instant.\n\nSpeaker 1: Das sagst Du Auch jetzt letzte Mal haben sie, glaube ich, 'n halbes Jahr gebraucht, aber okay, ihr habt's ihr gehört.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, das sind die Vibe Coding Eindrücke von gestern Nacht. Gut, Rahmenbedingungen. So, Du hast schon hier im Slack Channel, was ihr Bedürfnis war anscheinend, hattest Du schon ein 1 Foto geteilt und zwar von 1 Speisekarte.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, also man geht ja auf diese Veranstaltung auch, wenn man eine eigene Konferenz hostet, so wie wir son bisschen, zu gucken, okay, was was machen die anderen? So. Ja. Und uns war das ja immer sehr wichtig, dass bei uns Catering mit dabei ist und ehrlicherweise auch 'n sehr gehobenes Catering, aber das muss ja gar nicht immer der Anspruch sein. Hauptsache, das ist irgendwie was da.\n\nUnd ich find das auch sehr wichtig, weil das für mich tatsächlich während soner Konferenz ein Mental Load Punkt ist, den ich abhaken kann. Ich muss nicht gucken, wo geh ich hier aus der Messe raus, wo geh ich hin, bla, sondern ich geh einfach rein, krieg im Zweifelsfall auch schon das eine Essen, was's halt irgendwie gibt oder die Auswahl aus 2 oder keine Ahnung was. Kann mir das nehmen, fertig, bla. Kosten sind gar nicht mal so das Hauptargument. Das ist vielleicht auch 'n Argument, ja, aber ich mein, für die allermeisten Leute zahlt es ja dann der Arbeitgeber und das ist vielleicht ärgerlich, aber es tut dir persönlich nicht weh.\n\nAber persönlich stört mich so dieser dieser Moment viel mehr. So. Letztes Jahr, als bei der war, gab es da Catering. So, mit derselben Erwartungshaltung bin ich da auch wieder hin. Mhm.\n\nBis ich dann gesehen hab, es gibt kein Catering mehr. Es gibt keinen Kaffee mehr. Es gibt gar nichts mehr. Es gibt jetzt nur noch Foodtrucks, die draußen im Hof stehen und da kannst Du dich bedienen. Und wenn dann mehrere 1000 Leute zur selben Zeit auf ein paar wenige Foodtrucks einstürmen, ist das natürlich auch 'n Skalierungsproblem, womit ein Caterer, der genau weiß, dass er irgendwie alleine 2000 Leute versorgen muss, vielleicht deutlich besser umgehen kann als diese paar Food Trucks.\n\nUnd da kommen natürlich noch dazu, dass die Preise auch jetzt nicht grade günstig waren. Also dieses Foto, was's geschickt hatte\n\nSpeaker 0: Wird es extra noch mal rausgehört. Von\n\nSpeaker 1: dem einen stand rausgehört.\n\nSpeaker 0: Wenn Du ein\n\nSpeaker 1: Wasser mit 1 Brezel haben wolltest, warst Du bei, ich glaub, 9 Euro 80 oder 9 Euro 60, keine Ahnung so. Auf alle knappen Zehner, sag ich mal. Und das denke ich mir, wenn dein Ticket schon 500 Euro kostet, da könnt man son bisschen was drauflegen, so. Sie hatten son paar Wasserspender überall aufm Gelände verteilt, manchmal war da auch noch was drin, manchmal waren sie leer. Ja, ja.\n\nSpeaker 0: Tee Weiß nicht. Eine Tasse Tee 4 Euro.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, das ist halt 'n heißes Wasser. Also ich mein, das... Aber ich\n\nSpeaker 0: fahr noch den ich mochte den Kommentar von von Grisha, die dieses Catering Unternehmen heißt ja tatsächlich Capital Catering,\n\nSpeaker 1: so\n\nSpeaker 0: sich Kapital drauf zu schaffen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ich glaub, das kommt, weil das so Capital Catering, also weil das in Berlin Hauptstadtmäßig und so ist. Aber ja. Kannst auch anders interpretieren. Ja. Ja, okay.\n\nJa, steile Preise auf jeden Fall. Ich hab für meine Currywurst bei Mittagessen gab's son Angebot Currywurst mit Pommes und Getränk 15 Euro. Das also für Messepreise eigentlich halt okay, aber für eine Konferenz, die letztes Jahr Catering mithatte und jetzt nicht mehr und es auch nirgendwo vorher kommuniziert wurde. Mhm. So.\n\nÄrgerlich. 1 von den paar wenigen Punkten, wo ich mir denk, da haben sie sich eigentlich nur selber irgendwie wehgetan, ja? Das hätte man, wenn man das besser kommuniziert hätte, wenn man das 'n bisschen besser strukturiert hätte, da gibt's so ein, 2 Punkte generell bei dem Event, wo ich mir denk, ja, inhaltlich sind sie, glaub ich, auf dem auf dem richtigen Weg, aber eventhandwerksmäßig fehlt da manchmal noch, sone Kleinigkeit.\n\nSpeaker 0: Dein größter Kritikpunkt?\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, wie gesagt, ich glaub so das, was da am Eventhandwerk noch fehlt, das sind zum Beispiel über die 3 Tage war ich zweimal in Sessions gesessen, die einfach nicht stattgefunden haben. Mhm. Und beim ersten Mal kam auch einfach niemand, zu sagen, hier, das fällt aus oder das war keine Nacht am Screen. Wir saßen dann alle da so 15 Minuten lang und dann haben die Leute angefangen, sich so anzugucken und gehen wir jetzt einfach oder was was machen wir jetzt hier? Und das war natürlich so lange, dass ich dann auch es nicht mehr gehört hatte, irgendwo anders reinzugehen.\n\nUnd das war halt irgendwie eine verschenkte Zeit, wo ich mir dann, okay, wenn sie von Anfang an gesagt hätten, der fällt aus, Du bleibst, ja immer mal passieren, Leute werden krank, ne, Live Happons, dann kann man woanders hingehen, dann wär das kein Beibruch, aber dich halt so lange da irgendwie warten zu lassen. Und das ist wohl tatsächlich in mehreren Tracks passiert, hab ich mir von Leuten sagen lassen, das muss halt einfach nicht sein so. Ja, wo ich mir denk, das das hätte man einfach besser lösen können, dann wären alle Leute irgendwie glücklicher gewesen. Ja, so, das und mit dem mit dem Catering zusammen, das sind eigentlich so meine meine größten Kritikpunkte. Jetzt hast Du gesagt,\n\nSpeaker 0: es gibt 'n Termin schon nächstes Jahr, das heißt, es scheint wirtschaftlich erfolgreich genug zu sein, das Ganze vorzuführen. Ja, also\n\nSpeaker 1: ich so spalt jetzt immer in meinem Catering und der Marge und ich hab mir auch sagen lassen, weil ich mir wirklich hatte, na ja, die haben jetzt diese vielen mehr Tracks und so was, ja. Und ich hab mir jemanden besprochen, der wohl auch da schon mal Events organisiert hat im im City Cube und das ist wohl preislich gar nicht so der große Hebel, ob Du uns irgendwie 2, 3 Räume mehr bestohlen lässt oder nicht, sondern dann hast Du halt den City Cube und dann hast Du den City Cube so Und von daher haben sie jetzt gefühlt zu der im Vergleich zur letzten Jahr deutlich mehr Menschen reinbekommen bei 'nem ähnlichen Preis ohne Catering, also wird sich schon irgendwie rentiert haben. Die Ausstellerhalle war auch deutlich größer gefüllt Mhm. Dieses Jahr, wo bestimmt auch nicht wenig Geld gelassen wird, da seinen seinen Stand zu bekommen. Ich hab da mal son bisschen nachgefragt.\n\nSpeaker 0: Mhm.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, also ich glaub, dafür wird das werden wir noch länger sehen, das Event. Sehr gut. Und ist auch international besucht, was ja auch nicht 'n Selbstschlaf ist.\n\nSpeaker 0: Sind die Tracks Englisch?\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja. Alle? Ja. Okay. Alles klar.\n\nSpeaker 0: Dann vielen Dank für diese Einblicke zur Next App Devcon.\n\nSpeaker 1: Das ist genauso wie es heißt. Kurz mal schauen, wie wir's\n\nSpeaker 0: demnächst hier noch mal anders heißt.\n\nSpeaker 1: Wir haben zumindest die, wie sagt man, die die Punktuierung geändert. Das war, als wir das angekündigt haben, letztes Jahr war es irgendwie so ein Wort und jetzt ist es, glaube ich, next App Punkt Devcon oder also weiß nicht, das ändert sich schon noch mal. Ich weiß nicht, wir müssen die Shownotes schreiben. Ich muss noch mal nachschauen.