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Ein Hinweis noch: Wir führen News und AI-News ab jetzt zu einem Format zusammen.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp dir=\"ltr\">\u003Cem>Ihr habt noch kein Ticket für die programmier.con 2026? Dann nutzt jetzt noch die Chance und nehmt am 25. und 26 November an unserem Event rund um Web und AI teil! Mehr unter: \u003Ca href=\"https:\u002F\u002Fcon.programmier.bar\u002F\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\u002F\u002Fcon.programmier.bar\u002F\u003C\u002Fa>\u003C\u002Fem>\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp>Dennis bringt \u003Ca href=\"https:\u002F\u002Fwww.youtube.com\u002Fwatch?v=tw_LJQq_SbM\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Replits neues Free Tier\u003C\u002Fa> mit, das durch die deutlich gesenkten Preise von GPT-5.6 Luna möglich wird. Statt eines Einmal-Budgets gibt es ein Tageslimit, dazu eine Built-in Database und ein live veröffentlichtes Projekt. Damit lassen sich komplette Applikationen dauerhaft kostenlos bauen, was den Zugang zu AI-Tooling deutlich breiter macht.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp>Dave hat sich \u003Ca href=\"https:\u002F\u002Fbun.com\u002Fblog\u002Fbun-v1.4\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Bun 1.4\u003C\u002Fa> vorgenommen, das Jarred Sumner als kleinstes Release bisher bezeichnet. Neu sind zwei native Built-in-APIs: Bun.Image für Bildverarbeitung sowie Bun.WebView für Browser-Automatisierung und Web Scraping. Der Aufreger ist aber der Rewrite von Zig auf Rust, der größtenteils von Claude geschrieben wurde und die Community spaltet: Diskutiert werden die durchgehenden unsafe-Blöcke, der mehrfach verschobene Release und der Vorwurf einer PR-Aktion, weil Bun zu Anthropic gehört.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp>Fabi schließt mit Slack ab, wo Salesforce auf der Dreamforce einen \u003Ca href=\"https:\u002F\u002Fx.com\u002FBenioff\u002Fstatus\u002F2090240159115853956\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">neuen Channel-Typ\u003C\u002Fa> vorgestellt hat: die Code Channels. Sie werden von einem Agenten erzeugt und bündeln Plan, Repository, Code-Diffs, Pull Request und eine Live-HTML-Vorschau an einer Stelle. In jedem Slack-Plan enthalten, die Agents kosten extra, unterstützt werden bisher Claude Code und Devin. Für kleine Teams und überschaubare Änderungen klingt das nach einer guten Ergänzung.\u003C\u002Fp>",null,"https:\u002F\u002Fwww.buzzsprout.com\u002F176239\u002Fepisodes\u002F19706249-news-35-26-replit-mit-dauerhaft-kostenlosem-tier-bun-1-4-und-der-rust-rewrite-slack-code-channels.mp3",{"id":15,"title":16,"description":12,"tags":12,"location":12,"filename_disk":17,"filename_download":18,"metadata":19,"type":20,"filesize":21,"modified_by":12,"modified_on":22,"embed":12,"uploaded_by":12,"uploaded_on":23,"folder":12,"width":24,"height":24,"charset":12,"duration":12},"c55dbfcf-747a-406f-973b-10f74fe8841c","Replit mit dauerhaft kostenlosem Tier \u002F\u002F Bun 1.4 und der Rust-Rewrite \u002F\u002F Slack Code Channels - episode_cover","c55dbfcf-747a-406f-973b-10f74fe8841c.jpg","news-35\u002F26-episode_cover-1787751400679.jpg",{},"image\u002Fjpeg","529755","2026-08-26T13:36:40.801Z","2026-08-26T13:36:40.799Z",1024,[],[27,44,58],{"member":28},{"id":29,"first_name":30,"last_name":31,"occupation":32,"description":33,"normal_image":34},"ff2b7fcd-803f-4bcb-88d4-4f36636c7d6a","Fabi","Fink","\u002F\u002F Podcast-Host","\u003Cp>Es ist eher dem Zufall zuzuschreiben, dass Fabi zum Full Stack Developer wurde. Mit Anfängen als Product Owner und Software-Architekt, hatte er zwischenzeitig seine Passion als Coding Wizard gefunden. Heute fungiert er als Product Manager bei Lotum.\u003Cbr>Als Frontsänger mehrerer Bandprojekte fehlt Fabi manchmal die große Bühne im Alltag. Das ist vor allem dann spürbar, wenn er im Podcast auch mal ungefragt seinen Expertisen-Senf dazugibt. Im Gegenzug ist er der Einzige in der Runde, der den Pick of the Day wirklich ernst nimmt.\u003C\u002Fp>",{"id":35,"title":36,"description":12,"tags":12,"location":12,"filename_disk":37,"filename_download":38,"metadata":39,"type":20,"filesize":40,"modified_by":12,"modified_on":41,"embed":12,"uploaded_by":42,"uploaded_on":43,"folder":12,"width":24,"height":24,"charset":12,"duration":12},"56cc12dd-4672-4db0-850f-7ad37b68ca86","Fabi CD","56cc12dd-4672-4db0-850f-7ad37b68ca86.jpg","Fabi_CD.jpg",{},"583732","2024-07-29T11:46:00.241Z","e97179d2-51b3-4deb-828f-9524091441f5","2024-07-29T11:46:00.135Z",{"member":45},{"id":46,"first_name":47,"last_name":48,"occupation":32,"description":49,"normal_image":50},"958f6624-c721-4ff9-8a97-69148f540945","Dennis","Becker","\u003Cp>Dennis ist Head of Development bei Lotum und kümmert sich liebevoll um die Entwickler:innen und deren Weiterentwicklung. \u003Cbr>In den Podcastfolgen übernimmt Dennis gerne die Moderation. Beim täglichen Tischtennis ist er immer am Start und seit wenigen Jahren passionierter Kitesurfer. Mittlerweile ist er auch Vibe Coder mit Leidenschaft und überzeugt, dass seine Kolleg:innen AI unterschätzen. \u003C\u002Fp>",{"id":51,"title":52,"description":12,"tags":12,"location":12,"filename_disk":53,"filename_download":54,"metadata":12,"type":20,"filesize":55,"modified_by":12,"modified_on":56,"embed":12,"uploaded_by":12,"uploaded_on":57,"folder":12,"width":24,"height":24,"charset":12,"duration":12},"7a9fd72e-16b1-4283-8c1f-348a3e7986f9","Dennis Becker","7a9fd72e-16b1-4283-8c1f-348a3e7986f9.jpg","dennis_becker_normal_01e352e682.jpg","45729","2022-01-16T14:26:35.196Z","2021-12-30T14:16:28.647Z",{"member":59},{"id":60,"first_name":61,"last_name":62,"occupation":63,"description":64,"normal_image":65},"11d2e9b0-4443-4287-96bc-3930b0ada739","Dave","Koschitzki","\u002F\u002F Website \u002F\u002F Podcast-Host","\u003Cp>Dave ist seit 2024 Mitglied des programmier.bar-Teams. Neben seiner Arbeit an der Website-Entwicklung bringt er frischen Wind in den Podcast und ist regelmäßig bei Meetups anzutreffen. Seine Leidenschaft für Games, die er sowohl auf der Konsole als auch am PC spielt, ist unübersehbar.\u003Cbr> \u003Cbr>Wenn er nicht gerade in virtuelle Welten eintaucht, trifft man ihn im Fitnessstudio, wo er mit Begeisterung Gewichte stemmt. Dave bereichert das Team nicht nur durch seine technischen Fähigkeiten, sondern auch durch seine vielseitigen Interessen und ansteckende Energie.\u003C\u002Fp>",{"id":66,"title":67,"description":12,"tags":12,"location":12,"filename_disk":68,"filename_download":69,"metadata":70,"type":20,"filesize":71,"modified_by":12,"modified_on":72,"embed":12,"uploaded_by":42,"uploaded_on":73,"folder":12,"width":24,"height":24,"charset":12,"duration":12},"578c2a0f-e919-4668-9cb4-f5b97252d57f","Dave CD","578c2a0f-e919-4668-9cb4-f5b97252d57f.jpg","Dave_CD.jpg",{},"675668","2024-07-29T14:46:16.725Z","2024-07-29T14:46:16.613Z",[],[],[],[],485,206,[],{"id":82,"service":83,"supported_features":84,"speakers":87,"raw_response":94},"2da6ed68-71b0-4bb4-a907-c0f8578a7ab4","deepgram",[85,86],"timestamps","diarization",[88,90,92],{"identifier":89,"name":47},"0",{"identifier":91,"name":61},"1",{"identifier":93,"name":30},"2",{"metadata":95,"results":112},{"transaction_key":96,"request_id":97,"sha256":98,"created":99,"duration":100,"channels":101,"models":102,"model_info":104,"diarize_info":109},"deprecated","01a03eb1-4622-7fe0-be9f-6d7539bf7537","c4f5ed57d6d7d8b970bddc0ed59e66d92aa060f6e862e349eaaa666777bde0f6","2026-08-26T15:30:02.668Z",1528.0028,1,[103],"91f8eabe-2126-4ed4-9e56-d480032309b3",{"91f8eabe-2126-4ed4-9e56-d480032309b3":105},{"name":106,"version":107,"arch":108},"2-general-nova","2024-05-09.3071","nova-2",{"model_uuid":110,"arch":111},"a9f85c2b-5afb-4b9d-b49b-492c43a01cfb","v1",{"channels":113,"utterances":15466},[114],{"alternatives":115},[116],{"transcript":117,"confidence":118,"words":119,"paragraphs":14493},"Hallo und herzlich willkommen zu 1 neuen programmierbaren News Folge, Kalenderwoche 35. Ich bin Dennis Becker. Ich bin Dave aka David Krusitzky. Moin was geht. Und ich bin der Fabi Fink, hallo. Und wieder hab ich mich nicht hundertprozentig an das Skript gehalten, denn eigentlich wollen wir erst die Themen anteasern, aber viel wichtiger fand ich nämlich, deswegen wollte ich erstmal abhandeln wer wir heute hier sind. Dass wir wieder in unser News Format ein bisschen weiterentwickelt haben und uns nach ich glaub fast anderthalb Jahren AI News und News, die wir getrennt haben, entschieden haben, das Ganze wieder zusammenzuführen. Da einfach viel aus unserem Entwickleralltag, der vielleicht eher in den News waren, mittlerweile einfach auch ein Bezug hat. Anders. Aber wir haben doch mindestens zweieinhalb Jahre das gemacht oder nicht zweieinhalb Jahre. Echt? So lange. Wir haben doch wir haben doch wir haben doch einfach schon zweimal einen Reek Jahres Recap gemacht und so. Erbsenzähler. Okay. Nein, hast Du recht, ist schon ewig Aber aber bei 2 Jahre sogar dreieinhalb Jahre sind. Aber 2 2 Jahres Recap passt ja sogar noch bei anderthalb Jahren. Also wenn das halt natürlich dann günstig angefangen hat im Herbst oder so, dann kannst Du ja morgen. Nee, ich glaub Fabi hat recht, das ist länger. Das ist auf jeden Fall länger anderthalb Jahre. Sehr lange, ja. So und Philipp ist heute nicht dabei, das liegt aber eher daran, dass wir das mit dem Terminen noch 'n bisschen frisch neu organisieren müssen, dass wir mal den gleichen Slot haben. Genau Philipp wird entweder alle 14 Tage oder wenn er Zeit hat dann hier mit dazu kommen. Heute sind wir in dieser Dreierkonstellation, reden über Slack, reden über Raplit und reden über Brötchen. Brötchen, genau. Über Banden. Das sind die Themen, die wir heute mitgebracht haben und wie immer heute