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Ein GitHub-Repo verspricht, fremde Software einfach nachzubauen. Deno geht zu Cloudflare und Apple stellt mit HomeView eine komplett neue Produktkategorie vor.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp>\u003Cem>Ihr habt noch kein Ticket für die programmier.con 2026? Dann nutzt jetzt noch die Chance und nehmt am 25. und 26. November an unserem Event rund um Web und AI teil! Mehr unter: \u003Ca href=\"https:\u002F\u002Fcon.programmier.bar\u002F\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\u002F\u002Fcon.programmier.bar\u002F\u003C\u002Fa>\u003C\u002Fem>\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp>Google hat mit \u003Ca href=\"https:\u002F\u002Fblog.google\u002Finnovation-and-ai\u002Fmodels-and-research\u002Fgemini-models\u002Fintroducing-gemini-4-argon\u002F\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Gemini 4 Argon\u003C\u002Fa> sein neues Frontier-Modell veröffentlicht und auf dem Papier sieht das stark aus. Spannender als die Zahlen finden wir aber, wie limitiert der Rollout ist.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp>Danach geht es um ein Repo, das innerhalb weniger Tage durch die Decke gegangen ist: \u003Ca href=\"https:\u002F\u002Fgithub.com\u002Fmorluto\u002Frea\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">REA\u003C\u002Fa>. Ein MCP, mit dem Agents bestehende Software reverse-engineeren und nachbauen können. Dave nimmt uns mit durch die Frage, was das für kommerzielle Software bedeutet.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp>Anschließend wird es für Jan emotional, denn \u003Ca href=\"https:\u002F\u002Fdeno.com\u002Fblog\u002Fcloudflare\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Deno geht zu Cloudflare\u003C\u002Fa> und die Arbeit an der Runtime wird in Zukunft eingestellt. \u003Ca href=\"https:\u002F\u002Fblog.cloudflare.com\u002Fdeno-joins-cloudflare\u002F\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Ryan Dahl beschreibt im Blogpost\u003C\u002Fa>, dass der größere Hebel für die Developer Experience nicht in der Runtime liegt, sondern in der Infrastruktur drumherum und genau diese Expertise will Cloudflare für Workers und Durable Objects haben.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp>Apple hat mit \u003Ca href=\"https:\u002F\u002Fwww.apple.com\u002Fapple-homeview\u002F\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">HomeView\u003C\u002Fa> eine neue Produktkategorie vorgestellt: ein Smart-Home-Hub mit Sieben-Zoll-Display. Der Haken für uns: Der Start ist auf englischsprachige Märkte beschränkt, Deutschland ist erstmal außen vor.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp>Zum Schluss gibt es Nachschub für Jans neue Rubrik „neidisch auf Windows-User:innen”: \u003Ca href=\"https:\u002F\u002Fwww.instagram.com\u002Freel\u002FDeM--triljF\u002F\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Microsoft bringt bei den neuen Surface-Geräten magnetisch gesicherte USB-C Anschlüsse\u003C\u002Fa>, die sich bei Zug lösen, statt den Rechner vom Tisch zu reißen. Ganz so elegant wie erhofft ist die Umsetzung allerdings nicht.\u003C\u002Fp>",null,"https:\u002F\u002Fwww.buzzsprout.com\u002F176239\u002Fepisodes\u002F19960391-news-42-26-gemini-4-argon-rea-reverse-engineer-anything-cloudflare-ubernimmt-deno-apple-home-view.mp3","https:\u002F\u002Fwww.youtube.com\u002Fwatch?v=rWqr6nXxcAw",{"id":16,"title":17,"description":12,"tags":12,"location":12,"filename_disk":18,"filename_download":19,"metadata":20,"type":21,"filesize":22,"modified_by":12,"modified_on":23,"embed":12,"uploaded_by":24,"uploaded_on":25,"folder":12,"width":26,"height":26,"charset":12,"duration":12},"cffd9a57-b94c-4ab0-8f25-82b0ca56155d","News Asset 42","cffd9a57-b94c-4ab0-8f25-82b0ca56155d.jpg","News-Asset 42.jpg",{},"image\u002Fjpeg","1262762","2026-10-14T09:05:56.624Z","11a655b6-bcfc-4c6c-a13c-68189e38edb9","2026-10-14T09:05:56.621Z",1500,[],[29,45,62],{"member":30},{"id":31,"first_name":32,"last_name":33,"occupation":34,"description":35,"normal_image":36},"958f6624-c721-4ff9-8a97-69148f540945","Dennis","Becker","\u002F\u002F Podcast-Host","\u003Cp>Dennis ist Head of Development bei Lotum und kümmert sich liebevoll um die Entwickler:innen und deren Weiterentwicklung. \u003Cbr>In den Podcastfolgen übernimmt Dennis gerne die Moderation. Beim täglichen Tischtennis ist er immer am Start und seit wenigen Jahren passionierter Kitesurfer. Mittlerweile ist er auch Vibe Coder mit Leidenschaft und überzeugt, dass seine Kolleg:innen AI unterschätzen. \u003C\u002Fp>",{"id":37,"title":38,"description":12,"tags":12,"location":12,"filename_disk":39,"filename_download":40,"metadata":12,"type":21,"filesize":41,"modified_by":12,"modified_on":42,"embed":12,"uploaded_by":12,"uploaded_on":43,"folder":12,"width":44,"height":44,"charset":12,"duration":12},"7a9fd72e-16b1-4283-8c1f-348a3e7986f9","Dennis Becker","7a9fd72e-16b1-4283-8c1f-348a3e7986f9.jpg","dennis_becker_normal_01e352e682.jpg","45729","2022-01-16T14:26:35.196Z","2021-12-30T14:16:28.647Z",1024,{"member":46},{"id":47,"first_name":48,"last_name":49,"occupation":50,"description":51,"normal_image":52},"11d2e9b0-4443-4287-96bc-3930b0ada739","Dave","Koschitzki","\u002F\u002F Website \u002F\u002F Podcast-Host","\u003Cp>Dave ist seit 2024 Mitglied des programmier.bar-Teams. Neben seiner Arbeit an der Website-Entwicklung bringt er frischen Wind in den Podcast und ist regelmäßig bei Meetups anzutreffen. Seine Leidenschaft für Games, die er sowohl auf der Konsole als auch am PC spielt, ist unübersehbar.\u003Cbr> \u003Cbr>Wenn er nicht gerade in virtuelle Welten eintaucht, trifft man ihn im Fitnessstudio, wo er mit Begeisterung Gewichte stemmt. Dave bereichert das Team nicht nur durch seine technischen Fähigkeiten, sondern auch durch seine vielseitigen Interessen und ansteckende Energie.\u003C\u002Fp>",{"id":53,"title":54,"description":12,"tags":12,"location":12,"filename_disk":55,"filename_download":56,"metadata":57,"type":21,"filesize":58,"modified_by":12,"modified_on":59,"embed":12,"uploaded_by":60,"uploaded_on":61,"folder":12,"width":44,"height":44,"charset":12,"duration":12},"578c2a0f-e919-4668-9cb4-f5b97252d57f","Dave CD","578c2a0f-e919-4668-9cb4-f5b97252d57f.jpg","Dave_CD.jpg",{},"675668","2024-07-29T14:46:16.725Z","e97179d2-51b3-4deb-828f-9524091441f5","2024-07-29T14:46:16.613Z",{"member":63},{"id":64,"first_name":65,"last_name":66,"occupation":67,"description":68,"normal_image":69},"47099351-508c-44d9-a2a2-855181c72ee8","Jan Gregor","Emge-Triebel","\u002F\u002F programmier.bar Tech Community Lead \u002F\u002F Podcast-Host","\u003Cp>Jan ist ein echter Technik-Fan mit einer facettenreichen Karriere, die sich über Web-, Mobile-App-Entwicklung und DevOps erstreckt. 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Wir sprechen heute über Gemini 4, über dass man heute alles Reverse Engineering kann, Dino Cloudflare Übernahme und oder andersrum, Apple hat ein paar eine komplett neue Produktkategorie vorgestellt. Und wenn am Ende Zeit bleibt, reden wir noch ein bisschen über persönliche Erfahrungen von Open AI Dots, die wir seit ein paar Tagen hier auch unter anderem im Einsatz haben. Ich bin Dennis Becker. Ich bin Dave Acker, David Krusitzky. Moin, was geht? Und ich bin Jan Krieger im Getriebe. Moin moin. So, wir haben hier im Studio, also da, wo Dave und ich sitzen und wer uns über Video sieht, das sind ja nicht so viele, aber könnt ihr mal sagen, ob ihr heute irgendwas anders ist, weil wir neues Licht haben, eine neue Kameraposition, Neue Frisur. Neue... Ich dachte, Du triggerst jetzt eher so auf auf Dave irgendwie. Das hätte das hätte ich komplett ignoriert. Das ist ja mir auch nicht aufgefallen tatsächlich. Und ja, genau, könnt ihr könnt ihr gerne Feedback zu geben. Wenn heute noch Soundprobleme sind, wir sind immer noch auf Riverside, unsere gewaltcodeelte Aufnahmeapp ist noch nicht startklar, aber hoffentlich nächste Woche dann mit zuverlässiger Audioqualität. Von daher entschuldigt bitte noch mal, falls ihr in den Folgen da ein bisschen Probleme soundtechnisch von uns hattet. Service Announcement am zweiundzwanzigsten Oktober findet das nächste statt hier in Bad Nauheim, also weil sie aus dem Rhein Main Gebiet kommt und ein bisschen was hören möchtet, über ein Lab, das an der THM entstanden ist, wo praktisch Mikrocontroller programmiert und getestet werden können, aber nicht von dort, sondern von remote, dann kommt gerne vorbei. Jakob wird, mit dem wir auch mal eine Folge hier schon über Mikrocontroller gemacht haben, wird dort einen Vortrag halten und wir würden uns über viele Gäste freuen. Und wenn ihr nicht Man muss auch nicht aus dem Rhein Main Gebiet kommen. Wir hatten ja schon Besucher so aus Köln, München, keine Ahnung, die übernehmen, alles. Ja, natürlich. Das ist richtig, aber es fällt euch natürlich 'n bisschen einfacher für einen Abend aus der Nähe zu kommen, falls ihr denkt, ah, ich würd gern vorbeikommen, aber dafür brauch ich mindestens Content von 2 Tagen. Dann haben wir den fünfundzwanzigsten und sechstenssten November für euch. Da stindet unsere Programmier Constadt. Was ist denn Wolfgang. Schön. Und es sind jetzt noch knapp, nee, knapp kann man nicht sagen, gut 10 Tickets vorhanden. Das heißt, wir haben noch 'n paar Wochen. Alle voraussicht nach werden ausverkauft sein. Von daher, wenn ihr dabei sein möchtet und das ist halt tatsächlich auch unsere Kapazitätsgrenze hier in der Location, dann müsst ihr jetzt schnell sein und euch die letzten Tickets sichern. So, Gemini 4. Ich muss 'n bisschen parteiisch sein und zumindest mal einmal sagen, dass Google mir 'n bisschen leidtut, so. Okay, krass. Weil Dafür muss man ja nicht parteiisch sein. Das, son Mitleid kann man ja immer haben. Okay, ja, mit dem, ja. Sehr empathisch, Dennis. Ja, aber das ist halt so, weil wenn man sich jetzt ein Jahr ungefähr zurückerinnert, so, im Herbst letzten Jahres waren die so der Überflieger und man halt so gesagt, ja easy, Google hat das im Griff. Da kam doch auch Germanight 3 raus. Genau, gell, ne, geilste Modelle, egal ob Videogenerierung, Video, Imagegenerierung und so weiter, alles top Notge, alles das Beste. Und dann ist es ziemlich ruhig geworden, weil ja. Und kriegen natürlich auch irgendwie viel Häme dafür und dann releasen sie was Neues und dann wird ihnen vorgeworfen, ja, das ist ja nur auf Benchmarks optimiert und jetzt sieht das wieder ganz toll aus am Ende. Hab das dann doch wieder nicht gemacht. Und ehrlicherweise, also wir haben jetzt noch keine Tests von Gemini 4, was liegt auch daran, dass der Roll out jetzt auch nicht so einfach gestaltet ist, dass man's einfach jetzt nutzen kann. Das macht's 'n bisschen kompliziert. Also ihr habt's eben, Jan, Du hast ja ganz gut zusammengefasst, was denkst Du, wo's verfügbar ist? Ich dachte nur für AI Pro und Ultimate Subscriber und auch eigentlich ja nur so richtig in Anti Gravity zu nutzen, wenn man so Power Useage haben will, ne. Genau und aber auch, glaub ich, in Enterprise, muss man mal Enterprise an, also Workspace Enterprise oder wie das auch immer heißt. Wir nennen das ja alles dauerhaft Aber ich dachte, das sind wir auch Enterprise Workspace Hat die jetzt auch noch nie? Nee, wir sind, das heißt auch irgendwie dann eher Work Teams oder Standard oder so. Wir sind da, glaub ich, auch nicht Enterprise. Also bei Cloud oder so ist Enterprise auch noch mal was anderes als hast Du ja mal Account. Ja, wo sie jetzt auch umbenannt haben, diese Germany for Work, da heißt die App jetzt auch einfach nur noch Germany. Also da weiß man auch nicht mehr, was das jetzt eigentlich tatsächlich am Ende ist, was man da bekommt. Anyway, das neue Frontiermodell von Google ist rausgekommen und es gibt auch da immer so eine Model Sheet, was sie veröffentlichen oder die Model Card nennt sich die. Und da sind sie auch, haben sie natürlich auch 'n paar Benchmarks drauf gepackt. Und rein rein nach den Zahlen ist es auf jeden Fall ein sehr, kann man sagen, ne. Das heißt, auf dem Deep SWRE Benchmark, auf dem White Code Bench, alles Mögliche, was angeht, so nennen sie, also von Walz, automation Bench. Da haben sie überall höhere Scores als die letzten so großen, also Claude als Opos 5 5, als Was glaub ich? Fehle 5, astra, Astra. Woran das liegt, dass sie das jetzt dieses Mal so sehr limitiert Verfügung stellen? Also Sie haben ja in den letzten paar Wochen, glaub ich, auch schon die Gemini 3 Pro irgendwie mehr restrittiv gehandelt, ja. Und ist das son Ding, dass Sie jetzt irgendwie anfangen wollen, damit irgendwie nennenswert Geld zu verdienen oder so was und deshalb das irgendwie so besser tieren müssen? Oder haben Sie einfach selber sonen Ressourcenkonst auf Ihrer Seite und können nicht mehr Inference für alle irgendwie bereitstellen, wie das vielleicht früher mal war? Da das ist eigentlich das, was mich an diesem Release am meisten so wundert. Gar nicht mal, wie viel besser das ist oder so, sondern wie viel weniger es zur Verfügung steht. Ich glaube, ihnen fehlt aktuell der Zugang zu den Nutzern son bisschen. Also weißt Du, Du hast halt irgendwie deine Codex App und deine Cloud App und irgendwie sind da jetzt User dran gewöhnt und da irgendwie schon relativ eingeloggt. Und ich glaube, ihnen fehlt grade noch so der Produkttake auf dem Modell, wo Sie jetzt riesig das bewerben können und sagen können, das ist neue Ding, nutzt das jetzt sofort. Ja, aber dann müssten Sie's ja für umso mehr Leute zur Verfügung stellen, dann macht ja dieses restriktivlichkeit ganz klar. Weniger Sinn. Ich weiß nicht, oder? Sie haben was in der Hinterhand und warten jetzt noch 'n bisschen und können uns dann noch 'n bisschen machen, dann kommt jetzt der große Umschlag, wo alles einfach noch mal ersetzt wird. Und gibt's nicht mehr und hast Du nicht gesehen. Ah. Baby. Baby. Ich weiß nicht. Spekulat es auch, ne. Ist auch sehr lustig, ne. Also das ist ja eher fast 'n bisschen verbuggt, kann man sagen. Ja, Dave Dave hat seine App offen und das ist der große Teaser, sie dir an fast Vielleicht 4 kann. 4 kann. Damit ich auf Los geht's und ich kann das Modell gar nicht auswählen. Ich kann nur auf 3 Punkt 6 Flash Pro und so gehen. Aber eigentlich die großen Ideen umsetzen, die wir auch, ist ja ganz nett so. Den perfekten Espresso zubereiten, tägliche Routinen verfolgen, Finanzentscheidung durchspielen. Also eigentlich alles, was andere auch können, aber irgendwie ist das jetzt deren USP an der Ja. Also ich mein, das ist irgendwie, find ich auch interessant. Ich weiß ja gar nicht, ob die Modelle explizit dafür trainiert wurden und halt einfach so als Use Case rausgepurzelt ist. Die letzten Großen von Open AI, also Astra und auch Opus 5 5 sind ja sehr gut auch in diesem physikalischen Space, also drei-d-Generierung, Blender Nutzung und so weiter geworden. Mhm. Was jetzt eben bei Argon auch so ist. Ja, ist irgendwie spannend. Ich frag mich, ob da im Hintergrund 1 gesagt hat, hey, das ist 'n guter Use Case, den sollten wir auf jeden Fall irgendwie abdecken oder einfach so, dass mit der Intelligenz sozusagen einfach dieser dieser räumlich die Räumlichkeit noch dazugekommen ist und deswegen das so gut funktioniert. Und da muss man wieder sagen, Stichwort Google und wie sie so Sachen veröffentlichen, als sie vor Monaten dieses Omnimodell wieder mal gezeigt hatten, was ja so ihr Model und das kann alles und kennt alles und so, da war ja so drei-d-Gestaltung und Rendering in Echtzeit und so war ja voll son Feature da drin. So, ja, also da da waren sie quasi schon eigentlich den anderen voraus, aber sie haben es halt nie irgendwo zugänglich gemacht so. Es war son eine coole Demo auf der Bühne, haben sie mal gesehen und demonstriert, dass sie das können und dann war's auch wieder in der Schublade verschwunden. Ich mein, auch da in dem ne, in dem Launch Artikel dazu sind sie so halt so interne Use Cases durchgegangen, was Jamlike 4 alles intern so gemacht hat. Also beispielsweise Chrome hat wohl riesige Updates bekommen. Also da sind ganz, ganz viele Dinge neu geschrieben worden und machen Dinge kleiner und schneller, schlecht zusammengefasst. Und aber auch im Bereich, ne, Science, da war ja Google oder Deep Mind schon immer relativ weit irgendwelche, ja, jetzt kommst Du zu ihnen Fallsstrukturen. Danke, Herr Alter, unser Bio Chemiker, Bio Biomatiker. Kann das besser einordnen. Genau, aber auf dieser Schiene, ne, wo sie ja irgendwie auch viel machen so im im Research, so im Hintergrund mit dem ganzen Zeug. Ja, stimmt. Ja, vielleicht haben die gesagt so, wir können gar nicht mehr mittlerweile mit und mit OpenAI konkurrieren. Wir müssen auf eine andere Schiene gehen. Können natürlich auch sein. Ja. Ich glaub, ganz überlassen werden sie sich nicht. Ich glaub, es fehlt noch son bisschen halt, ja, die die... Ist es ja auch, das wollt ich noch erwähnen, ist ja auch superinteressant in diesem, ach, Wording, keine Ahnung, Germany irgendwas Gedöns. Gibt es ja auch jetzt, dass mit drin ist. Also Google hat ja jetzt in 1 der mit als als Modellangebot. Ist ja auch irgendwie auch 'n superinteressanter Move ist. Ja. Dass sie das gemacht haben. Ja, mal gucken, wohin das geht. Und wahrscheinlich, ich mein, ich weiß nicht, wie lange Apple unterschrieben hat damals im letzten Herbst, so von wegen, wir sitzen auf Google. Oh nein. Das stimmt. Vielleicht ist das ja auch für die ausreichend, dass sie praktisch das komplette iOS Ökosystem befeuern mit ihren Modellen, dann brauchen sie gar nicht so viel machen. Vielleicht ist auch auch das 'n Kapazitätsenjagden, ne? Also ich mein, wenn viel auch von denen irgendwie von der Apple Infrastruktur jetzt da läuft, vielleicht haben die gar nicht so große Sorgen. Na Na ja, da muss man dann auch wieder sagen, ne. Also Apple stellt ja seine AI Features auch nur sehr selektiv seinen Kunden bereit. Also wenn Du nicht grade in Nordamerika wohnst, hast Du ja, bist Du quasi schon raus. Keine Features, keine Features. Ja. Von daher. Wori, apropos, es wird alles besser. Beispielsweise Apps, werden jetzt immer besser, weil man kann sie einfach sich selbst schreiben, oder? Worum geht's. Ganz genau. Also, ich jetzt son Clickbait Youtuber wär, hätte ich, glaub ich, so als Titel genommen, jede Software Open Source, ob wir meine Hände sofort aufs Gesicht halten und total schockiert gucken. Ihr nehmt das bitte als Clip für Ich wollt grad sagen. Für Social Media. Genau so. Ja, bitte genau, wenn ich das genauso haben. Nee, ich weiß nicht, also ob euer Social Media Feed davon auch total voll war, aber bei mir, also weil ich hab auch so Gaming als Interesse natürlich und total häufig Videos gesehen irgendwie, Du hast das Spiel gesehen Call of Duty und auf einmal haben die Soldaten angefangen, auf 'nem Skateboard rumzufahren und sind dann durch die Map so irgendwie auf 'nem Skateboard gefahren. Ich hab gesagt, hey, ist das 'n AI Video? Aber nee, war's nicht. Oder soll irgendwie irgendwie, dass Super Mario auf einmal in Elden Ring oder so was war. Und ich hab mir so, wieso werden diese Videos jetzt immer häufiger? Und das knüpft 'n bisschen an diese Diskussion von letzter Woche an, Dennis, die ihr hattet hier zu dritt, von wegen so, na ja, dann bau ich mir die Software halt einfach selbst. Mhm. Und das geht jetzt einfacher denn je, denn eigentlich muss man sagen, das ist 'n Reput, das auf GitHub komplett explodiert ist. Und zwar nennt sich das REA, Reverse Engineer Anything. Und das hat innerhalb von, glaub ich, jetzt der letzten Woche einfach über 200000 Sterne bekommen auf GitHub, also ist komplett wirklich senkrecht nach umgegangen, wie das zugewachsen ist. Und was ist eigentlich der Promis davon? Also mithilfe dieses Tools kann dein Agent quasi jede Software, die es draußen gibt, nachbauen. So, das ist einfach der einfache Promis, das sind MCP und da gibt's eigentlich keine Grenzen dafür, was benötigt wird, damit was nachgebaut werden kann, ne. Also natürlich normalerweise, wenn Software ausgeliefert wird, dann wird das ja kompiliert und Du hast ja dann quasi Binärcode einfach so und dein dein Rechner kann es dann halt einfach durchführen, ne. Also wir haben jetzt irgendwie beispielsweise die Native Binarys wie die Windows-Exe oder hier auf auf MacBooks die Punkt app. Mhm. Aber auch gleichzeitig natürlich, wenn wir im Browser unterwegs sind, haben wir natürlich dann irgendwie 'n bisschen auch das JavaScript dort 'n bisschen ver, wie nennt man das, score, ob scoreified. Genau oder Android APKs und so was alles. Das reicht aus, das zu Reverse engineering und daraus den gesamten Code wiederherzustellen. Das ist halt quasi, Du kannst dann einfach sagen so, hey, mir gefällt Photoshop beispielsweise, dass also grad die Adobe Produkte wurden sehr, sehr häufig dabei genannt. Photoshop find ich ganz cool, bau mir das genauso nach. Und da ist halt das Coole im Gegensatz zu dem, wie's vorher war, davor konntest Du natürlich deinem Agents sagen so, hey, bau mir mal sone Anwendung wie Photoshop nach. Aber Photoshop hat ja sehr viele Funktionen wie, keine Ahnung, 'n Weichzeichner zum Beispiel. Und ich glaub, das ist ja auch das, was grad Photoshop irgendwie cool macht, so im Sinne von, die haben irgend eine coole Funktion mathematisch dahinter, damit das wirklich gut aussieht. Und davor hat dann Agent einfach nur geraten, na ja, so wird man das mathematisch theoretisch machen. So und jetzt kann es halt genauso schauen so, hey, wie macht Photoshop das eigentlich und halt diese Funktionalität 1 zu 1 übernehmen. Gleichzeitig kann's natürlich auch sagen so, hey, ich möcht zwar Photoshop haben, aber beispielsweise Gym 3 hat die und die Funktion und die gefällt mir besser, nimmt das Bild aus Gimp 3 und macht das in meine Anwendung rein, ne. Also dass man das halt quasi wirklich 1 zu 1 übernehmen kann, was schon sehr, sehr cool ist, weil man das halt natürlich dann irgendwie in der Funktionalität nachbauen kann. Aber das natürlich 'n bisschen einzuordnen, Ja. Das ist natürlich alles kein Hexenwerk, ne. Also es ist halt 'n 'n 'n MCP, der da drin ist. Und was das eigentlich macht, ist, das verknüpft diese ganzen Tools. Also die Tools haben schon vorher existiert. Beispielsweise, was man da so in dem Bereich kennt, ist Gitra, das ist son Framework von der NSA, Software reverse zu engineeren, Hopper, IDA Pro und so was. Also also gängige Tools, die man eigentlich auch kennt und das macht sich halt jetzt quasi, also einfach nur sone Pipeline so, hey, nutzt das, da irgendwie diese Coachstelle herauszufinden. Mhm. Das, das zu interpretieren und so was alles. Und das ist natürlich jetzt superconvenient, muss an der Stelle nicht raten, wie's halt irgendwie umgesetzt wird. Und das Gute ist, was was an an diesem REA megagut funktioniert, dass es sich selbst ganz Zeit im Loop hält, ne, weil das hat ja quasi ganze Zeit das Original und weiß, oh, guck mal, die Funktionalität sieht so aus, ich bau das nach, sieht es jetzt genauso aus oder mach das Ergebnis genau dasselbe? Wenn ja, dann ist gut, wenn nein, okay, dann iterier ich noch mal weiter rum und schau noch mal tiefer in den Code. Und das ist natürlich sehr, sehr cool. Du sahst grade so aus, als würdest Du aber was sagen wollen. Noch ist es mir... Ich weiß gar nicht, wie ich da... Es hört