\n\nSpeaker 0: Sehr gut. Alles klar. Ja, wenn ihr noch weitere Fragen habt, könnt ihr natürlich Jan gerne schreiben, unter anderem als Jan at Programmier Punkt Bar oder Ja. Was ich empfehlen wollte, ob ich irgendwie andere... Nein, oder natürlich auch über unser Kontaktformular auf der Webseite, genauso wenn ihr anderes Feedback habt, könnt ihr erst darüber schreiben.\n\nSpeaker 1: Wir können auch gerne auf unseren Discord Server quatschen.\n\nSpeaker 0: Die Jan antwortet auch über Spotify Kommentare. Ich antworte\n\nSpeaker 1: überall. Wenn die Kommentare nett sind, die beantwortet werden, dann war's meistens Vanessa, wenn's son bisschen Sessy, Sarkastisches, dann kamen sie meistens Das funktioniert. Sehr gut.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, vielen Dank für die Einblicke und bis zur nächsten Konferenz. Yes, das ist unsere. Dann bis zur nächsten Premicon.\n\nSpeaker 1: Wunderbar, bis dann.",[14684,14689,14694,14701,14709,14714,14726,14738,14745,14753,14762,14773,14782,14787,14792,14800,14809,14812,14825,14830,14842,14855,14858,14864,14871,14882,14895,14902,14905,14918,14927,14934,14946,14957,14960,14971,14975,14980,14987,14993,15004,15010,15022,15033,15041,15052,15065,15070,15074,15078,15086,15098,15101,15114,15124,15134,15138,15150,15159,15171,15179,15183,15194,15207,15218,15229,15242,15253,15266,15269,15274,15287,15300,15312,15318,15321,15332,15339,15344,15348,15352,15357,15366,15377,15390,15401,15414,15420,15425,15430,15434,15446,15452,15461,15466,15469,15473,15483,15493,15500,15504,15516,15529,15535,15547,15550,15559,15563,15571,15576,15582,15586,15596,15607,15611,15617,15624,15632],{"sentences":14685,"speaker":111,"num_words":14688,"start":108,"end":203},[14686],{"text":14687,"start":108,"end":203},"Hallo und herzlich willkommen zu 1 neuen programmierbare Folge, einem Special über eine Konferenz und 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berichten.",15,{"sentences":14715,"speaker":87,"num_words":14725,"start":372,"end":498},[14716,14718,14720,14721,14723],{"text":14717,"start":372,"end":424},"Yes und vielleicht für alle da draußen, die jetzt denken, was ist denn die Next App TevCon?",{"text":14719,"start":424,"end":447},"Das hab ich irgendwie noch nie gehört.",{"text":454,"start":447,"end":452},{"text":14722,"start":452,"end":462},"Das ist richtig?",{"text":14724,"start":462,"end":498},"Weil ich hieß früher anders, die hieß schon mehrfach anders.",38,{"sentences":14727,"speaker":87,"num_words":14737,"start":502,"end":784},[14728,14730,14732,14734,14736],{"text":14729,"start":502,"end":542},"Ganz früher war es die, dann ist das so und zusammen geworden.",{"text":14731,"start":546,"end":631},"Und dieses Jahr haben sie sich erstmals noch breiter aufgestellt mit ganz viel Tracks zu Web und anderen Themen können wir gleich noch drüber sprechen.",{"text":14733,"start":636,"end":728},"Deshalb haben sie jetzt gesagt so, okay, wir kommen aus diesem App Space, deshalb so next App, aber wir machen auch so generisch deff für alle, deshalb next App, deff con.",{"text":14735,"start":732,"end":781},"Ist würd da auch noch mal drüber nachdenken, nur über den Namen, aber so ist es jetzt.",{"text":786,"start":781,"end":784},86,{"sentences":14739,"speaker":111,"num_words":14744,"start":788,"end":907},[14740,14742],{"text":14741,"start":788,"end":854},"Das heißt, würdest Du schon, hat's trotzdem noch sonen, ah nee, Du hast gerade gesagt, Web ist auch dabei.",{"text":14743,"start":854,"end":907},"Also, App heißt nicht ausschließlich so Native iOS Android, sondern nee, also ich würde",33,{"sentences":14746,"speaker":87,"num_words":14752,"start":907,"end":1111},[14747,14749,14751],{"text":14748,"start":907,"end":1004},"sagen, der allergrößte Teil der Besucherin war schon so Mobile Developer, weil da kommen sie halt her, da haben sie eine große Crowd, ne, die kommen ja auch alle irgendwie wieder.",{"text":14750,"start":1008,"end":1107},"Aber dadurch, dass sie auch Tracks zu React, zu Cross Plattform Frameworks, zu für Gentic, für Spiele, für bla, haben war's schon auch 'n sehr gemischtes Publikum.",{"text":786,"start":1110,"end":1111},59,{"sentences":14754,"speaker":111,"num_words":14761,"start":1115,"end":1159},[14755,14757,14759],{"text":14756,"start":1115,"end":1124},"1 bis 10.",{"text":14758,"start":1129,"end":1140},"Kann ich zählen, ja.",{"text":14760,"start":1145,"end":1159},"Wie begeistert warst Du am",12,{"sentences":14763,"speaker":87,"num_words":14772,"start":1162,"end":1339},[14764,14765,14767,14769,14771],{"text":1166,"start":1162,"end":1163},{"text":14766,"start":1169,"end":1204},"Boah, ich weiß nicht, ob ich der Richtige bin, das zu beantworten.",{"text":14768,"start":1208,"end":1248},"Ja okay, ich versteh, was Du meinst oder warum die Frage wichtig ist.",{"text":14770,"start":1248,"end":1334},"Ich würde sagen, sone 7 bis 8 mit vielleicht sonem kleinen bisschen Salz obendrauf, weil ich ja quasi von Berufs wegen begeistert sein muss, wenn ich da hinfahr.",{"text":1341,"start":1334,"end":1339},55,{"sentences":14774,"speaker":87,"num_words":14781,"start":1339,"end":1553},[14775,14777,14779],{"text":14776,"start":1339,"end":1394},"Weil also ich bin ja da, Content zu finden, so coole Speaker zu finden, coole Themen zu finden.",{"text":14778,"start":1394,"end":1470},"Deswegen und es liegt auch so in meiner Natur der Sache, dass ich mich generell für Sachen begeistern kann, also ist für mich vielleicht einfacher.",{"text":14780,"start":1474,"end":1553},"Wenn ich jetzt hauptberuflich nur Mobile App Development machen würde oder nur Web Development oder nur Game Development, dann wär's vielleicht eher sone 6 bis 7 so, aber ja.",72,{"sentences":14783,"speaker":111,"num_words":14708,"start":1556,"end":1579},[14784,14785],{"text":786,"start":1556,"end":1557},{"text":14786,"start":1561,"end":1579},"Dann noch mal 'n paar Fakten.",{"sentences":14788,"speaker":87,"num_words":14791,"start":1583,"end":1589},[14789],{"text":14790,"start":1583,"end":1589},"Weiß nicht,",2,{"sentences":14793,"speaker":111,"num_words":14700,"start":1589,"end":1651},[14794,14796,14798],{"text":14795,"start":1589,"end":1606},"wie viele Du davon kennst.",{"text":14797,"start":1611,"end":1624},"Wann hat sich stattgefunden?",{"text":14799,"start":1627,"end":1651},"Fakten Fakten, Fokuswerbung war das früher, gell?",{"sentences":14801,"speaker":87,"num_words":14808,"start":1651,"end":1715},[14802,14803,14804,14806],{"text":1581,"start":1651,"end":1655},{"text":1581,"start":1655,"end":1659},{"text":14805,"start":1662,"end":1669},"Ja, ja.",{"text":14807,"start":1672,"end":1715},"Stattgefunden vom siebten bis neunten Oktober und nächstes Jahr ist es auch wieder so den Dreh.",20,{"sentences":14810,"speaker":111,"num_words":87,"start":1718,"end":1719},[14811],{"text":1721,"start":1718,"end":1719},{"sentences":14813,"speaker":87,"num_words":14824,"start":1719,"end":1845},[14814,14816,14818,14820,14822],{"text":14815,"start":1719,"end":1754},"in Berlin CityCube Messe mit Wie vielen Menschen?",{"text":14817,"start":1759,"end":1775},"24 Tracks hab ich mir aufgeschrieben.",{"text":14819,"start":1775,"end":1783},"Okay, 24 Tracks.",{"text":14821,"start":1787,"end":1821},"Menschen, ich