die kürzeste News Folge, die ihr jeweils von der Programmierbar bekommt. Diesmal wirklich. Diesmal wirklich. Diesmal wirklich. Soll ich mal einschalten, damit es wirklich kurz ist. Oh, das wär ja mega interessant. Geht pass auf. Okay. Wir haben nämlich schon mal über Chat 5 Punkt 6 Luna gesprochen in den letzten Folgen. Das kleinere Modell aus der neuen 5 Punkt 6 Reihe und vor allen Dingen wurden da ja nochmal die Preise angepasst, die das einfach sehr sehr stark reduziert haben und das führt dazu, dass Rablet, noch mal ganz kurz, Rablet ist schon auch ziemlich lange am Markt, son AI Tool, wo man am Anfang so prototypen konnte, mittlerweile eben auch komplett Applikationen da bauen kann und auch hosten kann und sowas, dass die sagen, hey, mit so einem günstigen Modell sind wir in der Lage, das Ganze kostenlos anzubieten. Und ich find, das ist irgendwie schon noch mal so irgendwie schon 'n großer Schritt, wenn man so ne an und so jeder hat Zugriff und irgendwie so denkt und Modelle und was ist irgendwie möglich, dass Du jetzt wirklich 'n Tool hast, wo Du komplexe Webseiten, Apps, was auch immer Du irgendwie brauchst, einfach jedermann ohne finanzielle Mittel entwickeln kannst, ist irgendwie noch mal 'n ganz cooler Schritt und von daher wollte ich das hier mitbringen. Ja. Und es ist auch so, also es ist nicht so, dass Du jetzt 'n One of Budget hast, was Du irgendwann leerst, sondern Du kannst hast pro Tag immer ein Limit, was Du irgendwie erreichen kannst. Also könntest theoretisch, wie wie groß auch immer dieses Limit ist, aber Du könntest jeden Tag etwas so machen, Du könntest auch wirklich in diesem Plan bleiben. Ja. Sehr interessant. Ja. Weil ja von Rapple, ich weiß nicht, der Unterschied ist ja auch son bisschen, ne. Rapple hat ja auch direkt da, also eigene Datenbank und also nicht nur im Grunde genommen auch das gesamte Stack bilden sie son bisschen ab, ne. Ja und ich meine auch Kurze Frage. Sich verwechselt, die waren auch schon vorher am Markt. Also es gab Rapid schon vor den ganzen AI Hype und Gedöns und haben halt so Infrastruktur und so One Click Container und das laufen irgendwie einfach Sachen. Das heißt so kurz da komplett auch über die Hosten. Genau. Und dann kam halt dieses das dazu und da ist halt dann diese nette Integration, dass sie alles außen rum eigentlich auch haben und wie weit das dann jetzt kostenlos ist, also ich weiß, es gibt auf jeden Fall auch irgendwelche Free Tears, aber weiß nicht, wenn Du da irgendwie dauerhaft Sie sagen nur, also so sagen Bild and Database und. Okay. Was auch immer das oder irgendwas. Du kannst ein Projekt live haben mit auch irgendwie in der Datenbank, was auch immer das bedeutet. Also Ihr Datenbankprodukt ist ja eigentlich sone Serverless, SQL Datenbank, was genau weiß ich, schreiben Sie glaub ich gar nicht, ob's was genau unter der Hood ist, aber ist auf jeden Fall irgendwas SQL mäßiges Serverless, Ja. Was Sie anbieten. Und Sie haben ja auch dieses Rabatt Design, ne, wo ich bei euch nicht weiß, ob wahrscheinlich die Tokenszenen auch für sowohl Design als auch Code, sondern also. Das weiß ich auch nicht genau, ob das ob das mit dazugehört. Das heißt aber, das aktuelle Businessmodell ist, Du kannst da eine Premium Mitgliedschaft haben, wo Du dann wahrscheinlich mehr Sachen veröffentlichen kannst, 'n höheres Tageslimit hast und so. Genau, auch andere Modelle nutzen kannst und so was, die Sachen zu kreieren, ja. Okay. Aber genau. Neue ist halt, dass es halt so einen dauerhaft kostenlosen Tier gibt, womit Du einfach immer weiterentwickeln kannst und coole Sachen kannst. Mhm. Also von daher, wenn ihr irgendjemanden kennt oder so, der da eine Hemmung hatte und noch nicht Geld dafür ausgeben wollt und trotzdem vielleicht eine Idee hat, die ihr ganz gerne umsetzen möchte, ist vielleicht Raplet da im Moment ein ganz guter aller Punkt und eben halt einfach vor einem großen Space halt interessant einfach dadurch, dass die Token Preise da bei einem sehr kompatiblen und nicht kompatiblen kompetenten Modell so sind, dass dass man das sich seine Firma leisten kann, das anzubieten. Ich mein, kostet dann natürlich trotzdem irgendwo Geld, aber das machen sie dann eben durch Premium und Pro und so weiter dann Ja. Wieder wett. Du hast auch Raplet damals auch paar Mal benutzt oder hast Du es seitdem jetzt auch mal benutzt? Also weil Nee. Okay, weil das hätte mich noch mal interessiert, wie kompetent dieses Modell dann auch dafür ist, so diese One Shot Applikationen zu machen, aber wahrscheinlich Ah, ich glaube schon. Dass man da ganz gute Sachen damit machen kann. Mhm. So, damit ich gehört, gehört das Erfolg bin, werde ich durch und wir machen weiter mit Dave. Sehr gerne. Und zwar geht es unsere Lieblings Java Script und Typescript All in One Run Time, nämlich Bun. Bun hat die 1 Punkt 4 Version released und ich ich fand auch dieses Adjunktigungsvideo. Also es lohnt sich, die ersten 5 Sekunden schon zu schauen, weil Jared Sumler, der Creator von Bun, der kommt da echt wie son Mörder in die Kamera gelaufen wird zum richtigen Psychoblick. Ich weiß erst nicht, ich hab mich richtig erschrocken, aber ich hab richtig Angst bekommen. Ist aber wirklich gut und das ist son bisschen Apple Like so, weil der gesagt hat, oh it's our smallest released Sofa. Was dann ja auch sehr sinnvoll ist, ne, weil die haben ja auch gesagt, also das Große, was passiert ist, der Rewight in Rust, da haben wir auch schon vor paar Monaten drüber gesprochen, der ja komplett über AI erfolgt ist. Werde ich auch gleich noch mal näher drauf eingehen, was das eigentlich insgesamt ausgelöst hat. Und was neu dabei ist, was auch sehr cool ist, nämlich 2 neue Native Bild in APIs. Zum einen für Bildverarbeitung kannst Du dann einfach Band Image benutzen, da einfach irgendwie resign und da irgendwie was mit den Bildern verändern. Eigentlich sehr cool, dass es jetzt auch so Native gilt und das 2. Große ist Webview, das heißt irgendwie so Browserautomatisierungen das machen, weil ich das irgendwie End to End Tests oder so. Webscraping kannst Du damit machen. Das ist jetzt auch alles inhouse in Bann. Aber natürlich und das ist ja also das große Thema, sind ja auch 'n Gossip Podcast und natürlich ist sie grade dieser große AI Rewrite ne, was ja dann auch ein von über 1000000 Zeilen Code war, nichts spurlos an der gesamten Community vorbeigegangen. Die Bank Community ist ja auch irgendwie sehr treu und mag dieses Produkt ja auch und tatsächlich haben sich so 2 2 Lager gebildet innerhalb dieser Community. Das das als erst, was man so ganz groß sagen kann, ist natürlich, es ist 'n super krasser Härtetest gewesen für KI geschützte Entwicklung oder fast eigentlich AI First komplett müsste man sagen bei sonem großen Open Source Projekt, wo ja so viele Augen auch drauf sind. Jared Sumner selbst hat nämlich da auch gesagt, insgesamt waren in der Version jetzt 16000 Commits von AI, also wirklich von Claude geschrieben. Er selbst hat nur knapp 800 gemacht, also da sieht man auch diese Relation, wie Und vieles, aber ja. Genau. Da hatt ich mir auch okay, behält das wie viel, aber wahrscheinlich waren das eher kleinere Sachen, denk ich mal. Genau, das ist dann interessant. Und weil man muss irgendwie beide Lager, glaub ich, hier mal son bisschen beleuchten. Also die einen sind natürlich son bisschen kritisch dem Ganzen gegenüber gestellt und haben gesagt, na ja, dieser Umzug auf Rust war eigentlich irgendwie nicht ganz sauber. Angefangen damit, dass es am Anfang hieß, na ja, wir wollen von Sik zu Rust wechseln aufgrund von Memory Safety und haben dann aber, es gibt in Rust diesen Borrow Checker, der dann halt sagt so, hey, hier keine Speicher liegst und so was alles und prüft das alles selbst. Den kann man aber selbst umgeben, indem man einfach einen gibt, hey, das ist 'n Unsafe Block und schon ist er ausgehebelt Und davon gab's halt beim AI Rewrite quasi durchgehend einfach nur diese Sachen, wo man sagt, okay, also ihr sagt einfach so, Memory ist euch wichtig, aber ihr handelt gar nicht idiomatisch nach Rust, also habt ihr das gar nicht hier an der Stelle beachtet. Und da war der Fov natürlich so, okay, es ist eine reine PR Aktion von so von wegen, hey hier, ne, wir haben jetzt Banden gekauft. Der AI Redride war jetzt mit. Krass, dass jetzt alles funktioniert. Und was man auch gleichzeitig sagen muss, der Release von 1 Punkt 4 hat sich super stark verzögert. Also es war auch so etwas, was in der Community bisschen negativ aufgefasst wurde. Es hieß so, ja am siebten Juli wird das released, dann war's irgendwie so kurz vorm siebten Juli, der gesagt, ah sorry, wir sind noch mal 'n paar Tage danach. Dann ist der 7. Juli vergangen, da wurd nichts gesagt und dann so, hey, in der nächsten Version von Bun passiert das und das und dann also Ende vom Lied. Insgesamt gab's dann noch mal so 12 Ankündigungen und anstatt dem siebten Juli ist es jetzt der 20. August geworden, also hat sich dann massiv verzögert, wo dann auch natürlich die Stimme in der Community groß so, na ja okay, weil dieser ganze AI Slop von Bann nicht irgendwie, man man konnte da sich gar nicht zurechtfinden und deswegen ist jetzt alles so krass verzögert gewesen. Und was ich auch sehr interessant fand, der SIG Schöpfer Andrew Kelly, er hat sich nämlich auch zu dieser gesamten Thematik geäußert und ich fand Von der Kelly Family. Von der Kelly Family, genau. Also das war ja, wie viel war das? 12 Leute so? Ja. Da ist 1 auch Entwickler geworden. Genau und ich ich fand sein Zitat da eigentlich sehr sehr cool. Der hat gesagt, Ja, also wurde auch mal so gesagt, so eigentlich war das schon immer Kraut und Rüben, was er gemacht wurde, solche LLMs haben's jetzt nicht so viel schlimmer gemacht. Und aber und das möcht ich an der Stelle