sich sehr positiv an bei dir, aber erzähl erst mal weiter. Ja, ich, genau. Also das das Ding ist, also weil ich ja auch irgendwie sehr plakativ jetzt auch am Anfang gesagt hab, also jede Software ist jetzt Open Source und da können wir den Raum die Fragen natürlich stellen, ist jetzt Software as a Service irgendwie tot? Und da muss man ganz realistisch einfach mit, ich sag mal, 'nem Jein antworten, denn also man weiß ja auch Ein ganz entschiedenes Jein, ganz, ganz entschiedenes Jein, so zu 0 Prozent Jein. Nee, also man muss ja auch sagen so, also das eine ist ja natürlich, wenn man Funktionalität in der Anwendung hat, die außerhalb dieses Frontend Kontext ist, dann also dann weiß der Agent natürlich trotzdem weiterhin nicht, was da ist, ne. Also der sieht zum Beispiel, hey, okay, an der Stelle wird eine Anfrage gestellt an den Server, was da dahintersteckt beim Server, wenn da irgendwelche Sachen irgendwie verarbeitet werden, weiß der Agent ja trotzdem nicht, ne. Beispielsweise ich glaub, also Photoshop hat ja auch jetzt die Funktionalität, dass man ja auch KI nutzen kann, irgendwas zu erweitern. Mhm. Das wird ja an den Server geschickt und dann kommt 'n Ergebnis zurück. Also die Magie dahinter kann man dann nicht nachbauen so. Das müsste man dann selbst noch mal irgendwie schlauer machen. Alle Apps werden jetzt einfach nur noch Serveranwender haben. Genau. Also das ist auch so, also viel, also vielleicht, tun wir auf, also vielleicht nimmt man das alles son bisschen weiter hoch in in die in die Cloud oder aufm Server so, einfach zu verhindern, dass das halt dann kopiert wird, so. Also ist die Frage, ob das wirklich dann die Zukunft ist, einfach nur den Code wirklich zu schützen. Ja, aber er macht ja Software Service schon so. Also die allermeisten von diesen Anwendungen liegen ja zu 'nem gewissen Teil schon irgendwo in der Wolke, ja. Stimmt. Aber ist das, also grad bei Adobe Produkten hab ich gedacht, die kann ich auch alle offline nutzen. Also es ist schon sehr lange her, dass ich die benutzt habe tatsächlich. Ja. Aber damals so, keine Ahnung, jegliche Funktionalität, also konnt ich ja auch einfach offline benutzen. Also ich hab Adobe Audition benutzt und meine ganze Musik damit zu bearbeiten, das hab ich ja alles offline gemacht. Und das könnte man ja damit nachstellen. Das heißt, die Funktionalität muss ja auf meinem Rechner sein an der Stelle. Weißt Du, ob dieser große Adobe Klon, der so total viral gegangen ist mit diesen Produkten, hatte hatte der das auch schon im Hintergrund gebracht? Genau, das ist, glaub ich, so das, was daraus hervorgehen, dieses, ne, also eigentlich jedes Produkt von Adobe wurd irgendwas mit Fotocraft, Musiccraft und so was alles Ja. Glaub ich gemacht. Genau, das ist, glaub ich, daraus entstanden so. Das war das ganz große Ding. Genau, was aber auch Hast Du irgendwas gelesen, Dave, wie teuer das jetzt so ist? Also ich stell mir das halt schon, also auch wenn es voll automatisiert vor, als also unglaublich komplexe Arbeit irgendwie vor, ja? Ja. Wo ich da, weiß nicht, Hunderte Millionen von Tokens irgendwie durchballern muss, bis da irgendwas passiert. Hast Du irgendwas da gefunden? Genau, also ich ich ich wollt das erst mal selbst ausprobieren, da mir son eigenes Bild zu machen, aber hab's leider jetzt nicht geschafft, weil das jetzt relativ frisch ist. Also ist so quasi Anfang der Woche, am Montag ist er so durch die Decke gegangen. Aber ich hab hier einzeln dort paar Videos von Leuten angeschaut, die, ich sag mal so, mittelkomplexe Anwendungen nachgebaut haben, also etwas, womit Du deinen Desktop recorden kannst, irgendwie dann beispielsweise den Mauszeiger schön animieren, Übergänge machen, dich selbst dabei filmen und so was alles und das noch mal zu schneiden. Also ist schon gutes Stück Software, aber natürlich nicht überkomplex. Und da muss man sagen, das hat sich dann in 'nem Bereich bewegt von so, ich sag mal, 100 bis 120 Dollar an Token, die da verbraucht wurden, wo halt quasi die also die Großteil des einfach genau dafür drauf gegangen ist. Und da muss man aber natürlich das auch 'n Verhältnis setzen, ne. Das ist dann etwas, okay, Du gibst dann halt einmalig für deine Software 100 bis 120 Dollar aus. So, dann steht sie, Du kannst es natürlich customizen und Du musst natürlich kein monatliches Abo zahlen an der Stelle, ne. Das ist natürlich dann die Schlussfolgerung. Weil ich sag mal, auch generell bei Software hier draußen Konsumenten hassen diesen Trick. Ja, aber also vielleicht vielleicht ist das son bisschen philosophisch an der Stelle, ne. Aber ich sag mal, bei dieser ganzen KI Geschichte, wir reden ja sehr viel darüber so, Jobsicherheit werden grad die ganze Softwareentwickler durch AI ersetzt. Und auf der anderen Seite so, ich sag mal, die Unternehmen waren in Anführungszeichen nicht so ganz bedroht, aber jetzt, sag mal diesen Befreiungsschlag von wegen so, hey, ich bin nicht mehr an die Preispolitik von den ganzen Unternehmen irgendwie daran gebunden. So, ich sag zum Beispiel, hey, Adobe hat's wieder 10 Euro erhöht für 'n Monat so, ich ich seh's nicht irgendwie ein. Na ja, dann mach ich mir die Anwendung selbst und schneidest da auf meine Bedürfnisse hinzu, ne, dass ich sage so, hey, 80 Prozent der Anwendung nutz ich nicht. Ich mach da son Slim Ding aus 20 Prozent. Kann mir das so selbst bauen? Ja, ist halt irgendwie wenn Du in den 20 Prozent drin bist, wahrscheinlich schon, ne. Aber ich hab jetzt auch grade zu diesen Adobe Nachbauten son paar Blogposts gelesen, die halt auch gesagt haben, so wow, cooler Proof of Concept, aber so produktiv täglich nutzen wollen, würd ich das jetzt halt auch irgendwie nicht, ne. Weil halt auch noch sehr viele grobe Ecken da irgendwie dann drin sind. Ja, genau. Also das ist, glaub ich, auch das Entscheidende so. Ich glaub, Unternehmen werden auch da son bisschen zu gezwungen, halt weiterhin trotzdem irgendwie die zu bieten. Also entweder, dass man so merkt, hey, das ist wirklich besser oder dass man sagt so, hey, natürlich, Du kannst dein eigenes Produkt machen, aber wir machen ganze Zeit Updates, wir verbessern das, wir machen neue Features und so, ne. Ich mein, ich sag, also wir machen ja hier Mobile Games bei Lotum und wir sind ja genauso davon betroffen, ne. Man kann das ja auch quasi unsere Spiele wirklich schnell kopieren, sag ich mal. Aber wir haben ja auch grade so, wenn ich jetzt von von unserem Produkt Wordpress rede so, wir haben natürlich eine große Userbasis, ist grade bei 'nem sozialen Spiel total wichtig, dass ihr mit Leuten irgendwie interagieren kannst, spielen kannst. Wir haben natürlich auch irgendwie grad, wir benutzen Wörterbuch für unsere Wörter so, das ist ja auch immer gepflegt und geupdatet. Da sind ja noch sehr, sehr viele Sachen, die dann weiter im Hintergrund sind und wir machen regelmäßig Updates. Das ist ja der Grund, warum dann Leute dann sagen, hey, okay, euer Produkt ist ja wirklich besser, Ich ich benutz es weiterhin, anstatt mir mein eigenes Produkt damit zu machen. Aber grade für so, glaub ich, so kleinere Software, die halt wirklich nur son Frontend bisschen was macht und so, ich glaub, das wird schnell davon ersetzt werden. So eine kleine Podcast Aufnahmesoftware, die irgendwie nicht gut funktioniert, die die sehe ich richtig bedroht hier schon, ja, von den Leuten, die Aber ich hab's nicht beim Controlling ankommen und das nervt. Ich hab's nicht reverse engineered immerhin. Nee, nee, das wollt ich auch gar nicht bauen. Das ist halt Ganz neu genau dieser Scope von genau diese Größe, die da am meisten gefährdet ist. So Software, für die Du vielleicht so zwischen 10, 20 Euro bezahlst und die so einen sehr speziellen Use Case für dich bedient, das ist Ja. Wobei ich's technisch schon sehr, also eher komplex finde, muss ich sagen. Also diese Aufnahme App. Da sind ja da sind ja jetzt schon sehr, sehr viele Dinge, die passieren. Ja. Mit Video Encoding, Hardware auswählen, online speichern, nach oben buffern, Ausbrüche aus Ausfälle und so weiter. Also da ist ja jetzt schon, also technisch hätt ich hätt ich da vor ohne ohne KI sehr, sehr viel Respekt gehabt. Ich mein, das ist auch eine Disziplin, von der Du wenig Ahnung hast, ne, also mit Audioengineering, Videoentcoding und so. Das ist ja, also das ist ja nicht dein, es ist ja nicht dein, Du hast es ja nicht gelernt. Na ja, was hab ich studiert, mein Lieber? Ja, das ist ja Dennis ja mit mit... Oh Gott. Gut, ich hab nichts gesagt. Das schneiden wir einfach gleich raus. Ob jetzt, ne, Aktie von Adobe im letzten Monat 10 Prozent runtergegangen, also schon relativ... Ob das jetzt direkt damit zusammenhängt, weiß man nicht, aber Ja. Ja. Da hat natürlich alles Einfluss. Ja, das stimmt. Also und mich mich würd's auch mal interessieren, also schreibt uns gerne auch mal, falls ihr jetzt inspiriert worden seid von diesem Tool, das mal zu nutzen, einfach so, was eure Anwendungsfelder für sind und wie gut das funktioniert hat. Also ich will's auf jeden Fall selbst auch noch mal ausprobieren jetzt im Laufe der Woche. Hast Du schon eine Idee? Hab ich noch nicht, hab ich noch nicht. Ich was Storyverse unbedingt. Das muss Vielleicht die Programmier Neue Aufnahme. Programmierpunkt Rack. Bessere Daumen Ganz doofe Frage, Dave. Vielleicht bist Du da auch so Ja. Bescheuert. Ich weiß das auch nicht. Darf darf man das einfach so? Also wenn ich jetzt hier son son Softwarefaket hab, egal ob, ne, Executable oder son Package oder irgendwas, den ich sag jetzt, ich will da irgendwas mit machen. Ist das ist das okay? Na na ja, also wahrscheinlich steht in den Lizenzen irgendwo drin so, hey, das ist nicht erlaubt. Ich kann mir auch gut vorstellen, dass die jetzt in Zukunft irgendwas reinschreiben in die Codebasis, dass Agenten draufstoßen, so Agenten draufstoßen und so, ja okay, das soll ich doch nicht machen, weil ich gegen irgendwas verstoße, also und aus, ob das irgendwie darüber gefixt wird. Aber man muss ja auch ehrlicherweise sagen, also würde ich damit ein Konkurrenzprodukt auf den Markt bringen? Auf gar keinen Fall. So, ne, das ist natürlich, also irgendwie so, keine Ahnung. Das wär auch 'n bisschen dumm. Das wär genau son bisschen so. Morgen publish stellen. 5 Bilder, 2 Wörter. Ja, genau. Aber aber ich sag mal, ne, also Photoshop hast Du ja für dich selbst benutzt und Du hast ja nicht mit anderen Leuten interagiert. Und wenn Du halt lokal bei dir privat einfach so was wie Photoshop nutzt so, also da kriegt ja kein Haar nach so. Ja. Das ist ja etwas, womit niemand interagiert. Und genau, gleichzeitig so, ich sag mal, sone Plattform wie Instagram, das kannst ja auch, also ich glaub, dafür bräuchtst Du das Tool nicht mal. Du kannst natürlich jetzt schon 'nem Agent vor 'nem halben Jahr oder Jahr sagen so, hey, bau mir so was wie Instagram nach. Aber die Plattform hat ja keinen Erfolg, weil sie davon lebt ja, dass Leute da drauf kommen oder die muss halt irgendwas besser machen. Und dann hast Du ja schon ein Alleinstellungsmerkmal, wenn Du halt die Upgrades machst. Deswegen Bei Instagram kannst Du halt jetzt auch sagen, da liegt natürlich die größte Magie auf den Servern, die Du nicht revers an den Link. Genau. Und das ist, genau. Ja. Genau. Ja, das ist halt so sehr viel, ne. Also man muss ja halt immer schauen, aber ich glaub halt Dinge, die einfach deinen Alltag erleichtern, wo Du das halt nur für dich persönlich nutzt, da kann dir ja quasi niemand was sagen so. So hast Du halt einfach selbst für dich gebaut. Du verteilst diese Software nicht so, nutzt es nur für dich selbst. Wer soll sich da beschweren? Befreit euch, Kameraden. So. Wer wurde auch befreit aus aus seinen Freiheiten? Ja. Aus seinen Fängen? Aus seinen Fängen? Aus seinen eigenen Fängen. Dino. Ich bin traurig. Ich wollt sagen, Jan, also jetzt lohnt sich die Kamera anzuschalten, weil Jan hat schon 5 Tränen im Gesicht. Also die offizielle Überschrift war Dino ist Joining Cloudflair. Also und das geht darum, dass... Also ich find diese Formulierung immer, ne, soundso Joint soundso, die werden halt übernommen und gekauft. Also also das muss man ja auch irgendwie nicht schönreden. Wieso, jetzt haben Sie die großen Möglichkeiten, die Sie vorher nicht hatten, endlich mal das Beste aus dem Produkt rauszuholen? Ganz genau. Genau. Jetzt mit der mit der Kasse von Cloudflyer immer irgendwie richtig Spaß haben im Dino Projekt. Darüber hätte ich mich auch sehr gefreut, wenn Sie nicht Dino eingestampft hätten im Das Beste, was ich dir das Produkt passieren konnte. Sorry, 3. Alter. Alles gut. Alles gut. Also vielleicht einmal die TLDA Version vorab. Dino Deploy, was so ihre Server Runtime Infrastruktur für Dino Projekte war, wird in den nächsten 6 Monaten abgeschaltet. Dino selbst, das Runtime Projekt wird in dem nächsten Jahr abgeschaltet, kriegt bis dahin noch son paar Security Patches und JSA, was ja so ihr Versuch war, eine neue, modernere Alternative zu NPM zu schaffen, die wird weiter betrieben und von von Cloudflair übernommen. So, und ich muss sagen, der Teil macht mich erst mal super traurig, ich fand Dino von der Developer Experience und von der Toolchain, die da so mitgekommen ist, eigentlich immer supercool und hat für mich genau die Probleme gelöst, die ich eigentlich immer mit diesem elenden JavaScript Ökosystem gehabt hab, ich mich halt so viel irgendwie selber kümmern muss und nichts standardmäßig so vorgegeben wird von dem Ökosystem, ja? Ich musste irgendwie selber, brauchst Du hier 'n Linter und da 'n Transpider und keine Ahnung, irgendwie was alles. Und Dino hat sich ja das alles gekümmert. Du konntest direkt dein Projekt starten, sagen, hier, Dino Run und fertig. Und das fand ich irgendwie immer sehr, sehr starten, sagen hier, Dino Run und fertig. Und das fand ich irgendwie immer sehr, sehr. Und ich find's schade, dass es das dann so nicht mehr geben wird. So. Warum hat Cloudfair aber so viel Interesse an Dino und Dino ja auch irgendwie Interesse scheinbar an Cloudflair, weil es wär ja keine feindliche Übernahme oder so was, sondern die haben's da ja schon geeinigt. Und zwar gibt's da von Ryan Dahl, dem Macher von NoJS und dem Macher von Dino auch 'n coolen Blogpost, wo er son bisschen schreibt, na ja, Dino war ja schon so sein Versuch, die Developer Experience irgendwie cooler zu machen. Aber er hat halt im Laufe der Arbeit an Dino halt auch gemerkt, dass das Tooling die herum eigentlich nur 'n begrenzter Hebel ist, weil bei modernen Anwendungen halt viel, viel mehr auf Infrastrukturseite eigentlich liegt, mit Server, mit Datenbank, mit Edge Distribution, mit hast Du alles nicht gesehen. Und deshalb hat ja auch Dino immer mehr in dieser Richtung gemacht. Sie haben Dino deploy gemacht, sie haben Dino Key value gemacht, eine Datenbank anbieten zu können und so weiter und so fort. Und je länger Sie halt daran gearbeitet haben, desto mehr haben Sie gesehen, okay, das ist eigentlich der viel größere Hebel, mit dem wir uns beschäftigen wollen und sollen, halt eben da developern wirklich noch mal was leichter machen zu können. Und gar nicht mal so unbedingt die. Insbesondere auch, weil sie grade in den letzten Jahren natürlich auch gesehen haben, dass diese harte Abweichung von now j s an manchen Stellen, weil sie wirklich andere potenziell bessere Entscheidungen treffen wollten, oftmals gar nicht so möglich war, ja. Also Dino hat ja erst dann wirklich gut funktioniert oder ist dann erst wirklich angenommen worden, als sie diese hundertprozentige, ich sag mal, Abwärtskompatibilität mit now js wiederhergestellt hatten, so die's ja von Anfang an eigentlich nicht gab, ganz bewusst nicht gab, so. Und dann haben sie sich, glaub ich, schon son bisschen gefühlt wie, na ja, jetzt haben wir doch wieder diese No JS Kette irgendwie am Bein und müssen das alles mitziehen. Also versuchen wir uns mehr auf Infrastrukturseite irgendwie verdient zu machen. Und das war natürlich dann der Moment, wo auch 'n Cloudflare draufgucken kann und sagt, okay, wenn ihr euch darum kümmern wollt, Edge Computing, Caching, Infrastruktur, Deployment und bla, dann seid ihr natürlich bei uns irgendwie sehr gut aufgehoben, weil das ist im Prinzip auch viel von dem, was was wir so machen, ja. Cloudflare beschreibt in dem Blogpost, wir verlinken das hier auch noch mal, Sie haben auch 'n Blogpost veröffentlicht, so ihre Arbeit an Cloudflare Workern, an diesen, na, wie haben Sie's genannt? Diesen neuen, den Sie vorgestellt haben. Und da sagen sie halt, okay, da können wir halt sehr von dem profitieren, was Ryan und das Dinoteam in letzter Zeit gebaut haben. Und committen sich trotzdem natürlich auch noch mal dazu, dass viel von der Arbeit irgendwie auch weiterhin Open Source bleiben wird. So, weil das ja immer gerne so der Vorwurf in Richtung Cloudflare ist. Ja, hier werden irgendwie Cloudflare Workers gebaut und Du kannst es aber nur wirklich nutzen, wenn Du deine halbe Anwendung darauf optimierst, dass sie quasi auf Workers läuft und dann ist sie aber sehr wenig portabel hin zu anderen runtimes wieder und so weiter und so fort. Und deshalb haben wir gesagt, nee, wir versuchen da mehr mit Open Source irgendwie zu machen, damit dieser Lock in Effekt oder dieser Lock in Gedanke da irgendwie nicht entsteht und das ist jetzt auch 'n Teil von dem, was das Dino Team da eben tun soll. Also ich sag mal, ich bin immer noch son bisschen traurig, aber wenn Sie diesen Hebel bei Cloudflare wirklich so nutzen wie da beschrieben, dann kann da trotzdem noch was Cooles rauskommen. Ich hätte mir trotzdem gewünscht, dass Deno weiter meinteint wird. Sie lassen das ja alles open source, vielleicht übernimmt das ja irgendjemand anderes. Wo ist sie? Schauen wir mal. Das heißt, nur noch mal zusammengefasst, das heißt Cloudflare hatte eigentlich das primäre Interesse, dass die einfach dieses Wissen vom Dino Team übernehmen und quasi, also das Team war das Wichtige bei der User Übernahme. Ja, also es geht ihnen nicht darum, dass sie die Dino Runtime jetzt irgendwie nehmen wollen und dadurch die ausbauen wollen oder so was, sondern eher die Expertise und die Ideen, die das Dino Team hatte, auf Infrastrukturseite jetzt noch was zu machen. Das ist eigentlich das, was Sie haben wollen. Ironischerweise ist die Dino runtime selbst gefühlt nur son Byproduct, an dem grade keiner mehr so wirklich Interesse zu haben scheint, ja? Auch wenn sie damit irgendwie angefangen haben. Yes. Also Dinos sterben wieder aus, scheinbar. Na, oh, schöner schöner Abschlusssatz, also auch wenn er traurig ist, aber trotzdem sehr schön gewählt. Du hast auch immer mehr so geklatscht bei einem Land vor unserer Zeit oder so, gell? Oh ja, oh mein Gott, ich hab das geliebt. Ich hab wirklich, ich hab das als Kind, ich hab das alles geschaut und dann war's irgendwann vorbei. Nicht die Mama. Nein, das war nur dein Dinos. Das ist der Dinos, oder? Nee, ja, oh, das macht gar nicht tatsächlich. Aber das ist wie gut deine dein Humor eigentlich. Das stimmt eigentlich schon. Wir waren in deinem Land vor unserer Zeit und dann weiß ich noch, wie bei Super RTL dann irgendwann der letzte Film war und dann war das vorbei und dann hieß es so, das war's jetzt mit den Dinos. Und ich hab als Kind so geheult, weil ich das so geliebt habe. Ich dachte mir so, ich hab jede jede Woche jeden Freitag 18 Uhr lief das immer so und ich hab ich hab darauf hingefiebert, ne. Und dann gab's ja kurz das Sidequest, weil Dennis grade die andere Dinoserie angesprochen hat mit hier Nicht die Mama und so. Nicht die Mama. Wisst ihr, wie das endet? Diese diese Serie, die ist ja relativ kurz. Ja, das ist doch doch doch mit diesem quasi Ultrakapitalismus, die Dinos gehen unter, alles ist, ich glaub, Kälteschock, so. Kälteschock, alle sterben aus, Klimawandel kommt und rafft die Dinos dahin. Genau. Also für Kinder voll krass. Im Nachhinein denk ich auch so, okay, das... Ja, und das war, also also Kapitalismuskritik, ne, so von denen so Ja. Werden immer mehr und mehr gepumpt und so. Ja. Ja, ja, das war so düster, düsteres Ende wirklich. Ja. Und ist auch, also filmisch einfach so, ne? Es zoomt so aus dem Haus raus und Du siehst so, alle sitzen sie da, die Kältewelle überfällt so dieses Haus und dann cut zu schwarz, fertig, so. Okay. Gänsehaut, Gänsehaut. Ah ja. Gut. Dennis, von der Kapitalismuskritik zu Apple. Ich seh, der Übergang ist auch perfekt an der Stelle laut. Sehr gut, ah, sehr gut. Ja, ich wollt grad sagen, es passiert ja nicht so häufig, dass Apple neue Gerätekategorien rausbringt. Jetzt haben wir natürlich das iPhone Duo erst vor wenigen Wochen gehabt und trotzdem spannend, dass jetzt was Neues rauskam. Aber das war doch eigentlich so Apple Modus der letzten 15 Jahre, oder? Nichts Neues rauszubringen. Nein, nein, immer was Neues rauszubringen. So, ich mein, ne, dass Du irgendwann noch... Ja, also die AirPods, also grade dann auch diese Over Eers, dann die Smartwatches, die gibt's ja auch gar nicht so lange. Also alles im letzten Jahrzehnt so entstanden. Ah, okay. Oder? Also wenn wir's die letzten 15 Jahre angucken, dann hat dann hat Apple richtig viel neuere. Ja, genau. Deswegen. Und das ist ja... Es ist schon wieder eine Frage. Es ist Zeithorizont. Genau. Musst Du mal gucken, auf auf was man das Ganze... Genau. Also, es gibt ein neues Produkt, das nennt sich Home View. Bevor jetzt die Apple jünger zu aufgeregt werden, direkte Disclaimer, ah, nutzen englischsprachige Nutzer. Englischsprachig oder nur Nordamerika? Englischsprachig. Also, es kommt in Nordamerika und irgendwie, weiß nicht was, Australien und aber 'n bisschen später dann auch in UK. UK. So was wie UK, Indien meine ich. Also son paar Sachen kommen dann schon noch. Ja. Aber es liegt auch vor allen Dingen an, was damit daherkommt. Also, der heißt das Ganze und das ist eigentlich, ich glaub schon, was lange irgendwie einige lange erwartet haben oder gehofft haben, dass es von Apple mal kommt, ist sonen Alexa oder wie heißen die von Google? Google hat so was? Mhm. Google home heißen die einfach nur, ne? Ja, ist gut. Oder der Google Lautsprecher oder wie auch immer. Was haben wir? Wir haben ein Display und einen Lautsprecher und der hat so sehr Apple iconic designmäßig, wie so die alten, weiß gar nicht was, das war 'n iMax oder so, aber auf jeden Fall son son Display, was man nur rumstellen kann. Ja, sieht sieht nett aus und ist dafür gedacht, hat 'n sehr, sehr schönes Introvideo, das lohnt es sich mal anzugucken, weil das eine chaotische gedacht, hat 'n sehr, sehr schönes Introvideo, das lohnt es sich mal anzugucken, weil das eine chaotische Familie, die an einem Morgen sehr amerikanisch alles irgendwie über den Hof wirft und das noch erledigen muss. Und keiner und jeder spricht halt die ganze Zeit mit diesem Gerät und will sein, hat seine persönliche Experience mit diesem Gerät. Mhm. Ich glaube, das ist auch so eine der Haupt oder eine der besonderen Funktionalitäten. Das ist halt, wenn Du in diesem Apple Ökosystem drin bist, dann ist es eine sehr schöne Ergänzung, denn das Teil erkennt einfach bis zu, ich glaub, 6 Personen, hat den persönlichen Kontext von allen, ist da auch wieder so Privacy first by Design. Das heißt, wenn ich jetzt irgendwo mit meiner Frau zu Hause bin, dann kann ich nicht per se einfach auf ihren Kalender oder ihre Nachrichten