hab noch mal nachgedacht, ich hab keine Zahlen gefunden.",{"text":14823,"start":1825,"end":1845},"Ich würde vermuten, es waren son paar 1000.",36,{"sentences":14826,"speaker":111,"num_words":14829,"start":1849,"end":1865},[14827],{"text":14828,"start":1849,"end":1865},"Okay, 24 Tracks hast Du gesagt?",6,{"sentences":14831,"speaker":87,"num_words":14841,"start":1865,"end":2184},[14832,14834,14836,14838,14840],{"text":14833,"start":1865,"end":1898},"Ja, die aber nicht immer alle zu jeder Zeit vollgeführt waren.",{"text":14835,"start":1898,"end":1953},"Also sie haben das sehr dediziert gemacht, dass es für diese ganzen Themen, die sie da abdecken wollen.",{"text":14837,"start":1953,"end":2002},"Es gab einen Track für Gaming, es gab einen Track für VR, AR, bla bla bla.",{"text":14839,"start":2002,"end":2179},"Es gab einen Track für Security, einen Track für oder 2 Tracks für Swift et cetera et cetera und dadurch war halt nicht immer überall voll, weil sie da halt wirklich nur diese Art von Content platzieren wollten, aber dadurch, dass der CityCube halt diese vielen Räume hat, kannst Du sie halt erlauben, Tracks quasi durchgehend zu blockieren, auch wenn Du sie nicht immer bespielst.",{"text":1341,"start":2183,"end":2184},111,{"sentences":14843,"speaker":87,"num_words":14854,"start":2184,"end":2496},[14844,14846,14848,14850,14852],{"text":14845,"start":2184,"end":2192},"Ja, okay.",{"text":14847,"start":2195,"end":2276},"Ich weiß auch nicht, ob ich 'n großer Freund davon irgendwie bin, weil wenn Du jetzt nur wegen ein, 2 Themen kommst, sitzt Du halt 3 Tage gefühlt im selben Raum.",{"text":14849,"start":2279,"end":2378},"Ne, wenn ich wenn ich jetzt aus Gaming Perspektive da hinkomm, dann bin ich vielleicht bei bei Gaming und bei VR und vielleicht noch einmal in der Security Session oder so, weil sie mich son bisschen tangiert.",{"text":14851,"start":2382,"end":2455},"Aber es es passiert dich halt nicht son bisschen, das ganze Gelände anzuschauen und mal durch die Export zu laufen und die anderen Tracks und so.",{"text":14853,"start":2459,"end":2496},"Aber es macht's halt komfortabel, weil Du immer weißt, wo Du hin musst.",109,{"sentences":14856,"speaker":87,"num_words":87,"start":2500,"end":2501},[14857],{"text":454,"start":2500,"end":2501},{"sentences":14859,"speaker":111,"num_words":14863,"start":2504,"end":2535},[14860,14861],{"text":454,"start":2504,"end":2505},{"text":14862,"start":2505,"end":2535},"Und Du musst nicht zwangsweise immer übers komplette Messegelände laufen.",11,{"sentences":14865,"speaker":87,"num_words":14725,"start":2539,"end":2662},[14866,14867,14869],{"text":14805,"start":2539,"end":2544},{"text":14868,"start":2544,"end":2639},"Was wir auch bei der Wear Developers oder bei der Google Clutnik gemacht hatten, wo Du wirklich so 10, 15 Minuten einplanen musst, einfach zu 'nem Talk zu kommen.",{"text":14870,"start":2639,"end":2662},"Also wirklich diese Zeit da brauchst, ja.",{"sentences":14872,"speaker":111,"num_words":14881,"start":2664,"end":2782},[14873,14874,14875,14877,14879],{"text":786,"start":2664,"end":2665},{"text":2674,"start":2670,"end":2671},{"text":14876,"start":2676,"end":2729},"Du hast ja schon gesagt, Du Du hast selbst versucht son bisschen einfach Themen für dich oder für uns zu suchen.",{"text":14878,"start":2733,"end":2755},"Wie ist denn so die Orgel außen rum?",{"text":14880,"start":2755,"end":2782},"War es einfach für dich, die Talks zu 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ne.",73,{"sentences":14919,"speaker":87,"num_words":14926,"start":3232,"end":3495},[14920,14922,14924],{"text":14921,"start":3232,"end":3285},"So 24 Tracks irgendwie parallel, da musst Du's schon viel durchscrollen über 3 Tage war auch ordentlich Auswahl.",{"text":14923,"start":3289,"end":3488},"Und dann hab ich das halt geheiltet und dann hab ich am Ende klar gesagt, okay, jetzt guck mir alles an, was ich so geheiltet hab und übertrag mir das bitte in meinen Kalender rein, was natürlich auch das Problem mitbringt, dass, glaub ich, bei mindestens einem Fall so war, dass sie noch mal was an der Agenda geändert hatten und irgendwie Sessions getauscht hatten und dass dann halt meinen Kalender nicht mitgekriegt hat.",{"text":14925,"start":3492,"end":3495},"Aber ja.",94,{"sentences":14928,"speaker":111,"num_words":14761,"start":3498,"end":3530},[14929,14930,14932],{"text":1341,"start":3498,"end":3499},{"text":14931,"start":3503,"end":3516},"Und gab's eine fixe Session länger?",{"text":14933,"start":3516,"end":3530},"Also wie lang waren Vorträge?",{"sentences":14935,"speaker":87,"num_words":14945,"start":3534,"end":3918},[14936,14938,14940,14942,14944],{"text":14937,"start":3534,"end":3641},"Es gab 20 Minuten, 45 Minuten und die Keynotes eine Stunde, wobei die Keynotes immer son bisschen bisschen später angefangen haben, bisschen Q und A, also der Vortrag war auch nicht ultralang, ja, so die Formate.",{"text":14939,"start":3644,"end":3707},"Ich muss sagen, ich hab als ich war Anfang des Jahres in London auf 'ner Konferenz und die hatten auch so dieses 20 Minuten Format.",{"text":14941,"start":3711,"end":3848},"Ich bin da, glaub ich, kein Freund von, das ist mir zu kurz und es gibt mir zu wenig Content und wenn ich dann noch irgendwie am Ende 'n paar Fragen haben will, dann hab ich eigentlich nur son 15 Minuten Lightning Impulsvortrag so und dafür dann viel Geld zu zahlen.",{"text":14943,"start":3848,"end":3914},"Also die Tickets, da liegen, glaube ich, im regulären Verkauf ohne Early Barte und so weit bei 500 Euro.",{"text":1341,"start":3914,"end":3918},132,{"sentences":14947,"speaker":87,"num_words":14688,"start":3920,"end":3990},[14948,14950,14952,14954,14955],{"text":14949,"start":3920,"end":3930},"Auch nicht so günstig.",{"text":14951,"start":3934,"end":3943},"Ja, für 3 Tage.",{"text":14953,"start":3947,"end":3959},"Aber ohne Catering und alles.",{"text":3965,"start":3959,"end":3963},{"text":14956,"start":3967,"end":3990},"Ja, da können wir auch gleich noch mal drüber sprechen.",{"sentences":14958,"speaker":111,"num_words":87,"start":3990,"end":3992},[14959],{"text":1666,"start":3990,"end":3992},{"sentences":14961,"speaker":87,"num_words":14970,"start":3992,"end":4176},[14962,14963,14965,14966,14968],{"text":1142,"start":3992,"end":3995},{"text":14964,"start":3998,"end":4028},"Dann dann würde ich mir schon mehr Tiefe irgendwie auch wünschen, ja.",{"text":454,"start":4028,"end":4031},{"text":14967,"start":4034,"end":4128},"Ja und das sorgt halt auch dafür, dass ich am Ende von sonem Tag dadurch, dass manche sehr kurz waren, schon in 8 unterschiedlichen Talks gesessen hab und das ist halt auch schon hartes Programm irgendwie.",{"text":14969,"start":4128,"end":4176},"Also da bist Du dann auch mental son bisschen durch, viele Kontext hältst, viele neue Themen, bla.",67,{"sentences":14972,"speaker":87,"num_words":14700,"start":4179,"end":4225},[14973],{"text":14974,"start":4179,"end":4225},"Das ist, glaube ich, mit, wenn man so 5, 6 längere Sessions macht, glaube ich angenehmer.",{"sentences":14976,"speaker":111,"num_words":14979,"start":4229,"end":4243},[14977],{"text":14978,"start":4229,"end":4243},"Gab es eine übergreifende Keynote?",5,{"sentences":14981,"speaker":87,"num_words":14894,"start":4246,"end":4343},[14982,14984,14985],{"text":14983,"start":4246,"end":4270},"Nein, es