auch sagen, man muss ja auch irgendwie 'n bisschen die andere Seite sehen, also Richtung Pro AI, sag ich mal, die es auch in der Community gibt. Also ich hab unter Hacker News einfach mal der Thread verfolgt, was da die Stimmen sagen. Und man muss ja sagen, es ist schon krass, es ist 'n winziges Team von irgendwas die 10 Leute, irgendwas zwischen 10 und 15 und die haben halt diese gesamte Engine, wann ist ja schon eine komplexe Engine innerhalb von unter Tagen umgeschrieben dann komplett durch AI, hätten die wahrscheinlich erstens vielleicht nie gemacht und zweitens wenn dann 'n Jahr dran gesessen oder so damals und irgendwie muss man sagen, es ist ja schon gewissermaßen ein proof für na ja son AI Rewrite funktioniert, denn jetzt auch 1 Punkt 4 ist released. Die ersten Leute sagen, hey, auch in unserer Codebasis, das ist alles schneller geworden, weniger Memory Use, CPU Auslastung ist geringer. Auch Großprojekte, type Script unter anderem, hat auch gesagt, hey, ja, funktioniert voll gut. Von daher hatten wir jetzt so diese 2 Seiten, wo vielleicht der Weg dahin 'n bisschen holprig war, aber der Release an sich muss er sagen, hey, ist 'n ist eigentlich ganz sauber. Ist natürlich jetzt die Frage, wie läuft's in den nächsten Wochen so? Ist da etwas, was er noch mal auftaucht, wo man sagen muss, ist nicht ganz so gut, hier und da sind echt grobe Fehler, aber bisher wirkt der Release sehr, sehr gut. Ja krass. Und ich mein, ich weiß gar nicht, ob das allen so bewusst ist, ne, aber Bun ist ja Teil von Intropic, ne, das hatten wir ja damals mal als Du Lust irgendwie gehabt, wurden ja gekauft Und hast Du irgendwas gehört? Also hat jetzt dieser dieses Bun Webview, was ja im Grunde genommen ist, dass sie sie schreiben ja, dass es auf macOS Webkit nutzt, ist ja im Grunde genommen Browsersteuerung ohne Puppettieren Playrite und nutzen die das? Weißt Du, ob sie fürs Cloud Code und so was, ob jetzt dieses Browser use eigentlich nutzt? Also ist das irgendwas, was jetzt auch in Cloud Code integriert ist? Weißt Du was darüber? Das weiß ich leider nicht, aber kann ich mir sehr gut vorstellen, dass das auch mitunter 'n Grund war, das natürlich so zu shapen, ne? Das Produkt liegt jetzt bei denen. Das da auch direkt mit zu nutzen, ist auf jeden Fall sehr sinnvoll, aber weiß ich tatsächlich an der Stelle nicht. Ja, offenbar interessant, dass es dann noch mal einen weiteren Player für Browser Automation neben Puppettier und Playright mit mit BannWebview gibt. Ich glaub, wird ja immer mehr und mehr Thema werden. Dann haben wir ja auch 'n letzten News Folge. Ja, tatsächlich. Also auch wieder mit Browser Useres bei Cloudflare in dem Fall irgendwie, das das Steuern Agent First. So ich kann mir vorstellen, dass dieses ganze Bann Webview Thema auch irgendwie noch mal son Agent First Twist irgendwann irgendwie bekommt. Bin ich mal gespannt, ob sie was dazu erzählen, ob Cloud Codes nutzt. Ja. Ein Grundsatz, die hätte man ja erwartet, so wahrscheinlich ist ja die Bann Community tendenziell 'n bisschen progressiver, weil's eher das neuere Tool ist und son Ersatz für was war und von daher vielleicht da eher Leute drauf gesprungen sind, die irgendwie, oh cool und neu und so, das ist ja scheiße. Es gäbe immer mit Sicherheit Projekte, wo es noch schwieriger wäre, einen solchen Move zu machen. Definitiv. Und vor allem, also ich glaub auch Jared Sumner so als Person, als Entwickler ist auch eher Richtung Move Fast and Break Things. Von daher, es es passt zu seiner Persönlichkeit dann auch irgendwie. Sympathisch. Sympathisch. Gut einfach sympathisch. Ja. Aber auf jeden Fall also Werbung schaut euch die schaut euch die ersten 5 Sekunden an. Ich hab's gut gemacht. Parallel, es sieht wirklich super creepy aus. Es ist wirklich gut. Aber auch an den Videos merkt man immer wieder ne, dass es halt irgendwie jetzt in sonem größeren Silicon Valley Start-up irgendwie, gut Start-up kann ich schon mal sagen, ein größeres Silicon Valley Company mit drin ist und die Art des Videos und so. Also ich weiß gar nicht, ist das eigentlich alles eine Company, die diese ganzen Werbevideos macht so? Also das so Weil die alle so gleich aussehen. Ja, alles ein Stil und irgendwie. Also wahrscheinlich gibt's da irgendwie oder es gibt viele so Filmcompanys, die das so als Produkt haben so. Silicon Valley Product Videos so und kannst Du überall buchen. Ja. Ja, aber es ist ja Sieht ja gut aus, ne. Genau. Ist ja auch gut produziert. Ja. Ja. Wir haben da auch was, Jareds haben. Genau. Den gibt's schon. Ja, genau. Doppel d hat jetzt auch das 1. Musikvideo schon gemacht, aber es ist noch ein bisschen zu viel. Wenn wir das mal einmal fertig produziert, dann Die es nicht wissen, ne, wir müssen jetzt ja 'n bisschen, es kam jetzt glaub ich das 1. Feedback, dass Doppel d auf jeden Fall auf der Programmierkunden auftreten soll, was das für eine Frage sei. Und das heißt, wir müssen son bisschen in der News üben oder? Bis dahin so. Ja, das stimmt. Das ist doch Also Doppel-d, ne, das Pseudonym von Aber dass Du auch Zugriff auf dieses Soundboard hast, ist ja fantastisch. Na, es ist einfach in unserem River Side Media Board mit drin. Neben dem Intro liegt einfach Doppel d. Ich hab nur gerade kurz geschaut. Geil, aber find ich gut, dass das jetzt einfach integraler Bestandteil von dem d ist. Ja. Dope. Also Doppel d. Gebt gerne weiter Feedback, falls ihr's doch nicht wollt. Noch könnt ihr was ja andrehen. So, wir können das verhindern das Ganze. Ja. Das Selbstbewusstsein von Dave und Dennis wächst nämlich nach dem letzten Feedback so und ich weiß nicht, ob das gut ist so. Auf jeden Fall, wenn ihr mehr Doppel d diesen Podcast hören, wenn wenn keiner irgendwann anfängt zu sagen, lasst die Scheiße. Das dürft ihr feedbacken. Danach können wir umgehen. Können wir Leute blockieren? Sehr gut. Slack. Slack, genau. Fabi, Du hast es falsch ausgesprochen. Slack. Ja. Ich hab nämlich mit Freunden sehr gut sehr viel geübt, wie man Slack oder auch Slack ausspricht und Dave hätte gerne, dass ich das ganze Slack nenne, damit Slack in eurem Ohr schön zischt. Ja. Okay, ich nenn's ob jetzt lieber Slack oder bevor wir jetzt alle abschalten. Weil das ist ganz interessant. Salesforce hat nämlich letzte Woche auf der Dreamforce einen neuen Channel Typ in Allein das ist schon schön. Alleine Slack eingeführt. Ja. Salesforce macht es sofort, also ich weiß nicht, wie es euch geht. Ich hab lange Zeit ignoriert, dass das mit doll zu Salesforce gehört, aber es macht es direkt irgendwie richtig viel unsympathisch. Also ich hab's auch vergessen. Als ich's auch gelesen hab, dachte ich immer, Sales was macht 'n die Slack? Ja. Ja. Aber wenn man auch auf die Homepage geht, ne, steht ja Slack und dann from Salesforce unten drunter. Also man kann's eigentlich, wenn man auf die Homepage geht, nicht mehr übersehen, aber ich war auch kurz noch mal überrascht. Richtig. So. Hab dich unterbrochen. Nee, alles alles gut. Auf jeden Fall haben sie auf der Dreamforce den neuen Channel Typ einen einen neuen Channel Typ eingeführt, den nur Agenten erzeugen können und zwar gibt's die Code Channels und son bisschen ihr Promis, was sie jetzt haben mit dem neuen Feature ist so, also dass im Grunde genommen alle noch mehr Zugriff zu einem Code Agent bekommen. Ich mein, wir kennen das schon mit Claytec, der aber im Grunde genommen ja bisher so ist, erlebt da, wo auch Kommunikation stattfindet, also in irgendwelchen Channels, liest einfach mit, codet mit, antwortet mit und jetzt son bisschen die Idee ist, wir wollen ja in der letzten Folge, ne, über 'n neuen Agent Harnison auch schon uns unterhalten, so, wo's ja viel darum gibt und das ist im Grunde genommen der Agent Harness für das breite Volk, also oft Product Manager und so weiter mit der These, na ja, am Ende soll doch agenische Entwicklung da stattfinden, wo auch die Arbeit sonst stattfindet und zwar im Slack und die Idee ist, man kann einen Agent einfach, man muss irgendwas eingerichtet haben, beispielsweise mit klar Tech funktioniert es, dass man an einen Agent schreibt, irgendwo im Channel, ihm eine Aufgabe gibt und er erzeugt einen neuen Code Channel, so heißt dieser neue Typ von Channel, was übrigens schon sehr lang nicht mehr, also in Slack wurde schon sehr lange kein neuer Channeltyp mehr eingeführt. Jetzt gibt's den eben diesen Code Channel und in dem Channel ist im Grunde genommen alles gebündelt. Also der Plan, den sich der Agent zurechtgelegt hat, das Repository, bei dem was verändert wird. Codeives werden direkt Side by Side dargestellt, der wird da angehängt und es gibt auch eine Live HTML Vorschau des Ergebnisses, also im Grunde genommen das, was man auch so sonst von verschiedenen Coding Agents, Hanesses irgendwie kennt und ist erst mal in jedem Slackpaaren enthalten ohne Aufpreis. Natürlich kosten die Agents Geld so. Bisher funktioniert's mit Clayd von Antropic, also Clayw tech. Davin funktioniert's auch, wo ich sagen muss, ey, dass Davin überhaupt 'n Ding ist, also haben wir haben wir auch nie wirklich ausprobiert ne. Für mich war das irgendwie 1 der ersten, die mit Agents angefangen haben irgendwie ultra teuer und find's interessant, dass sie auf jeden Fall noch 'n Player Weil sie mein, die haben sich glaube ich auch weiterentwickelt von ihrem potenziellen. Ich bin immer wieder überrascht, wo ich überrascht bin, dass der Slack zu Spaceforce gehört und nicht überrascht, dass es Davin noch gibt. Ich find, also ich höre das gerade das 1. Mal von Davin tatsächlich. Ist komplett an mir vorbeigezogen. Du bist erst zu spät hier in der, das war schon ein News Thema. Nur Ding. Wollte ich grad sagen, ja. Ach krass. Genau und ich mein im Grunde genommen beschreibt's ja schon das, was es son bisschen ist, ne. Also so, dass im Grunde genommen