lesen oder so was, sondern das erkennt halt, wer grade mit ihm spricht und wer da da ist. Mhm. Ja, und es ist vor allen Dingen halt für so Dinge, also so World Knowledge, man kann halt einfach Siri irgendwelche Sachen fragen in der gewohnten Siri Qualität. Also nicht gut, nicht gut und hat Unzeit, ne? Aber Ja, genau. Mittlerweile neue Siri AI, wenn Du's ordentlich nutzen kannst, die macht schon coole Sachen. Weil ich hab das, glaub ich, letztens irgendwie verwendet, weil ich einfach überprüfen wollte, ob die Aubergine in meinem Kühlschrank noch gut ist und dann gibt's ja diesen diesen KI Moment mit der Kamera. Ja. Der der hat, meine Aubergine hatte gedacht, das wär 'n Weißkohl oder so. Und ich so, hä? Was soll das? Ja, also ich weiß gar nicht. Deine Aubergine in die Kamera halten. Ja, meine Aubergine und dann alle verteilt. Weißkohl. Vor bei deinem Instagram. Genau. Spitzkohl. Es gibt letztendlich halt 'n komplett neues Interface, ne, was da einhergeht, weil es ist 'n quadratischer Bildschirm und das ist dafür optimiert. Man kann 'n Timer stellen, man kann Fotos angucken, man kann Messages, Kalender, Musik, Speaker soll ganz toll sein, obwohl's 'n sehr kleines Gerät ist. Wenn man's erst mal sieht auf den Bildern, denkt man, oh, ist ja vielleicht gar nicht mal so klein, aber wenn man 'n iPhone dagegen hält, ist es auch mal gar nicht mal so groß. Es hat 'n 7 inch Display. Das heißt so, in der Höhe ist es weniger hoch als ein iPhone. Mhm. Und ja, Gesamtfläche vielleicht ähnlich oder so. Aber es ist halt jetzt, es ist es ist nicht riesig, wenn man sich das irgendwo hinstellt und braucht eine Stromverbindung. In den Werbevideos ist einfach in den Esstisch ein Loch gebohrt und da kommt direkt ins Kabel raus so. Das ist kann ab jetzt jeder einfach da reinbauen. Und das Ganze gibt's aber auch in 1 Version, die man direkt an die Wand schrauben kann. Also das heißt, da ist dann dieser Speakersonkel praktisch nicht drin, halt so Hausautomatisierung, Dashboard, Kamera, Türklingel, solche Sachen irgendwie zu haben. Mhm. Der beste Apple Move übrigens auch wieder, ne, dass der Preis gleich ist, egal ob Du diese Speaker Base hast oder dieses Wall Mount System, so kostet Bei dem Wall Mount ist das vielleicht ganz toll hinten noch integriert oder so? Weiß ich nicht. Ja. Kostet 300 Dollar das Ding, also ist halt so als Hausautomatisierung in jedem Raum sich zu hängen. Aber ich mein, läuft halt, ist flüssig, ist ganz cool. Natürlich so was wie Apple, nicht Apple, FaceTime Calls sind damit auch möglich. Das heißt, man hat eine Kamera, hier die Kurze Fragen, weil Du den Preis von 300 Dollar gesagt hast. Ich hab gar keine Ahnung, wie das wie viel das von Amazon oder von Google kostet. Amazon hatte ich irgendwie echt so 30, 40 Euro im Kopf, also recht günstig. Ja, also diese Alexa Dinger, also mit Display, die Dinger sind, glaub ich, schon auch teurer. Ach, die gibt's auch mit Display. Ja. Ah, okay, weil das das mir das wär so was Neues so, dass die 'n Display haben, weil das ich die Alexa nur quasi als wirkliche Station nur mit Soundausgabe. Gut immerhin, ich hab son uraltes Alexa Ding. Das gab's nun bei irgend sonem Prime Day oder so was Kostenlos dazu. Ja, eigentlich. Son Echo Echo Echo 5 heißt das ja, glaub ich. Also, up, 'n Display und da ist jetzt auch die neue Alexa, die Alexa Plus oder wie sie heißt. Ah, okay. Die kann man jetzt tatsächlich auch recht natürlich mit ihr sprechen. Also es ist wirklich deutlich besser geworden. Mhm. Und find ich auch cool, dass es auf sonem alten Gerät wie dem Main noch läuft. Ach, geil. Ja, das soll jetzt die die grundsätzlichen Informationen erst mal, würd ich dazu sagen, Fragen. Wann kommt's raus? Falls, na ja, also hier gar nicht. Und in Amerika am dreizehnten November. Dreizehnter November, ah, okay. Genau. Ja. Und dann gab's aber noch 'n paar Updates, aber brauchen wir, glaub ich, nicht groß drüber sprechen. Es gibt 'n neuen HomePod mini und wo alle darauf gewartet haben, das neue Apple TV 4 k. Genauso wie das alte Apple TV 4 k, eigentlich sehr ähnlich. Du kannst jetzt deine Fernbedienung mit diesem dieser Technik, dass man wie son AirTag kannst Du die Fernbedienung aufm Sofa genau lokalisieren, falls Du dich wieder in der Ritze was grade hast. Ja, aus reinlassen. Oh, das ist so gut. Ja, gut, das ist das Feature. Ja. Und Apple TV, auch schlappe schlappe 350 Euro, die man dafür blechen darf. Also falls Du mal upgraden willst, easy. Aber sorry, was ist dieses Apple TV, das ist nur dieses Abo, wie so Netflix oder so, dieses Apple TV? Nee, Apple TV ist diese Set up Box, diese Apple diese, wie nennt man sowas? Ja, Set Streamingbox. So, die Streamingbox. Auch für son paar. Wieso dieser Amazon Firestick oder so? Richtig. Ach, okay und dafür ist das. Ja. Okay. Aber auch da würd ich sagen, gleichmäßig von... Ich hab 1 und ich bin auch happy, es zu haben und mag auch Interface und alles und so. Apple TV, Ding hast Du Apple TV, ja. Und ich hab aber son altes und das funktioniert die Familie auch nicht mehr richtig und so. Ich hätte schon Lust auf 'n Neues, aber ich hab keine Lust, 350 Euro für 'n Neues auszugeben. Du kannst auch einfach eine neue Family kaufen, wenn dir jetzt das Ding erst was anfängt, Probleme zu machen. Ich steu ich steu's über mein iPhone mal hauptsächlich. Ja, ja. Ist da nicht so. Aber ich benutz meinen Apple TV auch tatsächlich als mein primäres Device. Also wenn der Fernseher bei mir angeht, ist Apple TV erst mal das, was quasi kommt. Und darüber gehen wir dann zu anderen Genau, ich hab auch nur Apple TV als Kurz als Quelle. Kurz nur für mich, weil ich's ja gar nicht nutze. Was ist so das, was ihr richtig geil darin findet, dass ihr's nutzt? Also ich hab Ey, ich mein es ist halt eine iPhone Experience in was Flüssigkeit und Apps angeht aufm Aufm Screen. Ah, okay. Ah, okay. Das performt einfach. Ja. Genau, also weil ich benutze die, also ich hab 'n Samsung Fernseher, hab die Samsung OS, so wie es magisch ist und so. Und ich kann genauso mit diesem Apple TV kann ich quasi durch meine Channels durchrotieren Ja, und und dann halt so was weggucken, deine ganzen Apps und so was Du hast, aber halt in in coolflüssigen. Und ja. Ah, okay. Genau, und wenn Du halt zum Beispiel, also wir haben ja auch Fernseher hier über Telekom, dieses Magenta TV Ding und die haben halt auch eine App aufm Apple TV und die performt dann einfach so viel krasser, wenn die aufn Apple TV läuft, als wenn ich quasi aufm Fernseher Fernseher gucken würde oder mit der magentabox das irgendwie machen würde. Oh nein. Und allein diese Performance und das angenehme Gefühl war mir halt das Geld für den Apple TV schon wert. Wobei man da sagen muss, ich glaub, als ich den gekauft hab, ne, Dennis Sán ist ja auch schon 'n bisschen älter. Ich glaub, damals haben die so 150, 160 irgendwie so die Größe die halt so bei 100, ja. Ja. Ja, so für 300 ist es natürlich schon eine Ansage, so. Ja, aber also ich ich versteh, aber versteh schon so irgendwie, wenn man mit dem OS des Fernsehers irgendwie nicht zufrieden ist. Ich find die meistens wirklich schlecht tatsächlich und dann sagt, hey, okay, da hab ich 'n cooles OS. Ja, okay, so. Aber ich glaube halt, dass diese Firesticks und so, die gibt's ja auch noch und die sind ja auch einigermaßen performant. Google hat die ja auch so und die sind halt deutlich günstiger. Ja, ja, genau. Also Von daher. Ja. Na ja, wie halt alles außer der schönen Apple Welt. Apple. Ja. Integration von the way. Setou. Setou. Würde ich fast sagen, oder? Was sagt die Zeit, oder? 14. 14 Minuten, ja, komm. Reden wir das nächste Mal über Dots. Wunderbar. Ich hab noch einen ganz coolen Punkt, weil ich vor 2 Wochen, als ich das letzte Mal in den News war, hat ja son Punkt mitgebracht, so, Jan ist neidisch auf Windows User wegen diesen haptischen Mäusen, falls ihr euch erinnert. Ja. Ich mach da jetzt eine Kategorie drauf. Ich bin nämlich schon wieder neidisch auf Windows User. Machen wir jetzt immer am Ende der Sendung so, was fehlt? Vorher son bisschen das Apple Ökosystemgehypt grade, ja. Oh. Die haben irgendwie neue Surface, Laptop, Ultra, bla bla bla vorgestellt, ist alles gar nicht so wichtig, aber die haben ein Feature, was ich mir ja geil finde und zwar haben sie es geschafft, Macsafe USB-C-Ports zu bauen quasi, also magnetische USB-C-Ports, die, wenn Du genug Zug drauf hast, sich selbst releasen können und nicht einfach nur den Stecker quasi aus dem Port reißen, weil sie's geschafft haben, dass die die Buchse quasi sich den Plug in reinsteckt. Anyway, gibt's 'n paar coole Videos, kann man sich mal anschauen. Ist son Feature, wo ich mir gedacht hätte, wieso kommt es nicht von Apple? So, ja? Irgendwie, wir haben hier dieses Macsafe, aber das kann halt nur Strom und dafür muss ich aufn USB-C-Port verzichten und so. Viel cooler wär ja eigentlich, wenn ich an dem USB-Port, der mir Power, Daten, Bildschirm, bla, alles machen kann, wenn ich da diese Macsafe Sicherheit hätte Und der ist Offensichtlich haben die's geschafft. Und der ist, das Kabel muss nicht kompatibel sein. Das heißt, Du kannst da jegliches USB Kabel USB-C-Kabel rein, jeglichen USB-C-Stecker reinstecken? So wie es aussieht, ist die Buchse tatsächlich das Besondere, weil also ich weiß nicht, ob der ob der Steckerkopf sozusagen auch 'n Magnet mitbringen muss, aber der Stecker selbst sieht zumindest nicht anders geformt oder so was aus. Aber also korrigier dich und nicht falschliege, aber bei diesem Ding von Apple, was man da links reinmachen kann, was, also diese kleinen Punkte, die haben doch das auch Ja, ja, das ist ja mein, der will ja das muss man USB-C hemmen. Ah, für USB Das ist ja jetzt hab ich's bestimmt. Weißt Du und ich hätt das gerne so für alles. Okay, verstehe. Damit ich einfach hier Jetzt hab ich alles verstanden. Gut. Und es gibt ja so diese USB-C-Magnetadapter, die hab ich ja auch für son paar Ladegeräte hier rumliegen, aber die machen wiederum nur Strom und keine Datenübertragung. Lange Rede, kurzer Sinn, ich will USB-C magnetisch mit Strom und Daten und voller Bandbreite und überhaupt. Dankeschön. Du redest hoffentlich nicht von Magnetic Connect. Du fragst mich jetzt Sachen. Ich hab das hier, ich hab nur mal hier son bisschen Instagram Halbwissen rausgehauen, was irgendwie gesehen hab Genau. Von der Vorstellung. Das wollt ich grad korrigieren. Wenn's das ist, dann ist es 'n proprietärer Stecker, der halt so kleine Magneten noch neben links und rechts hat. Aber wieso wurde es mir dann als USB-c in dem Artikel Weil der Teil, der da reingesteckt wird, halt USB-c ist, aber außenrum sind Magneten, die links und rechts setzen. Dann ist es schon nur noch halb so cool. Aber der Port kann quasi auch fürn anderes USB-C-Kabel verwendet werden, ne. Also da, ich verliert quasi Ja. Nichts an der... Ja, okay. Ich bin nur noch halb neidisch. Also Ja. Vielleicht ist die Implementierung noch nicht 100 Prozent perfekt, aber das Ziel ist trotzdem das, was ich haben will. Das Ziel ist das, was Du haben willst, aber guck dir mal 'n Bild an, das willst Du nicht haben. Na ja. Also weil's so länglich ist, meinst Du? Ja, also Ja, also es hilft halt nicht. Du brauchst halt genau dieses Kabel. Also das Ding Das Ding wär ja Na, genau, eine universelle Buchse. Nee, stimmt. Aber haben sie nicht gelöst, also kannst nicht entspannen. Okay. Nein, nein, ich will's ja nicht, ich will's ja immer noch haben. So, jetzt Ja, genau. Noch mehr frustriert. 2 ist das Ein Leno weg, USB-C, Magnet weg, das irgendwie, ich weiß nicht, nicht meine Folge hier. So. Ja. Ey, nächste Woche wird besser, Jan. Da bist Du nächste Woche Nächste Woche sprechen wir über Dots, dann wird alles gut. Dots Dots. Dots Dots. Das ist nämlich mein Highlight. Ich bin sehr hyped auf das Thema. Sehr gut. Sehr gut. Vielen Dank fürs Zuhören. Vielen Dank, Leute. Feedback an Podcast at Programmier Punkt bar. Wir hören uns nächste Woche wieder. Hab eine ganz schöne Woche. Genieß die letzten Sonnenstrahlen im Oktober. Oh. Und bis nächste Woche. Bis dann. Tschau, tschüs. 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Wir sprechen heute über Gemini 4, über dass man heute alles Reverse Engineering kann, Dino Cloudflare Übernahme und oder andersrum, Apple hat ein paar eine komplett neue Produktkategorie vorgestellt. Und wenn am Ende Zeit bleibt, reden wir noch ein bisschen über persönliche Erfahrungen von Open AI Dots, die wir seit ein paar Tagen hier auch unter anderem im Einsatz haben. Ich bin Dennis Becker.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ich bin Dave Acker, David Krusitzky. Moin, was geht?\n\nSpeaker 2: Und ich bin Jan Krieger im Getriebe.\n\nSpeaker 0: Moin moin. So, wir haben hier im Studio, also da, wo Dave und ich sitzen und wer uns über Video sieht, das sind ja nicht so viele, aber könnt ihr mal sagen, ob ihr heute irgendwas anders ist, weil wir neues Licht haben, eine neue Kameraposition, Neue Frisur. Neue... Ich dachte, Du triggerst\n\nSpeaker 2: jetzt eher so auf auf Dave irgendwie. Das hätte\n\nSpeaker 0: das hätte ich komplett ignoriert.\n\nSpeaker 1: Das ist ja mir auch nicht aufgefallen tatsächlich.\n\nSpeaker 0: Und ja, genau, könnt ihr könnt ihr gerne Feedback zu geben. Wenn heute noch Soundprobleme sind, wir sind immer noch auf Riverside, unsere gewaltcodeelte Aufnahmeapp ist noch nicht startklar, aber hoffentlich nächste Woche dann mit zuverlässiger Audioqualität. Von daher entschuldigt bitte noch mal, falls ihr in den Folgen da ein bisschen Probleme soundtechnisch von uns hattet. Service Announcement am zweiundzwanzigsten Oktober findet das nächste statt hier in Bad Nauheim, also weil sie aus dem Rhein Main Gebiet kommt und ein bisschen was hören möchtet, über ein Lab, das an der THM entstanden ist, wo praktisch Mikrocontroller programmiert und getestet werden können, aber nicht von dort, sondern von remote, dann kommt gerne vorbei. Jakob wird, mit dem wir auch mal eine Folge hier schon über Mikrocontroller gemacht haben, wird dort einen Vortrag halten und wir würden uns über viele Gäste freuen.\n\nUnd wenn ihr nicht Man\n\nSpeaker 2: muss auch nicht aus dem Rhein Main Gebiet kommen. Wir hatten ja schon Besucher so aus Köln, München, keine Ahnung, die übernehmen, alles.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, natürlich. Das ist richtig, aber es fällt euch natürlich 'n bisschen einfacher für einen Abend aus der Nähe zu kommen, falls ihr denkt, ah, ich würd gern vorbeikommen, aber dafür brauch ich mindestens Content von 2 Tagen. Dann haben wir den fünfundzwanzigsten und sechstenssten November für euch. Da stindet unsere Programmier Constadt.\n\nSpeaker 1: Was ist denn Wolfgang. Schön. Und\n\nSpeaker 0: es sind jetzt noch knapp, nee, knapp kann man nicht sagen, gut 10 Tickets vorhanden. Das heißt, wir haben noch 'n paar Wochen. Alle voraussicht nach werden ausverkauft sein. Von daher, wenn ihr dabei sein möchtet und das ist halt tatsächlich auch unsere Kapazitätsgrenze hier in der Location, dann müsst ihr jetzt schnell sein und euch die letzten Tickets sichern. So, Gemini 4.\n\nIch muss 'n bisschen parteiisch sein und zumindest mal einmal sagen, dass Google mir 'n bisschen leidtut, so.\n\nSpeaker 1: Okay, krass.\n\nSpeaker 0: Weil Dafür muss man ja\n\nSpeaker 2: nicht parteiisch sein. Das, son Mitleid kann man ja immer haben.\n\nSpeaker 0: Okay, ja, mit dem, ja.\n\nSpeaker 1: Sehr empathisch, Dennis.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, aber das ist halt so, weil wenn man sich jetzt ein Jahr ungefähr zurückerinnert, so, im Herbst letzten Jahres waren die so der Überflieger und man halt so gesagt, ja easy, Google hat das im Griff.\n\nSpeaker 1: Da kam doch auch Germanight 3 raus.\n\nSpeaker 0: Genau, gell, ne, geilste Modelle, egal ob Videogenerierung, Video, Imagegenerierung und so weiter, alles top Notge, alles das Beste. Und dann ist es ziemlich ruhig geworden, weil ja. Und kriegen natürlich auch irgendwie viel Häme dafür und dann releasen sie was Neues und dann wird ihnen vorgeworfen, ja, das ist ja nur auf Benchmarks optimiert und jetzt sieht das wieder ganz toll aus am Ende. Hab das dann doch wieder nicht gemacht. Und ehrlicherweise, also wir haben jetzt noch keine Tests von Gemini 4, was liegt auch daran, dass der Roll out jetzt auch nicht so einfach gestaltet ist, dass man's einfach jetzt nutzen kann.\n\nDas macht's 'n bisschen kompliziert. Also ihr habt's eben, Jan, Du hast ja ganz gut zusammengefasst, was denkst Du, wo's verfügbar ist?\n\nSpeaker 2: Ich dachte nur für AI Pro und Ultimate Subscriber und auch eigentlich ja nur so richtig in Anti Gravity zu nutzen, wenn man so Power Useage haben will,\n\nSpeaker 0: ne. Genau und aber auch, glaub ich, in Enterprise, muss man mal Enterprise an, also Workspace Enterprise oder wie das auch immer heißt. Wir nennen das ja alles dauerhaft Aber ich dachte, das\n\nSpeaker 2: sind wir auch Enterprise Workspace Hat die jetzt auch noch nie?\n\nSpeaker 0: Nee, wir sind, das heißt auch irgendwie dann eher Work Teams oder Standard oder so. Wir sind da, glaub ich, auch nicht Enterprise. Also bei Cloud oder so ist Enterprise auch noch mal was anderes als hast Du ja mal Account.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, wo sie jetzt\n\nSpeaker 0: auch umbenannt haben, diese Germany for Work, da heißt die App jetzt auch einfach nur noch Germany. Also da weiß man auch nicht mehr, was das jetzt eigentlich tatsächlich am Ende ist, was man da bekommt. Anyway, das neue Frontiermodell von Google ist rausgekommen und es gibt auch da immer so eine Model Sheet, was sie veröffentlichen oder die Model Card nennt sich die. Und da sind sie auch, haben sie natürlich auch 'n paar Benchmarks drauf gepackt. Und rein rein nach den Zahlen ist es auf jeden Fall ein sehr, kann man sagen, ne.\n\nDas heißt, auf dem Deep SWRE Benchmark, auf dem White Code Bench, alles Mögliche, was angeht, so nennen sie, also von Walz, automation Bench. Da haben sie überall höhere Scores als die letzten so großen, also Claude als Opos 5 5, als Was glaub ich? Fehle 5, astra, Astra.\n\nSpeaker 2: Woran das liegt, dass sie das jetzt dieses Mal so sehr limitiert Verfügung stellen? Also Sie haben ja in den letzten paar Wochen, glaub ich, auch schon die Gemini 3 Pro irgendwie mehr restrittiv gehandelt, ja. Und ist das son Ding, dass Sie jetzt irgendwie anfangen wollen, damit irgendwie nennenswert Geld zu verdienen oder so was und deshalb das irgendwie so besser tieren müssen? Oder haben Sie einfach selber sonen Ressourcenkonst auf Ihrer Seite und können nicht mehr Inference für alle irgendwie bereitstellen, wie das vielleicht früher mal war? Da das ist eigentlich das, was mich an diesem Release am meisten so wundert.\n\nGar nicht mal, wie viel besser das ist oder so, sondern wie viel weniger es zur Verfügung steht.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ich glaube, ihnen fehlt aktuell der Zugang zu den Nutzern son bisschen. Also weißt Du, Du hast halt irgendwie deine Codex App und deine Cloud App und irgendwie sind da jetzt User dran gewöhnt und da irgendwie schon relativ eingeloggt. Und ich glaube, ihnen fehlt grade noch so der Produkttake auf dem Modell, wo Sie jetzt riesig das bewerben können und sagen können, das ist neue Ding, nutzt das jetzt sofort.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, aber dann müssten Sie's ja für umso mehr Leute zur Verfügung stellen, dann macht ja dieses restriktivlichkeit ganz klar. Weniger Sinn.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ich weiß nicht, oder? Sie haben was in der Hinterhand und warten jetzt noch 'n bisschen und können uns dann noch 'n bisschen machen, dann kommt jetzt der große Umschlag, wo alles einfach noch mal ersetzt wird. Und gibt's nicht mehr und hast Du nicht gesehen.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ah. Baby. Baby.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ich weiß nicht.\n\nSpeaker 1: Spekulat es auch, ne.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ist auch sehr lustig, ne. Also das ist ja eher fast\n\nSpeaker 0: 'n bisschen verbuggt, kann man sagen. Ja, Dave Dave hat seine App offen und das ist der große Teaser, sie dir an fast Vielleicht 4 kann. 4 kann.\n\nSpeaker 1: Damit ich auf Los geht's und ich kann das Modell gar nicht auswählen. Ich kann nur auf 3 Punkt 6 Flash Pro und so gehen. Aber eigentlich die großen Ideen umsetzen, die wir\n\nSpeaker 0: auch, ist ja ganz\n\nSpeaker 1: nett so. Den perfekten Espresso zubereiten, tägliche Routinen verfolgen, Finanzentscheidung durchspielen. Also eigentlich alles, was andere auch können, aber irgendwie ist das jetzt deren USP an der\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja. Also ich mein, das ist irgendwie, find ich auch interessant. Ich weiß ja gar nicht, ob die Modelle explizit dafür trainiert wurden und halt einfach so als Use Case rausgepurzelt ist. Die letzten Großen von Open AI, also Astra und auch Opus 5 5 sind ja sehr gut auch in diesem physikalischen Space, also drei-d-Generierung, Blender Nutzung und so weiter geworden. Mhm.\n\nWas jetzt eben bei Argon auch so ist. Ja, ist irgendwie spannend. Ich frag mich, ob da im Hintergrund 1 gesagt hat, hey, das ist 'n guter Use Case, den sollten wir auf jeden Fall irgendwie abdecken oder einfach so, dass mit der Intelligenz sozusagen einfach dieser dieser räumlich die Räumlichkeit noch dazugekommen ist und deswegen das so gut funktioniert.\n\nSpeaker 2: Und da muss man wieder sagen, Stichwort Google und wie sie so Sachen veröffentlichen, als sie vor Monaten dieses Omnimodell wieder mal gezeigt hatten, was ja so ihr Model und das kann alles und kennt alles und so, da war ja so drei-d-Gestaltung und Rendering in Echtzeit und so war ja voll son Feature da drin. So, ja, also da da waren sie quasi schon eigentlich den anderen voraus, aber sie haben es halt nie irgendwo zugänglich gemacht so. Es war son eine coole Demo auf der Bühne, haben sie mal gesehen und demonstriert, dass sie das können und dann war's auch wieder in der Schublade verschwunden.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ich mein, auch da in dem ne, in dem Launch Artikel dazu sind sie so halt so interne Use Cases durchgegangen, was Jamlike 4 alles intern so gemacht hat. Also beispielsweise Chrome hat wohl riesige Updates bekommen. Also da sind ganz, ganz viele Dinge neu geschrieben worden und machen Dinge kleiner und schneller, schlecht zusammengefasst. Und aber auch im Bereich, ne, Science, da war ja Google oder Deep Mind schon immer relativ weit irgendwelche, ja, jetzt kommst Du zu ihnen Fallsstrukturen. Danke, Herr Alter, unser Bio Chemiker, Bio Biomatiker.\n\nKann das besser einordnen. Genau, aber auf dieser Schiene, ne, wo sie ja irgendwie auch viel machen so im im Research, so im Hintergrund mit dem ganzen Zeug.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, stimmt. Ja, vielleicht haben die gesagt so, wir können gar nicht mehr mittlerweile mit und mit OpenAI konkurrieren. Wir müssen auf eine andere Schiene gehen. Können natürlich auch sein.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja. Ich glaub, ganz überlassen werden sie sich nicht. Ich glaub, es fehlt noch son bisschen halt, ja, die die... Ist es ja auch, das wollt ich noch erwähnen, ist ja auch superinteressant in diesem, ach, Wording, keine Ahnung, Germany irgendwas Gedöns. Gibt es ja auch jetzt, dass mit drin ist.