gab in mehreren der Tracks gleichzeitig Keynotes.",{"text":786,"start":4274,"end":4275},{"text":14986,"start":4279,"end":4343},"Was ja vielleicht auch Sinn macht, weil wenn Du jetzt irgendwie Mobile Developer bist, interessiert die Keynote aus dem Security Bereich vielleicht weniger oder die",{"sentences":14988,"speaker":111,"num_words":14863,"start":4343,"end":4374},[14989,14991],{"text":14990,"start":4343,"end":4357},"aus dem Gaming Bereich oder so.",{"text":14992,"start":4359,"end":4374},"Ja, gab's eine gemeinsame Begrüßung?",{"sentences":14994,"speaker":87,"num_words":15003,"start":4377,"end":4548},[14995,14997,14998,15000,15001],{"text":14996,"start":4377,"end":4459},"Es gab in allen Tracks vor der Keynote denselben 5 Minuten Einspieler oder so mit, hey, schön, dass ihr da seid, das ist unser Format, deshalb machen wir das hier.",{"text":1341,"start":4459,"end":4463},{"text":14999,"start":4463,"end":4480},"Okay, et cetera, et cetera.",{"text":786,"start":4480,"end":4483},{"text":15002,"start":4483,"end":4548},"War auch schön produziert, aber da hab ich mir auch gedacht, das hätte man auch live machen können und einfach in die anderen Bäume reinstreamen.",62,{"sentences":15005,"speaker":87,"num_words":15009,"start":4553,"end":4575},[15006,15008],{"text":15007,"start":4553,"end":4572},"Wär vielleicht 'n bisschen persönlicher noch gewesen.",{"text":1341,"start":4572,"end":4575},8,{"sentences":15011,"speaker":111,"num_words":15021,"start":4578,"end":4756},[15012,15014,15016,15017,15019],{"text":15013,"start":4578,"end":4598},"Noch will ich nicht aufs Catering gehen.",{"text":15015,"start":4601,"end":4615},"Ja, was kann man noch beurteilen?",{"text":4623,"start":4620,"end":4621},{"text":15018,"start":4625,"end":4725},"Ich mein, muss man ja auch zugeben, Du warst jetzt alleine dort, so also aus unserem Space alleine dort und bei 24 Tracks und 3 Tagen hast Du wahrscheinlich einen kleinen Prozentsatz der Talks gesehen.",{"text":15020,"start":4728,"end":4756},"Wie hat dir die Qualität gefallen der Talks, die Du gesehen hast?",61,{"sentences":15023,"speaker":87,"num_words":15032,"start":4759,"end":5025},[15024,15026,15028,15030],{"text":15025,"start":4759,"end":4840},"Es waren ein paar sehr, sehr gute Talks dabei, wo wir auch die Speaker direkt hier jetzt mal so abgegriffen haben und mit denen noch zukünftig 'n paar Folgen aufnehmen werden.",{"text":15027,"start":4843,"end":4920},"Das waren wie bei jeder Konferenz auch immer 'n paar Nieten dabei, wo man sich denkt, dieser Talk hätte ein Blogpost sein können oder eine E-Mail oder keine Ahnung was.",{"text":15029,"start":4924,"end":4954},"Aber im Schnitt bin ich, glaub ich, eher positiv als negativ ausgegangen.",{"text":15031,"start":4954,"end":5025},"Also ich war auch schon auf Veranstaltungen, wo ich mir denk, so, hier ist es echt schwer, son Goldstück zu finden und das war dann nicht.",99,{"sentences":15034,"speaker":111,"num_words":15040,"start":5025,"end":5072},[15035,15036,15038],{"text":786,"start":5025,"end":5028},{"text":15037,"start":5032,"end":5044},"Hast Du andere mitbekommen?",{"text":15039,"start":5048,"end":5072},"Also wie zufrieden die Leute waren so mit Vorträgen?",14,{"sentences":15042,"speaker":87,"num_words":14970,"start":5076,"end":5256},[15043,15045,15046,15048,15050],{"text":15044,"start":5076,"end":5120},"Es haben sich 'n paar Leute darüber echauffiert, dass einige der Talks deutliches Sponsoring placement waren.",{"text":1341,"start":5120,"end":5122},{"text":15047,"start":5122,"end":5140},"Das gibt's ja öfter auf großen Veranstaltungen.",{"text":15049,"start":5140,"end":5191},"Du kaufst irgendwie 'n 'n Buch, 'n Ausstellungsfläche und kriegst dann irgendwie 'n Talk Slot noch dazu.",{"text":15051,"start":5194,"end":5256},"Die Talks, bei denen ich das gesehen hab, waren zum einen immer nur diese 20 Minuten Talks, wo's dann auch ehrlicherweise nicht ganz so schlimm ist.",{"sentences":15053,"speaker":87,"num_words":15064,"start":5258,"end":5436},[15054,15056,15058,15060,15062],{"text":15055,"start":5258,"end":5318},"Und wenn man sich eine Talkbeschreibung durchliest, finde ich, zumindest erkennt man das auch immer, also man weiß, worauf man sich so einlässt.",{"text":15057,"start":5321,"end":5381},"Und ehrlicherweise waren die Talks, bei denen ich das gesehen hab, auch, also ich mein, es waren zwar Product Pitches, aber es war fair.",{"text":15059,"start":5381,"end":5401},"Es war technisch über das Produkt gesprochen.",{"text":15061,"start":5401,"end":5420},"Es war, wie kann es dir helfen?",{"text":15063,"start":5420,"end":5436},"Es war kein Sales Pitch.",66,{"sentences":15066,"speaker":87,"num_words":15069,"start":5436,"end":5481},[15067],{"text":15068,"start":5436,"end":5481},"Das war 'n Ingenieur vorne, der irgendwie drüber gesprochen hat und dann find ich das auch okay.",17,{"sentences":15071,"speaker":111,"num_words":14829,"start":5483,"end":5497},[15072],{"text":15073,"start":5483,"end":5497},"Du bist ja 'n großer Verfechter,",{"sentences":15075,"speaker":87,"num_words":14791,"start":5501,"end":5506},[15076],{"text":15077,"start":5501,"end":5506},"natürlich spontan,",{"sentences":15079,"speaker":111,"num_words":14725,"start":5510,"end":5618},[15080,15082,15084],{"text":15081,"start":5510,"end":5581},"davon zu sagen, es braucht all diese Themen noch in der Zukunft und wir werden uns auch weiter noch über Frameworks und einzelne Teile unterhalten.",{"text":15083,"start":5584,"end":5611},"Es gab ja wahrscheinlich auch irgendwie, gab's 'n dedizierten AI Track?",{"text":15085,"start":5611,"end":5618},"Hast Du",{"sentences":15087,"speaker":87,"num_words":15097,"start":5618,"end":5840},[15088,15090,15092,15094,15095],{"text":15089,"start":5618,"end":5627},"doch noch gesagt?",{"text":15091,"start":5627,"end":5640},"2 2 Track Tracks.",{"text":15093,"start":5640,"end":5683},"Die, den sie Gentic Coding genannt haben, weil's ja schon mehr Developer Fokus ist.",{"text":454,"start":5683,"end":5686},{"text":15096,"start":5686,"end":5840},"Nicht nur irgendwie generisch AI Und da hat man auch wieder gesehen, also ich glaub generell bei der Konferenz hat man gesehen oder vielleicht würde man das bei allen Veranstaltungen grade sehen, dass sich so 2 Lager bilden und gar nicht mal unbedingt groß verfeindet oder so was, sondern einfach gefühlt leben die Leute in 2 Realitäten.",79,{"sentences":15099,"speaker":111,"num_words":87,"start":5843,"end":5844},[15100],{"text":1341,"start":5843,"end":5844},{"sentences":15102,"speaker":87,"num_words":15113,"start":5844,"end":6343},[15103,15105,15107,15109,15111],{"text":15104,"start":5844,"end":6008},"So, die eine ist unsere Realität, worüber wir auch in den letzten paar Folgen hier immer wieder gesprochen haben, ja, irgendwie superviel Agentic Engineering, wenig Hand anlegen selber beim Coden, immer weniger auch selber die Review dafür machen, immer mehr Onboarding von, ich sag mal, developerfremden Menschen, die auch direkt am Produkt mitarbeiten können mit AI.",{"text":15106,"start":6011,"end":6042},"Und die anderen sind in 1 Realität, wo das einfach nicht so ist, ne.",{"text":15108,"start":6044,"end":6154},"Die nutzen vielleicht Coding Agent oder 'n Chatbot oder so was für Code Compleetion oder irgendwie 'n Problem zu lösen, so wie wir früher Stack Overflow genutzt haben, aber die leben einfach