der das Agent Coding in den Teamchat wandert und natürlich dann so Fragen sind, so wer hat dann am Ende irgendwie darauf Zugriff, also rechte Management ja durchaus irgendwie 'n Thema ist oder was Du mit Claytec ja im Grunde genommen auch schon hattest, aber ja, das ist eigentlich ganz interessant, dass dann da auch son bisschen von, also die ich glaube so wie Slack sich's am Ende schon vorstellt, dass am Ende das tägliche Arbeit dann auch wirklich dann in Slack gemacht wird. Natürlich 'n bisschen der Zugriff wieder 'n bisschen proprietäria. Es ist jetzt nicht son Open Harness, wie wir's beim letzten Mal hatten, sondern Slack entscheidet im Endeffekt, was für Agents und wie sie irgendwie da drin laufen. Ist jetzt irgendwie kein MCP oder sowas, mit dem das Ganze angehen kann, aber son bisschen mit ihrer Vorstellung ist, glaube ich, dass einfach alle Arbeit in diesen Code Channels dann funktioniert, so jeder Zugriff dazu hat, irgendwie den progress sehen kann, sehen kann, was noch irgendwie offen ist Und ist glaube ich einfach noch mal interessant insofern, dass es halt einfach noch mal zeigt, so dass das Produkt den Agent Handels, also wo am Ende die Agenten arbeiten, glaube ich immer mehr und mehr Thema wird. Es wird mehr und mehr konkurrierende Produkte dafür geben und es wird sich son bisschen rauskristallisieren, wie die Arbeit in Zukunft strukturiert wird und was für Tools dort vorherrschend sind, aber natürlich hat Slack erst mal eine ganz gute ganz gute Grundlage, dass die User Base halt schon mal da ist. Das heißt, wenn sie das nicht allzu schlecht machen, kann ich mir schon vorstellen, dass sie 'n interessanter Player da am Markt werden. Also ich mein, Cloud Tech ehrlicherweise bei uns, wenn wir nicht Slack als Tool genutzt hätten, wäre ich ja was, was ich niemals proaktiv dorthin gegangen wäre, es auszuprobieren, aber jetzt da es halt in Slack funktioniert, ist es schon was, was mittlerweile in unserem Alltag viel genutzt wird und genau das Gleiche kann ich mir auch vorstellen, dass diese Code Channels da noch mal einen Ding werden, vor allem halt einfach die den Zugang noch mal breiter machen für viele so, ne, dass halt noch mal eine Eintrittsbarriere weniger ist für Leute, komplette Aufgaben an den Agent zu vergeben und dann auch irgendwie zu sehen mit 'nem HTML Preview, je nachdem, was es halt für Projekte sind, wie gut diese noch funktioniert und so. Muss man alles mal sich anschauen, aber ja, ich mein Ich find das 'n interessanter Aspekt, dass Du sagst so, ne, den Zugang noch mal breiter macht, weil ich könnte mir vorstellen, dass das auch erst mal die Zielgruppe ist, wo's besser ankommt oder viel ankommt. Ich finde irgendwie so von meiner Vorstellung ist Slack halt son bisschen begrenzt in dem in der in den Möglichkeiten, das irgendwie, ne, so full flatge zu machen. Wenn jetzt keine Ahnung, dir 'n, was auch immer, es gibt Kontakte oder Superset oder ne, die jetzt auch so Multiplayer Sachen machen, ne und mit mehreren Leuten dran arbeiten können, die haben sone gesamte UI und so ein gesamtes Interface und sowas und ne, können da mit Tastatur kürzer und keine Ahnung, also so volle Dev Experience praktisch bauen und ich hab irgendwie das Gefühl, da ist Slack halt so, ja, sie haben jetzt dieses Channels und da gibt's auch unterschiedliche Tabs, aber sie sind doch trotzdem irgendwo gefesselt in ihrem in ihrem Slackoutfit, was sie son bisschen außen rum haben. Ich find's superspannend für, ich glaub schon mal erwähnt, Cloud Tech nutzen wir viel für programmierbare Webseiten, Weiterentwicklungen und so Dinge, die wir da tun und und und CMS und so. Und dafür ist es super cool und auch diese gemeinsame daran arbeiten und deswegen sehe ich auch, dass es für viele Teams und kleine Projekte und sowas superspannend ist. Ob jetzt halt bei uns beispielsweise die großen Game Teams oder die großen Entwicklungssachen so zeitnah darauf migrieren, da hätte ich noch 'n noch 'n kleines Fragezeichen. Ja, definitiv sogar ein großes Fragezeichen, das irgendwie darauf migriert wird. So ist halt Ja, ich mein, die haben auf jeden Fall einen Nachteil davon, dass sie in ein bestehendes Produkt sind auf einmal AI dort integrieren müssen und wie andere Agent Harness Hanesses im Grunde genommen ein Tool komplett von the groundup nur dafür bauen können. Ja. Und ich kann mir schon vorstellen, dass am Ende irgendwie eine Form von Ergänzung möglicherweise möglicherweise wird so und aber auch zum Beispiel, ich weiß nicht, vielleicht neue Features eher in Agent Harnesses gemacht werden, aber wenn's dann so Support Sachen geht, ne, wie Backerkennung oder so was irgendwie kleinere Änderungen, sodass es dann, dass es, glaube ich, 'n Platz dafür hat, bestimmte Features dort umzusetzen und das nicht immer alles irgendwie in das in das andere Hahnes mitzuführen, sondern da, wo sich irgendwie über Dinge ausgetauscht wird, auch direkt Dinge umsetzen zu können. So dafür ist ja im Moment das, wofür wir auch Clay Tech ja teilweise nutzen, aber es ist 'n bisschen schwieriger nachzuverfolgen. Dann passiert es in irgendwelchen Threads, da musst Du irgendwie wieder schauen und so und kann mir schon vorstellen, dass es einfach noch mal ein Schritt mehr wird zu Slack kann ein Teil des Tool Belts irgendwie werden. Wird da die komplette Entwicklung drüber laufen? Boah, kann ich mir auch schwierig vorstellen. Aber ich find also ich find gerade diesen Bogen, den Du aufgemacht hast, Fabi, sehr spannend, weil also ich muss sagen, ich find diese Verwendung aktuell von Claude Tech, die wir haben, superangenehm und geil, ne. Also grad Case, den Du aufgemacht hast, hier ist Support oder so, dass Support quasi nicht zu uns Devs jetzt erst mal kommt, sondern sagt so, hey Claude, ist da irgendwie wirklich 'n Fehler oder versteht der User grade einfach nicht, was die Sache ist und dann einfach mit Claude einfach in den Code direkt gucken kann und da realisiert, hey, okay, das ist international oder wir haben hier wirklich 'n Fehler. Und auf der anderen Seite, ich glaub Fabi, manchmal hast Du ja aus der anderen Frage gestellt, ey, haben wir hier 'n Tracking dafür? Ist da aus Produktsicht das so und so implementiert? Und dann kannst Du ja selbst da auch einfach damit interagieren. Und wenn wir dann noch on top die Möglichkeit haben, so bisschen übersichtlicher so, hey, dann wird das aus diesem Thread irgendwie in son Code Channel reingepackt und dann kann doch mal 'n Entwickler drüber schauen und sagen, ach so, das wurden die Erinnerungen wurden gemacht. Ja geil, nee, können wir das einfach so durchgehen lassen oder ich glaub, das sollen wir noch mal anfassen. Finde ich erst mal eine coole Richtung, da noch mal so ergänzend. Ja, aber mal schauen. Wird es das Tool wahrscheinlich bei Wetten? Nee, aber wird's irgendwie eine 1 Rolle spielen? Denk schon. Cool. So, was haben wir auf der Uhr? 14 Minuten. 5 Stunden. Ja. Ist auch eine kurze Folge geworden, oder? Ja, eigentlich so wie ursprünglich die News mal gedacht worden, vorher gedacht waren von der Länge Stunde sogar. Ja, war mal eine Viertelstunde eigentlich, aber Ja. Wir hatten, weil ich hab mir echt mal eine Viertelstunde Wir haben eigentlich immer gesagt eine Viertelstunde und haben es nie verändert, aber halten uns halt einfach nicht dran. Also Ach krass, ich sag eine halbe Stunde war immer so, aber theoretisch haben wir noch 'n viertes Thema. Das machen wir nicht. Das machen wir nicht. Perfekt. Hast Du dich vorbereitet? Nee, gar nicht. Gut. Falls ihr eine Chance haben wollt, Doppel-d vielleicht live zu erleben oder Mitspracherecht zu haben, dass das nicht passiert. Es gibt noch Tickets für die Programmier konnten. Wir sind gerade fünfundzwanzigsten 26 November. Wir sind gerade bei über 2 Drittel verkauften Tickets oder? Ja. Also nicht mehr viele sind da. Nicht mehr so viele. Von daher genau. Guckt gerne, wenn ihr die haben wollt und sonst schreibt uns wie immer gerne an Podcast at Programmier Punkt bar oder über die Social Media Kanäle oder über Spotify und ja, sonst wünschen wir euch eine wunderschöne Kalenderwoche 35 und danke Fabi, danke Dave. Gerne, gerne, danke Dennis. Bis zum nächsten Mal. Macht's gut. Bis dann. Tschau. Tschau. 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Ich bin Dennis Becker.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ich bin Dave aka David Krusitzky. Moin was geht.\n\nSpeaker 2: Und ich bin der Fabi Fink, hallo. Und wieder hab ich\n\nSpeaker 0: mich nicht hundertprozentig an das Skript gehalten, denn eigentlich wollen wir erst die Themen anteasern, aber viel wichtiger fand ich nämlich, deswegen wollte ich erstmal abhandeln wer wir heute hier sind. Dass wir wieder in unser News Format ein bisschen weiterentwickelt haben und uns nach ich glaub fast anderthalb Jahren AI News und News, die wir getrennt haben, entschieden haben, das Ganze wieder zusammenzuführen. Da einfach viel aus unserem Entwickleralltag, der vielleicht eher\n\nSpeaker 1: in den News waren,\n\nSpeaker 0: mittlerweile einfach auch ein Bezug hat. Anders. Aber wir\n\nSpeaker 2: haben doch mindestens zweieinhalb Jahre das gemacht oder nicht\n\nSpeaker 0: zweieinhalb Jahre. Echt? So lange. Wir haben doch wir haben doch wir haben\n\nSpeaker 2: doch einfach schon zweimal einen Reek Jahres Recap gemacht und so.\n\nSpeaker 1: Erbsenzähler. Okay. Nein, hast Du recht,\n\nSpeaker 0: ist schon ewig Aber aber\n\nSpeaker 1: bei 2 Jahre sogar dreieinhalb Jahre sind. Aber 2 2 Jahres Recap passt ja sogar noch bei anderthalb Jahren. Also wenn das halt natürlich dann günstig angefangen hat im Herbst oder so, dann kannst Du ja morgen.\n\nSpeaker 0: Nee, ich glaub Fabi hat recht, das ist länger. Das ist auf\n\nSpeaker 2: jeden Fall länger anderthalb Jahre.\n\nSpeaker 1: Sehr lange, ja.