\n\nAlso Google hat ja jetzt in 1 der mit als als Modellangebot.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ist ja\n\nSpeaker 0: auch irgendwie auch 'n superinteressanter Move ist.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja. Dass\n\nSpeaker 0: sie das gemacht haben. Ja, mal gucken, wohin das geht. Und wahrscheinlich, ich mein, ich weiß nicht, wie lange Apple unterschrieben hat damals im letzten Herbst, so von wegen, wir sitzen auf Google.\n\nSpeaker 1: Oh nein. Das stimmt.\n\nSpeaker 2: Vielleicht ist das ja\n\nSpeaker 0: auch für die ausreichend, dass sie praktisch das komplette iOS Ökosystem befeuern mit ihren Modellen, dann brauchen sie gar nicht so viel machen. Vielleicht ist auch auch das 'n Kapazitätsenjagden, ne? Also ich mein, wenn viel auch von denen irgendwie von der Apple Infrastruktur jetzt da läuft, vielleicht haben die gar nicht so große Sorgen.\n\nSpeaker 2: Na Na ja, da muss man dann auch wieder sagen, ne. Also Apple stellt ja seine AI Features auch nur sehr selektiv seinen Kunden bereit. Also wenn Du nicht grade in Nordamerika wohnst, hast Du ja, bist Du quasi schon raus.\n\nSpeaker 1: Keine Features, keine Features.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja. Von daher. Wori,\n\nSpeaker 0: apropos, es wird alles besser. Beispielsweise Apps, werden jetzt immer besser, weil man kann sie einfach sich selbst schreiben, oder? Worum geht's.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ganz genau. Also, ich jetzt son Clickbait Youtuber wär, hätte ich, glaub ich, so als Titel genommen, jede Software Open Source, ob wir meine Hände sofort aufs Gesicht halten und total schockiert gucken.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ihr nehmt das bitte als Clip für Ich wollt grad sagen. Für Social Media. Genau so.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, bitte genau, wenn ich das genauso haben. Nee, ich weiß nicht, also ob euer Social Media Feed davon auch total voll war, aber bei mir, also weil ich hab auch so Gaming als Interesse natürlich und total häufig Videos gesehen irgendwie, Du hast das Spiel gesehen Call of Duty und auf einmal haben die Soldaten angefangen, auf 'nem Skateboard rumzufahren und sind dann durch die Map so irgendwie auf 'nem Skateboard gefahren. Ich hab gesagt, hey, ist das 'n AI Video? Aber nee, war's nicht. Oder soll irgendwie irgendwie, dass Super Mario auf einmal in Elden Ring oder so was war.\n\nUnd ich hab mir so, wieso werden diese Videos jetzt immer häufiger? Und das knüpft 'n bisschen an diese Diskussion von letzter Woche an, Dennis, die ihr hattet hier zu dritt, von wegen so, na ja, dann bau ich mir die Software halt einfach selbst.\n\nSpeaker 0: Mhm.\n\nSpeaker 1: Und das geht jetzt einfacher denn je, denn eigentlich muss man sagen, das ist 'n Reput, das auf GitHub komplett explodiert ist. Und zwar nennt sich das REA, Reverse Engineer Anything. Und das hat innerhalb von, glaub ich, jetzt der letzten Woche einfach über 200000 Sterne bekommen auf GitHub, also ist komplett wirklich senkrecht nach umgegangen, wie das zugewachsen ist. Und was ist eigentlich der Promis davon? Also mithilfe dieses Tools kann dein Agent quasi jede Software, die es draußen gibt, nachbauen.\n\nSo, das ist einfach der einfache Promis, das sind MCP und da gibt's eigentlich keine Grenzen dafür, was benötigt wird, damit was nachgebaut werden kann, ne. Also natürlich normalerweise, wenn Software ausgeliefert wird, dann wird das ja kompiliert und Du hast ja dann quasi Binärcode einfach so und dein dein Rechner kann es dann halt einfach durchführen, ne. Also wir haben jetzt irgendwie beispielsweise die Native Binarys wie die Windows-Exe oder hier auf auf MacBooks die Punkt app. Mhm. Aber auch gleichzeitig natürlich, wenn wir im Browser unterwegs sind, haben wir natürlich dann irgendwie 'n bisschen auch das JavaScript dort 'n bisschen ver, wie nennt man das, score, ob scoreified.\n\nGenau oder Android APKs und so was alles. Das reicht aus, das zu Reverse engineering und daraus den gesamten Code wiederherzustellen. Das ist halt quasi, Du kannst dann einfach sagen so, hey, mir gefällt Photoshop beispielsweise, dass also grad die Adobe Produkte wurden sehr, sehr häufig dabei genannt. Photoshop find ich ganz cool, bau mir das genauso nach. Und da ist halt das Coole im Gegensatz zu dem, wie's vorher war, davor konntest Du natürlich deinem Agents sagen so, hey, bau mir mal sone Anwendung wie Photoshop nach.\n\nAber Photoshop hat ja sehr viele Funktionen wie, keine Ahnung, 'n Weichzeichner zum Beispiel. Und ich glaub, das ist ja auch das, was grad Photoshop irgendwie cool macht, so im Sinne von, die haben irgend eine coole Funktion mathematisch dahinter, damit das wirklich gut aussieht. Und davor hat dann Agent einfach nur geraten, na ja, so wird man das mathematisch theoretisch machen. So und jetzt kann es halt genauso schauen so, hey, wie macht Photoshop das eigentlich und halt diese Funktionalität 1 zu 1 übernehmen. Gleichzeitig kann's natürlich auch sagen so, hey, ich möcht zwar Photoshop haben, aber beispielsweise Gym 3 hat die und die Funktion und die gefällt mir besser, nimmt das Bild aus Gimp 3 und macht das in meine Anwendung rein, ne.\n\nAlso dass man das halt quasi wirklich 1 zu 1 übernehmen kann, was schon sehr, sehr cool ist, weil man das halt natürlich dann irgendwie in der Funktionalität nachbauen kann. Aber das natürlich 'n bisschen einzuordnen, Ja. Das ist natürlich alles kein Hexenwerk, ne. Also es ist halt 'n 'n 'n MCP, der da drin ist. Und was das eigentlich macht, ist, das verknüpft diese ganzen Tools.\n\nAlso die Tools haben schon vorher existiert. Beispielsweise, was man da so in dem Bereich kennt, ist Gitra, das ist son Framework von der NSA, Software reverse zu engineeren, Hopper, IDA Pro und so was. Also also gängige Tools, die man eigentlich auch kennt und das macht sich halt jetzt quasi, also einfach nur sone Pipeline so, hey, nutzt das, da irgendwie diese Coachstelle herauszufinden. Mhm. Das, das zu interpretieren und so was alles.\n\nUnd das ist natürlich jetzt superconvenient, muss an der Stelle nicht raten, wie's halt irgendwie umgesetzt wird. Und das Gute ist, was was an an diesem REA megagut funktioniert, dass es sich selbst ganz Zeit im Loop hält, ne, weil das hat ja quasi ganze Zeit das Original und weiß, oh, guck mal, die Funktionalität sieht so aus, ich bau das nach, sieht es jetzt genauso aus oder mach das Ergebnis genau dasselbe? Wenn ja, dann ist gut, wenn nein, okay, dann iterier ich noch mal weiter rum und schau noch mal tiefer in den Code. Und das ist natürlich sehr, sehr cool. Du sahst grade so aus, als würdest Du aber was sagen wollen.\n\nSpeaker 0: Noch ist es mir... Ich weiß gar nicht, wie ich da... Es hört sich sehr positiv an bei dir, aber erzähl erst mal weiter.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, ich, genau. Also das das Ding ist, also weil ich ja auch irgendwie sehr plakativ jetzt auch am Anfang gesagt hab, also jede Software ist jetzt Open Source und da können wir den Raum die Fragen natürlich stellen, ist jetzt Software as a Service irgendwie tot? Und da muss man ganz realistisch einfach mit, ich sag mal, 'nem Jein antworten, denn also man weiß ja auch\n\nSpeaker 2: Ein ganz entschiedenes Jein, ganz, ganz entschiedenes\n\nSpeaker 1: Jein, so zu 0 Prozent Jein. Nee, also man muss ja auch sagen so, also das eine ist ja natürlich, wenn man Funktionalität in der Anwendung hat,\n\nSpeaker 0: die\n\nSpeaker 1: außerhalb dieses Frontend Kontext ist, dann also dann weiß der Agent natürlich trotzdem weiterhin nicht, was da ist, ne. Also der sieht zum Beispiel, hey, okay, an der Stelle wird eine Anfrage gestellt an den Server, was da dahintersteckt beim Server, wenn da irgendwelche Sachen irgendwie verarbeitet werden, weiß der Agent ja trotzdem nicht, ne. Beispielsweise ich glaub, also Photoshop hat ja auch jetzt die Funktionalität, dass man ja auch KI nutzen kann, irgendwas zu erweitern. Mhm.\n\nSpeaker 2: Das wird\n\nSpeaker 1: ja an den Server geschickt und dann kommt 'n Ergebnis zurück. Also die Magie dahinter kann man dann nicht nachbauen so. Das müsste man dann selbst noch mal irgendwie schlauer machen.\n\nSpeaker 0: Alle Apps werden jetzt einfach nur noch Serveranwender haben.\n\nSpeaker 1: Genau. Also das ist auch so, also viel, also vielleicht, tun wir auf, also vielleicht nimmt man das alles son bisschen weiter hoch in in die in die Cloud oder aufm Server so, einfach zu verhindern, dass das halt dann kopiert wird, so. Also ist die Frage, ob das wirklich dann die Zukunft ist, einfach nur den Code wirklich zu schützen.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, aber er macht ja Software Service schon so. Also die allermeisten von diesen Anwendungen liegen ja zu 'nem gewissen Teil schon irgendwo in der Wolke,\n\nSpeaker 1: ja. Stimmt. Aber ist das, also grad bei Adobe Produkten hab ich gedacht, die kann ich auch alle offline nutzen. Also es ist schon sehr lange her, dass ich die benutzt habe tatsächlich. Ja.\n\nAber damals so, keine Ahnung, jegliche Funktionalität, also konnt ich ja auch einfach offline benutzen. Also ich hab Adobe Audition benutzt und meine ganze Musik damit zu bearbeiten, das hab ich ja alles offline gemacht. Und das könnte man ja damit nachstellen. Das heißt, die Funktionalität muss ja auf meinem Rechner sein an der Stelle.\n\nSpeaker 0: Weißt Du, ob dieser große Adobe Klon, der so total viral gegangen ist mit diesen Produkten, hatte hatte der das auch schon im Hintergrund gebracht?\n\nSpeaker 2: Genau, das ist, glaub ich, so das, was daraus hervorgehen, dieses,\n\nSpeaker 1: ne, also eigentlich jedes Produkt von Adobe wurd irgendwas mit Fotocraft, Musiccraft und so was alles Ja. Glaub ich gemacht. Genau, das ist, glaub ich, daraus entstanden so. Das war das ganz große Ding. Genau, was aber auch\n\nSpeaker 2: Hast Du irgendwas gelesen, Dave, wie teuer das jetzt so ist? Also ich stell mir das halt schon, also auch wenn es voll automatisiert vor, als also unglaublich komplexe Arbeit irgendwie vor, ja? Ja. Wo ich da, weiß nicht, Hunderte Millionen von Tokens irgendwie durchballern muss, bis da irgendwas passiert. Hast Du irgendwas da gefunden?\n\nSpeaker 1: Genau, also ich ich ich wollt das erst mal selbst ausprobieren, da mir son eigenes Bild zu machen, aber hab's leider jetzt nicht geschafft, weil das jetzt relativ frisch ist. Also ist so quasi Anfang der Woche, am Montag ist er so durch die Decke gegangen. Aber ich hab hier einzeln dort paar Videos von Leuten angeschaut, die, ich sag mal so, mittelkomplexe Anwendungen nachgebaut haben, also etwas, womit Du deinen Desktop recorden kannst, irgendwie dann beispielsweise den Mauszeiger schön animieren, Übergänge machen, dich selbst dabei filmen und so was alles und das\n\nSpeaker 2: noch mal zu schneiden. Also ist schon gutes Stück Software, aber natürlich nicht überkomplex. Und da\n\nSpeaker 1: muss man sagen, das hat sich dann in 'nem Bereich bewegt von so, ich sag mal, 100 bis 120 Dollar an Token, die da verbraucht wurden, wo halt quasi die also die Großteil des einfach genau dafür drauf gegangen ist. Und da muss man aber natürlich das auch 'n Verhältnis setzen, ne. Das ist dann etwas, okay, Du gibst dann halt einmalig für deine Software 100 bis 120 Dollar aus. So, dann steht sie, Du kannst es natürlich customizen und Du musst natürlich kein monatliches Abo zahlen an der Stelle, ne. Das ist natürlich dann die Schlussfolgerung.\n\nWeil ich sag mal, auch generell bei Software hier draußen Konsumenten hassen diesen Trick. Ja, aber also vielleicht vielleicht ist das son bisschen philosophisch an der Stelle, ne. Aber ich sag mal, bei dieser ganzen KI Geschichte, wir reden ja sehr viel darüber so, Jobsicherheit werden grad die ganze Softwareentwickler durch AI ersetzt. Und auf der anderen Seite so, ich sag mal, die Unternehmen waren in Anführungszeichen nicht so ganz bedroht, aber jetzt, sag mal diesen Befreiungsschlag von wegen so, hey, ich bin nicht mehr an die Preispolitik von den ganzen Unternehmen irgendwie daran gebunden. So, ich sag zum Beispiel, hey, Adobe hat's wieder 10 Euro erhöht für 'n Monat so, ich ich seh's nicht irgendwie ein.\n\nNa ja, dann mach ich mir die Anwendung selbst und schneidest da auf meine Bedürfnisse hinzu, ne, dass ich sage so, hey, 80 Prozent der Anwendung nutz ich nicht. Ich mach da son Slim Ding aus 20 Prozent. Kann mir das so selbst bauen?\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, ist halt irgendwie wenn Du in den 20 Prozent drin bist, wahrscheinlich schon, ne. Aber ich hab jetzt auch grade zu diesen Adobe Nachbauten son paar Blogposts gelesen, die halt auch gesagt haben, so wow, cooler Proof of Concept, aber so produktiv täglich nutzen wollen, würd ich das jetzt halt auch irgendwie nicht, ne. Weil halt auch noch sehr viele grobe Ecken da irgendwie dann drin sind.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, genau. Also das ist, glaub ich, auch das Entscheidende so. Ich glaub, Unternehmen werden auch da son bisschen zu gezwungen, halt weiterhin trotzdem irgendwie die zu bieten. Also entweder, dass man so merkt, hey, das ist wirklich besser oder dass man sagt so, hey, natürlich, Du kannst dein eigenes Produkt machen, aber wir machen ganze Zeit Updates, wir verbessern das, wir machen neue Features und so, ne. Ich mein, ich sag, also wir machen ja hier Mobile Games bei Lotum und wir sind ja genauso davon betroffen, ne.\n\nMan kann das ja auch quasi unsere Spiele wirklich schnell kopieren, sag ich mal. Aber wir haben ja auch grade so, wenn ich jetzt von von unserem Produkt Wordpress rede so, wir haben natürlich eine große Userbasis, ist grade bei 'nem sozialen Spiel total wichtig, dass ihr mit Leuten irgendwie interagieren kannst, spielen kannst. Wir haben natürlich auch irgendwie grad, wir benutzen Wörterbuch für unsere Wörter so, das ist ja auch immer gepflegt und geupdatet. Da sind ja noch sehr, sehr viele Sachen, die dann weiter im Hintergrund sind und wir machen regelmäßig Updates. Das ist ja der Grund, warum dann Leute dann sagen, hey, okay, euer Produkt ist ja wirklich besser, Ich ich benutz es weiterhin, anstatt mir mein eigenes Produkt damit zu machen.\n\nAber grade für so, glaub ich, so kleinere Software, die halt wirklich nur son Frontend bisschen was macht und so, ich glaub, das wird schnell davon ersetzt werden.\n\nSpeaker 2: So eine kleine Podcast Aufnahmesoftware, die irgendwie nicht gut funktioniert, die die sehe ich richtig bedroht hier schon, ja, von den Leuten, die Aber\n\nSpeaker 0: ich hab's nicht beim Controlling\n\nSpeaker 2: ankommen und das nervt.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ich hab's nicht reverse engineered immerhin.\n\nSpeaker 2: Nee, nee, das wollt ich auch gar nicht bauen. Das ist\n\nSpeaker 0: halt Ganz neu\n\nSpeaker 2: genau dieser Scope von genau diese Größe, die da am meisten gefährdet ist. So Software, für die Du vielleicht so zwischen 10, 20 Euro bezahlst und die so einen sehr speziellen Use Case für dich bedient, das ist Ja.\n\nSpeaker 0: Wobei ich's technisch schon sehr, also eher komplex finde, muss ich sagen. Also diese Aufnahme App. Da sind ja da sind ja jetzt schon sehr, sehr viele Dinge, die passieren. Ja. Mit Video Encoding, Hardware auswählen, online speichern, nach oben buffern, Ausbrüche aus Ausfälle und so weiter.\n\nAlso da ist ja jetzt schon, also technisch hätt ich hätt ich da vor ohne ohne KI sehr, sehr viel Respekt gehabt.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ich mein, das ist auch eine Disziplin, von der Du wenig Ahnung hast, ne, also mit Audioengineering, Videoentcoding und so. Das ist ja, also das ist ja nicht dein, es ist ja nicht dein, Du hast es ja nicht gelernt.\n\nSpeaker 0: Na ja, was hab ich studiert, mein Lieber?\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, das ist ja Dennis ja mit mit... Oh Gott.\n\nSpeaker 1: Gut, ich hab nichts gesagt. Das schneiden wir einfach gleich raus.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ob jetzt, ne, Aktie von Adobe im letzten Monat 10 Prozent runtergegangen, also schon relativ... Ob das jetzt direkt damit zusammenhängt, weiß man nicht, aber Ja. Ja. Da hat natürlich alles Einfluss.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, das stimmt. Also und mich mich würd's auch mal interessieren, also schreibt uns gerne auch mal, falls ihr jetzt inspiriert worden seid von diesem Tool, das mal zu nutzen, einfach so, was eure Anwendungsfelder für sind und wie gut das funktioniert hat. Also ich will's auf jeden Fall selbst auch noch mal ausprobieren jetzt im Laufe der Woche.\n\nSpeaker 0: Hast Du schon eine Idee? Hab ich\n\nSpeaker 1: noch nicht, hab ich noch nicht.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ich was Storyverse unbedingt.\n\nSpeaker 1: Das muss\n\nSpeaker 0: Vielleicht die Programmier Neue Aufnahme.\n\nSpeaker 1: Programmierpunkt Rack.\n\nSpeaker 2: Bessere Daumen Ganz doofe Frage, Dave. Vielleicht bist Du da auch so Ja. Bescheuert. Ich weiß das auch nicht. Darf darf man das einfach so?\n\nAlso wenn ich jetzt hier son son Softwarefaket hab, egal ob, ne, Executable oder son Package oder irgendwas, den ich sag jetzt, ich will da irgendwas mit machen. Ist das ist das okay?\n\nSpeaker 1: Na na ja, also wahrscheinlich steht in den Lizenzen irgendwo drin so, hey, das ist nicht erlaubt. Ich kann mir auch gut vorstellen, dass die jetzt in Zukunft irgendwas reinschreiben in die Codebasis, dass Agenten draufstoßen, so Agenten draufstoßen und so, ja okay, das soll ich doch nicht machen, weil ich gegen irgendwas verstoße, also und aus, ob das irgendwie darüber gefixt wird. Aber man muss ja auch ehrlicherweise sagen, also würde ich damit ein Konkurrenzprodukt auf den Markt bringen? Auf gar keinen Fall. So, ne, das ist natürlich, also irgendwie so, keine Ahnung.\n\nDas wär\n\nSpeaker 0: auch 'n bisschen dumm. Das\n\nSpeaker 2: wär genau son\n\nSpeaker 1: bisschen so.\n\nSpeaker 2: Morgen publish stellen. 5 Bilder, 2 Wörter. Ja, genau.\n\nSpeaker 1: Aber aber ich sag mal, ne, also Photoshop hast Du ja für dich selbst benutzt und Du hast ja nicht mit anderen Leuten interagiert. Und wenn Du halt lokal bei dir privat einfach so was wie Photoshop nutzt so, also da kriegt ja kein Haar nach so. Ja. Das ist ja etwas, womit niemand interagiert. Und genau, gleichzeitig so, ich sag mal, sone Plattform wie Instagram, das kannst ja auch, also ich glaub, dafür bräuchtst Du das Tool nicht mal.\n\nDu kannst natürlich jetzt schon 'nem Agent vor 'nem halben Jahr oder Jahr sagen so, hey, bau mir so was wie Instagram nach. Aber die Plattform hat ja keinen Erfolg, weil sie davon lebt ja, dass Leute da drauf kommen oder die muss halt irgendwas besser machen. Und dann hast Du ja schon ein Alleinstellungsmerkmal, wenn Du halt die Upgrades machst. Deswegen Bei Instagram kannst\n\nSpeaker 2: Du halt jetzt auch sagen, da liegt natürlich die größte Magie\n\nSpeaker 0: auf den Servern, die Du nicht revers an den Link.\n\nSpeaker 1: Genau. Und das ist, genau.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja. Genau.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, das ist halt so sehr viel, ne. Also man muss ja halt immer schauen, aber ich glaub halt Dinge, die einfach deinen Alltag erleichtern, wo Du das halt nur für dich persönlich nutzt, da kann dir ja quasi niemand was sagen so. So hast Du halt einfach selbst für dich gebaut. Du verteilst diese Software nicht so, nutzt es nur für dich selbst. Wer soll sich da beschweren?\n\nBefreit euch, Kameraden.\n\nSpeaker 0: So. Wer wurde auch befreit aus aus seinen Freiheiten?\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja. Aus seinen Fängen?\n\nSpeaker 0: Aus seinen Fängen?\n\nSpeaker 2: Aus seinen eigenen Fängen. Dino.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ich bin traurig. Ich wollt sagen, Jan, also jetzt lohnt sich die Kamera anzuschalten, weil Jan hat schon 5 Tränen im Gesicht. Also\n\nSpeaker 2: die offizielle Überschrift war Dino ist Joining Cloudflair. Also und das geht darum, dass... Also ich find diese Formulierung immer, ne, soundso Joint soundso, die werden halt übernommen und gekauft. Also also das muss man ja auch irgendwie nicht schönreden. Wieso, jetzt\n\nSpeaker 0: haben Sie die großen Möglichkeiten, die Sie vorher nicht hatten, endlich mal das Beste aus dem Produkt rauszuholen?\n\nSpeaker 1: Ganz genau. Genau.\n\nSpeaker 2: Jetzt mit der mit der Kasse von Cloudflyer immer irgendwie richtig Spaß haben im Dino Projekt. Darüber hätte ich mich auch sehr gefreut, wenn Sie nicht Dino eingestampft hätten im\n\nSpeaker 1: Das Beste, was\n\nSpeaker 2: ich dir das Produkt\n\nSpeaker 1: passieren konnte. Sorry, 3. Alter. Alles gut. Alles gut.\n\nSpeaker 2: Also vielleicht einmal die TLDA Version vorab. Dino Deploy, was so ihre Server Runtime Infrastruktur für Dino Projekte war, wird in den nächsten 6 Monaten abgeschaltet. Dino selbst, das Runtime Projekt wird in dem nächsten Jahr abgeschaltet, kriegt bis dahin noch son paar Security Patches und JSA, was ja so ihr Versuch war, eine neue, modernere Alternative zu NPM zu schaffen, die wird weiter betrieben und von von Cloudflair übernommen. So, und ich muss sagen, der Teil macht mich erst mal super traurig, ich fand Dino von der Developer Experience und von der Toolchain, die da so mitgekommen ist, eigentlich immer supercool und hat für mich genau die Probleme gelöst, die ich eigentlich immer mit diesem elenden JavaScript Ökosystem gehabt hab, ich mich halt so viel irgendwie selber kümmern muss und nichts standardmäßig so vorgegeben wird von dem Ökosystem, ja? Ich musste irgendwie selber, brauchst Du hier 'n Linter und da 'n Transpider und keine Ahnung, irgendwie was alles.\n\nUnd Dino hat sich ja das alles gekümmert. Du konntest direkt dein Projekt starten, sagen, hier, Dino Run und fertig. Und das fand ich irgendwie immer sehr, sehr starten, sagen hier, Dino Run und fertig. Und das fand ich irgendwie immer sehr, sehr. Und ich find's schade, dass es das dann so nicht mehr geben wird.\n\nSo. Warum hat Cloudfair aber so viel Interesse an Dino und Dino ja auch irgendwie Interesse scheinbar an Cloudflair, weil es wär ja keine feindliche Übernahme oder so was, sondern die haben's da ja schon geeinigt. Und zwar gibt's da von Ryan Dahl, dem Macher von NoJS und dem Macher von Dino auch 'n coolen Blogpost, wo er son bisschen schreibt, na ja, Dino war ja schon so sein Versuch, die Developer Experience irgendwie cooler zu machen. Aber er hat halt im Laufe der Arbeit an Dino halt auch gemerkt, dass das Tooling die herum eigentlich nur 'n begrenzter Hebel ist, weil bei modernen Anwendungen halt viel, viel mehr auf Infrastrukturseite eigentlich liegt, mit Server, mit Datenbank, mit Edge Distribution, mit hast Du alles nicht gesehen. Und deshalb hat ja auch Dino immer mehr in dieser Richtung gemacht.