nicht in dieser Gentic Engineering Welt.",{"text":15110,"start":6154,"end":6195},"Entweder weil sie nicht dürfen, weil sie nicht können, weil sie das Geld dafür nicht haben.",{"text":15112,"start":6195,"end":6343},"Es kann ganz unterschiedliche Gründe haben, aber ich glaube, das war ganz interessant zu sehen, wieso außerhalb von unserer Bubble das irgendwie noch funktioniert Und dass es sehr viele, auch teilweise sehr große Firmen gibt, die legitim und da kann man dann drüber streiten, aber die legitime Gründe haben, das jetzt grade nicht so zu machen.",180,{"sentences":15115,"speaker":87,"num_words":14781,"start":6343,"end":6549},[15116,15117,15119,15121,15123],{"text":1341,"start":6343,"end":6346},{"text":15118,"start":6346,"end":6417},"Und deshalb glaube ich, wird für viele mehr Menschen, als wir manchmal so glauben, dieses klassische Konferenzaustausch Weiterbildungsformat noch sehr lange sehr relevant sein.",{"text":15120,"start":6421,"end":6502},"Und ich weiß ehrlicherweise nicht, ob sich das über Zeit von selbst löst oder ob's da einfach Leute und kritische Infrastruktur gibt, wo Menschen sagen, so, wir wollen das halt aus Prinzip nicht.",{"text":15122,"start":6502,"end":6545},"Muss man, glaube ich, abwarten, ob's da noch mal son Kulturwandel durchzieht, ja?",{"text":454,"start":6548,"end":6549},{"sentences":15125,"speaker":87,"num_words":15133,"start":6553,"end":6665},[15126,15127,15129,15131],{"text":454,"start":6553,"end":6554},{"text":15128,"start":6556,"end":6612},"Oder ob, weiß ich nicht, auch Firmen wie, oh, ich weiß nicht, darf man jetzt hier darf man jetzt hier was nennen?",{"text":15130,"start":6612,"end":6658},"Also ich hab mit mit Developmentern von großen deutschen Mittelständdern gesprochen, die halt einfach Angst haben.",{"text":15132,"start":6658,"end":6665},"Nein, darfst",41,{"sentences":15135,"speaker":111,"num_words":14693,"start":6665,"end":6673},[15136],{"text":15137,"start":6665,"end":6673},"Du die nennen.",{"sentences":15139,"speaker":87,"num_words":15149,"start":6676,"end":7178},[15140,15142,15144,15145,15147],{"text":15141,"start":6676,"end":6869},"Okay, da waren Leute von, ich sag mal Firmen, so Größenordnung Bosch, ja, die ja auch große IT haben, die nicht nur irgendwie Akkuschrauber und so was herstellen und die hat auch gesagt, okay, die haben halt teilweise Sorge, Coding Adons zu nutzen, weil sie niemandem zutrauen, ihren Quelltext irgendwie an andere Server zu geben, weil da halt viele Patente und Firmengeheimnisse und bla bla drin sind.",{"text":15143,"start":6869,"end":6908},"Was ja auch ehrlicherweise alles so Probleme sind, die wir hier nicht haben im Gaming Space.",{"text":454,"start":6908,"end":6912},{"text":15146,"start":6912,"end":7004},"Oder Leute aus der Verteidigungsbranche, die halt auch gesagt haben, okay, das ist halt, wir haben ganz strenge Anforderungen an Supply Chain Management und wir können nicht das Zeug einfach irgendwohin pusten und ja.",{"text":15148,"start":7006,"end":7178},"Und vielleicht müssen dann diese AI Anbieter irgendwie gesichertere Lösungen für sowas auch anbieten und entwickeln, aber auch da ist es, glaube ich, sone Vertrauens- und Kulturfrage, ne, also genauso wie ja AWS und Azure und sowas auch alles schon gesichertes Hosting in Europa anbieten und bla und trotzdem ist ja immer noch eine gewisse Skepsis gegen amerikanische Cloud Anbieter und vielleicht wird",181,{"sentences":15151,"speaker":111,"num_words":15158,"start":7178,"end":7260},[15152,15154,15156],{"text":15153,"start":7178,"end":7194},"das auch bei AI irgendwie so bleiben.",{"text":15155,"start":7198,"end":7227},"Joa, aber ich mein, dann kannst Du auch deine Lokalmodelle nutzen.",{"text":15157,"start":7227,"end":7260},"Die sind da nicht so gut, aber da kommst Du ja mittlerweile",30,{"sentences":15160,"speaker":87,"num_words":1150,"start":7260,"end":7566},[15161,15163,15165,15167,15169],{"text":15162,"start":7260,"end":7333},"auch relativ Ja, vielleicht ist auch das die Antwort und es gab auch 'n coolen Vortrag über lokale Coding Agents mit GLM, so, ja?",{"text":15164,"start":7333,"end":7356},"Die scheinen ja auch irgendwie mittlerweile ganz gut zu sein.",{"text":15166,"start":7356,"end":7411},"Dann ist halt eher so die Sache, Du brauchst halt schon auch ordentliche Hardware dafür und auch da leben wir wieder in der Bubble.",{"text":15168,"start":7411,"end":7477},"Ich mein, wir haben hier alle irgendwie 6000 Dollar MAX rumstehen so mit 100 Gigabyte RAM und so, das ist alles kein Problem.",{"text":15170,"start":7480,"end":7566},"Aber auch da, wenn Du über son Konferenzflur läufst, da sitzen halt auch Leute mit sonem Dell HP, keine Ahnung, 16 Gigabyte RAM und das ist dann halt ehrlicherweise noch mal eine andere Größenordnung.",{"sentences":15172,"speaker":111,"num_words":14824,"start":7570,"end":7680},[15173,15175,15177],{"text":15174,"start":7570,"end":7575},"Ja, klar.",{"text":15176,"start":7579,"end":7649},"Und ich frage, ich hab gerade mal der Gedanke, ob sogar Konferenzen tendenziell in dieser Übergangsphase eher noch Leute aus der, wie nennt man das?",{"text":15178,"start":7649,"end":7680},"Ich mein, möchte nicht Old School oder traditionell oder",{"sentences":15180,"speaker":87,"num_words":14708,"start":7683,"end":7703},[15181],{"text":15182,"start":7683,"end":7703},"Nee, traditionell, klassisch finde ich schon, okay.",{"sentences":15184,"speaker":111,"num_words":15193,"start":7706,"end":7962},[15185,15187,15189,15191],{"text":15186,"start":7706,"end":7780},"Aus der aus aus aus der klassischen Welt dorthin zieht, weil das Sachen sind, die natürlich trotzdem bei großen Unternehmen auch etabliert sind, also zu Konferenzen irgendwie.",{"text":15188,"start":7780,"end":7806},"Nee, es gibt das Budget, kann's da hinfragen.",{"text":15190,"start":7810,"end":7880},"Da kannste hinfahren so und da frage ich mich, ob das vielleicht trotz, also ob das 'n bisschen auch korrigiert, dass da noch besonders viele Ja.",{"text":15192,"start":7883,"end":7962},"Sind und vielleicht gerade die, die jetzt total abgefahren irgendwelche Sachen, Gentic Engineering machen, vielleicht grad auch gar nicht auf dann eine Konferenz diese Art fahren am aktuellen Umfeld.",90,{"sentences":15195,"speaker":87,"num_words":15206,"start":7962,"end":8347},[15196,15198,15200,15202,15204],{"text":15197,"start":7962,"end":8074},"Und deshalb fand ich's cool, dass sie einfach son Aggenting Engineering Track hatten in der ganzen Konferenz, das so rum und nicht einfach gesagt haben, wir machen jetzt nur noch AI wie irgendwie so so viele andere, was es halt genau das ermöglicht, ne.",{"text":15199,"start":8074,"end":8124},"Du kannst als Anführungszeichen normaler Entwickler da hingehen und dir einfach gucken, was ist halt irgendwie so möglich?",{"text":15201,"start":8124,"end":8226},"Und dies in diesem Agentic Engineering Check war tatsächlich eine sehr große Bandbreite abgebildet, hin zu, hey, was ist überhaupt 'n Handel und wie funktioniert das und was macht das für dich und wie kannst Du's irgendwie tweaken?",{"text":15203,"start":8226,"end":8282},"Also ich sag mal so Level 1 so vielleicht, da son bisschen mehr als sein Coding Chatbot irgendwie zu nehmen.",{"text":15205,"start":8285,"end":8347},"Hin zu, wir haben hier sone komplette Softwarefactory gebaut, das ist unser Workflow, so haben wir irgendwie