\n\nSpeaker 0: So und Philipp ist heute nicht dabei, das liegt aber eher daran, dass wir das mit dem Terminen noch 'n bisschen frisch neu organisieren müssen, dass wir mal den gleichen Slot haben. Genau Philipp wird entweder alle 14 Tage oder wenn er Zeit hat dann hier mit dazu kommen. Heute sind wir in dieser Dreierkonstellation, reden über Slack, reden über Raplit und reden über Brötchen. Brötchen, genau. Über Banden.\n\nDas sind die Themen, die wir heute mitgebracht haben und wie immer heute die kürzeste News Folge, die ihr jeweils von der Programmierbar bekommt.\n\nSpeaker 1: Diesmal wirklich. Diesmal wirklich. Diesmal wirklich.\n\nSpeaker 0: Soll ich mal einschalten, damit es wirklich kurz ist. Oh,\n\nSpeaker 1: das wär ja mega interessant. Geht pass auf. Okay.\n\nSpeaker 0: Wir haben nämlich schon mal über Chat 5 Punkt 6 Luna gesprochen in den letzten Folgen. Das kleinere Modell aus der neuen 5 Punkt 6 Reihe und vor allen Dingen wurden da ja nochmal die Preise angepasst, die das einfach sehr sehr stark reduziert haben und das führt dazu, dass Rablet, noch mal ganz kurz, Rablet ist schon auch ziemlich lange am Markt, son AI Tool, wo man am Anfang so prototypen konnte, mittlerweile eben auch komplett Applikationen da bauen kann und auch hosten kann und sowas, dass die sagen, hey, mit so einem günstigen Modell sind wir in der Lage, das Ganze kostenlos anzubieten. Und ich find, das ist irgendwie schon noch mal so irgendwie schon 'n großer Schritt, wenn man so ne an und so jeder hat Zugriff und irgendwie so denkt und Modelle und was ist irgendwie möglich, dass Du jetzt wirklich 'n Tool hast, wo Du komplexe Webseiten, Apps, was auch immer Du irgendwie brauchst, einfach jedermann ohne finanzielle Mittel entwickeln kannst, ist irgendwie noch mal 'n ganz cooler Schritt und von daher wollte ich das hier mitbringen. Ja.\n\nSpeaker 2: Und es ist auch so, also es ist nicht so, dass Du jetzt 'n One of Budget hast, was Du irgendwann leerst, sondern Du kannst hast pro Tag immer ein Limit, was Du irgendwie erreichen kannst. Also könntest theoretisch, wie wie groß auch immer dieses Limit ist, aber Du könntest jeden Tag etwas so machen, Du könntest auch wirklich in diesem Plan bleiben. Ja. Sehr interessant. Ja.\n\nSpeaker 0: Weil ja von Rapple, ich weiß\n\nSpeaker 2: nicht, der Unterschied ist ja auch son bisschen, ne. Rapple hat ja auch direkt da, also eigene Datenbank und also nicht nur im Grunde genommen auch das gesamte Stack bilden sie son bisschen ab, ne.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja und ich meine auch Kurze Frage. Sich verwechselt, die waren auch schon vorher am Markt. Also es gab Rapid schon vor den ganzen AI Hype und Gedöns und haben halt so Infrastruktur und so One Click Container und das laufen irgendwie\n\nSpeaker 1: einfach Sachen. Das heißt so kurz da komplett auch über die Hosten.\n\nSpeaker 0: Genau.\n\nSpeaker 1: Und dann\n\nSpeaker 0: kam halt dieses das dazu und da ist halt dann diese nette Integration, dass sie alles außen rum eigentlich auch haben und wie weit das dann jetzt kostenlos ist, also ich weiß, es gibt auf jeden Fall auch irgendwelche Free Tears, aber weiß nicht, wenn Du da irgendwie dauerhaft\n\nSpeaker 2: Sie sagen nur, also so sagen Bild and Database und.\n\nSpeaker 0: Okay.\n\nSpeaker 2: Was auch immer das oder irgendwas. Du kannst ein Projekt live haben mit auch irgendwie in der Datenbank, was auch immer das bedeutet. Also Ihr Datenbankprodukt ist ja eigentlich sone Serverless, SQL Datenbank, was genau weiß ich, schreiben Sie glaub ich gar nicht, ob's was genau unter der Hood ist, aber ist auf jeden Fall irgendwas SQL mäßiges Serverless, Ja. Was Sie anbieten. Und Sie haben ja auch dieses Rabatt Design, ne, wo ich bei euch nicht weiß, ob wahrscheinlich die Tokenszenen auch für sowohl Design als auch Code, sondern also.\n\nSpeaker 0: Das weiß ich auch nicht genau, ob das ob das mit dazugehört.\n\nSpeaker 1: Das heißt aber, das aktuelle Businessmodell ist, Du kannst da eine Premium Mitgliedschaft haben, wo Du dann wahrscheinlich mehr Sachen veröffentlichen kannst, 'n höheres Tageslimit hast und so.\n\nSpeaker 0: Genau, auch andere Modelle nutzen kannst und so was, die Sachen zu kreieren, ja. Okay. Aber genau. Neue ist halt, dass es halt so einen dauerhaft kostenlosen Tier gibt, womit Du einfach immer weiterentwickeln kannst und coole Sachen kannst. Mhm.\n\nAlso von daher, wenn ihr irgendjemanden kennt oder so, der da eine Hemmung hatte und noch nicht Geld dafür ausgeben wollt und trotzdem vielleicht eine Idee hat, die ihr ganz gerne umsetzen möchte, ist vielleicht Raplet da im Moment ein ganz guter aller Punkt und eben halt einfach vor einem großen Space halt interessant einfach dadurch, dass die Token Preise da bei einem sehr kompatiblen und nicht kompatiblen kompetenten Modell so sind, dass dass man das sich seine Firma leisten kann, das anzubieten. Ich mein, kostet dann natürlich trotzdem irgendwo Geld, aber das machen sie dann eben durch Premium und Pro und so weiter dann Ja. Wieder wett.\n\nSpeaker 1: Du hast auch Raplet damals auch paar Mal benutzt oder hast Du es seitdem jetzt auch mal benutzt? Also weil Nee. Okay, weil das hätte mich noch mal interessiert, wie kompetent dieses Modell dann auch dafür ist, so diese One Shot Applikationen zu machen, aber wahrscheinlich Ah, ich\n\nSpeaker 0: glaube schon. Dass man da ganz gute Sachen damit machen kann. Mhm.\n\nSpeaker 2: So, damit ich gehört, gehört das Erfolg bin,\n\nSpeaker 0: werde ich durch und wir machen weiter mit Dave.\n\nSpeaker 1: Sehr gerne. Und zwar geht es unsere Lieblings Java Script und Typescript All in One Run Time, nämlich Bun. Bun hat die 1 Punkt 4 Version released und ich ich fand auch dieses Adjunktigungsvideo. Also es lohnt sich, die ersten 5 Sekunden schon zu schauen, weil Jared Sumler, der Creator von Bun, der kommt da echt wie son Mörder in die Kamera gelaufen wird zum richtigen Psychoblick. Ich weiß erst nicht, ich hab mich richtig erschrocken, aber ich hab richtig Angst bekommen.\n\nIst aber wirklich gut und das ist son bisschen Apple Like so, weil der gesagt hat, oh it's our smallest released Sofa. Was dann ja auch sehr sinnvoll ist, ne, weil die haben ja auch gesagt, also das Große, was passiert ist, der Rewight in Rust, da haben wir auch schon vor paar Monaten drüber gesprochen, der ja komplett über AI erfolgt ist. Werde ich auch gleich noch mal näher drauf eingehen, was das eigentlich insgesamt ausgelöst hat. Und was neu dabei ist, was auch sehr cool ist, nämlich 2 neue Native Bild in APIs. Zum einen für Bildverarbeitung kannst Du dann einfach Band Image benutzen, da einfach irgendwie resign und da irgendwie was mit den Bildern verändern.\n\nEigentlich sehr cool, dass es jetzt auch so Native gilt und das 2. Große ist Webview, das heißt irgendwie so Browserautomatisierungen das machen, weil ich das irgendwie End to End Tests oder so. Webscraping kannst Du damit machen. Das ist jetzt auch alles inhouse in Bann. Aber natürlich und das ist ja also das große Thema, sind ja auch 'n Gossip Podcast und natürlich ist sie grade dieser große AI Rewrite ne, was ja dann auch ein von über 1000000 Zeilen Code war, nichts spurlos an der gesamten Community vorbeigegangen.\n\nDie Bank Community ist ja auch irgendwie sehr treu und mag dieses Produkt ja auch und tatsächlich haben sich so 2 2 Lager gebildet innerhalb dieser Community. Das das als erst, was man so ganz groß sagen kann, ist natürlich, es ist 'n super krasser Härtetest gewesen für KI geschützte Entwicklung oder fast eigentlich AI First komplett müsste man sagen bei sonem großen Open Source Projekt, wo ja so viele Augen auch drauf sind. Jared Sumner selbst hat nämlich da auch gesagt, insgesamt waren in der Version jetzt 16000 Commits von AI, also wirklich von Claude geschrieben. Er selbst hat nur knapp 800 gemacht, also da sieht man auch diese Relation, wie Und vieles,\n\nSpeaker 2: aber ja.\n\nSpeaker 1: Genau. Da hatt ich mir auch okay, behält das wie viel, aber wahrscheinlich waren das eher kleinere Sachen, denk ich mal. Genau, das ist dann interessant. Und weil man muss irgendwie beide Lager, glaub ich, hier mal son bisschen beleuchten. Also die einen sind natürlich son bisschen kritisch dem Ganzen gegenüber gestellt und haben gesagt, na ja, dieser Umzug auf Rust war eigentlich irgendwie nicht ganz sauber.\n\nAngefangen damit, dass es am Anfang hieß, na ja, wir wollen von Sik zu Rust wechseln aufgrund von Memory Safety und haben dann aber, es gibt in Rust diesen Borrow Checker, der dann halt sagt so, hey, hier keine Speicher liegst und so was alles und prüft das alles selbst. Den kann man aber selbst umgeben, indem man einfach einen gibt, hey, das ist 'n Unsafe Block und schon ist er ausgehebelt Und davon gab's halt beim AI Rewrite quasi durchgehend einfach nur diese Sachen, wo man sagt, okay, also ihr sagt einfach so, Memory ist euch wichtig, aber ihr handelt gar nicht idiomatisch nach Rust, also habt ihr das gar nicht hier an der Stelle beachtet. Und da war der Fov natürlich so, okay, es ist eine reine PR Aktion von so von wegen, hey hier, ne, wir haben jetzt Banden gekauft. Der AI Redride war jetzt mit. Krass, dass jetzt alles funktioniert.\n\nUnd was man auch gleichzeitig sagen muss, der Release von 1 Punkt 4 hat sich super stark verzögert. Also es war auch so etwas, was in der Community bisschen negativ aufgefasst wurde. Es hieß so, ja am siebten Juli wird das released, dann war's irgendwie so kurz vorm siebten Juli, der gesagt, ah sorry, wir sind noch mal 'n paar Tage danach. Dann ist der 7. Juli vergangen, da wurd nichts gesagt und dann so, hey, in der nächsten Version von Bun passiert das und das und dann also Ende vom Lied.