\n\nSie haben Dino deploy gemacht, sie haben Dino Key value gemacht, eine Datenbank anbieten zu können und so weiter und so fort. Und je länger Sie halt daran gearbeitet haben, desto mehr haben Sie gesehen, okay, das ist eigentlich der viel größere Hebel, mit dem wir uns beschäftigen wollen und sollen, halt eben da developern wirklich noch mal was leichter machen zu können. Und gar nicht mal so unbedingt die. Insbesondere auch, weil sie grade in den letzten Jahren natürlich auch gesehen haben, dass diese harte Abweichung von now j s an manchen Stellen, weil sie wirklich andere potenziell bessere Entscheidungen treffen wollten, oftmals gar nicht so möglich war, ja. Also Dino hat ja erst dann wirklich gut funktioniert oder ist dann erst wirklich angenommen worden, als sie diese hundertprozentige, ich sag mal, Abwärtskompatibilität mit now js wiederhergestellt hatten, so die's ja von Anfang an eigentlich nicht gab, ganz bewusst nicht gab, so.\n\nUnd dann haben sie sich, glaub ich, schon son bisschen gefühlt wie, na ja, jetzt haben wir doch wieder diese No JS Kette irgendwie am Bein und müssen das alles mitziehen. Also versuchen wir uns mehr auf Infrastrukturseite irgendwie verdient zu machen. Und das war natürlich dann der Moment, wo auch 'n Cloudflare draufgucken kann und sagt, okay, wenn ihr euch darum kümmern wollt, Edge Computing, Caching, Infrastruktur, Deployment und bla, dann seid ihr natürlich bei uns irgendwie sehr gut aufgehoben, weil das ist im Prinzip auch viel von dem, was was wir so machen, ja. Cloudflare beschreibt in dem Blogpost, wir verlinken das hier auch noch mal, Sie haben auch 'n Blogpost veröffentlicht, so ihre Arbeit an Cloudflare Workern, an diesen, na, wie haben Sie's genannt? Diesen neuen, den Sie vorgestellt haben.\n\nUnd da sagen sie halt, okay, da können wir halt sehr von dem profitieren, was Ryan und das Dinoteam in letzter Zeit gebaut haben. Und committen sich trotzdem natürlich auch noch mal dazu, dass viel von der Arbeit irgendwie auch weiterhin Open Source bleiben wird. So, weil das ja immer gerne so der Vorwurf in Richtung Cloudflare ist. Ja, hier werden irgendwie Cloudflare Workers gebaut und Du kannst es aber nur wirklich nutzen, wenn Du deine halbe Anwendung darauf optimierst, dass sie quasi auf Workers läuft und dann ist sie aber sehr wenig portabel hin zu anderen runtimes wieder und so weiter und so fort. Und deshalb haben wir gesagt, nee, wir versuchen da mehr mit Open Source irgendwie zu machen, damit dieser Lock in Effekt oder dieser Lock in Gedanke da irgendwie nicht entsteht und das ist jetzt auch 'n Teil von dem, was das Dino Team da eben tun soll.\n\nAlso ich sag mal, ich bin immer noch son bisschen traurig, aber wenn Sie diesen Hebel bei Cloudflare wirklich so nutzen wie da beschrieben, dann kann da trotzdem noch was Cooles rauskommen. Ich hätte mir trotzdem gewünscht, dass Deno weiter meinteint wird. Sie lassen das ja alles open source, vielleicht übernimmt das ja irgendjemand anderes. Wo ist sie? Schauen wir mal.\n\nSpeaker 1: Das heißt, nur noch mal zusammengefasst, das heißt Cloudflare hatte eigentlich das primäre Interesse, dass die einfach dieses Wissen vom Dino Team übernehmen und quasi, also das Team war das Wichtige bei der User Übernahme.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, also es geht ihnen nicht darum, dass sie die Dino Runtime jetzt irgendwie nehmen wollen und dadurch die ausbauen wollen oder so was, sondern eher die Expertise und die Ideen, die das Dino Team hatte, auf Infrastrukturseite jetzt noch was zu machen. Das ist eigentlich das, was Sie haben wollen. Ironischerweise ist die Dino runtime selbst gefühlt nur son Byproduct, an dem grade keiner mehr so wirklich Interesse zu haben scheint, ja? Auch wenn sie damit irgendwie angefangen haben. Yes.\n\nAlso Dinos sterben wieder aus, scheinbar.\n\nSpeaker 1: Na, oh, schöner schöner Abschlusssatz, also auch wenn er traurig ist, aber trotzdem sehr schön\n\nSpeaker 2: gewählt. Du hast auch immer mehr so geklatscht bei einem Land vor unserer Zeit oder so, gell? Oh ja, oh mein Gott, ich hab das geliebt. Ich hab wirklich, ich hab das als Kind, ich hab das alles geschaut und dann war's irgendwann vorbei.\n\nSpeaker 0: Nicht die Mama.\n\nSpeaker 1: Nein, das war nur dein Dinos.\n\nSpeaker 2: Das ist der Dinos, oder?\n\nSpeaker 1: Nee, ja, oh, das macht gar nicht tatsächlich.\n\nSpeaker 2: Aber das\n\nSpeaker 1: ist wie gut deine\n\nSpeaker 0: dein Humor eigentlich.\n\nSpeaker 1: Das stimmt eigentlich schon. Wir waren in deinem\n\nSpeaker 2: Land vor unserer Zeit und\n\nSpeaker 1: dann weiß ich noch, wie bei Super RTL dann irgendwann der letzte Film war und dann war das vorbei und dann hieß es so, das war's jetzt mit den Dinos. Und ich hab als Kind so geheult, weil ich das so geliebt habe. Ich dachte mir so, ich hab jede jede Woche jeden Freitag 18 Uhr lief das immer so und ich hab ich hab darauf hingefiebert, ne. Und dann gab's ja\n\nSpeaker 2: kurz das Sidequest, weil Dennis grade die andere Dinoserie angesprochen hat mit hier Nicht die Mama und so.\n\nSpeaker 1: Nicht die Mama.\n\nSpeaker 2: Wisst ihr, wie das endet? Diese diese Serie, die ist ja relativ kurz.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, das ist doch doch doch mit diesem quasi Ultrakapitalismus, die Dinos gehen unter, alles ist, ich glaub, Kälteschock, so. Kälteschock,\n\nSpeaker 2: alle sterben aus, Klimawandel kommt und rafft die Dinos dahin. Genau. Also für Kinder voll krass. Im Nachhinein denk ich auch so, okay, das...\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, und das war, also also Kapitalismuskritik, ne, so von\n\nSpeaker 2: denen so Ja.\n\nSpeaker 1: Werden immer mehr und mehr gepumpt und so. Ja. Ja, ja, das war so düster, düsteres Ende wirklich.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja. Und ist auch, also filmisch einfach so, ne? Es zoomt so aus dem Haus raus und Du siehst so, alle sitzen sie da, die Kältewelle überfällt so dieses Haus und dann cut zu schwarz, fertig, so. Okay.\n\nSpeaker 1: Gänsehaut, Gänsehaut.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ah ja. Gut. Dennis, von der Kapitalismuskritik zu Apple. Ich seh, der Übergang ist auch perfekt an der Stelle laut.\n\nSpeaker 0: Sehr gut, ah, sehr gut. Ja, ich wollt grad sagen, es passiert ja nicht so häufig, dass Apple neue Gerätekategorien rausbringt. Jetzt haben wir natürlich das iPhone Duo erst vor wenigen Wochen gehabt und trotzdem spannend, dass jetzt was Neues rauskam. Aber\n\nSpeaker 1: das war doch eigentlich so Apple Modus der letzten 15 Jahre, oder?\n\nSpeaker 0: Nichts Neues rauszubringen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Nein, nein, immer was Neues rauszubringen. So, ich mein, ne, dass Du irgendwann noch... Ja, also die AirPods, also grade dann auch diese Over Eers, dann die Smartwatches, die gibt's ja auch gar nicht so lange. Also alles im letzten Jahrzehnt so entstanden. Ah,\n\nSpeaker 0: okay. Oder? Also wenn wir's die letzten 15 Jahre angucken, dann hat dann hat Apple richtig viel neuere.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, genau. Deswegen.\n\nSpeaker 0: Und das ist ja...\n\nSpeaker 1: Es ist schon wieder eine Frage.\n\nSpeaker 2: Es ist Zeithorizont. Genau.\n\nSpeaker 1: Musst Du\n\nSpeaker 0: mal gucken, auf auf was man das Ganze... Genau. Also, es gibt ein neues Produkt, das nennt sich Home View. Bevor jetzt die Apple jünger zu aufgeregt werden, direkte Disclaimer, ah, nutzen englischsprachige Nutzer. Englischsprachig oder nur Nordamerika?\n\nEnglischsprachig.\n\nSpeaker 2: Also, es\n\nSpeaker 0: kommt in Nordamerika und irgendwie, weiß nicht was, Australien und aber 'n bisschen später dann auch in UK. UK. So was wie UK, Indien meine ich. Also son paar Sachen kommen dann schon noch. Ja.\n\nAber es liegt auch vor allen Dingen an, was damit daherkommt. Also, der heißt das Ganze und das ist eigentlich, ich glaub schon, was lange irgendwie einige lange erwartet haben oder gehofft haben, dass es von Apple mal kommt, ist sonen Alexa oder wie heißen die von\n\nSpeaker 1: Google? Google hat so was?\n\nSpeaker 0: Mhm. Google home heißen die einfach nur, ne? Ja, ist gut. Oder der Google Lautsprecher oder wie auch immer. Was haben wir?\n\nWir haben ein Display und einen Lautsprecher und der hat so sehr Apple iconic designmäßig, wie so die alten,\n\nSpeaker 2: weiß gar nicht was, das war 'n iMax oder so, aber auf jeden\n\nSpeaker 0: Fall son son Display, was man nur rumstellen kann. Ja, sieht sieht nett aus und ist dafür gedacht, hat 'n sehr, sehr schönes Introvideo, das lohnt es sich mal anzugucken, weil das eine chaotische gedacht, hat 'n sehr, sehr schönes Introvideo, das lohnt es sich mal anzugucken, weil das eine chaotische Familie, die an einem Morgen sehr amerikanisch alles irgendwie über den Hof wirft und das noch erledigen muss. Und keiner und jeder spricht halt die ganze Zeit mit diesem Gerät und will sein, hat seine persönliche Experience mit diesem Gerät. Mhm. Ich glaube, das ist auch so eine der Haupt oder eine der besonderen Funktionalitäten.\n\nDas ist halt, wenn Du in diesem Apple Ökosystem drin bist, dann ist es eine sehr schöne Ergänzung, denn das Teil erkennt einfach bis zu, ich glaub, 6 Personen, hat den persönlichen Kontext von allen, ist da auch wieder so Privacy first by Design. Das heißt, wenn ich jetzt irgendwo mit meiner Frau zu Hause bin, dann kann ich nicht per se einfach auf ihren Kalender oder ihre Nachrichten lesen oder so was, sondern das erkennt halt, wer grade mit ihm spricht und wer da da ist. Mhm. Ja, und es ist vor allen Dingen halt für so Dinge, also so World Knowledge, man kann halt einfach Siri irgendwelche Sachen fragen in der gewohnten Siri Qualität.\n\nSpeaker 1: Also nicht gut, nicht gut\n\nSpeaker 2: und hat Unzeit, ne? Aber Ja,\n\nSpeaker 0: genau. Mittlerweile\n\nSpeaker 2: neue Siri AI, wenn Du's ordentlich nutzen kannst, die macht schon coole Sachen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Weil ich hab das, glaub ich, letztens irgendwie verwendet, weil ich einfach überprüfen wollte, ob die Aubergine in meinem Kühlschrank noch gut ist und dann gibt's ja diesen diesen KI Moment mit der Kamera. Ja. Der der hat, meine Aubergine hatte gedacht, das wär 'n Weißkohl oder so. Und ich so, hä? Was soll das?\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, also ich\n\nSpeaker 1: weiß gar nicht.\n\nSpeaker 2: Deine Aubergine in die Kamera halten.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, meine Aubergine und dann alle verteilt.\n\nSpeaker 2: Weißkohl. Vor bei deinem Instagram.\n\nSpeaker 1: Genau. Spitzkohl.\n\nSpeaker 0: Es gibt letztendlich halt 'n komplett neues Interface, ne, was da einhergeht, weil es ist 'n quadratischer Bildschirm und das ist dafür optimiert. Man kann 'n Timer stellen, man kann Fotos angucken, man kann Messages, Kalender, Musik, Speaker soll ganz toll sein, obwohl's 'n sehr kleines Gerät ist. Wenn man's erst mal sieht auf den Bildern, denkt man, oh, ist ja vielleicht gar nicht mal so klein, aber wenn man 'n iPhone dagegen hält, ist\n\nSpeaker 2: es auch mal gar nicht\n\nSpeaker 0: mal so groß. Es hat 'n 7 inch Display. Das heißt so, in der Höhe ist es weniger hoch als ein iPhone. Mhm. Und ja, Gesamtfläche vielleicht ähnlich oder so.\n\nAber es ist halt jetzt, es ist es ist nicht riesig, wenn man sich das irgendwo hinstellt und braucht eine Stromverbindung. In den Werbevideos ist einfach in den Esstisch ein Loch gebohrt und da kommt direkt ins Kabel raus so. Das ist kann ab jetzt jeder einfach da reinbauen. Und das Ganze gibt's aber auch in 1 Version, die man direkt an die Wand schrauben kann. Also das heißt, da ist dann dieser Speakersonkel praktisch nicht drin, halt so Hausautomatisierung, Dashboard, Kamera, Türklingel, solche Sachen irgendwie zu haben.\n\nSpeaker 2: Mhm. Der beste Apple Move übrigens auch wieder, ne, dass der Preis gleich ist, egal ob Du diese Speaker Base hast oder dieses Wall Mount System, so kostet Bei\n\nSpeaker 0: dem Wall Mount ist das vielleicht ganz toll hinten noch integriert oder so? Weiß ich nicht. Ja. Kostet 300 Dollar das Ding, also ist halt so als Hausautomatisierung in jedem Raum sich zu hängen. Aber ich mein, läuft halt, ist flüssig, ist ganz cool.\n\nNatürlich so was wie Apple, nicht Apple, FaceTime Calls sind damit auch möglich. Das heißt, man hat eine Kamera, hier\n\nSpeaker 1: die Kurze Fragen, weil Du den Preis von 300 Dollar gesagt hast. Ich hab gar keine Ahnung, wie das wie viel das von Amazon oder von Google kostet. Amazon hatte ich irgendwie echt so 30, 40 Euro im Kopf, also recht günstig.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, also diese Alexa Dinger, also mit Display, die Dinger sind, glaub ich, schon auch teurer.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ach, die gibt's auch mit Display. Ja. Ah, okay, weil das das mir das wär so was Neues so, dass die 'n Display haben, weil das ich die Alexa nur quasi als wirkliche Station nur mit Soundausgabe. Gut\n\nSpeaker 0: immerhin, ich hab son uraltes Alexa Ding. Das gab's nun bei irgend sonem Prime Day oder so was Kostenlos dazu. Ja, eigentlich.\n\nSpeaker 1: Son Echo Echo Echo 5\n\nSpeaker 2: heißt das\n\nSpeaker 0: ja, glaub ich. Also, up, 'n Display und da ist jetzt auch die neue Alexa, die Alexa Plus oder wie sie heißt. Ah, okay. Die kann man jetzt tatsächlich auch recht natürlich mit ihr sprechen. Also es ist wirklich deutlich besser geworden.\n\nMhm. Und find ich auch cool, dass es auf sonem alten Gerät wie dem Main noch läuft.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ach, geil. Ja,\n\nSpeaker 0: das soll jetzt die die grundsätzlichen Informationen erst mal, würd ich dazu sagen, Fragen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Wann kommt's raus?\n\nSpeaker 0: Falls, na ja, also hier gar nicht. Und in Amerika am dreizehnten November.\n\nSpeaker 1: Dreizehnter November, ah, okay.\n\nSpeaker 0: Genau. Ja. Und dann gab's aber noch 'n paar Updates, aber brauchen wir, glaub ich, nicht groß drüber sprechen. Es gibt 'n neuen HomePod mini und wo alle darauf gewartet haben, das neue Apple TV 4 k. Genauso wie das alte Apple TV 4 k, eigentlich sehr ähnlich.\n\nDu kannst jetzt deine Fernbedienung mit diesem dieser Technik, dass man wie son AirTag kannst Du die Fernbedienung aufm Sofa genau lokalisieren, falls Du dich wieder in der Ritze was\n\nSpeaker 1: grade hast. Ja, aus reinlassen.\n\nSpeaker 2: Oh, das ist so gut. Ja, gut, das ist\n\nSpeaker 0: das Feature. Ja. Und Apple TV, auch schlappe schlappe 350 Euro, die man dafür blechen darf. Also falls Du mal upgraden willst, easy. Aber sorry, was\n\nSpeaker 1: ist dieses Apple TV, das ist nur dieses Abo, wie so Netflix oder so, dieses Apple TV?\n\nSpeaker 0: Nee, Apple TV ist diese Set up Box, diese Apple diese, wie nennt man sowas?\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, Set Streamingbox. So, die Streamingbox. Auch für son paar.\n\nSpeaker 1: Wieso dieser Amazon Firestick oder so? Richtig. Ach, okay und dafür ist das. Ja. Okay.\n\nSpeaker 0: Aber auch da würd ich sagen, gleichmäßig von... Ich hab 1 und ich bin auch happy, es zu haben und mag auch Interface und alles und so.\n\nSpeaker 1: Apple TV, Ding hast\n\nSpeaker 0: Du Apple TV, ja. Und ich hab aber son altes und das funktioniert die Familie auch nicht mehr richtig und so. Ich hätte schon Lust auf 'n Neues, aber ich hab keine Lust, 350 Euro für 'n Neues auszugeben.\n\nSpeaker 2: Du kannst auch einfach eine neue Family kaufen, wenn dir jetzt das Ding erst was anfängt, Probleme\n\nSpeaker 0: zu machen. Ich steu\n\nSpeaker 2: ich steu's über mein iPhone mal hauptsächlich. Ja, ja. Ist da nicht so. Aber ich benutz meinen Apple TV auch tatsächlich als mein primäres Device. Also wenn der Fernseher bei mir angeht, ist Apple TV erst mal das, was quasi kommt.\n\nUnd darüber gehen wir dann zu\n\nSpeaker 0: anderen Genau, ich hab auch nur Apple TV\n\nSpeaker 1: als Kurz\n\nSpeaker 2: als Quelle.\n\nSpeaker 1: Kurz nur für mich, weil ich's ja gar nicht nutze. Was ist so das, was ihr richtig geil darin findet, dass ihr's nutzt? Also ich hab Ey,\n\nSpeaker 0: ich mein es ist halt eine iPhone Experience in was Flüssigkeit und Apps angeht aufm\n\nSpeaker 2: Aufm Screen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ah, okay. Ah, okay. Das performt einfach. Ja. Genau, also weil ich benutze die, also ich hab 'n Samsung Fernseher, hab die Samsung OS, so wie\n\nSpeaker 0: es magisch ist und so.\n\nSpeaker 1: Und ich kann genauso mit diesem Apple TV kann ich quasi durch meine Channels durchrotieren Ja, und\n\nSpeaker 2: und dann halt so was weggucken, deine ganzen Apps und so was Du hast,\n\nSpeaker 0: aber halt in in coolflüssigen. Und ja.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ah, okay. Genau, und wenn Du halt zum Beispiel, also wir haben ja auch Fernseher hier über Telekom, dieses Magenta TV Ding und die haben halt auch eine App aufm Apple TV und die performt dann einfach so viel krasser, wenn die aufn Apple TV läuft, als wenn ich quasi aufm Fernseher Fernseher gucken würde oder mit der magentabox das irgendwie machen würde. Oh nein. Und allein diese Performance und das angenehme Gefühl war mir halt das Geld für den Apple TV schon wert. Wobei man da sagen muss, ich glaub, als ich den gekauft hab, ne, Dennis Sán ist ja auch schon 'n bisschen älter.\n\nIch glaub, damals haben die so 150, 160 irgendwie so die Größe die halt\n\nSpeaker 0: so bei 100, ja. Ja.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, so für 300 ist es natürlich schon eine Ansage, so.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, aber also ich ich versteh, aber versteh schon so irgendwie, wenn man mit dem OS des Fernsehers irgendwie nicht zufrieden ist. Ich find die meistens wirklich schlecht tatsächlich und dann sagt, hey, okay, da hab ich 'n cooles OS. Ja, okay, so.\n\nSpeaker 0: Aber ich glaube halt, dass diese Firesticks und so, die gibt's ja auch noch und die sind ja auch einigermaßen performant. Google hat die\n\nSpeaker 1: ja auch\n\nSpeaker 0: so und die sind halt deutlich günstiger.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, ja, genau.\n\nSpeaker 0: Also Von daher. Ja. Na ja, wie halt alles außer der schönen Apple Welt. Apple.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja. Integration\n\nSpeaker 2: von the way.\n\nSpeaker 0: Setou. Setou. Würde ich fast sagen, oder? Was sagt die Zeit, oder? 14.\n\n14 Minuten, ja, komm. Reden wir das nächste Mal über Dots.\n\nSpeaker 2: Wunderbar. Ich hab noch einen ganz coolen Punkt, weil ich vor 2 Wochen, als ich das letzte Mal in den News war, hat ja son Punkt mitgebracht, so, Jan ist neidisch auf Windows User wegen diesen haptischen Mäusen, falls ihr euch erinnert.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja. Ich mach da\n\nSpeaker 2: jetzt eine Kategorie drauf. Ich bin nämlich schon wieder neidisch auf Windows User. Machen wir jetzt immer am Ende der Sendung so, was fehlt? Vorher son bisschen das Apple Ökosystemgehypt grade, ja. Oh.\n\nDie haben irgendwie neue Surface, Laptop, Ultra, bla bla bla vorgestellt, ist alles gar nicht so wichtig, aber die haben ein Feature, was ich mir ja geil finde und zwar haben sie es geschafft, Macsafe USB-C-Ports zu bauen quasi, also magnetische USB-C-Ports, die, wenn Du genug Zug drauf hast, sich selbst releasen können und nicht einfach nur den Stecker quasi aus dem Port reißen, weil sie's geschafft haben, dass die die Buchse quasi sich den Plug in reinsteckt. Anyway, gibt's 'n paar coole Videos, kann man sich mal anschauen. Ist son Feature, wo ich mir gedacht hätte, wieso kommt es nicht von Apple? So, ja? Irgendwie, wir haben hier dieses Macsafe, aber das kann halt nur Strom und dafür muss ich aufn USB-C-Port verzichten und so.\n\nViel cooler wär ja eigentlich, wenn ich an dem USB-Port, der mir Power, Daten, Bildschirm, bla, alles machen kann, wenn ich da diese Macsafe Sicherheit hätte Und der ist Offensichtlich haben die's geschafft.\n\nSpeaker 0: Und der ist, das Kabel muss nicht kompatibel sein. Das heißt, Du kannst da jegliches USB Kabel USB-C-Kabel rein, jeglichen USB-C-Stecker reinstecken?\n\nSpeaker 2: So wie es aussieht, ist die Buchse tatsächlich das Besondere, weil also ich weiß nicht, ob der ob der Steckerkopf sozusagen auch 'n Magnet mitbringen muss, aber der Stecker selbst sieht zumindest nicht anders geformt oder so was aus.\n\nSpeaker 1: Aber also korrigier dich und nicht falschliege, aber bei diesem Ding von Apple, was man da links reinmachen kann, was, also diese kleinen Punkte, die haben doch das auch Ja, ja, das ist\n\nSpeaker 2: ja mein, der will ja das muss\n\nSpeaker 0: man USB-C hemmen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ah, für USB Das ist ja jetzt\n\nSpeaker 2: hab ich's bestimmt. Weißt Du und ich hätt das gerne so für alles.\n\nSpeaker 1: Okay, verstehe. Damit\n\nSpeaker 2: ich einfach hier Jetzt\n\nSpeaker 1: hab ich alles verstanden. Gut.\n\nSpeaker 2: Und es gibt ja so diese USB-C-Magnetadapter, die hab ich ja auch für son paar Ladegeräte hier rumliegen, aber die machen wiederum nur Strom und keine Datenübertragung. Lange Rede, kurzer Sinn, ich will USB-C magnetisch mit Strom und Daten und voller Bandbreite und überhaupt. Dankeschön.\n\nSpeaker 0: Du redest hoffentlich nicht von Magnetic Connect.\n\nSpeaker 2: Du fragst mich jetzt Sachen. Ich hab das hier, ich hab nur mal hier son bisschen Instagram Halbwissen rausgehauen, was irgendwie gesehen hab Genau. Von der Vorstellung.\n\nSpeaker 0: Das wollt ich grad korrigieren. Wenn's das ist, dann ist es 'n proprietärer Stecker, der halt so kleine Magneten noch neben links und rechts hat.\n\nSpeaker 2: Aber wieso wurde es mir dann als USB-c in dem Artikel\n\nSpeaker 0: Weil der Teil, der da reingesteckt wird, halt USB-c ist, aber außenrum sind Magneten, die links und rechts setzen.\n\nSpeaker 2: Dann ist es schon nur noch halb so cool. Aber der Port kann quasi auch fürn anderes USB-C-Kabel verwendet werden, ne. Also da, ich verliert\n\nSpeaker 0: quasi Ja.\n\nSpeaker 2: Nichts an der...\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, okay. Ich bin nur\n\nSpeaker 2: noch halb neidisch. Also Ja. Vielleicht ist die Implementierung noch nicht 100 Prozent perfekt, aber das Ziel ist trotzdem das, was ich haben will.\n\nSpeaker 0: Das Ziel ist das, was Du haben willst, aber guck dir mal 'n Bild an, das willst Du nicht haben. Na ja.\n\nSpeaker 1: Also weil's so länglich ist, meinst Du?\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, also Ja, also es hilft halt nicht. Du brauchst halt genau dieses Kabel. Also das Ding Das Ding wär ja Na,\n\nSpeaker 2: genau, eine universelle Buchse.\n\nSpeaker 1: Nee, stimmt.\n\nSpeaker 0: Aber haben sie nicht gelöst, also kannst nicht entspannen.\n\nSpeaker 2: Okay. Nein, nein, ich will's ja nicht, ich will's ja immer noch haben. So, jetzt Ja, genau. Noch mehr frustriert. 2 ist das Ein Leno weg, USB-C, Magnet weg, das irgendwie, ich weiß nicht, nicht meine Folge hier.\n\nSo. Ja.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ey, nächste Woche wird besser, Jan. Da bist Du\n\nSpeaker 2: nächste Woche Nächste Woche sprechen wir über Dots, dann wird alles gut. Dots Dots. Dots Dots. Das ist nämlich mein Highlight. Ich bin sehr hyped auf das Thema.\n\nSpeaker 0: Sehr gut. Sehr gut. Vielen Dank fürs Zuhören. Vielen Dank, Leute. Feedback an Podcast at Programmier Punkt bar.