verschiedene Agent Rollen da reingebracht.",142,{"sentences":15208,"speaker":87,"num_words":15133,"start":8347,"end":8460},[15209,15211,15213,15214,15216],{"text":15210,"start":8347,"end":8360},"So nutzen wir das jetzt.",{"text":15212,"start":8360,"end":8392},"Das sind auch so die Kosten und die Komplexität, die damit einhergeht.",{"text":454,"start":8392,"end":8395},{"text":15215,"start":8395,"end":8413},"Das war schon sehr breit aufgestellt, ja?",{"text":15217,"start":8413,"end":8460},"Hin zu auch so diesen Metathemen drum rum, wie machen wir Knowledge Management über unsere Software?",{"sentences":15219,"speaker":87,"num_words":15228,"start":8460,"end":8692},[15220,15222,15224,15226],{"text":15221,"start":8460,"end":8488},"Ja, ist ja auch Themen, die man sich hier schon anguckt damit.",{"text":15223,"start":8492,"end":8568},"Wir haben hier irgendwie Wikis, die von Agents gepflegt werden oder wir haben mehr Code Dokumentation im Repository, was dem Agent irgendwie noch mehr Kontext geben kann und so was.",{"text":15225,"start":8570,"end":8611},"Also da muss ich zugeben, war ich positiv überrascht, wie progressiv dann da doch vieles war.",{"text":15227,"start":8611,"end":8692},"Ich hab mit deutlich mehr Talks gerechnet aller, hey, was ist ein Hannes und wie funktioniert das und wie kannst Du's irgendwie nutzen, aber es war schon viel mehr vorne dran auch dabei.",91,{"sentences":15230,"speaker":111,"num_words":15241,"start":8694,"end":9035},[15231,15233,15235,15237,15239],{"text":15232,"start":8694,"end":8705},"Ja, ich denke auch nicht.",{"text":15234,"start":8705,"end":8755},"Also meine persönliche Meinung, ich ist nicht, dass irgendwie ich das Gefühl habe, dieses Konferenzen aussterben.",{"text":15236,"start":8759,"end":8803},"Also für mich ist das weiterhin ein 1 super gutes Mittel, sich irgendwie mit der Community auszutauschen.",{"text":15238,"start":8806,"end":8964},"Ich gehe natürlich davon aus, dass sich dieses Thema immer weiter zu dann diesen Problemen hinschiebt und egal, wo wir sie dann definieren, ob's dann mehr das Produkt ist oder die Idee oder wo auch immer, es weiterhin geht, aber dass es schon sinnvoll ist, über seine eigene Bubble hinauszugucken und sich mit anderem auszutauschen und den Austausch zu pflegen.",{"text":15240,"start":8964,"end":9035},"So und das ist, glaube ich, das ist nicht das 1., was ich denke, was ausstirbt mit AI, dass dass der Austausch sich nicht mehr mehrwertig anfühlt.",125,{"sentences":15243,"speaker":87,"num_words":15021,"start":9038,"end":9204},[15244,15246,15248,15250,15252],{"text":15245,"start":9038,"end":9148},"Ja, also grade dieser dieser Beispiel Talk über so Softwarefactory Pattern und so raus, der zeigt ja, dass selbst wenn Du in sonem vollautomatisierten Setting drin bist, es immer noch Bedarf gibt, darüber zu sprechen, okay, wie setzen wir das auf?",{"text":15247,"start":9148,"end":9163},"Was haben wir daraus gelernt?",{"text":15249,"start":9163,"end":9176},"Was könnt ihr übernehmen?",{"text":15251,"start":9176,"end":9201},"Was müsst ihr für euch selber aber irgendwie auch entdecken?",{"text":454,"start":9201,"end":9204},{"sentences":15254,"speaker":87,"num_words":15265,"start":9204,"end":9556},[15255,15257,15259,15261,15263],{"text":15256,"start":9204,"end":9258},"Und ich kann mir auch vorstellen, dass einfach in 2, 3 Jahren das einfach so die der der Talks sein werden, ja?",{"text":15258,"start":9258,"end":9324},"Und dann die Leute halt nur noch darüber sprechen, okay, wie orchestrieren sie halt hier eigentlich am Ende ihre ihre ganze AI und was kommt irgendwie drauf rum?",{"text":15260,"start":9326,"end":9442},"Es gab sehr viele Talks tatsächlich schon in diesem AI Kontext, die so Quality Gateways ging, also wie kannst Du deinen Agents oder wie kannst Du Agents dafür nutzen, Tests zu automatisieren, Test Cases zu discovern, selber zu beheben dann und so was, ja?",{"text":15262,"start":9445,"end":9479},"Wo ich denk, okay, da sind schon viele irgendwie in der richtigen Richtung unterwegs.",{"text":15264,"start":9482,"end":9556},"Und wenn ich's mir vorstelle, in ein, 2 Jahren mit denselben Leuten noch mal in sonem Rahmen zu sprechen, wär ich zumindest supergespannt, was die mir dann zu erzählen haben.",138,{"sentences":15267,"speaker":87,"num_words":87,"start":9558,"end":9559},[15268],{"text":454,"start":9558,"end":9559},{"sentences":15270,"speaker":111,"num_words":15273,"start":9563,"end":9583},[15271],{"text":15272,"start":9563,"end":9583},"Was war der beste Talk, den Du gesehen hast?",9,{"sentences":15275,"speaker":87,"num_words":15286,"start":9585,"end":9973},[15276,15278,15280,15282,15284],{"text":15277,"start":9585,"end":9618},"Entweder 1 von diesen Factory Pattern Talks, weil das tatsächlich bei mir das 1.",{"text":15279,"start":9618,"end":9733},"Mal so war, dass ich da gesessen hab, gedacht, okay, wir müssen grundlegend darüber nachdenken, wie sich unsere Rolle ändert hin zu so Systemarchitekten und zwar nicht Systemarchitekten im Sinne deine App als Systemlandschaft, sondern dieses System, was Software irgendwie baut, ja?",{"text":15281,"start":9735,"end":9867},"Wo wir bei uns ja auch grade schon son bisschen da drüber nachdenken sind, aber jeder eigentlich grade noch so sein eigenes Süppchen, ne, also jeder einzelne Developer tatsächlich da grade noch so dran und wir noch nicht so dieses eine übergreifende System für die ganze Firma oder auch nur ein Team irgendwie gefunden haben.",{"text":15283,"start":9867,"end":9918},"Ich glaube, das ist sone Ebene, die kommt so mit der und das fand ich irgendwie son Aha Moment für mich.",{"text":15285,"start":9921,"end":9973},"Und der andere Talk und da kann man vielleicht vorweggreifen, dann werden wir noch 'n Deep Dive zu machen.",151,{"sentences":15288,"speaker":87,"num_words":15299,"start":9973,"end":10194},[15289,15291,15293,15295,15297],{"text":15290,"start":9973,"end":10079},"Das war 'n sehr cooler Talk, den ich gesehen hab zu Clean Code in Zeiten von der AI und Du wirst dich erinnern, wir hatten hier intern schon mal sone ähnliche Diskussion, ist das überhaupt noch relevant und brauchen wir das?",{"text":15292,"start":10081,"end":10112},"Und gefühlt haben wir intern damals diese Debatte sehr emotional geführt so.",{"text":15294,"start":10112,"end":10164},"Man man hängt da dran oder man will das endlich loswerden und ey, ah, ja, löst uns irgendwie davon.",{"text":15296,"start":10164,"end":10176},"Und das war der 1.",{"text":15298,"start":10176,"end":10194},"Talk, den ich gesehen hab oder das 1.",85,{"sentences":15301,"speaker":87,"num_words":14772,"start":10194,"end":10338},[15302,15304,15306,15308,15310],{"text":15303,"start":10194,"end":10233},"Mal, dass ich jemand da auch mit auseinandergesetzt hab, auf soner sehr faktischen Ebene.",{"text":15305,"start":10233,"end":10280},"Okay, diese Sachen, die es in geht, würden die einem Agent tatsächlich nutzen und wenn ja, warum oder warum nicht?",{"text":15307,"start":10280,"end":10297},"Und welche Regeln muss man verwerfen?",{"text":15309,"start":10301,"end":10317},"Welche muss man vielleicht neu dazu nehmen?",{"text":15311,"start":10317,"end":10338},"Welche muss man vielleicht auch anpassen fürn Agent?",{"sentences":15313,"speaker":87,"num_words":14824,"start":10341,"end":10438},[15314,15316],{"text":15315,"start":10341,"end":10391},"Und