\n\nInsgesamt gab's dann noch mal so 12 Ankündigungen und anstatt dem siebten Juli ist es jetzt der 20. August geworden, also hat sich dann massiv verzögert, wo dann auch natürlich die Stimme in der Community groß so, na ja okay, weil dieser ganze AI Slop von Bann nicht irgendwie, man man konnte da sich gar nicht zurechtfinden und deswegen ist jetzt alles so krass verzögert gewesen. Und was ich auch sehr interessant fand, der SIG Schöpfer Andrew Kelly, er hat sich nämlich auch zu dieser gesamten Thematik geäußert und ich fand Von der\n\nSpeaker 2: Kelly Family. Von der Kelly Family, genau.\n\nSpeaker 1: Also das war ja, wie viel war das? 12 Leute so? Ja. Da ist 1 auch Entwickler geworden. Genau und ich ich fand sein Zitat da eigentlich sehr sehr cool.\n\nDer hat gesagt, Ja, also wurde auch mal so gesagt, so eigentlich war das schon immer Kraut und Rüben, was er gemacht wurde, solche LLMs haben's jetzt nicht so viel schlimmer gemacht. Und aber und das möcht ich an der Stelle auch sagen, man muss ja auch irgendwie 'n bisschen die andere Seite sehen, also Richtung Pro AI, sag ich mal, die es auch in der Community gibt. Also ich hab unter Hacker News einfach mal der Thread verfolgt, was da die Stimmen sagen. Und man muss ja sagen, es ist schon krass, es ist 'n winziges Team von irgendwas die 10 Leute, irgendwas zwischen 10 und 15 und die haben halt diese gesamte Engine, wann ist ja schon eine komplexe Engine innerhalb von unter Tagen umgeschrieben dann komplett durch AI, hätten die wahrscheinlich erstens vielleicht nie gemacht und zweitens wenn dann 'n Jahr dran gesessen oder so damals und irgendwie muss man sagen, es ist ja schon gewissermaßen ein proof für na ja son AI Rewrite funktioniert, denn jetzt auch 1 Punkt 4 ist released. Die ersten Leute sagen, hey, auch in unserer Codebasis, das ist alles schneller geworden, weniger Memory Use, CPU Auslastung ist geringer.\n\nAuch Großprojekte, type Script unter anderem, hat auch gesagt, hey, ja, funktioniert voll gut. Von daher hatten wir jetzt so diese 2 Seiten, wo vielleicht der Weg dahin 'n bisschen holprig war, aber der Release an sich muss er sagen, hey, ist 'n ist eigentlich ganz sauber. Ist natürlich jetzt die Frage, wie läuft's in den nächsten Wochen so? Ist da etwas, was er noch mal auftaucht, wo man sagen muss, ist nicht ganz so gut, hier und da sind echt grobe Fehler, aber bisher wirkt der Release sehr, sehr gut.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja krass. Und ich mein, ich weiß gar nicht, ob das allen so bewusst ist, ne, aber Bun ist ja Teil von Intropic, ne, das hatten wir ja damals mal als Du Lust irgendwie gehabt, wurden ja gekauft Und hast Du irgendwas gehört? Also hat jetzt dieser dieses Bun Webview, was ja im Grunde genommen ist, dass sie sie schreiben ja, dass es auf macOS Webkit nutzt, ist ja im Grunde genommen Browsersteuerung ohne Puppettieren Playrite und nutzen die das? Weißt Du, ob sie fürs Cloud Code und so was, ob jetzt dieses Browser use eigentlich nutzt? Also ist das irgendwas, was jetzt auch in Cloud Code integriert ist?\n\nWeißt Du was darüber?\n\nSpeaker 1: Das weiß ich leider nicht, aber kann ich mir sehr gut vorstellen, dass das auch mitunter 'n Grund war, das natürlich so zu shapen, ne? Das Produkt liegt jetzt bei denen. Das da auch direkt mit zu nutzen, ist auf jeden Fall sehr sinnvoll, aber weiß ich tatsächlich an der Stelle nicht.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, offenbar interessant, dass es dann noch mal einen weiteren Player für Browser Automation neben Puppettier und Playright mit mit BannWebview gibt. Ich glaub, wird ja immer mehr und mehr Thema werden. Dann haben wir ja auch 'n letzten News Folge.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, tatsächlich.\n\nSpeaker 2: Also auch wieder mit Browser Useres bei Cloudflare in dem Fall irgendwie, das das Steuern Agent First. So ich kann mir vorstellen, dass dieses ganze Bann Webview Thema auch irgendwie noch mal son Agent First Twist irgendwann irgendwie bekommt. Bin ich mal gespannt, ob sie was dazu erzählen, ob Cloud Codes nutzt.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja. Ein Grundsatz, die hätte man ja erwartet, so wahrscheinlich ist ja die Bann Community tendenziell 'n bisschen progressiver, weil's eher das neuere Tool ist und son Ersatz für was war und von daher vielleicht da eher Leute drauf gesprungen sind, die irgendwie, oh cool und neu und so, das ist ja scheiße. Es gäbe immer mit Sicherheit Projekte, wo es noch schwieriger wäre, einen solchen Move zu machen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Definitiv. Und vor allem, also ich glaub auch Jared Sumner so als Person, als Entwickler ist auch eher Richtung Move Fast and Break Things.\n\nSpeaker 0: Von\n\nSpeaker 1: daher, es es passt zu seiner Persönlichkeit dann auch irgendwie. Sympathisch. Sympathisch.\n\nSpeaker 2: Gut einfach sympathisch.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja. Aber auf jeden Fall also Werbung schaut euch die schaut euch die ersten 5 Sekunden an. Ich hab's gut gemacht. Parallel, es\n\nSpeaker 2: sieht wirklich super creepy aus.\n\nSpeaker 1: Es ist wirklich gut. Aber auch an den Videos merkt man immer\n\nSpeaker 2: wieder ne, dass es halt irgendwie jetzt in sonem größeren Silicon Valley Start-up irgendwie, gut Start-up kann ich schon mal sagen, ein größeres Silicon Valley Company mit drin ist und die Art des Videos und so. Also ich weiß gar nicht, ist das eigentlich alles eine Company, die diese ganzen Werbevideos macht so?\n\nSpeaker 1: Also das so Weil die alle so gleich aussehen.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, alles ein Stil und irgendwie. Also wahrscheinlich gibt's da irgendwie oder es gibt viele so Filmcompanys, die das so als Produkt haben so. Silicon Valley Product Videos so und kannst Du überall buchen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja. Ja, aber es\n\nSpeaker 2: ist ja Sieht ja gut aus, ne. Genau. Ist ja auch gut produziert.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja. Ja. Wir haben da auch was,\n\nSpeaker 2: Jareds haben.\n\nSpeaker 1: Genau. Den gibt's schon. Ja, genau.\n\nSpeaker 0: Doppel d hat jetzt auch das 1. Musikvideo schon gemacht, aber es ist noch ein bisschen zu viel. Wenn wir das mal einmal fertig produziert, dann\n\nSpeaker 1: Die es nicht wissen, ne,\n\nSpeaker 2: wir müssen jetzt ja 'n bisschen, es kam jetzt glaub ich das 1. Feedback, dass Doppel d auf jeden Fall auf der Programmierkunden auftreten soll, was das für eine Frage sei. Und das heißt, wir müssen son bisschen in der News üben oder?\n\nSpeaker 1: Bis dahin so. Ja, das stimmt.\n\nSpeaker 2: Das ist doch Also Doppel-d, ne, das Pseudonym von Aber dass Du auch\n\nSpeaker 0: Zugriff auf dieses Soundboard hast, ist ja fantastisch.\n\nSpeaker 2: Na, es ist einfach in unserem River Side Media Board mit drin. Neben dem Intro liegt einfach Doppel d. Ich hab nur gerade kurz geschaut.\n\nSpeaker 1: Geil, aber find ich gut, dass das jetzt einfach integraler Bestandteil von dem d ist. Ja. Dope.\n\nSpeaker 2: Also Doppel d. Gebt gerne weiter Feedback, falls ihr's doch nicht wollt. Noch könnt ihr was ja andrehen. So, wir\n\nSpeaker 0: können das verhindern das Ganze.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja. Das Selbstbewusstsein von Dave und Dennis wächst nämlich nach dem letzten Feedback so und ich\n\nSpeaker 2: weiß nicht, ob das gut ist so.\n\nSpeaker 1: Auf jeden Fall, wenn\n\nSpeaker 2: ihr mehr Doppel d diesen Podcast hören, wenn wenn keiner irgendwann anfängt zu sagen, lasst die Scheiße.\n\nSpeaker 0: Das dürft ihr feedbacken. Danach können wir umgehen. Können wir Leute blockieren?\n\nSpeaker 2: Sehr gut. Slack. Slack, genau. Fabi, Du hast es falsch ausgesprochen. Slack.\n\nJa. Ich hab nämlich mit Freunden sehr gut sehr viel geübt, wie man Slack oder auch Slack ausspricht und Dave hätte gerne, dass ich das ganze Slack nenne, damit Slack in eurem Ohr schön zischt. Ja. Okay, ich nenn's ob jetzt lieber Slack oder bevor wir jetzt alle abschalten. Weil das ist ganz interessant.\n\nSalesforce hat nämlich letzte Woche auf der Dreamforce einen neuen Channel Typ in Allein das\n\nSpeaker 0: ist schon schön.\n\nSpeaker 2: Alleine Slack eingeführt.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja. Salesforce macht es sofort, also ich weiß nicht, wie es euch geht. Ich hab lange Zeit ignoriert, dass das mit doll zu Salesforce gehört, aber es macht es direkt irgendwie richtig viel unsympathisch.\n\nSpeaker 1: Also ich hab's auch vergessen.\n\nSpeaker 2: Als ich's auch gelesen hab, dachte ich immer, Sales was macht 'n die Slack? Ja. Ja. Aber wenn man auch auf die Homepage geht, ne, steht ja Slack und dann from Salesforce unten drunter. Also man kann's eigentlich, wenn man auf die Homepage geht, nicht mehr übersehen, aber ich war auch kurz noch mal überrascht.\n\nRichtig.\n\nSpeaker 0: So. Hab dich unterbrochen.\n\nSpeaker 2: Nee, alles alles gut. Auf jeden Fall haben sie auf der Dreamforce den neuen Channel Typ einen einen neuen Channel Typ eingeführt, den nur Agenten erzeugen können und zwar gibt's die Code Channels und son bisschen ihr Promis, was sie jetzt haben mit dem neuen Feature ist so, also dass im Grunde genommen alle noch mehr Zugriff zu einem Code Agent bekommen. Ich mein, wir kennen das schon mit Claytec, der aber im Grunde genommen ja bisher so ist, erlebt da, wo auch Kommunikation stattfindet, also in irgendwelchen Channels, liest einfach mit, codet mit, antwortet mit und jetzt son bisschen die Idee ist, wir wollen ja in der letzten Folge, ne, über 'n neuen Agent Harnison auch schon uns unterhalten, so, wo's ja viel darum gibt und das ist im Grunde genommen der Agent Harness für das breite Volk, also oft Product Manager und so weiter mit der These, na ja, am Ende soll doch agenische Entwicklung da stattfinden, wo auch die Arbeit sonst stattfindet und zwar im Slack und die Idee ist, man kann einen Agent einfach, man muss irgendwas eingerichtet haben, beispielsweise mit klar Tech funktioniert es, dass man an einen Agent schreibt, irgendwo im Channel, ihm eine Aufgabe gibt und er erzeugt einen neuen Code Channel, so heißt dieser neue Typ von Channel, was übrigens schon sehr lang nicht mehr, also in Slack wurde schon sehr lange kein neuer Channeltyp mehr eingeführt.