\n\nWir hören uns nächste Woche wieder. Hab eine ganz schöne Woche. Genieß die letzten Sonnenstrahlen im Oktober. Oh. Und bis nächste Woche.\n\nSpeaker 1: Bis dann. Tschau, tschüs. Tschau, tschau.",[24829,24840,24847,24852,24862,24868,24873,24878,24891,24895,24902,24912,24919,24932,24937,24941,24945,24952,24956,24961,24966,24970,24983,24990,24995,25003,25007,25016,25021,25034,25043,25056,25060,25069,25075,25084,25089,25093,25097,25103,25111,25119,25123,25132,25142,25151,25160,25173,25179,25190,25202,25207,25211,25215,25219,25227,25233,25237,25246,25254,25258,25264,25272,25278,25287,25300,25307,25310,25323,25335,25348,25361,25374,25386,25399,25408,25416,25420,25426,25429,25439,25443,25452,25456,25464,25471,25481,25491,25496,25500,25513,25524,25533,25541,25554,25567,25576,25585,25597,25609,25613,25617,25621,25625,25629,25635,25639,25646,25658,25662,25669,25673,25680,25686,25696,25705,25711,25715,25719,25723,25727,25731,25742,25748,25761,25765,25770,25774,25778,25785,25797,25808,25812,25816,25821,25825,25838,25842,25847,25852,25855,25860,25867,25880,25884,25888,25894,25898,25902,25912,25925,25938,25950,25963,25976,25989,26001,26006,26018,26022,26027,26036,26040,26044,26048,26052,26056,26060,26064,26070,26074,26085,26089,26092,26099,26105,26114,26118,26122,26129,26137,26141,26151,26160,26164,26168,26179,26185,26189,26193,26197,26202,26206,26217,26220,26224,26234,26240,26245,26256,26261,26265,26277,26287,26291,26297,26301,26305,26316,26320,26324,26328,26332,26337,26341,26349,26353,26364,26376,26382,26393,26399,26407,26411,26419,26427,26431,26435,26447,26453,26458,26463,26467,26473,26477,26488,26492,26498,26504,26515,26519,26523,26531,26540,26546,26550,26558,26562,26568,26580,26584,26588,26592,26596,26604,26608,26612,26621,26625,26629,26633,26639,26649,26653,26658,26662,26671,26677,26681,26685,26689,26697,26701,26705,26714,26720,26725,26730,26741,26754,26758,26764,26768,26772,26776,26780,26784,26790,26795,26799,26804,26811,26815,26823,26829,26833,26837,26845,26849,26853,26859,26867,26873,26877,26885,26889,26893,26897,26908,26912,26918,26929,26940,26951],{"sentences":24830,"speaker":130,"num_words":24839,"start":127,"end":425},[24831,24833,24835,24837],{"text":24832,"start":127,"end":173},"Hallo und herzlich willkommen zu den neuen programmierbaren News Kalenderwoche 42.",{"text":24834,"start":178,"end":300},"Wir sprechen heute über Gemini 4, über dass man heute alles Reverse Engineering kann, Dino Cloudflare Übernahme und oder andersrum, Apple hat ein paar eine komplett neue Produktkategorie vorgestellt.",{"text":24836,"start":304,"end":409},"Und wenn am Ende Zeit bleibt, reden wir noch ein bisschen über persönliche Erfahrungen von Open AI Dots, die wir seit ein paar Tagen hier auch unter anderem im Einsatz haben.",{"text":24838,"start":413,"end":425},"Ich bin Dennis Becker.",75,{"sentences":24841,"speaker":106,"num_words":24846,"start":428,"end":462},[24842,24844],{"text":24843,"start":428,"end":448},"Ich bin Dave Acker, David Krusitzky.",{"text":24845,"start":453,"end":462},"Moin, was geht?",9,{"sentences":24848,"speaker":468,"num_words":24851,"start":466,"end":488},[24849],{"text":24850,"start":466,"end":488},"Und ich bin Jan Krieger im Getriebe.",7,{"sentences":24853,"speaker":130,"num_words":24861,"start":492,"end":680},[24854,24856,24858,24859],{"text":24855,"start":492,"end":497},"Moin moin.",{"text":24857,"start":502,"end":656},"So, wir haben hier im Studio, also da, wo Dave und ich sitzen und wer uns über Video sieht, das sind ja nicht so viele, aber könnt ihr mal sagen, ob ihr heute irgendwas anders ist, weil wir neues Licht haben, eine neue Kameraposition, Neue Frisur.",{"text":663,"start":660,"end":661},{"text":24860,"start":661,"end":680},"Ich dachte, Du triggerst",53,{"sentences":24863,"speaker":468,"num_words":24846,"start":680,"end":714},[24864,24866],{"text":24865,"start":680,"end":705},"jetzt eher so auf auf Dave irgendwie.",{"text":24867,"start":705,"end":714},"Das hätte",{"sentences":24869,"speaker":130,"num_words":24872,"start":714,"end":728},[24870],{"text":24871,"start":714,"end":728},"das hätte ich komplett ignoriert.",5,{"sentences":24874,"speaker":106,"num_words":24877,"start":732,"end":756},[24875],{"text":24876,"start":732,"end":756},"Das ist ja mir auch nicht aufgefallen tatsächlich.",8,{"sentences":24879,"speaker":130,"num_words":24890,"start":760,"end":1233},[24880,24882,24884,24886,24888],{"text":24881,"start":760,"end":800},"Und ja, genau, könnt ihr könnt ihr gerne Feedback zu geben.",{"text":24883,"start":800,"end":891},"Wenn heute noch Soundprobleme sind, wir sind immer noch auf Riverside, unsere gewaltcodeelte Aufnahmeapp ist noch nicht startklar, aber hoffentlich nächste Woche dann mit zuverlässiger Audioqualität.",{"text":24885,"start":895,"end":953},"Von daher entschuldigt bitte noch mal, falls ihr in den Folgen da ein bisschen Probleme soundtechnisch von uns hattet.",{"text":24887,"start":957,"end":1145},"Service Announcement am zweiundzwanzigsten Oktober findet das nächste statt hier in Bad Nauheim, also weil sie aus dem Rhein Main Gebiet kommt und ein bisschen was hören möchtet, über ein Lab, das an der THM entstanden ist, wo praktisch Mikrocontroller programmiert und getestet werden können, aber nicht von dort, sondern von remote, dann kommt gerne vorbei.",{"text":24889,"start":1150,"end":1233},"Jakob wird, mit dem wir auch mal eine Folge hier schon über Mikrocontroller gemacht haben, wird dort einen Vortrag halten und wir würden uns über viele Gäste freuen.",140,{"sentences":24892,"speaker":130,"num_words":24872,"start":1237,"end":1248},[24893],{"text":24894,"start":1237,"end":1248},"Und wenn ihr nicht Man",{"sentences":24896,"speaker":468,"num_words":24901,"start":1248,"end":1325},[24897,24899],{"text":24898,"start":1248,"end":1273},"muss auch nicht aus dem Rhein Main Gebiet kommen.",{"text":24900,"start":1273,"end":1325},"Wir hatten ja schon Besucher so aus Köln, München, keine Ahnung, die übernehmen, alles.",23,{"sentences":24903,"speaker":130,"num_words":24861,"start":1329,"end":1501},[24904,24906,24908,24910],{"text":24905,"start":1329,"end":1336},"Ja, natürlich.",{"text":24907,"start":1336,"end":1451},"Das ist richtig, aber es fällt euch natürlich 'n bisschen einfacher für einen Abend aus der Nähe zu kommen, falls ihr denkt, ah, ich würd gern vorbeikommen, aber dafür brauch ich mindestens Content von 2 Tagen.",{"text":24909,"start":1455,"end":1483},"Dann haben wir den fünfundzwanzigsten und sechstenssten November für euch.",{"text":24911,"start":1483,"end":1501},"Da stindet unsere Programmier Constadt.",{"sentences":24913,"speaker":106,"num_words":24918,"start":1505,"end":1532},[24914,24916,24917],{"text":24915,"start":1505,"end":1520},"Was ist denn Wolfgang.",{"text":1529,"start":1525,"end":1526},{"text":306,"start":1531,"end":1532},6,{"sentences":24920,"speaker":130,"num_words":24931,"start":1532,"end":1723},[24921,24923,24925,24927,24929],{"text":24922,"start":1532,"end":1577},"es sind jetzt noch knapp, nee, knapp kann man nicht sagen, gut 10 Tickets vorhanden.",{"text":24924,"start":1581,"end":1602},"Das heißt, wir haben noch 'n paar Wochen.",{"text":24926,"start":1607,"end":1625},"Alle voraussicht nach werden ausverkauft sein.",{"text":24928,"start":1625,"end":1711},"Von daher, wenn ihr dabei sein möchtet und das ist halt tatsächlich auch unsere Kapazitätsgrenze hier in der Location, dann müsst ihr jetzt schnell sein und euch die letzten Tickets sichern.",{"text":24930,"start":1714,"end":1723},"So, Gemini 4.",63,{"sentences":24933,"speaker":130,"num_words":24936,"start":1727,"end":1777},[24934],{"text":24935,"start":1727,"end":1777},"Ich muss 'n bisschen parteiisch sein und zumindest mal einmal sagen, dass Google mir 'n bisschen leidtut, so.",18,{"sentences":24938,"speaker":106,"num_words":468,"start":1777,"end":1787},[24939],{"text":24940,"start":1777,"end":1787},"Okay, krass.",{"sentences":24942,"speaker":130,"num_words":24872,"start":1787,"end":1804},[24943],{"text":24944,"start":1787,"end":1804},"Weil Dafür muss man ja",{"sentences":24946,"speaker":468,"num_words":24951,"start":1804,"end":1837},[24947,24949],{"text":24948,"start":1804,"end":1812},"nicht parteiisch sein.",{"text":24950,"start":1812,"end":1837},"Das, son Mitleid kann man ja immer haben.",11,{"sentences":24953,"speaker":130,"num_words":24872,"start":1837,"end":1852},[24954],{"text":24955,"start":1837,"end":1852},"Okay, ja, mit dem, ja.",{"sentences":24957,"speaker":106,"num_words":24960,"start":1852,"end":1866},[24958],{"text":24959,"start":1852,"end":1866},"Sehr empathisch, Dennis.",3,{"sentences":24962,"speaker":130,"num_words":24965,"start":1870,"end":1982},[24963],{"text":24964,"start":1870,"end":1982},"Ja, aber das ist halt so, weil wenn man sich jetzt ein Jahr ungefähr zurückerinnert, so, im Herbst letzten Jahres waren die so der Überflieger und man halt so gesagt, ja easy, Google hat das im Griff.",37,{"sentences":24967,"speaker":106,"num_words":24851,"start":1982,"end":2006},[24968],{"text":24969,"start":1982,"end":2006},"Da kam doch auch Germanight 3 raus.",{"sentences":24971,"speaker":130,"num_words":24982,"start":2006,"end":2333},[24972,24974,24976,24978,24980],{"text":24973,"start":2006,"end":2086},"Genau, gell, ne, geilste Modelle, egal ob Videogenerierung, Video, Imagegenerierung und so weiter, alles top Notge, alles das Beste.",{"text":24975,"start":2089,"end":2113},"Und dann ist es ziemlich ruhig geworden, weil ja.",{"text":24977,"start":2113,"end":2217},"Und kriegen natürlich auch irgendwie viel Häme dafür und dann releasen sie was Neues und dann wird ihnen vorgeworfen, ja, das ist ja nur auf Benchmarks optimiert und jetzt sieht das wieder ganz toll aus am Ende.",{"text":24979,"start":2222,"end":2239},"Hab das dann doch wieder nicht gemacht.",{"text":24981,"start":2242,"end":2333},"Und ehrlicherweise, also wir haben jetzt noch keine Tests von Gemini 4, was liegt auch daran, dass der Roll out jetzt auch nicht so einfach gestaltet ist, dass man's einfach jetzt nutzen kann.",105,{"sentences":24984,"speaker":130,"num_words":24989,"start":2337,"end":2403},[24985,24987],{"text":24986,"start":2337,"end":2349},"Das macht's 'n bisschen kompliziert.",{"text":24988,"start":2349,"end":2403},"Also ihr habt's eben, Jan, Du hast ja ganz gut zusammengefasst, was denkst Du, wo's verfügbar ist?",22,{"sentences":24991,"speaker":468,"num_words":24994,"start":2406,"end":2492},[24992],{"text":24993,"start":2406,"end":2492},"Ich dachte nur für AI Pro und Ultimate Subscriber und auch eigentlich ja nur so richtig in Anti Gravity zu nutzen, wenn man so Power Useage haben will,",28,{"sentences":24996,"speaker":130,"num_words":25002,"start":2495,"end":2597},[24997,24998,25000],{"text":2499,"start":2495,"end":2496},{"text":24999,"start":2496,"end":2566},"Genau und aber auch, glaub ich, in Enterprise, muss man mal Enterprise an, also Workspace Enterprise oder wie das auch immer heißt.",{"text":25001,"start":2566,"end":2597},"Wir nennen das ja alles dauerhaft Aber ich dachte, das",33,{"sentences":25004,"speaker":468,"num_words":24951,"start":2597,"end":2632},[25005],{"text":25006,"start":2597,"end":2632},"sind wir auch Enterprise Workspace Hat die jetzt auch noch nie?",{"sentences":25008,"speaker":130,"num_words":25015,"start":2632,"end":2755},[25009,25011,25013],{"text":25010,"start":2632,"end":2678},"Nee, wir sind, das heißt auch irgendwie dann eher Work Teams oder Standard oder so.",{"text":25012,"start":2678,"end":2699},"Wir sind da, glaub ich, auch nicht Enterprise.",{"text":25014,"start":2703,"end":2755},"Also bei Cloud oder so ist Enterprise auch noch mal was anderes als hast Du ja mal Account.",41,{"sentences":25017,"speaker":468,"num_words":25020,"start":2758,"end":2767},[25018],{"text":25019,"start":2758,"end":2767},"Ja, wo sie jetzt",4,{"sentences":25022,"speaker":130,"num_words":25033,"start":2767,"end":3040},[25023,25025,25027,25029,25031],{"text":25024,"start":2767,"end":2818},"auch umbenannt haben, diese Germany for Work, da heißt die App jetzt auch einfach nur noch Germany.",{"text":25026,"start":2818,"end":2868},"Also da weiß man auch nicht mehr, was das jetzt eigentlich tatsächlich am Ende ist, was man da bekommt.",{"text":25028,"start":2873,"end":2955},"Anyway, das neue Frontiermodell von Google ist rausgekommen und es gibt auch da immer so eine Model Sheet, was sie veröffentlichen oder die Model Card nennt sich die.",{"text":25030,"start":2955,"end":2991},"Und da sind sie auch, haben sie natürlich auch 'n paar Benchmarks drauf gepackt.",{"text":25032,"start":2995,"end":3040},"Und rein rein nach den Zahlen ist es auf jeden Fall ein sehr, kann man sagen, ne.",95,{"sentences":25035,"speaker":130,"num_words":25042,"start":3040,"end":3218},[25036,25038,25040],{"text":25037,"start":3040,"end":3128},"Das heißt, auf dem Deep SWRE Benchmark, auf dem White Code Bench, alles Mögliche, was angeht, so nennen sie, also von Walz, automation Bench.",{"text":25039,"start":3132,"end":3200},"Da haben sie überall höhere Scores als die letzten so großen, also Claude als Opos 5 5, als Was glaub ich?",{"text":25041,"start":3205,"end":3218},"Fehle 5, astra, Astra.",49,{"sentences":25044,"speaker":468,"num_words":25055,"start":3223,"end":3531},[25045,25047,25049,25051,25053],{"text":25046,"start":3223,"end":3262},"Woran das liegt, dass sie das jetzt dieses Mal so sehr limitiert Verfügung stellen?",{"text":25048,"start":3262,"end":3327},"Also Sie haben ja in den letzten paar Wochen, glaub ich, auch schon die Gemini 3 Pro irgendwie mehr restrittiv gehandelt, ja.",{"text":25050,"start":3330,"end":3409},"Und ist das son Ding, dass Sie jetzt irgendwie anfangen wollen, damit irgendwie nennenswert Geld zu verdienen oder so was und deshalb das irgendwie so besser tieren müssen?",{"text":25052,"start":3413,"end":3489},"Oder haben Sie einfach selber sonen Ressourcenkonst auf Ihrer Seite und können nicht mehr Inference für alle irgendwie bereitstellen, wie das vielleicht früher mal war?",{"text":25054,"start":3492,"end":3531},"Da das ist eigentlich das, was mich an diesem Release am meisten so wundert.",103,{"sentences":25057,"speaker":468,"num_words":24936,"start":3531,"end":3576},[25058],{"text":25059,"start":3531,"end":3576},"Gar nicht mal, wie viel besser das ist oder so, sondern wie viel weniger es zur Verfügung steht.",{"sentences":25061,"speaker":130,"num_words":25068,"start":3576,"end":3770},[25062,25064,25066],{"text":25063,"start":3576,"end":3615},"Ich glaube, ihnen fehlt aktuell der Zugang zu den Nutzern son bisschen.",{"text":25065,"start":3615,"end":3687},"Also weißt Du, Du hast halt irgendwie deine Codex App und deine Cloud App und irgendwie sind da jetzt User dran gewöhnt und da irgendwie schon relativ eingeloggt.",{"text":25067,"start":3687,"end":3770},"Und ich glaube, ihnen fehlt grade noch so der Produkttake auf dem Modell, wo Sie jetzt riesig das bewerben können und sagen können, das ist neue Ding, nutzt das jetzt sofort.",71,{"sentences":25070,"speaker":468,"num_words":24989,"start":3770,"end":3840},[25071,25073],{"text":25072,"start":3770,"end":3829},"Ja, aber dann müssten Sie's ja für umso mehr Leute zur Verfügung stellen, dann macht ja dieses restriktivlichkeit ganz klar.",{"text":25074,"start":3833,"end":3840},"Weniger Sinn.",{"sentences":25076,"speaker":130,"num_words":25083,"start":3843,"end":3966},[25077,25079,25081],{"text":25078,"start":3843,"end":3853},"Ich weiß nicht, oder?",{"text":25080,"start":3853,"end":3940},"Sie haben was in der Hinterhand und warten jetzt noch 'n bisschen und können uns dann noch 'n bisschen machen, dann kommt jetzt der große Umschlag, wo alles einfach noch mal ersetzt wird.",{"text":25082,"start":3940,"end":3966},"Und gibt's nicht mehr und hast Du nicht gesehen.",46,{"sentences":25085,"speaker":468,"num_words":24960,"start":3969,"end":3981},[25086,25087,25088],{"text":3973,"start":3969,"end":3970},{"text":3978,"start":3970,"end":3976},{"text":3978,"start":3980,"end":3981},{"sentences":25090,"speaker":130,"num_words":24960,"start":3984,"end":3990},[25091],{"text":25092,"start":3984,"end":3990},"Ich weiß nicht.",{"sentences":25094,"speaker":106,"num_words":25020,"start":3990,"end":4006},[25095],{"text":25096,"start":3990,"end":4006},"Spekulat es auch, ne.",{"sentences":25098,"speaker":468,"num_words":24951,"start":4006,"end":4036},[25099,25101],{"text":25100,"start":4006,"end":4021},"Ist auch sehr lustig, ne.",{"text":25102,"start":4021,"end":4036},"Also das ist ja eher fast",{"sentences":25104,"speaker":130,"num_words":24994,"start":4036,"end":4118},[25105,25107,25109],{"text":25106,"start":4036,"end":4052},"'n bisschen verbuggt, kann man sagen.",{"text":25108,"start":4052,"end":4113},"Ja, Dave Dave hat seine App offen und das ist der große Teaser, sie dir an fast Vielleicht 4 kann.",{"text":25110,"start":4115,"end":4118},"4 kann.",{"sentences":25112,"speaker":106,"num_words":25002,"start":4118,"end":4218},[25113,25115,25117],{"text":25114,"start":4118,"end":4158},"Damit ich auf Los geht's und ich kann das Modell gar nicht auswählen.",{"text":25116,"start":4158,"end":4193},"Ich kann nur auf 3 Punkt 6 Flash Pro und so gehen.",{"text":25118,"start":4193,"end":4218},"Aber eigentlich die großen Ideen umsetzen, die wir",{"sentences":25120,"speaker":130,"num_words":25020,"start":4218,"end":4229},[25121],{"text":25122,"start":4218,"end":4229},"auch, ist ja ganz",{"sentences":25124,"speaker":106,"num_words":25131,"start":4229,"end":4315},[25125,25127,25129],{"text":25126,"start":4229,"end":4235},"nett so.",{"text":25128,"start":4235,"end":4272},"Den perfekten Espresso zubereiten, tägliche Routinen verfolgen, Finanzentscheidung durchspielen.",{"text":25130,"start":4272,"end":4315},"Also eigentlich alles, was andere auch können, aber irgendwie ist das jetzt deren USP an der",27,{"sentences":25133,"speaker":130,"num_words":24931,"start":4317,"end":4505},[25134,25135,25137,25139,25141],{"text":4320,"start":4317,"end":4318},{"text":25136,"start":4318,"end":4348},"Also ich mein, das ist irgendwie, find ich auch interessant.",{"text":25138,"start":4348,"end":4410},"Ich weiß ja gar nicht, ob die Modelle explizit dafür trainiert wurden und halt einfach so als Use Case rausgepurzelt ist.",{"text":25140,"start":4410,"end":4500},"Die letzten Großen von Open AI, also Astra und auch Opus 5 5 sind ja sehr gut auch in diesem physikalischen Space, also drei-d-Generierung, Blender Nutzung und so weiter geworden.",{"text":4507,"start":4500,"end":4505},{"sentences":25143,"speaker":130,"num_words":25150,"start":4505,"end":4674},[25144,25146,25148],{"text":25145,"start":4505,"end":4528},"Was jetzt eben bei Argon auch so ist.",{"text":25147,"start":4530,"end":4540},"Ja, ist irgendwie spannend.",{"text":25149,"start":4540,"end":4674},"Ich frag mich, ob da im Hintergrund 1 gesagt hat, hey, das ist 'n guter Use Case, den sollten wir auf jeden Fall irgendwie abdecken oder einfach so, dass mit der Intelligenz sozusagen einfach dieser dieser räumlich die Räumlichkeit noch dazugekommen ist und deswegen das so gut funktioniert.",60,{"sentences":25152,"speaker":468,"num_words":25159,"start":4677,"end":4973},[25153,25155,25157],{"text":25154,"start":4677,"end":4831},"Und da muss man wieder sagen, Stichwort Google und wie sie so Sachen veröffentlichen, als sie vor Monaten dieses Omnimodell wieder mal gezeigt hatten, was ja so ihr Model und das kann alles und kennt alles und so, da war ja so drei-d-Gestaltung und Rendering in Echtzeit und so war ja voll son Feature da drin.",{"text":25156,"start":4835,"end":4893},"So, ja, also da da waren sie quasi schon eigentlich den anderen voraus, aber sie haben es halt nie irgendwo zugänglich gemacht so.",{"text":25158,"start":4893,"end":4973},"Es war son eine coole Demo auf der Bühne, haben sie mal gesehen und demonstriert, dass sie das können und dann war's auch wieder in der Schublade verschwunden.",107,{"sentences":25161,"speaker":130,"num_words":25172,"start":4976,"end":5252},[25162,25164,25166,25168,25170],{"text":25163,"start":4976,"end":5055},"Ich mein, auch da in dem ne, in dem Launch Artikel dazu sind sie so halt so interne Use Cases durchgegangen, was Jamlike 4 alles intern so gemacht hat.",{"text":25165,"start":5055,"end":5084},"Also beispielsweise Chrome hat wohl riesige Updates bekommen.",{"text":25167,"start":5084,"end":5140},"Also da sind ganz, ganz viele Dinge neu geschrieben worden und machen Dinge kleiner und schneller, schlecht zusammengefasst.",{"text":25169,"start":5143,"end":5213},"Und aber auch im Bereich, ne, Science, da war ja Google oder Deep Mind schon immer relativ weit irgendwelche, ja, jetzt kommst Du zu ihnen Fallsstrukturen.",{"text":25171,"start":5218,"end":5252},"Danke, Herr Alter, unser Bio Chemiker, Bio Biomatiker.",89,{"sentences":25174,"speaker":130,"num_words":24994,"start":5256,"end":5332},[25175,25177],{"text":25176,"start":5256,"end":5267},"Kann das besser einordnen.",{"text":25178,"start":5270,"end":5332},"Genau, aber auf dieser Schiene, ne, wo sie ja irgendwie auch viel machen so im im Research, so im Hintergrund mit dem ganzen Zeug.",{"sentences":25180,"speaker":106,"num_words":25189,"start":5335,"end":5417},[25181,25183,25185,25187],{"text":25182,"start":5335,"end":5341},"Ja, stimmt.",{"text":25184,"start":5341,"end":5386},"Ja, vielleicht haben die gesagt so, wir können gar nicht mehr mittlerweile mit und mit OpenAI konkurrieren.",{"text":25186,"start":5390,"end":5404},"Wir müssen auf eine andere Schiene gehen.",{"text":25188,"start":5407,"end":5417},"Können natürlich auch sein.",30,{"sentences":25191,"speaker":130,"num_words":25201,"start":5419,"end":5564},[25192,25193,25195,25197,25199],{"text":4320,"start":5419,"end":5420},{"text":25194,"start":5420,"end":5443},"Ich glaub, ganz überlassen werden sie sich nicht.",{"text":25196,"start":5443,"end":5470},"Ich glaub, es fehlt noch son bisschen halt, ja, die die...",{"text":25198,"start":5470,"end":5538},"Ist es ja auch, das wollt ich noch erwähnen, ist ja auch superinteressant in diesem, ach, Wording, keine Ahnung, Germany irgendwas Gedöns.",{"text":25200,"start":5542,"end":5564},"Gibt es ja auch jetzt, dass mit drin ist.",51,{"sentences":25203,"speaker":130,"num_words":25206,"start":5564,"end":5593},[25204],{"text":25205,"start":5564,"end":5593},"Also Google hat ja jetzt in 1 der mit als als Modellangebot.",12,{"sentences":25208,"speaker":468,"num_words":468,"start":5597,"end":5600},[25209],{"text":25210,"start":5597,"end":5600},"Ist ja",{"sentences":25212,"speaker":130,"num_words":24851,"start":5600,"end":5622},[25213],{"text":25214,"start":5600,"end":5622},"auch irgendwie auch 'n superinteressanter Move ist.",{"sentences":25216,"speaker":468,"num_words":468,"start":5625,"end":5630},[25217,25218],{"text":4320,"start":5625,"end":5626},{"text":5632,"start":5626,"end":5630},{"sentences":25220,"speaker":130,"num_words":25002,"start":5630,"end":5730},[25221,25223,25225],{"text":25222,"start":5630,"end":5642},"sie das gemacht haben.",{"text":25224,"start":5644,"end":5660},"Ja, mal gucken, wohin das geht.",{"text":25226,"start":5663,"end":5730},"Und wahrscheinlich, ich mein, ich weiß nicht, wie lange Apple unterschrieben hat damals im letzten Herbst, so von wegen, wir sitzen auf Google.",{"sentences":25228,"speaker":106,"num_words":25020,"start":5730,"end":5746},[25229,25231],{"text":25230,"start":5730,"end":5739},"Oh