das fand ich sehr pragmatisch, sehr highbefreit und trotzdem sehr, wie sagt man so, Software Crafty, ne?",{"text":15317,"start":10391,"end":10438},"Also es gibt irgendwie wenige dieser Craft Momente in AI Zeiten und das fand ich son Coolen davon.",{"sentences":15319,"speaker":111,"num_words":87,"start":10438,"end":10440},[15320],{"text":1341,"start":10438,"end":10440},{"sentences":15322,"speaker":87,"num_words":15331,"start":10440,"end":10582},[15323,15325,15326,15328,15329],{"text":15324,"start":10440,"end":10465},"Und das werden wir auf jeden Fall noch mal aufgreifen.",{"text":10471,"start":10468,"end":10469},{"text":15327,"start":10473,"end":10486},"Und ich merk ganz kurz.",{"text":454,"start":10486,"end":10490},{"text":15330,"start":10494,"end":10582},"Ich glaub, wir haben in der Folge über die Google Cloud Next auch darüber gesprochen, wie sehr ich es hasse, wenn Leute so AI generierte Slides verwenden, weil die für mich gefühlt alle gleich aussehen.",52,{"sentences":15333,"speaker":87,"num_words":15338,"start":10585,"end":10885},[15334,15336],{"text":15335,"start":10585,"end":10684},"Und es gab auch einen Talk, der das sehr intensiv gemacht hat, ehrlicherweise mit 'nem schönen Arztleu, da war's nicht ganz so schlimm und der hat am Ende was gemacht, was jetzt mein Requirement an alle AI Slide Talks ist.",{"text":15337,"start":10684,"end":10885},"Der hat nämlich am Ende seine Outros gezeigt, so welche komischen Slides wurden generiert und die halt einfach komplett Banane ausgesehen haben und das war noch mal son ganz lustiger Moment am Ende vorm Talk und ich würde empfehlen, wenn ihr eure Slides KI generieren lasst und das ab und zu in die Hose geht, nehmt ihr einfach mit und wenn am Ende keine Fragen kommen, ist es ganz lustig, da noch mal drüber zu schauen.",116,{"sentences":15340,"speaker":111,"num_words":15343,"start":10888,"end":10932},[15341],{"text":15342,"start":10888,"end":10932},"Und falls ihr eure Slides noch nicht mit KI generieren, was solltet ihr euch noch mal deutlich hinterfragen?",18,{"sentences":15345,"speaker":87,"num_words":749,"start":10935,"end":11106},[15346],{"text":15347,"start":10935,"end":11106},"Das weiß ich nicht, ob ich das so blank unterschreiben würde, aber ja, vielleicht alle alle diese Talks von der der Konferenz und auch von den letzten Jahren sind auch auf Youtube, also noch nicht alle, weil jetzt ist es grad mal eine Woche her, aber die veröffentlichen die auch über Zeit oder und da sind 'n paar echt coole dabei, verlinken wir dann noch.",{"sentences":15349,"speaker":111,"num_words":14829,"start":11109,"end":11127},[15350],{"text":15351,"start":11109,"end":11127},"Bei der Programmiercon kommen sie instant.",{"sentences":15353,"speaker":87,"num_words":15356,"start":11127,"end":11192},[15354],{"text":15355,"start":11127,"end":11192},"Das sagst Du Auch jetzt letzte Mal haben sie, glaube ich, 'n halbes Jahr gebraucht, aber okay, ihr habt's ihr gehört.",21,{"sentences":15358,"speaker":111,"num_words":15365,"start":11195,"end":11305},[15359,15361,15363],{"text":15360,"start":11195,"end":11223},"Ja, das sind die Vibe Coding Eindrücke von gestern Nacht.",{"text":15362,"start":11223,"end":11232},"Gut, Rahmenbedingungen.",{"text":15364,"start":11236,"end":11305},"So, Du hast schon hier im Slack Channel, was ihr Bedürfnis war anscheinend, hattest Du schon ein 1 Foto geteilt und zwar von 1 Speisekarte.",37,{"sentences":15367,"speaker":87,"num_words":15376,"start":11308,"end":11476},[15368,15370,15371,15372,15374],{"text":15369,"start":11308,"end":11376},"Ja, also man geht ja auf diese Veranstaltung auch, wenn man eine eigene Konferenz hostet, so wie wir son bisschen, zu gucken, okay, was was machen die anderen?",{"text":11382,"start":11376,"end":11380},{"text":454,"start":11380,"end":11384},{"text":15373,"start":11386,"end":11459},"Und uns war das ja immer sehr wichtig, dass bei uns Catering mit dabei ist und ehrlicherweise auch 'n sehr gehobenes Catering, aber das muss ja gar nicht immer der Anspruch sein.",{"text":15375,"start":11459,"end":11476},"Hauptsache, das ist irgendwie was da.",68,{"sentences":15378,"speaker":87,"num_words":15389,"start":11479,"end":11763},[15379,15381,15383,15385,15387],{"text":15380,"start":11479,"end":11535},"Und ich find das auch sehr wichtig, weil das für mich tatsächlich während soner Konferenz ein Mental Load Punkt ist, den ich abhaken kann.",{"text":15382,"start":11535,"end":11639},"Ich muss nicht gucken, wo geh ich hier aus der Messe raus, wo geh ich hin, bla, sondern ich geh einfach rein, krieg im Zweifelsfall auch schon das eine Essen, was's halt irgendwie gibt oder die Auswahl aus 2 oder keine Ahnung was.",{"text":15384,"start":11641,"end":11658},"Kann mir das nehmen, fertig, bla.",{"text":15386,"start":11660,"end":11677},"Kosten sind gar nicht mal so das Hauptargument.",{"text":15388,"start":11677,"end":11763},"Das ist vielleicht auch 'n Argument, ja, aber ich mein, für die allermeisten Leute zahlt es ja dann der Arbeitgeber und das ist vielleicht ärgerlich, aber es tut dir persönlich nicht weh.",113,{"sentences":15391,"speaker":87,"num_words":15400,"start":11763,"end":11851},[15392,15394,15395,15397,15399],{"text":15393,"start":11763,"end":11788},"Aber persönlich stört mich so dieser dieser Moment viel mehr.",{"text":11382,"start":11791,"end":11792},{"text":15396,"start":11795,"end":11819},"Letztes Jahr, als bei der war, gab es da Catering.",{"text":15398,"start":11823,"end":11847},"So, mit derselben Erwartungshaltung bin ich da auch wieder hin.",{"text":1341,"start":11847,"end":11851},32,{"sentences":15402,"speaker":87,"num_words":15413,"start":11851,"end":12064},[15403,15405,15407,15409,15411],{"text":15404,"start":11851,"end":11875},"Bis ich dann gesehen hab, es gibt kein Catering mehr.",{"text":15406,"start":11875,"end":11888},"Es gibt keinen Kaffee mehr.",{"text":15408,"start":11888,"end":11900},"Es gibt gar nichts mehr.",{"text":15410,"start":11900,"end":11945},"Es gibt jetzt nur noch Foodtrucks, die draußen im Hof stehen und da kannst Du dich bedienen.",{"text":15412,"start":11945,"end":12064},"Und wenn dann mehrere 1000 Leute zur selben Zeit auf ein paar wenige Foodtrucks einstürmen, ist das natürlich auch 'n Skalierungsproblem, womit ein Caterer, der genau weiß, dass er irgendwie alleine 2000 Leute versorgen muss, vielleicht deutlich besser umgehen kann als diese paar Food Trucks.",82,{"sentences":15415,"speaker":87,"num_words":15356,"start":12064,"end":12118},[15416,15418],{"text":15417,"start":12064,"end":12101},"Und da kommen natürlich noch dazu, dass die Preise auch jetzt nicht grade günstig waren.",{"text":15419,"start":12101,"end":12118},"Also dieses Foto, was's geschickt hatte",{"sentences":15421,"speaker":111,"num_words":14708,"start":12120,"end":12141},[15422,15424],{"text":15423,"start":12120,"end":12137},"Wird es extra noch mal rausgehört.",{"text":12143,"start":12137,"end":12141},{"sentences":15426,"speaker":87,"num_words":15429,"start":12141,"end":12154},[15427],{"text":15428,"start":12141,"end":12154},"dem einen stand rausgehört.",4,{"sentences":15431,"speaker":111,"num_words":14693,"start":12154,"end":12163},[15432],{"text":15433,"start":12154,"end":12163},"Wenn Du ein",{"sentences":15435,"speaker":87,"num_words":15445,"start":12163,"end":12354},[15436,15438,15440,15442,15444],{"text":15437,"start":12163,"end":12221},"Wasser