\n\nJetzt gibt's den eben diesen Code Channel und in dem Channel ist im Grunde genommen alles gebündelt. Also der Plan, den sich der Agent zurechtgelegt hat, das Repository, bei dem was verändert wird. Codeives werden direkt Side by Side dargestellt, der wird da angehängt und es gibt auch eine Live HTML Vorschau des Ergebnisses, also im Grunde genommen das, was man auch so sonst von verschiedenen Coding Agents, Hanesses irgendwie kennt und ist erst mal in jedem Slackpaaren enthalten ohne Aufpreis. Natürlich kosten die Agents Geld so. Bisher funktioniert's mit Clayd von Antropic, also Clayw tech.\n\nDavin funktioniert's auch, wo ich sagen muss, ey, dass Davin überhaupt 'n Ding ist, also haben wir haben wir auch nie wirklich ausprobiert ne. Für mich war das irgendwie 1 der ersten, die mit Agents angefangen haben irgendwie ultra teuer und find's interessant, dass sie auf jeden Fall noch 'n Player Weil sie mein, die\n\nSpeaker 0: haben sich glaube ich auch weiterentwickelt von ihrem potenziellen.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ich bin immer wieder überrascht, wo ich überrascht bin,\n\nSpeaker 1: dass der Slack\n\nSpeaker 2: zu Spaceforce gehört und nicht überrascht, dass es Davin noch gibt.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ich find, also ich höre das gerade das 1. Mal von Davin tatsächlich. Ist komplett an mir vorbeigezogen.\n\nSpeaker 2: Du bist erst zu spät hier in der, das war schon ein News Thema.\n\nSpeaker 0: Nur Ding.\n\nSpeaker 1: Wollte ich grad sagen, ja.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ach krass.\n\nSpeaker 2: Genau und ich mein im Grunde genommen beschreibt's ja schon das, was es son bisschen ist, ne. Also so, dass im Grunde genommen der das Agent Coding in den Teamchat wandert und natürlich dann so Fragen sind, so wer hat dann am Ende irgendwie darauf Zugriff, also rechte Management ja durchaus irgendwie 'n Thema ist oder was Du mit Claytec ja im Grunde genommen auch schon hattest, aber ja, das ist eigentlich ganz interessant, dass dann da auch son bisschen von, also die ich glaube so wie Slack sich's am Ende schon vorstellt, dass am Ende das tägliche Arbeit dann auch wirklich dann in Slack gemacht wird. Natürlich 'n bisschen der Zugriff wieder 'n bisschen proprietäria. Es ist jetzt nicht son Open Harness, wie wir's beim letzten Mal hatten, sondern Slack entscheidet im Endeffekt, was für Agents und wie sie irgendwie da drin laufen. Ist jetzt irgendwie kein MCP oder sowas, mit dem das Ganze angehen kann, aber son bisschen mit ihrer Vorstellung ist, glaube ich, dass einfach alle Arbeit in diesen Code Channels dann funktioniert, so jeder Zugriff dazu hat, irgendwie den progress sehen kann, sehen kann, was noch irgendwie offen ist Und ist glaube ich einfach noch mal interessant insofern, dass es halt einfach noch mal zeigt, so dass das Produkt den Agent Handels, also wo am Ende die Agenten arbeiten, glaube ich immer mehr und mehr Thema wird.\n\nEs wird mehr und mehr konkurrierende Produkte dafür geben und es wird sich son bisschen rauskristallisieren, wie die Arbeit in Zukunft strukturiert wird und was für Tools dort vorherrschend sind, aber natürlich hat Slack erst mal eine ganz gute ganz gute Grundlage, dass die User Base halt schon mal da ist. Das heißt, wenn sie das nicht allzu schlecht machen, kann ich mir schon vorstellen, dass sie 'n interessanter Player da am Markt werden. Also ich mein, Cloud Tech ehrlicherweise bei uns, wenn wir nicht Slack als Tool genutzt hätten, wäre ich ja was, was ich niemals proaktiv dorthin gegangen wäre, es auszuprobieren, aber jetzt da es halt in Slack funktioniert, ist es schon was, was mittlerweile in unserem Alltag viel genutzt wird und genau das Gleiche kann ich mir auch vorstellen, dass diese Code Channels da noch mal einen Ding werden, vor allem halt einfach die den Zugang noch mal breiter machen für viele so, ne, dass halt noch mal eine Eintrittsbarriere weniger ist für Leute, komplette Aufgaben an den Agent zu vergeben und dann auch irgendwie zu sehen mit 'nem HTML Preview, je nachdem, was es halt für Projekte sind, wie gut diese noch funktioniert und so. Muss man alles mal sich anschauen, aber\n\nSpeaker 0: ja, ich mein Ich find das 'n interessanter Aspekt, dass Du sagst so, ne, den Zugang noch mal breiter macht, weil ich könnte mir vorstellen, dass das auch erst mal die Zielgruppe ist, wo's besser ankommt oder viel ankommt. Ich finde irgendwie so von meiner Vorstellung ist Slack halt son bisschen begrenzt in dem in der in den Möglichkeiten, das irgendwie, ne, so full flatge zu machen. Wenn jetzt keine Ahnung, dir 'n, was auch immer, es gibt Kontakte oder Superset oder ne, die jetzt auch so Multiplayer Sachen machen, ne und mit mehreren Leuten dran arbeiten können, die haben sone gesamte UI und so ein gesamtes Interface und sowas und ne, können da mit Tastatur kürzer und keine Ahnung, also so volle Dev Experience praktisch bauen und ich hab irgendwie das Gefühl, da ist Slack halt so, ja, sie haben jetzt dieses Channels und da gibt's auch unterschiedliche Tabs, aber sie sind doch trotzdem irgendwo gefesselt in ihrem in ihrem Slackoutfit, was sie son bisschen außen rum haben. Ich find's superspannend für, ich glaub schon mal erwähnt, Cloud Tech nutzen wir viel für programmierbare Webseiten, Weiterentwicklungen und so Dinge, die wir da tun und und und CMS und so.\n\nUnd dafür ist es super cool und auch diese gemeinsame daran arbeiten und deswegen sehe ich auch, dass es für viele Teams und kleine Projekte und sowas superspannend ist. Ob jetzt halt bei uns beispielsweise die großen Game Teams oder die großen Entwicklungssachen so zeitnah darauf migrieren, da hätte ich noch 'n noch 'n kleines Fragezeichen.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, definitiv sogar ein großes Fragezeichen, das irgendwie darauf migriert wird. So ist halt Ja, ich mein, die haben auf jeden Fall einen Nachteil davon, dass sie in ein bestehendes Produkt sind auf einmal AI dort integrieren müssen und wie andere Agent Harness Hanesses im Grunde genommen ein Tool komplett von the groundup nur dafür bauen können. Ja. Und ich kann mir schon vorstellen, dass am Ende irgendwie eine Form von Ergänzung möglicherweise möglicherweise wird so und aber auch zum Beispiel, ich weiß nicht, vielleicht neue Features eher in Agent Harnesses gemacht werden, aber wenn's dann so Support Sachen geht, ne, wie Backerkennung oder so was irgendwie kleinere Änderungen, sodass es dann, dass es, glaube ich, 'n Platz dafür hat, bestimmte Features dort umzusetzen und das nicht immer alles irgendwie in das in das andere Hahnes mitzuführen, sondern da, wo sich irgendwie über Dinge ausgetauscht wird, auch direkt Dinge umsetzen zu können. So dafür ist ja im Moment das, wofür wir auch Clay Tech ja teilweise nutzen, aber es ist 'n bisschen schwieriger nachzuverfolgen.\n\nDann passiert es in irgendwelchen Threads, da musst Du irgendwie wieder schauen und so und kann mir schon vorstellen, dass es einfach noch mal ein Schritt mehr wird zu Slack kann ein Teil des Tool Belts irgendwie werden. Wird da die komplette Entwicklung drüber laufen? Boah, kann ich mir auch schwierig vorstellen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Aber ich find also ich find gerade diesen Bogen, den Du aufgemacht hast, Fabi, sehr spannend, weil also ich muss sagen, ich find diese Verwendung aktuell von Claude Tech, die wir haben, superangenehm und geil, ne. Also grad Case, den Du aufgemacht hast, hier ist Support oder so, dass Support quasi nicht zu uns Devs jetzt erst mal kommt, sondern sagt so, hey Claude, ist da irgendwie wirklich 'n Fehler oder versteht der User grade einfach nicht, was die Sache ist und dann einfach mit Claude einfach in den Code direkt gucken kann und da realisiert, hey, okay, das ist international oder wir haben hier wirklich 'n Fehler. Und auf der anderen Seite, ich glaub Fabi, manchmal hast Du ja aus der anderen Frage gestellt, ey, haben wir hier 'n Tracking dafür? Ist da aus Produktsicht das so und so implementiert? Und dann kannst Du ja selbst da auch einfach damit interagieren.\n\nUnd wenn wir dann noch on top die Möglichkeit haben, so bisschen übersichtlicher so, hey, dann wird das aus diesem Thread irgendwie in son Code Channel reingepackt und dann kann doch mal 'n Entwickler drüber schauen und sagen, ach so, das wurden die Erinnerungen wurden gemacht. Ja geil, nee, können wir das einfach so durchgehen lassen oder ich glaub, das sollen wir noch mal anfassen. Finde ich erst mal eine coole Richtung, da noch mal so ergänzend.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, aber mal schauen. Wird es das Tool wahrscheinlich bei Wetten? Nee, aber wird's irgendwie eine 1 Rolle spielen? Denk schon.\n\nSpeaker 0: Cool. So, was haben wir auf der Uhr? 14 Minuten. 5 Stunden. Ja.\n\nIst auch eine kurze Folge geworden, oder?\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, eigentlich so wie ursprünglich die News mal gedacht worden, vorher gedacht waren von der Länge\n\nSpeaker 0: Stunde sogar.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, war mal eine Viertelstunde eigentlich, aber Ja.