nein.",{"text":25232,"start":5739,"end":5746},"Das stimmt.",{"sentences":25234,"speaker":468,"num_words":25020,"start":5746,"end":5755},[25235],{"text":25236,"start":5746,"end":5755},"Vielleicht ist das ja",{"sentences":25238,"speaker":130,"num_words":25245,"start":5755,"end":5906},[25239,25241,25243],{"text":25240,"start":5755,"end":5819},"auch für die ausreichend, dass sie praktisch das komplette iOS Ökosystem befeuern mit ihren Modellen, dann brauchen sie gar nicht so viel machen.",{"text":25242,"start":5819,"end":5844},"Vielleicht ist auch auch das 'n Kapazitätsenjagden, ne?",{"text":25244,"start":5844,"end":5906},"Also ich mein, wenn viel auch von denen irgendwie von der Apple Infrastruktur jetzt da läuft, vielleicht haben die gar nicht so große Sorgen.",55,{"sentences":25247,"speaker":468,"num_words":25015,"start":5906,"end":6024},[25248,25250,25252],{"text":25249,"start":5906,"end":5939},"Na Na ja, da muss man dann auch wieder sagen, ne.",{"text":25251,"start":5939,"end":5977},"Also Apple stellt ja seine AI Features auch nur sehr selektiv seinen Kunden bereit.",{"text":25253,"start":5977,"end":6024},"Also wenn Du nicht grade in Nordamerika wohnst, hast Du ja, bist Du quasi schon raus.",{"sentences":25255,"speaker":106,"num_words":25020,"start":6024,"end":6038},[25256],{"text":25257,"start":6024,"end":6038},"Keine Features, keine Features.",{"sentences":25259,"speaker":468,"num_words":25020,"start":6041,"end":6054},[25260,25261,25263],{"text":4320,"start":6041,"end":6042},{"text":25262,"start":6042,"end":6048},"Von daher.",{"text":6056,"start":6053,"end":6054},{"sentences":25265,"speaker":130,"num_words":24989,"start":6059,"end":6128},[25266,25268,25270],{"text":25267,"start":6059,"end":6071},"apropos, es wird alles besser.",{"text":25269,"start":6074,"end":6120},"Beispielsweise Apps, werden jetzt immer besser, weil man kann sie einfach sich selbst schreiben, oder?",{"text":25271,"start":6120,"end":6128},"Worum geht's.",{"sentences":25273,"speaker":106,"num_words":25002,"start":6128,"end":6237},[25274,25276],{"text":25275,"start":6128,"end":6136},"Ganz genau.",{"text":25277,"start":6136,"end":6237},"Also, ich jetzt son Clickbait Youtuber wär, hätte ich, glaub ich, so als Titel genommen, jede Software Open Source, ob wir meine Hände sofort aufs Gesicht halten und total schockiert gucken.",{"sentences":25279,"speaker":468,"num_words":25286,"start":6241,"end":6294},[25280,25282,25284],{"text":25281,"start":6241,"end":6273},"Ihr nehmt das bitte als Clip für Ich wollt grad sagen.",{"text":25283,"start":6275,"end":6285},"Für Social Media.",{"text":25285,"start":6289,"end":6294},"Genau so.",16,{"sentences":25288,"speaker":106,"num_words":25299,"start":6294,"end":6585},[25289,25291,25293,25295,25297],{"text":25290,"start":6294,"end":6320},"Ja, bitte genau, wenn ich das genauso haben.",{"text":25292,"start":6320,"end":6503},"Nee, ich weiß nicht, also ob euer Social Media Feed davon auch total voll war, aber bei mir, also weil ich hab auch so Gaming als Interesse natürlich und total häufig Videos gesehen irgendwie, Du hast das Spiel gesehen Call of Duty und auf einmal haben die Soldaten angefangen, auf 'nem Skateboard rumzufahren und sind dann durch die Map so irgendwie auf 'nem Skateboard gefahren.",{"text":25294,"start":6503,"end":6528},"Ich hab gesagt, hey, ist das 'n AI Video?",{"text":25296,"start":6532,"end":6541},"Aber nee, war's nicht.",{"text":25298,"start":6541,"end":6585},"Oder soll irgendwie irgendwie, dass Super Mario auf einmal in Elden Ring oder so was war.",102,{"sentences":25301,"speaker":106,"num_words":25306,"start":6585,"end":6700},[25302,25304],{"text":25303,"start":6585,"end":6615},"Und ich hab mir so, wieso werden diese Videos jetzt immer häufiger?",{"text":25305,"start":6618,"end":6700},"Und das knüpft 'n bisschen an diese Diskussion von letzter Woche an, Dennis, die ihr hattet hier zu dritt, von wegen so, na ja, dann bau ich mir die Software halt einfach selbst.",45,{"sentences":25308,"speaker":130,"num_words":106,"start":6700,"end":6703},[25309],{"text":4507,"start":6700,"end":6703},{"sentences":25311,"speaker":106,"num_words":25322,"start":6703,"end":6931},[25312,25314,25316,25318,25320],{"text":25313,"start":6703,"end":6762},"Und das geht jetzt einfacher denn je, denn eigentlich muss man sagen, das ist 'n Reput, das auf GitHub komplett explodiert ist.",{"text":25315,"start":6762,"end":6790},"Und zwar nennt sich das REA, Reverse Engineer Anything.",{"text":25317,"start":6794,"end":6869},"Und das hat innerhalb von, glaub ich, jetzt der letzten Woche einfach über 200000 Sterne bekommen auf GitHub, also ist komplett wirklich senkrecht nach umgegangen, wie das zugewachsen ist.",{"text":25319,"start":6871,"end":6889},"Und was ist eigentlich der Promis davon?",{"text":25321,"start":6889,"end":6931},"Also mithilfe dieses Tools kann dein Agent quasi jede Software, die es draußen gibt, nachbauen.",82,{"sentences":25324,"speaker":106,"num_words":25334,"start":6931,"end":7231},[25325,25327,25329,25331,25332],{"text":25326,"start":6931,"end":7001},"So, das ist einfach der einfache Promis, das sind MCP und da gibt's eigentlich keine Grenzen dafür, was benötigt wird, damit was nachgebaut werden kann, ne.",{"text":25328,"start":7001,"end":7082},"Also natürlich normalerweise, wenn Software ausgeliefert wird, dann wird das ja kompiliert und Du hast ja dann quasi Binärcode einfach so und dein dein Rechner kann es dann halt einfach durchführen, ne.",{"text":25330,"start":7082,"end":7141},"Also wir haben jetzt irgendwie beispielsweise die Native Binarys wie die Windows-Exe oder hier auf auf MacBooks die Punkt app.",{"text":4507,"start":7141,"end":7145},{"text":25333,"start":7145,"end":7231},"Aber auch gleichzeitig natürlich, wenn wir im Browser unterwegs sind, haben wir natürlich dann irgendwie 'n bisschen auch das JavaScript dort 'n bisschen ver, wie nennt man das, score, ob scoreified.",110,{"sentences":25336,"speaker":106,"num_words":25347,"start":7235,"end":7476},[25337,25339,25341,25343,25345],{"text":25338,"start":7235,"end":7259},"Genau oder Android APKs und so was alles.",{"text":25340,"start":7259,"end":7294},"Das reicht aus, das zu Reverse engineering und daraus den gesamten Code wiederherzustellen.",{"text":25342,"start":7298,"end":7370},"Das ist halt quasi, Du kannst dann einfach sagen so, hey, mir gefällt Photoshop beispielsweise, dass also grad die Adobe Produkte wurden sehr, sehr häufig dabei genannt.",{"text":25344,"start":7370,"end":7397},"Photoshop find ich ganz cool, bau mir das genauso nach.",{"text":25346,"start":7397,"end":7476},"Und da ist halt das Coole im Gegensatz zu dem, wie's vorher war, davor konntest Du natürlich deinem Agents sagen so, hey, bau mir mal sone Anwendung wie Photoshop nach.",88,{"sentences":25349,"speaker":106,"num_words":25360,"start":7476,"end":7798},[25350,25352,25354,25356,25358],{"text":25351,"start":7476,"end":7515},"Aber Photoshop hat ja sehr viele Funktionen wie, keine Ahnung, 'n Weichzeichner zum Beispiel.",{"text":25353,"start":7518,"end":7594},"Und ich glaub, das ist ja auch das, was grad Photoshop irgendwie cool macht, so im Sinne von, die haben irgend eine coole Funktion mathematisch dahinter, damit das wirklich gut aussieht.",{"text":25355,"start":7597,"end":7635},"Und davor hat dann Agent einfach nur geraten, na ja, so wird man das mathematisch theoretisch machen.",{"text":25357,"start":7635,"end":7691},"So und jetzt kann es halt genauso schauen so, hey, wie macht Photoshop das eigentlich und halt diese Funktionalität 1 zu 1 übernehmen.",{"text":25359,"start":7694,"end":7798},"Gleichzeitig kann's natürlich auch sagen so, hey, ich möcht zwar Photoshop haben, aber beispielsweise Gym 3 hat die und die Funktion und die gefällt mir besser, nimmt das Bild aus Gimp 3 und macht das in meine Anwendung rein, ne.",125,{"sentences":25362,"speaker":106,"num_words":25373,"start":7798,"end":7960},[25363,25365,25367,25369,25371],{"text":25364,"start":7798,"end":7863},"Also dass man das halt quasi wirklich 1 zu 1 übernehmen kann, was schon sehr, sehr cool ist, weil man das halt natürlich dann irgendwie in der Funktionalität nachbauen kann.",{"text":25366,"start":7866,"end":7884},"Aber das natürlich 'n bisschen einzuordnen, Ja.",{"text":25368,"start":7887,"end":7904},"Das ist natürlich alles kein Hexenwerk, ne.",{"text":25370,"start":7904,"end":7934},"Also es ist halt 'n 'n 'n MCP, der da drin ist.",{"text":25372,"start":7937,"end":7960},"Und was das eigentlich macht, ist, das verknüpft diese ganzen Tools.",67,{"sentences":25375,"speaker":106,"num_words":25385,"start":7960,"end":8171},[25376,25378,25380,25382,25383],{"text":25377,"start":7960,"end":7976},"Also die Tools haben schon vorher existiert.",{"text":25379,"start":7980,"end":8064},"Beispielsweise, was man da so in dem Bereich kennt, ist Gitra, das ist son Framework von der NSA, Software reverse zu engineeren, Hopper, IDA Pro und so was.",{"text":25381,"start":8064,"end":8144},"Also also gängige Tools, die man eigentlich auch kennt und das macht sich halt jetzt quasi, also einfach nur sone Pipeline so, hey, nutzt das, da irgendwie diese Coachstelle herauszufinden.",{"text":4507,"start":8148,"end":8149},{"text":25384,"start":8149,"end":8171},"Das, das zu interpretieren und so was alles.",74,{"sentences":25387,"speaker":106,"num_words":25398,"start":8174,"end":8473},[25388,25390,25392,25394,25396],{"text":25389,"start":8174,"end":8217},"Und das ist natürlich jetzt superconvenient, muss an der Stelle nicht raten, wie's halt irgendwie umgesetzt wird.",{"text":25391,"start":8217,"end":8363},"Und das Gute ist, was was an an diesem REA megagut funktioniert, dass es sich selbst ganz Zeit im Loop hält, ne, weil das hat ja quasi ganze Zeit das Original und weiß, oh, guck mal, die Funktionalität sieht so aus, ich bau das nach, sieht es jetzt genauso aus oder mach das Ergebnis genau dasselbe?",{"text":25393,"start":8367,"end":8426},"Wenn ja, dann ist gut, wenn nein, okay, dann iterier ich noch mal weiter rum und schau noch mal tiefer in den Code.",{"text":25395,"start":8430,"end":8444},"Und das ist natürlich sehr, sehr cool.",{"text":25397,"start":8444,"end":8473},"Du sahst grade so aus, als würdest Du aber was sagen wollen.",115,{"sentences":25400,"speaker":130,"num_words":25407,"start":8476,"end":8540},[25401,25403,25405],{"text":25402,"start":8476,"end":8486},"Noch ist es mir...",{"text":25404,"start":8489,"end":8505},"Ich weiß gar nicht, wie ich da...",{"text":25406,"start":8505,"end":8540},"Es hört sich sehr positiv an bei dir, aber erzähl erst mal weiter.",24,{"sentences":25409,"speaker":106,"num_words":25373,"start":8540,"end":8721},[25410,25412,25414],{"text":25411,"start":8540,"end":8548},"Ja, ich, genau.",{"text":25413,"start":8551,"end":8667},"Also das das Ding ist, also weil ich ja auch irgendwie sehr plakativ jetzt auch am Anfang gesagt hab, also jede Software ist jetzt Open Source und da können wir den Raum die Fragen natürlich stellen, ist jetzt Software as a Service irgendwie tot?",{"text":25415,"start":8670,"end":8721},"Und da muss man ganz realistisch einfach mit, ich sag mal, 'nem Jein antworten, denn also man weiß ja auch",{"sentences":25417,"speaker":468,"num_words":24851,"start":8723,"end":8743},[25418],{"text":25419,"start":8723,"end":8743},"Ein ganz entschiedenes Jein, ganz, ganz entschiedenes",{"sentences":25421,"speaker":106,"num_words":25131,"start":8746,"end":8815},[25422,25424],{"text":25423,"start":8746,"end":8763},"Jein, so zu 0 Prozent Jein.",{"text":25425,"start":8763,"end":8815},"Nee, also man muss ja auch sagen so, also das eine ist ja natürlich, wenn man Funktionalität in der Anwendung hat,",{"sentences":25427,"speaker":130,"num_words":106,"start":8815,"end":8817},[25428],{"text":371,"start":8815,"end":8817},{"sentences":25430,"speaker":106,"num_words":25438,"start":8817,"end":9019},[25431,25433,25435,25437],{"text":25432,"start":8817,"end":8869},"außerhalb dieses Frontend Kontext ist, dann also dann weiß der Agent natürlich trotzdem weiterhin nicht, was da ist, ne.",{"text":25434,"start":8869,"end":8962},"Also der sieht zum Beispiel, hey, okay, an der Stelle wird eine Anfrage gestellt an den Server, was da dahintersteckt beim Server, wenn da irgendwelche Sachen irgendwie verarbeitet werden, weiß der Agent ja trotzdem nicht, ne.",{"text":25436,"start":8962,"end":9016},"Beispielsweise ich glaub, also Photoshop hat ja auch jetzt die Funktionalität, dass man ja auch KI nutzen kann, irgendwas zu erweitern.",{"text":4507,"start":9016,"end":9019},77,{"sentences":25440,"speaker":468,"num_words":468,"start":9019,"end":9024},[25441],{"text":25442,"start":9019,"end":9024},"Das wird",{"sentences":25444,"speaker":106,"num_words":25451,"start":9024,"end":9103},[25445,25447,25449],{"text":25446,"start":9024,"end":9051},"ja an den Server geschickt und dann kommt 'n Ergebnis zurück.",{"text":25448,"start":9051,"end":9078},"Also die Magie dahinter kann man dann nicht nachbauen so.",{"text":25450,"start":9078,"end":9103},"Das müsste man dann selbst noch mal irgendwie schlauer machen.",31,{"sentences":25453,"speaker":130,"num_words":24846,"start":9103,"end":9127},[25454],{"text":25455,"start":9103,"end":9127},"Alle Apps werden jetzt einfach nur noch Serveranwender haben.",{"sentences":25457,"speaker":106,"num_words":25463,"start":9127,"end":9280},[25458,25459,25461],{"text":9132,"start":9127,"end":9130},{"text":25460,"start":9130,"end":9237},"Also das ist auch so, also viel, also vielleicht, tun wir auf, also vielleicht nimmt man das alles son bisschen weiter hoch in in die in die Cloud oder aufm Server so, einfach zu verhindern, dass das halt dann kopiert wird, so.",{"text":25462,"start":9237,"end":9280},"Also ist die Frage, ob das wirklich dann die Zukunft ist, einfach nur den Code wirklich zu schützen.",61,{"sentences":25465,"speaker":468,"num_words":25470,"start":9284,"end":9354},[25466,25468],{"text":25467,"start":9284,"end":9308},"Ja, aber er macht ja Software Service schon so.",{"text":25469,"start":9308,"end":9354},"Also die allermeisten von diesen Anwendungen liegen ja zu 'nem gewissen Teil schon irgendwo in der Wolke,",26,{"sentences":25472,"speaker":106,"num_words":25480,"start":9357,"end":9446},[25473,25474,25475,25477,25479],{"text":1854,"start":9357,"end":9358},{"text":9363,"start":9358,"end":9361},{"text":25476,"start":9361,"end":9408},"Aber ist das, also grad bei Adobe Produkten hab ich gedacht, die kann ich auch alle offline nutzen.",{"text":25478,"start":9408,"end":9443},"Also es ist schon sehr lange her, dass ich die benutzt habe tatsächlich.",{"text":4320,"start":9443,"end":9446},34,{"sentences":25482,"speaker":106,"num_words":25245,"start":9446,"end":9586},[25483,25485,25487,25489],{"text":25484,"start":9446,"end":9486},"Aber damals so, keine Ahnung, jegliche Funktionalität, also konnt ich ja auch einfach offline benutzen.",{"text":25486,"start":9486,"end":9539},"Also ich hab Adobe Audition benutzt und meine ganze Musik damit zu bearbeiten, das hab ich ja alles offline gemacht.",{"text":25488,"start":9539,"end":9557},"Und das könnte man ja damit nachstellen.",{"text":25490,"start":9557,"end":9586},"Das heißt, die Funktionalität muss ja auf meinem Rechner sein an der Stelle.",{"sentences":25492,"speaker":130,"num_words":25495,"start":9589,"end":9650},[25493],{"text":25494,"start":9589,"end":9650},"Weißt Du, ob dieser große Adobe Klon, der so total viral gegangen ist mit diesen Produkten, hatte hatte der das auch schon im Hintergrund gebracht?",25,{"sentences":25497,"speaker":468,"num_words":24951,"start":9650,"end":9682},[25498],{"text":25499,"start":9650,"end":9682},"Genau, das ist, glaub ich, so das, was daraus hervorgehen, dieses,",{"sentences":25501,"speaker":106,"num_words":25512,"start":9686,"end":9788},[25502,25504,25506,25508,25510],{"text":25503,"start":9686,"end":9735},"ne, also eigentlich jedes Produkt von Adobe wurd irgendwas mit Fotocraft, Musiccraft und so was alles Ja.",{"text":25505,"start":9737,"end":9744},"Glaub ich gemacht.",{"text":25507,"start":9746,"end":9763},"Genau, das ist, glaub ich, daraus entstanden so.",{"text":25509,"start":9763,"end":9777},"Das war das ganz große Ding.",{"text":25511,"start":9780,"end":9788},"Genau, was aber auch",38,{"sentences":25514,"speaker":468,"num_words":25245,"start":9790,"end":9941},[25515,25517,25519,25520,25522],{"text":25516,"start":9790,"end":9818},"Hast Du irgendwas gelesen, Dave, wie teuer das jetzt so ist?",{"text":25518,"start":9818,"end":9874},"Also ich stell mir das halt schon, also auch wenn es voll automatisiert vor, als also unglaublich komplexe Arbeit irgendwie vor, ja?",{"text":4320,"start":9874,"end":9878},{"text":25521,"start":9878,"end":9928},"Wo ich da, weiß nicht, Hunderte Millionen von Tokens irgendwie durchballern muss, bis da irgendwas passiert.",{"text":25523,"start":9928,"end":9941},"Hast Du irgendwas da gefunden?",{"sentences":25525,"speaker":106,"num_words":25532,"start":9944,"end":10191},[25526,25528,25530],{"text":25527,"start":9944,"end":10020},"Genau, also ich ich ich wollt das erst mal selbst ausprobieren, da mir son eigenes Bild zu machen, aber hab's leider jetzt nicht geschafft, weil das jetzt relativ frisch ist.",{"text":25529,"start":10020,"end":10060},"Also ist so quasi Anfang der Woche, am Montag ist er so durch die Decke gegangen.",{"text":25531,"start":10063,"end":10191},"Aber ich hab hier einzeln dort paar Videos von Leuten angeschaut, die, ich sag mal so, mittelkomplexe Anwendungen nachgebaut haben, also etwas, womit Du deinen Desktop recorden kannst, irgendwie dann beispielsweise den Mauszeiger schön animieren, Übergänge machen, dich selbst dabei filmen und so was alles und das",93,{"sentences":25534,"speaker":468,"num_words":25286,"start":10193,"end":10237},[25535,25537,25539],{"text":25536,"start":10193,"end":10204},"noch mal zu schneiden.",{"text":25538,"start":10204,"end":10231},"Also ist schon gutes Stück Software, aber natürlich nicht überkomplex.",{"text":25540,"start":10231,"end":10237},"Und da",{"sentences":25542,"speaker":106,"num_words":25553,"start":10237,"end":10485},[25543,25545,25547,25549,25551],{"text":25544,"start":10237,"end":10345},"muss man sagen, das hat sich dann in 'nem Bereich bewegt von so, ich sag mal, 100 bis 120 Dollar an Token, die da verbraucht wurden, wo halt quasi die also die Großteil des einfach genau dafür drauf gegangen ist.",{"text":25546,"start":10345,"end":10375},"Und da muss man aber natürlich das auch 'n Verhältnis setzen, ne.",{"text":25548,"start":10375,"end":10415},"Das ist dann etwas, okay, Du gibst dann halt einmalig für deine Software 100 bis 120 Dollar aus.",{"text":25550,"start":10415,"end":10470},"So, dann steht sie, Du kannst es natürlich customizen und Du musst natürlich kein monatliches Abo zahlen an der Stelle, ne.",{"text":25552,"start":10470,"end":10485},"Das ist natürlich dann die Schlussfolgerung.",97,{"sentences":25555,"speaker":106,"num_words":25566,"start":10488,"end":10789},[25556,25558,25560,25562,25564],{"text":25557,"start":10488,"end":10523},"Weil ich sag mal, auch generell bei Software hier draußen Konsumenten hassen diesen Trick.",{"text":25559,"start":10526,"end":10557},"Ja, aber also vielleicht vielleicht ist das son bisschen philosophisch an der Stelle, ne.",{"text":25561,"start":10557,"end":10624},"Aber ich sag mal, bei dieser ganzen KI Geschichte, wir reden ja sehr viel darüber so, Jobsicherheit werden grad die ganze Softwareentwickler durch AI ersetzt.",{"text":25563,"start":10624,"end":10730},"Und auf der anderen Seite so, ich sag mal, die Unternehmen waren in Anführungszeichen nicht so ganz bedroht, aber jetzt, sag mal diesen Befreiungsschlag von wegen so, hey, ich bin nicht mehr an die Preispolitik von den ganzen Unternehmen irgendwie daran gebunden.",{"text":25565,"start":10734,"end":10789},"So, ich sag zum Beispiel, hey, Adobe hat's wieder 10 Euro erhöht für 'n Monat so, ich ich seh's nicht irgendwie ein.",117,{"sentences":25568,"speaker":106,"num_words":25575,"start":10789,"end":10901},[25569,25571,25573],{"text":25570,"start":10789,"end":10863},"Na ja, dann mach ich mir die Anwendung selbst und schneidest da auf meine Bedürfnisse hinzu, ne, dass ich sage so, hey, 80 Prozent der Anwendung nutz ich nicht.",{"text":25572,"start":10863,"end":10886},"Ich mach da son Slim Ding aus 20 Prozent.",{"text":25574,"start":10886,"end":10901},"Kann mir das so selbst bauen?",44,{"sentences":25577,"speaker":468,"num_words":25584,"start":10904,"end":11080},[25578,25580,25582],{"text":25579,"start":10904,"end":10941},"Ja, ist halt irgendwie wenn Du in den 20 Prozent drin bist, wahrscheinlich schon, ne.",{"text":25581,"start":10941,"end":11047},"Aber ich hab jetzt auch grade zu diesen Adobe Nachbauten son paar Blogposts gelesen, die halt auch gesagt haben, so wow, cooler Proof of Concept, aber so produktiv täglich nutzen wollen, würd ich das jetzt halt auch irgendwie nicht, ne.",{"text":25583,"start":11047,"end":11080},"Weil halt auch noch sehr viele grobe Ecken da irgendwie dann drin sind.",68,{"sentences":25586,"speaker":106,"num_words":25172,"start":11083,"end":11305},[25587,25589,25591,25593,25595],{"text":25588,"start":11083,"end":11088},"Ja, genau.",{"text":25590,"start":11088,"end":11111},"Also das ist, glaub ich, auch das Entscheidende so.",{"text":25592,"start":11111,"end":11152},"Ich glaub, Unternehmen werden auch da son bisschen zu gezwungen, halt weiterhin trotzdem irgendwie die zu bieten.",{"text":25594,"start":11152,"end":11249},"Also entweder, dass man so merkt, hey, das ist wirklich besser oder dass man sagt so, hey, natürlich, Du kannst dein eigenes Produkt machen, aber wir machen ganze Zeit Updates, wir verbessern das, wir machen neue Features und so, ne.",{"text":25596,"start":11249,"end":11305},"Ich mein, ich sag, also wir machen ja hier Mobile Games bei Lotum und wir sind ja genauso davon betroffen, ne.",{"sentences":25598,"speaker":106,"num_words":25360,"start":11305,"end":11622},[25599,25601,25603,25605,25607],{"text":25600,"start":11305,"end":11342},"Man kann das ja auch quasi unsere Spiele wirklich schnell kopieren, sag ich mal.",{"text":25602,"start":11342,"end":11443},"Aber wir haben ja auch grade so, wenn ich jetzt von von unserem Produkt Wordpress rede so, wir haben natürlich eine große Userbasis, ist grade bei 'nem sozialen Spiel total wichtig, dass ihr mit Leuten irgendwie interagieren kannst, spielen kannst.",{"text":25604,"start":11443,"end":11498},"Wir haben natürlich auch irgendwie grad, wir benutzen Wörterbuch für unsere Wörter so, das ist ja auch immer gepflegt und geupdatet.",{"text":25606,"start":11502,"end":11544},"Da sind ja noch sehr, sehr viele Sachen, die dann weiter im Hintergrund sind und wir machen regelmäßig Updates.",{"text":25608,"start":11544,"end":11622},"Das ist ja der Grund, warum dann Leute dann sagen, hey, okay, euer Produkt ist ja wirklich besser, Ich ich benutz es weiterhin, anstatt mir mein eigenes Produkt damit zu machen.",{"sentences":25610,"speaker":106,"num_words":24994,"start":11625,"end":11688},[25611],{"text":25612,"start":11625,"end":11688},"Aber grade für so, glaub ich, so kleinere Software, die halt wirklich nur son Frontend bisschen was macht und so, ich glaub, das wird schnell