mit 1 Brezel haben wolltest, warst Du bei, ich glaub, 9 Euro 80 oder 9 Euro 60, keine Ahnung so.",{"text":15439,"start":12221,"end":12241},"Auf alle knappen Zehner, sag ich mal.",{"text":15441,"start":12244,"end":12296},"Und das denke ich mir, wenn dein Ticket schon 500 Euro kostet, da könnt man son bisschen was drauflegen, so.",{"text":15443,"start":12296,"end":12348},"Sie hatten son paar Wasserspender überall aufm Gelände verteilt, manchmal war da auch noch was drin, manchmal waren sie leer.",{"text":14805,"start":12351,"end":12354},70,{"sentences":15447,"speaker":111,"num_words":15009,"start":12358,"end":12381},[15448,15450],{"text":15449,"start":12358,"end":12366},"Tee Weiß nicht.",{"text":15451,"start":12368,"end":12381},"Eine Tasse Tee 4 Euro.",{"sentences":15453,"speaker":87,"num_words":15460,"start":12383,"end":12421},[15454,15456,15458],{"text":15455,"start":12383,"end":12398},"Ja, das ist halt 'n heißes Wasser.",{"text":15457,"start":12402,"end":12412},"Also ich mein, das...",{"text":15459,"start":12416,"end":12421},"Aber ich",13,{"sentences":15462,"speaker":111,"num_words":15465,"start":12421,"end":12483},[15463],{"text":15464,"start":12421,"end":12483},"fahr noch den ich mochte den Kommentar von von Grisha, die dieses Catering Unternehmen heißt ja tatsächlich Capital Catering,",19,{"sentences":15467,"speaker":87,"num_words":87,"start":12486,"end":12487},[15468],{"text":529,"start":12486,"end":12487},{"sentences":15470,"speaker":111,"num_words":14979,"start":12490,"end":12504},[15471],{"text":15472,"start":12490,"end":12504},"sich Kapital drauf zu schaffen.",{"sentences":15474,"speaker":87,"num_words":15482,"start":12504,"end":12581},[15475,15477,15478,15480,15481],{"text":15476,"start":12504,"end":12554},"Ich glaub, das kommt, weil das so Capital Catering, also weil das in Berlin Hauptstadtmäßig und so ist.",{"text":14925,"start":12556,"end":12559},{"text":15479,"start":12562,"end":12572},"Kannst auch anders interpretieren.",{"text":454,"start":12575,"end":12576},{"text":14845,"start":12576,"end":12581},27,{"sentences":15484,"speaker":87,"num_words":15331,"start":12584,"end":12729},[15485,15487,15489,15491,15492],{"text":15486,"start":12584,"end":12597},"Ja, steile Preise auf jeden Fall.",{"text":15488,"start":12597,"end":12649},"Ich hab für meine Currywurst bei Mittagessen gab's son Angebot Currywurst mit Pommes und Getränk 15 Euro.",{"text":15490,"start":12651,"end":12722},"Das also für Messepreise eigentlich halt okay, aber für eine Konferenz, die letztes Jahr Catering mithatte und jetzt nicht mehr und es auch nirgendwo vorher kommuniziert wurde.",{"text":1341,"start":12722,"end":12726},{"text":11382,"start":12726,"end":12729},{"sentences":15494,"speaker":87,"num_words":14781,"start":12732,"end":12918},[15495,15496,15498],{"text":12735,"start":12732,"end":12733},{"text":15497,"start":12737,"end":12788},"1 von den paar wenigen Punkten, wo ich mir denk, da haben sie sich eigentlich nur selber irgendwie wehgetan, ja?",{"text":15499,"start":12788,"end":12918},"Das hätte man, wenn man das besser kommuniziert hätte, wenn man das 'n bisschen besser strukturiert hätte, da gibt's so ein, 2 Punkte generell bei dem Event, wo ich mir denk, ja, inhaltlich sind sie, glaub ich, auf dem auf dem richtigen Weg, aber eventhandwerksmäßig fehlt da manchmal noch, sone Kleinigkeit.",{"sentences":15501,"speaker":111,"num_words":14693,"start":12921,"end":12930},[15502],{"text":15503,"start":12921,"end":12930},"Dein größter Kritikpunkt?",{"sentences":15505,"speaker":87,"num_words":15515,"start":12933,"end":13180},[15506,15508,15509,15511,15513],{"text":15507,"start":12933,"end":13010},"Ja, wie gesagt, ich glaub so das, was da am Eventhandwerk noch fehlt, das sind zum Beispiel über die 3 Tage war ich zweimal in Sessions gesessen, die einfach nicht stattgefunden haben.",{"text":1341,"start":13010,"end":13012},{"text":15510,"start":13014,"end":13070},"Und beim ersten Mal kam auch einfach niemand, zu sagen, hier, das fällt aus oder das war keine Nacht am Screen.",{"text":15512,"start":13070,"end":13135},"Wir saßen dann alle da so 15 Minuten lang und dann haben die Leute angefangen, sich so anzugucken und gehen wir jetzt einfach oder was was machen wir jetzt hier?",{"text":15514,"start":13135,"end":13180},"Und das war natürlich so lange, dass ich dann auch es nicht mehr gehört hatte, irgendwo anders reinzugehen.",102,{"sentences":15517,"speaker":87,"num_words":15528,"start":13180,"end":13480},[15518,15520,15522,15524,15526],{"text":15519,"start":13180,"end":13324},"Und das war halt irgendwie eine verschenkte Zeit, wo ich mir dann, okay, wenn sie von Anfang an gesagt hätten, der fällt aus, Du bleibst, ja immer mal passieren, Leute werden krank, ne, Live Happons, dann kann man woanders hingehen, dann wär das kein Beibruch, aber dich halt so lange da irgendwie warten zu lassen.",{"text":15521,"start":13324,"end":13376},"Und das ist wohl tatsächlich in mehreren Tracks passiert, hab ich mir von Leuten sagen lassen, das muss halt einfach nicht sein so.",{"text":15523,"start":13376,"end":13422},"Ja, wo ich mir denk, das das hätte man einfach besser lösen können, dann wären alle Leute irgendwie glücklicher gewesen.",{"text":15525,"start":13424,"end":13469},"Ja, so, das und mit dem mit dem Catering zusammen, das sind eigentlich so meine meine größten Kritikpunkte.",{"text":15527,"start":13472,"end":13480},"Jetzt hast Du gesagt,",120,{"sentences":15530,"speaker":111,"num_words":15356,"start":13480,"end":13538},[15531,15533],{"text":15532,"start":13480,"end":13531},"es gibt 'n Termin schon nächstes Jahr, das heißt, es scheint wirtschaftlich erfolgreich genug zu sein, das Ganze vorzuführen.",{"text":15534,"start":13535,"end":13538},"Ja, also",{"sentences":15536,"speaker":87,"num_words":1544,"start":13538,"end":13950},[15537,15539,15541,15543,15545],{"text":15538,"start":13538,"end":13632},"ich so spalt jetzt immer in meinem Catering und der Marge und ich hab mir auch sagen lassen, weil ich mir wirklich hatte, na ja, die haben jetzt diese vielen mehr Tracks und so was, ja.",{"text":15540,"start":13632,"end":13864},"Und ich hab mir jemanden besprochen, der wohl auch da schon mal Events organisiert hat im im City Cube und das ist wohl preislich gar nicht so der große Hebel, ob Du uns irgendwie 2, 3 Räume mehr bestohlen lässt oder nicht, sondern dann hast Du halt den City Cube und dann hast Du den City Cube so Und von daher haben sie jetzt gefühlt zu der im Vergleich zur letzten Jahr deutlich mehr Menschen reinbekommen bei 'nem ähnlichen Preis ohne Catering, also wird sich schon irgendwie rentiert haben.",{"text":15542,"start":13864,"end":13887},"Die Ausstellerhalle war auch deutlich größer gefüllt Mhm.",{"text":15544,"start":13890,"end":13932},"Dieses Jahr, wo bestimmt auch nicht wenig Geld gelassen wird, da seinen seinen Stand zu bekommen.",{"text":15546,"start":13932,"end":13950},"Ich hab da mal son bisschen nachgefragt.",{"sentences":15548,"speaker":111,"num_words":87,"start":13953,"end":13954},[15549],{"text":1341,"start":13953,"end":13954},{"sentences":15551,"speaker":87,"num_words":15558,"start":13957,"end":14032},[15552,15554,15556],{"text":15553,"start":13957,"end":13987},"Ja, also ich glaub, dafür wird das werden wir noch länger sehen, das 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