davon ersetzt werden.",{"sentences":25614,"speaker":468,"num_words":25407,"start":11688,"end":11757},[25615],{"text":25616,"start":11688,"end":11757},"So eine kleine Podcast Aufnahmesoftware, die irgendwie nicht gut funktioniert, die die sehe ich richtig bedroht hier schon, ja, von den Leuten, die Aber",{"sentences":25618,"speaker":130,"num_words":24872,"start":11757,"end":11771},[25619],{"text":25620,"start":11757,"end":11771},"ich hab's nicht beim Controlling",{"sentences":25622,"speaker":468,"num_words":25020,"start":11771,"end":11784},[25623],{"text":25624,"start":11771,"end":11784},"ankommen und das nervt.",{"sentences":25626,"speaker":130,"num_words":24918,"start":11788,"end":11805},[25627],{"text":25628,"start":11788,"end":11805},"Ich hab's nicht reverse engineered immerhin.",{"sentences":25630,"speaker":468,"num_words":24951,"start":11805,"end":11838},[25631,25633],{"text":25632,"start":11805,"end":11830},"Nee, nee, das wollt ich auch gar nicht bauen.",{"text":25634,"start":11834,"end":11838},"Das ist",{"sentences":25636,"speaker":130,"num_words":24960,"start":11838,"end":11846},[25637],{"text":25638,"start":11838,"end":11846},"halt Ganz neu",{"sentences":25640,"speaker":468,"num_words":25645,"start":11848,"end":11950},[25641,25643],{"text":25642,"start":11848,"end":11882},"genau dieser Scope von genau diese Größe, die da am meisten gefährdet ist.",{"text":25644,"start":11882,"end":11950},"So Software, für die Du vielleicht so zwischen 10, 20 Euro bezahlst und die so einen sehr speziellen Use Case für dich bedient, das ist Ja.",39,{"sentences":25647,"speaker":130,"num_words":25657,"start":11953,"end":12091},[25648,25650,25652,25654,25655],{"text":25649,"start":11953,"end":11985},"Wobei ich's technisch schon sehr, also eher komplex finde, muss ich sagen.",{"text":25651,"start":11985,"end":11997},"Also diese Aufnahme App.",{"text":25653,"start":11997,"end":12030},"Da sind ja da sind ja jetzt schon sehr, sehr viele Dinge, die passieren.",{"text":4320,"start":12030,"end":12034},{"text":25656,"start":12034,"end":12091},"Mit Video Encoding, Hardware auswählen, online speichern, nach oben buffern, Ausbrüche aus Ausfälle und so weiter.",47,{"sentences":25659,"speaker":130,"num_words":24989,"start":12091,"end":12148},[25660],{"text":25661,"start":12091,"end":12148},"Also da ist ja jetzt schon, also technisch hätt ich hätt ich da vor ohne ohne KI sehr, sehr viel Respekt gehabt.",{"sentences":25663,"speaker":106,"num_words":25668,"start":12148,"end":12262},[25664,25666],{"text":25665,"start":12148,"end":12206},"Ich mein, das ist auch eine Disziplin, von der Du wenig Ahnung hast, ne, also mit Audioengineering, Videoentcoding und so.",{"text":25667,"start":12206,"end":12262},"Das ist ja, also das ist ja nicht dein, es ist ja nicht dein, Du hast es ja nicht gelernt.",40,{"sentences":25670,"speaker":130,"num_words":24877,"start":12262,"end":12288},[25671],{"text":25672,"start":12262,"end":12288},"Na ja, was hab ich studiert, mein Lieber?",{"sentences":25674,"speaker":468,"num_words":25679,"start":12292,"end":12317},[25675,25677],{"text":25676,"start":12292,"end":12310},"Ja, das ist ja Dennis ja mit mit...",{"text":25678,"start":12313,"end":12317},"Oh Gott.",10,{"sentences":25681,"speaker":106,"num_words":24951,"start":12321,"end":12348},[25682,25684],{"text":25683,"start":12321,"end":12333},"Gut, ich hab nichts gesagt.",{"text":25685,"start":12333,"end":12348},"Das schneiden wir einfach gleich raus.",{"sentences":25687,"speaker":130,"num_words":25695,"start":12350,"end":12441},[25688,25690,25692,25693],{"text":25689,"start":12350,"end":12395},"Ob jetzt, ne, Aktie von Adobe im letzten Monat 10 Prozent runtergegangen, also schon relativ...",{"text":25691,"start":12398,"end":12424},"Ob das jetzt direkt damit zusammenhängt, weiß man nicht, aber Ja.",{"text":4320,"start":12427,"end":12428},{"text":25694,"start":12428,"end":12441},"Da hat natürlich alles Einfluss.",32,{"sentences":25697,"speaker":106,"num_words":25704,"start":12444,"end":12588},[25698,25700,25702],{"text":25699,"start":12444,"end":12450},"Ja, das stimmt.",{"text":25701,"start":12450,"end":12551},"Also und mich mich würd's auch mal interessieren, also schreibt uns gerne auch mal, falls ihr jetzt inspiriert worden seid von diesem Tool, das mal zu nutzen, einfach so, was eure Anwendungsfelder für sind und wie gut das funktioniert hat.",{"text":25703,"start":12551,"end":12588},"Also ich will's auf jeden Fall selbst auch noch mal ausprobieren jetzt im Laufe der Woche.",59,{"sentences":25706,"speaker":130,"num_words":24851,"start":12592,"end":12609},[25707,25709],{"text":25708,"start":12592,"end":12603},"Hast Du schon eine Idee?",{"text":25710,"start":12603,"end":12609},"Hab ich",{"sentences":25712,"speaker":106,"num_words":24918,"start":12609,"end":12624},[25713],{"text":25714,"start":12609,"end":12624},"noch nicht, hab ich noch nicht.",{"sentences":25716,"speaker":130,"num_words":25020,"start":12624,"end":12639},[25717],{"text":25718,"start":12624,"end":12639},"Ich was Storyverse unbedingt.",{"sentences":25720,"speaker":106,"num_words":468,"start":12639,"end":12646},[25721],{"text":25722,"start":12639,"end":12646},"Das muss",{"sentences":25724,"speaker":130,"num_words":24872,"start":12648,"end":12661},[25725],{"text":25726,"start":12648,"end":12661},"Vielleicht die Programmier Neue Aufnahme.",{"sentences":25728,"speaker":106,"num_words":468,"start":12665,"end":12672},[25729],{"text":25730,"start":12665,"end":12672},"Programmierpunkt Rack.",{"sentences":25732,"speaker":468,"num_words":25495,"start":12677,"end":12751},[25733,25735,25737,25738,25740],{"text":25734,"start":12677,"end":12699},"Bessere Daumen Ganz doofe Frage, Dave.",{"text":25736,"start":12699,"end":12718},"Vielleicht bist Du da auch so Ja.",{"text":12726,"start":12722,"end":12723},{"text":25739,"start":12723,"end":12737},"Ich weiß das auch nicht.",{"text":25741,"start":12737,"end":12751},"Darf darf man das einfach so?",{"sentences":25743,"speaker":468,"num_words":25002,"start":12751,"end":12840},[25744,25746],{"text":25745,"start":12751,"end":12828},"Also wenn ich jetzt hier son son Softwarefaket hab, egal ob, ne, Executable oder son Package oder irgendwas, den ich sag jetzt, ich will da irgendwas mit machen.",{"text":25747,"start":12828,"end":12840},"Ist das ist das okay?",{"sentences":25749,"speaker":106,"num_words":25760,"start":12843,"end":13085},[25750,25752,25754,25756,25758],{"text":25751,"start":12843,"end":12881},"Na na ja, also wahrscheinlich steht in den Lizenzen irgendwo drin so, hey, das ist nicht erlaubt.",{"text":25753,"start":12884,"end":13004},"Ich kann mir auch gut vorstellen, dass die jetzt in Zukunft irgendwas reinschreiben in die Codebasis, dass Agenten draufstoßen, so Agenten draufstoßen und so, ja okay, das soll ich doch nicht machen, weil ich gegen irgendwas verstoße, also und aus, ob das irgendwie darüber gefixt wird.",{"text":25755,"start":13006,"end":13048},"Aber man muss ja auch ehrlicherweise sagen, also würde ich damit ein Konkurrenzprodukt auf den Markt bringen?",{"text":25757,"start":13048,"end":13060},"Auf gar keinen Fall.",{"text":25759,"start":13060,"end":13085},"So, ne, das ist natürlich, also irgendwie so, keine Ahnung.",94,{"sentences":25762,"speaker":106,"num_words":468,"start":13089,"end":13092},[25763],{"text":25764,"start":13089,"end":13092},"Das wär",{"sentences":25766,"speaker":130,"num_words":24872,"start":13092,"end":13107},[25767,25769],{"text":25768,"start":13092,"end":13103},"auch 'n bisschen dumm.",{"text":711,"start":13103,"end":13107},{"sentences":25771,"speaker":468,"num_words":24960,"start":13107,"end":13114},[25772],{"text":25773,"start":13107,"end":13114},"wär genau son",{"sentences":25775,"speaker":106,"num_words":468,"start":13114,"end":13119},[25776],{"text":25777,"start":13114,"end":13119},"bisschen so.",{"sentences":25779,"speaker":468,"num_words":24846,"start":13119,"end":13154},[25780,25782,25784],{"text":25781,"start":13119,"end":13133},"Morgen publish stellen.",{"text":25783,"start":13133,"end":13146},"5 Bilder, 2 Wörter.",{"text":25588,"start":13149,"end":13154},{"sentences":25786,"speaker":106,"num_words":25796,"start":13154,"end":13350},[25787,25789,25791,25792,25794],{"text":25788,"start":13154,"end":13210},"Aber aber ich sag mal, ne, also Photoshop hast Du ja für dich selbst benutzt und Du hast ja nicht mit anderen Leuten interagiert.",{"text":25790,"start":13210,"end":13266},"Und wenn Du halt lokal bei dir privat einfach so was wie Photoshop nutzt so, also da kriegt ja kein Haar nach so.",{"text":4320,"start":13266,"end":13268},{"text":25793,"start":13268,"end":13284},"Das ist ja etwas, womit niemand interagiert.",{"text":25795,"start":13286,"end":13350},"Und genau, gleichzeitig so, ich sag mal, sone Plattform wie Instagram, das kannst ja auch, also ich glaub, dafür bräuchtst Du das Tool nicht mal.",80,{"sentences":25798,"speaker":106,"num_words":25807,"start":13350,"end":13506},[25799,25801,25803,25805],{"text":25800,"start":13350,"end":13400},"Du kannst natürlich jetzt schon 'nem Agent vor 'nem halben Jahr oder Jahr sagen so, hey, bau mir so was wie Instagram nach.",{"text":25802,"start":13400,"end":13454},"Aber die Plattform hat ja keinen Erfolg, weil sie davon lebt ja, dass Leute da drauf kommen oder die muss halt irgendwas besser machen.",{"text":25804,"start":13454,"end":13493},"Und dann hast Du ja schon ein Alleinstellungsmerkmal, wenn Du halt die Upgrades machst.",{"text":25806,"start":13493,"end":13506},"Deswegen Bei Instagram kannst",65,{"sentences":25809,"speaker":468,"num_words":24951,"start":13506,"end":13530},[25810],{"text":25811,"start":13506,"end":13530},"Du halt jetzt auch sagen, da liegt natürlich die größte Magie",{"sentences":25813,"speaker":130,"num_words":25679,"start":13532,"end":13558},[25814],{"text":25815,"start":13532,"end":13558},"auf den Servern, die Du nicht revers an den Link.",{"sentences":25817,"speaker":106,"num_words":24872,"start":13558,"end":13573},[25818,25819],{"text":9132,"start":13558,"end":13562},{"text":25820,"start":13562,"end":13573},"Und das ist, genau.",{"sentences":25822,"speaker":130,"num_words":468,"start":13573,"end":13579},[25823,25824],{"text":4320,"start":13573,"end":13576},{"text":9132,"start":13576,"end":13579},{"sentences":25826,"speaker":106,"num_words":25837,"start":13581,"end":13747},[25827,25829,25831,25833,25835],{"text":25828,"start":13581,"end":13597},"Ja, das ist halt so sehr viel, ne.",{"text":25830,"start":13597,"end":13680},"Also man muss ja halt immer schauen, aber ich glaub halt Dinge, die einfach deinen Alltag erleichtern, wo Du das halt nur für dich persönlich nutzt, da kann dir ja quasi niemand was sagen so.",{"text":25832,"start":13683,"end":13704},"So hast Du halt einfach selbst für dich gebaut.",{"text":25834,"start":13704,"end":13733},"Du verteilst diese Software nicht so, nutzt es nur für dich selbst.",{"text":25836,"start":13735,"end":13747},"Wer soll sich da beschweren?",69,{"sentences":25839,"speaker":106,"num_words":24960,"start":13751,"end":13760},[25840],{"text":25841,"start":13751,"end":13760},"Befreit euch, Kameraden.",{"sentences":25843,"speaker":130,"num_words":24846,"start":13763,"end":13788},[25844,25845],{"text":13767,"start":13763,"end":13764},{"text":25846,"start":13769,"end":13788},"Wer wurde auch befreit aus aus seinen Freiheiten?",{"sentences":25848,"speaker":106,"num_words":25020,"start":13792,"end":13803},[25849,25850],{"text":4320,"start":13792,"end":13793},{"text":25851,"start":13793,"end":13803},"Aus seinen Fängen?",{"sentences":25853,"speaker":130,"num_words":24960,"start":13803,"end":13811},[25854],{"text":25851,"start":13803,"end":13811},{"sentences":25856,"speaker":468,"num_words":24872,"start":13811,"end":13826},[25857,25859],{"text":25858,"start":13811,"end":13821},"Aus seinen eigenen Fängen.",{"text":13828,"start":13825,"end":13826},{"sentences":25861,"speaker":106,"num_words":24901,"start":13830,"end":13891},[25862,25864,25866],{"text":25863,"start":13830,"end":13837},"Ich bin traurig.",{"text":25865,"start":13840,"end":13886},"Ich wollt sagen, Jan, also jetzt lohnt sich die Kamera anzuschalten, weil Jan hat schon 5 Tränen im Gesicht.",{"text":2353,"start":13890,"end":13891},{"sentences":25868,"speaker":468,"num_words":25879,"start":13893,"end":14028},[25869,25871,25873,25875,25877],{"text":25870,"start":13893,"end":13919},"die offizielle Überschrift war Dino ist Joining Cloudflair.",{"text":25872,"start":13923,"end":13941},"Also und das geht darum, dass...",{"text":25874,"start":13944,"end":13994},"Also ich find diese Formulierung immer, ne, soundso Joint soundso, die werden halt übernommen und gekauft.",{"text":25876,"start":13997,"end":14020},"Also also das muss man ja auch irgendwie nicht schönreden.",{"text":25878,"start":14023,"end":14028},"Wieso, jetzt",42,{"sentences":25881,"speaker":130,"num_words":24936,"start":14028,"end":14072},[25882],{"text":25883,"start":14028,"end":14072},"haben Sie die großen Möglichkeiten, die Sie vorher nicht hatten, endlich mal das Beste aus dem Produkt rauszuholen?",{"sentences":25885,"speaker":106,"num_words":24960,"start":14076,"end":14082},[25886,25887],{"text":25275,"start":14076,"end":14080},{"text":9132,"start":14080,"end":14082},{"sentences":25889,"speaker":468,"num_words":25189,"start":14085,"end":14168},[25890,25892],{"text":25891,"start":14085,"end":14130},"Jetzt mit der mit der Kasse von Cloudflyer immer irgendwie richtig Spaß haben im Dino Projekt.",{"text":25893,"start":14133,"end":14168},"Darüber hätte ich mich auch sehr gefreut, wenn Sie nicht Dino eingestampft hätten im",{"sentences":25895,"speaker":106,"num_words":24960,"start":14170,"end":14177},[25896],{"text":25897,"start":14170,"end":14177},"Das Beste, was",{"sentences":25899,"speaker":468,"num_words":25020,"start":14177,"end":14191},[25900],{"text":25901,"start":14177,"end":14191},"ich dir das Produkt",{"sentences":25903,"speaker":106,"num_words":24846,"start":14191,"end":14227},[25904,25906,25908,25909,25911],{"text":25905,"start":14191,"end":14197},"passieren konnte.",{"text":25907,"start":14201,"end":14207},"Sorry, 3.",{"text":14215,"start":14211,"end":14212},{"text":25910,"start":14217,"end":14222},"Alles gut.",{"text":25910,"start":14222,"end":14227},{"sentences":25913,"speaker":468,"num_words":25924,"start":14227,"end":14671},[25914,25916,25918,25920,25922],{"text":25915,"start":14227,"end":14248},"Also vielleicht einmal die TLDA Version vorab.",{"text":25917,"start":14251,"end":14301},"Dino Deploy, was so ihre Server Runtime Infrastruktur für Dino Projekte war, wird in den nächsten 6 Monaten abgeschaltet.",{"text":25919,"start":14304,"end":14437},"Dino selbst, das Runtime Projekt wird in dem nächsten Jahr abgeschaltet, kriegt bis dahin noch son paar Security Patches und JSA, was ja so ihr Versuch war, eine neue, modernere Alternative zu NPM zu schaffen, die wird weiter betrieben und von von Cloudflair übernommen.",{"text":25921,"start":14440,"end":14620},"So, und ich muss sagen, der Teil macht mich erst mal super traurig, ich fand Dino von der Developer Experience und von der Toolchain, die da so mitgekommen ist, eigentlich immer supercool und hat für mich genau die Probleme gelöst, die ich eigentlich immer mit diesem elenden JavaScript Ökosystem gehabt hab, ich mich halt so viel irgendwie selber kümmern muss und nichts standardmäßig so vorgegeben wird von dem Ökosystem, ja?",{"text":25923,"start":14620,"end":14671},"Ich musste irgendwie selber, brauchst Du hier 'n Linter und da 'n Transpider und keine Ahnung, irgendwie was alles.",159,{"sentences":25926,"speaker":468,"num_words":25937,"start":14671,"end":14811},[25927,25929,25931,25933,25935],{"text":25928,"start":14671,"end":14689},"Und Dino hat sich ja das alles gekümmert.",{"text":25930,"start":14689,"end":14724},"Du konntest direkt dein Projekt starten, sagen, hier, Dino Run und fertig.",{"text":25932,"start":14724,"end":14761},"Und das fand ich irgendwie immer sehr, sehr starten, sagen hier, Dino Run und fertig.",{"text":25934,"start":14764,"end":14779},"Und das fand ich irgendwie immer sehr, sehr.",{"text":25936,"start":14779,"end":14811},"Und ich find's schade, dass es das dann so nicht mehr geben wird.",56,{"sentences":25939,"speaker":468,"num_words":25949,"start":14813,"end":15183},[25940,25941,25943,25945,25947],{"text":13767,"start":14813,"end":14814},{"text":25942,"start":14817,"end":14908},"Warum hat Cloudfair aber so viel Interesse an Dino und Dino ja auch irgendwie Interesse scheinbar an Cloudflair, weil es wär ja keine feindliche Übernahme oder so was, sondern die haben's da ja schon geeinigt.",{"text":25944,"start":14911,"end":15017},"Und zwar gibt's da von Ryan Dahl, dem Macher von NoJS und dem Macher von Dino auch 'n coolen Blogpost, wo er son bisschen schreibt, na ja, Dino war ja schon so sein Versuch, die Developer Experience irgendwie cooler zu machen.",{"text":25946,"start":15019,"end":15154},"Aber er hat halt im Laufe der Arbeit an Dino halt auch gemerkt, dass das Tooling die herum eigentlich nur 'n begrenzter Hebel ist, weil bei modernen Anwendungen halt viel, viel mehr auf Infrastrukturseite eigentlich liegt, mit Server, mit Datenbank, mit Edge Distribution, mit hast Du alles nicht gesehen.",{"text":25948,"start":15156,"end":15183},"Und deshalb hat ja auch Dino immer mehr in dieser Richtung gemacht.",138,{"sentences":25951,"speaker":468,"num_words":25962,"start":15183,"end":15581},[25952,25954,25956,25958,25960],{"text":25953,"start":15183,"end":15240},"Sie haben Dino deploy gemacht, sie haben Dino Key value gemacht, eine Datenbank anbieten zu können und so weiter und so fort.",{"text":25955,"start":15243,"end":15346},"Und je länger Sie halt daran gearbeitet haben, desto mehr haben Sie gesehen, okay, das ist eigentlich der viel größere Hebel, mit dem wir uns beschäftigen wollen und sollen, halt eben da developern wirklich noch mal was leichter machen zu können.",{"text":25957,"start":15346,"end":15361},"Und gar nicht mal so unbedingt die.",{"text":25959,"start":15364,"end":15471},"Insbesondere auch, weil sie grade in den letzten Jahren natürlich auch gesehen haben, dass diese harte Abweichung von now j s an manchen Stellen, weil sie wirklich andere potenziell bessere Entscheidungen treffen wollten, oftmals gar nicht so möglich war, ja.",{"text":25961,"start":15471,"end":15581},"Also Dino hat ja erst dann wirklich gut funktioniert oder ist dann erst wirklich angenommen worden, als sie diese hundertprozentige, ich sag mal, Abwärtskompatibilität mit now js wiederhergestellt hatten, so die's ja von Anfang an eigentlich nicht gab, ganz bewusst nicht gab, so.",153,{"sentences":25964,"speaker":468,"num_words":25975,"start":15581,"end":15939},[25965,25967,25969,25971,25973],{"text":25966,"start":15581,"end":15658},"Und dann haben sie sich, glaub ich, schon son bisschen gefühlt wie, na ja, jetzt haben wir doch wieder diese No JS Kette irgendwie am Bein und müssen das alles mitziehen.",{"text":25968,"start":15662,"end":15688},"Also versuchen wir uns mehr auf Infrastrukturseite irgendwie verdient zu machen.",{"text":25970,"start":15690,"end":15832},"Und das war natürlich dann der Moment, wo auch 'n Cloudflare draufgucken kann und sagt, okay, wenn ihr euch darum kümmern wollt, Edge Computing, Caching, Infrastruktur, Deployment und bla, dann seid ihr natürlich bei uns irgendwie sehr gut aufgehoben, weil das ist im Prinzip auch viel von dem, was was wir so machen, ja.",{"text":25972,"start":15832,"end":15919},"Cloudflare beschreibt in dem Blogpost, wir verlinken das hier auch noch mal, Sie haben auch 'n Blogpost veröffentlicht, so ihre Arbeit an Cloudflare Workern, an diesen, na, wie haben Sie's genannt?",{"text":25974,"start":15922,"end":15939},"Diesen neuen, den Sie vorgestellt haben.",133,{"sentences":25977,"speaker":468,"num_words":25988,"start":15942,"end":16304},[25978,25980,25982,25984,25986],{"text":25979,"start":15942,"end":15998},"Und da sagen sie halt, okay, da können wir halt sehr von dem profitieren, was Ryan und das Dinoteam in letzter Zeit gebaut haben.",{"text":25981,"start":16000,"end":16048},"Und committen sich trotzdem natürlich auch noch mal dazu, dass viel von der Arbeit irgendwie auch weiterhin Open Source bleiben wird.",{"text":25983,"start":16048,"end":16077},"So, weil das ja immer gerne so der Vorwurf in Richtung Cloudflare ist.",{"text":25985,"start":16080,"end":16194},"Ja, hier werden irgendwie Cloudflare Workers gebaut und Du kannst es aber nur wirklich nutzen, wenn Du deine halbe Anwendung darauf optimierst, dass sie quasi auf Workers läuft und dann ist sie aber sehr wenig portabel hin zu anderen runtimes wieder und so weiter und so fort.",{"text":25987,"start":16194,"end":16304},"Und deshalb haben wir gesagt, nee, wir versuchen da mehr mit Open Source irgendwie zu machen, damit dieser Lock in Effekt oder dieser Lock in Gedanke da irgendwie nicht entsteht und das ist jetzt auch 'n Teil von dem, was das Dino Team da eben tun soll.",152,{"sentences":25990,"speaker":468,"num_words":25463,"start":16307,"end":16462},[25991,25993,25995,25997,25999],{"text":25992,"start":16307,"end":16380},"Also ich sag mal, ich bin immer noch son bisschen traurig, aber wenn Sie diesen Hebel bei Cloudflare wirklich so nutzen wie da beschrieben, dann kann da trotzdem noch was Cooles rauskommen.",{"text":25994,"start":16380,"end":16412},"Ich hätte mir trotzdem gewünscht, dass Deno weiter meinteint wird.",{"text":25996,"start":16412,"end":16443},"Sie lassen das ja alles open source, vielleicht übernimmt das ja irgendjemand anderes.",{"text":25998,"start":16443,"end":16452},"Wo ist sie?",{"text":26000,"start":16455,"end":16462},"Schauen wir mal.",{"sentences":26002,"speaker":106,"num_words":26005,"start":16464,"end":16548},[26003],{"text":26004,"start":16464,"end":16548},"Das heißt, nur noch mal zusammengefasst, das heißt Cloudflare hatte eigentlich das primäre Interesse, dass die einfach dieses Wissen vom Dino Team übernehmen und quasi, also das Team war das Wichtige bei der User Übernahme.",35,{"sentences":26007,"speaker":468,"num_words":26017,"start":16551,"end":16750},[26008,26010,26012,26014,26016],{"text":26009,"start":16551,"end":16654},"Ja, also es geht ihnen nicht darum, dass sie die Dino Runtime jetzt irgendwie nehmen wollen und dadurch die ausbauen wollen oder so was, sondern eher die Expertise und die Ideen, die das Dino Team hatte, auf Infrastrukturseite jetzt noch was zu machen.",{"text":26011,"start":16654,"end":16671},"Das ist eigentlich das, was Sie haben wollen.",{"text":26013,"start":16671,"end":16729},"Ironischerweise ist die Dino runtime selbst gefühlt nur son Byproduct, an dem grade keiner mehr so wirklich Interesse zu haben scheint, ja?",{"text":26015,"start":16729,"end":16746},"Auch wenn sie damit irgendwie angefangen haben.",{"text":16752,"start":16749,"end":16750},81,{"sentences":26019,"speaker":468,"num_words":24918,"start":16754,"end":16771},[26020],{"text":26021,"start":16754,"end":16771},"Also Dinos sterben wieder aus, scheinbar.",{"sentences":26023,"speaker":106,"num_words":26026,"start":16771,"end":16812},[26024],{"text":26025,"start":16771,"end":16812},"Na, oh, schöner schöner Abschlusssatz, also auch 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