\n\nSpeaker 1: Wir hatten, weil ich hab mir echt mal eine Viertelstunde\n\nSpeaker 2: Wir haben eigentlich immer gesagt eine Viertelstunde und haben es nie verändert, aber halten uns halt einfach nicht dran. Also Ach\n\nSpeaker 1: krass, ich sag eine halbe Stunde war immer so, aber theoretisch haben wir noch 'n viertes Thema.\n\nSpeaker 0: Das machen wir nicht.\n\nSpeaker 1: Das machen wir nicht. Perfekt. Hast Du dich vorbereitet? Nee, gar nicht. Gut.\n\nSpeaker 0: Falls ihr eine Chance haben wollt, Doppel-d vielleicht live zu erleben oder Mitspracherecht zu haben, dass das nicht passiert. Es gibt noch Tickets für die Programmier konnten.\n\nSpeaker 1: Wir sind\n\nSpeaker 0: gerade fünfundzwanzigsten 26 November.\n\nSpeaker 1: Wir sind gerade bei über 2 Drittel verkauften Tickets oder? Ja. Also nicht mehr viele sind da.\n\nSpeaker 0: Nicht mehr so viele. Von daher genau. Guckt gerne, wenn ihr die haben wollt und sonst schreibt uns wie immer gerne an Podcast at Programmier Punkt bar oder über die Social Media Kanäle oder über Spotify und ja, sonst wünschen wir euch eine wunderschöne Kalenderwoche 35 und danke Fabi, danke Dave.\n\nSpeaker 1: Gerne, gerne, danke Dennis.\n\nSpeaker 0: Bis zum nächsten Mal. Macht's gut.\n\nSpeaker 1: Bis dann. Tschau. Tschau. 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ja.",3,{"sentences":14594,"speaker":125,"num_words":14605,"start":959,"end":1189},[14595,14597,14599,14601,14603],{"text":14596,"start":959,"end":1061},"So und Philipp ist heute nicht dabei, das liegt aber eher daran, dass wir das mit dem Terminen noch 'n bisschen frisch neu organisieren müssen, dass wir mal den gleichen Slot haben.",{"text":14598,"start":1065,"end":1116},"Genau Philipp wird entweder alle 14 Tage oder wenn er Zeit hat dann hier mit dazu kommen.",{"text":14600,"start":1120,"end":1170},"Heute sind wir in dieser Dreierkonstellation, reden über Slack, reden über Raplit und reden über Brötchen.",{"text":14602,"start":1174,"end":1179},"Brötchen, genau.",{"text":14604,"start":1179,"end":1189},"Über Banden.",69,{"sentences":14607,"speaker":125,"num_words":14610,"start":1193,"end":1259},[14608],{"text":14609,"start":1193,"end":1259},"Das sind die Themen, die wir heute mitgebracht haben und wie immer heute die kürzeste News Folge, die ihr jeweils von der Programmierbar 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genau.",7,{"sentences":14870,"speaker":101,"num_words":14880,"start":6000,"end":6086},[14871,14873,14875,14876,14878],{"text":14872,"start":6000,"end":6023},"Also das war ja, wie viel war das?",{"text":14874,"start":6023,"end":6032},"12 Leute so?",{"text":1908,"start":6032,"end":6036},{"text":14877,"start":6036,"end":6053},"Da ist 1 auch Entwickler geworden.",{"text":14879,"start":6056,"end":6086},"Genau und ich ich fand sein Zitat da eigentlich sehr sehr cool.",30,{"sentences":14882,"speaker":101,"num_words":14893,"start":6086,"end":6617},[14883,14885,14887,14889,14891],{"text":14884,"start":6086,"end":6175},"Der hat gesagt, Ja, also wurde auch mal so gesagt, so eigentlich war das schon immer Kraut und Rüben, was er gemacht wurde, solche LLMs haben's jetzt nicht so viel schlimmer gemacht.",{"text":14886,"start":6179,"end":6269},"Und aber und das möcht ich an der Stelle auch sagen, man muss ja auch irgendwie 'n bisschen die andere Seite sehen, also Richtung Pro AI, sag ich mal, die es auch in der Community gibt.",{"text":14888,"start":6269,"end":6316},"Also ich hab unter Hacker News einfach mal der Thread verfolgt, was da die Stimmen sagen.",{"text":14890,"start":6320,"end":6555},"Und man muss ja sagen, es ist schon krass, es ist 'n winziges Team von irgendwas die 10 Leute, irgendwas zwischen 10 und 15 und die haben halt diese gesamte Engine, wann ist ja schon eine komplexe Engine innerhalb von unter Tagen umgeschrieben dann komplett durch AI, hätten die wahrscheinlich erstens vielleicht nie gemacht und zweitens wenn dann 'n Jahr dran gesessen oder so damals und irgendwie muss man sagen, es ist ja schon gewissermaßen ein proof für na ja son AI Rewrite funktioniert, denn jetzt auch 1 Punkt 4 ist released.",{"text":14892,"start":6559,"end":6617},"Die ersten Leute sagen, hey, auch in unserer Codebasis, das ist alles schneller geworden, weniger Memory Use, CPU Auslastung ist geringer.",197,{"sentences":14895,"speaker":101,"num_words":14707,"start":6621,"end":6853},[14896,14898,14900,14902],{"text":14897,"start":6621,"end":6662},"Auch Großprojekte, type Script unter anderem, hat auch gesagt, hey, ja, funktioniert voll gut.",{"text":14899,"start":6662,"end":6743},"Von daher hatten wir jetzt so diese 2 Seiten, wo vielleicht der Weg dahin 'n bisschen holprig war, aber der Release an sich muss er sagen, hey, ist 'n ist eigentlich ganz sauber.",{"text":14901,"start":6743,"end":6773},"Ist natürlich jetzt die Frage, wie läuft's in den nächsten Wochen so?",{"text":14903,"start":6773,"end":6853},"Ist da etwas, was er noch mal auftaucht, wo man sagen muss, ist nicht ganz so gut, hier und da sind echt grobe Fehler, aber bisher wirkt der Release sehr, sehr gut.",{"sentences":14905,"speaker":233,"num_words":14916,"start":6855,"end":7159},[14906,14908,14910,14912,14914],{"text":14907,"start":6855,"end":6859},"Ja krass.",{"text":14909,"start":6859,"end":6972},"Und ich mein, ich weiß gar nicht, ob das allen so bewusst ist, ne, aber Bun ist ja Teil von Intropic, ne, das hatten wir ja damals mal als Du Lust irgendwie gehabt, wurden ja gekauft Und hast Du irgendwas gehört?",{"text":14911,"start":6972,"end":7081},"Also hat jetzt dieser dieses Bun Webview, was ja im Grunde genommen ist, dass sie sie schreiben ja, dass es auf macOS Webkit nutzt, ist ja im Grunde genommen Browsersteuerung ohne Puppettieren Playrite und nutzen die das?",{"text":14913,"start":7081,"end":7129},"Weißt Du, ob sie fürs Cloud Code und so was, ob jetzt dieses Browser use eigentlich nutzt?",{"text":14915,"start":7129,"end":7159},"Also ist das irgendwas, was jetzt auch in Cloud Code integriert ist?",109,{"sentences":14918,"speaker":233,"num_words":14530,"start":7159,"end":7170},[14919],{"text":14920,"start":7159,"end":7170},"Weißt Du was darüber?",{"sentences":14922,"speaker":101,"num_words":14929,"start":7173,"end":7306},[14923,14925,14927],{"text":14924,"start":7173,"end":7237},"Das weiß ich leider nicht, aber kann ich mir sehr gut vorstellen, dass das auch mitunter 'n Grund war, das natürlich so zu shapen, ne?",{"text":14926,"start":7237,"end":7254},"Das Produkt liegt jetzt bei denen.",{"text":14928,"start":7254,"end":7306},"Das da auch direkt mit zu nutzen, ist auf jeden Fall sehr sinnvoll, aber weiß ich tatsächlich an der Stelle nicht.",52,{"sentences":14931,"speaker":233,"num_words":14938,"start":7309,"end":7427},[14932,14934,14936],{"text":14933,"start":7309,"end":7375},"Ja, offenbar interessant, dass es dann noch mal einen weiteren Player für Browser Automation neben Puppettier und Playright mit mit BannWebview gibt.",{"text":14935,"start":7375,"end":7402},"Ich glaub, wird ja immer mehr und mehr Thema werden.",{"text":14937,"start":7402,"end":7427},"Dann haben wir ja auch 'n letzten News 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neuere Tool ist und son Ersatz für was war und von daher vielleicht da eher Leute drauf gesprungen sind, die irgendwie, oh cool und neu und so, das ist ja scheiße.",{"text":14957,"start":7737,"end":7784},"Es gäbe immer mit Sicherheit Projekte, wo es noch schwieriger wäre, einen solchen Move zu machen.",{"sentences":14959,"speaker":101,"num_words":14610,"start":7784,"end":7849},[14960,14961],{"text":7789,"start":7784,"end":7787},{"text":14962,"start":7791,"end":7849},"Und vor allem, also ich glaub auch Jared Sumner so als Person, als Entwickler ist auch eher Richtung Move Fast and Break Things.",{"sentences":14964,"speaker":125,"num_words":101,"start":7849,"end":7853},[14965],{"text":5977,"start":7849,"end":7853},{"sentences":14967,"speaker":101,"num_words":14583,"start":7853,"end":7890},[14968,14970,14971],{"text":14969,"start":7853,"end":7878},"daher, es es passt zu seiner Persönlichkeit dann auch irgendwie.",{"text":7887,"start":7884,"end":7885},{"text":7887,"start":7889,"end":7890},{"sentences":14973,"speaker":233,"num_words":14592,"start":7893,"end":7902},[14974],{"text":14975,"start":7893,"end":7902},"Gut einfach sympathisch.",{"sentences":14977,"speaker":101,"num_words":14985,"start":7905,"end":7966},[14978,14979,14981,14983],{"text":1908,"start":7905,"end":7906},{"text":14980,"start":7906,"end":7946},"Aber auf jeden Fall also Werbung schaut euch die schaut euch die ersten 5 Sekunden an.",{"text":14982,"start":7946,"end":7958},"Ich hab's gut gemacht.",{"text":14984,"start":7958,"end":7966},"Parallel, es",23,{"sentences":14987,"speaker":233,"num_words":14567,"start":7966,"end":7978},[14988],{"text":14989,"start":7966,"end":7978},"sieht wirklich super creepy aus.",{"sentences":14991,"speaker":101,"num_words":14583,"start":7978,"end":8007},[14992,14994],{"text":14993,"start":7978,"end":7988},"Es ist wirklich gut.",{"text":14995,"start":7988,"end":8007},"Aber auch an den Videos 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sofort, also ich weiß nicht, wie es euch geht.",{"text":15177,"start":9337,"end":9389},"Ich hab lange Zeit ignoriert, dass das mit doll zu Salesforce gehört, aber es macht es direkt irgendwie richtig viel unsympathisch.",{"sentences":15179,"speaker":101,"num_words":14567,"start":9393,"end":9405},[15180],{"text":15181,"start":9393,"end":9405},"Also ich hab's auch vergessen.",{"sentences":15183,"speaker":233,"num_words":15192,"start":9405,"end":9559},[15184,15186,15187,15188,15190],{"text":15185,"start":9405,"end":9450},"Als ich's auch gelesen hab, dachte ich immer, Sales was macht 'n die Slack?",{"text":1908,"start":9453,"end":9454},{"text":1908,"start":9454,"end":9458},{"text":15189,"start":9458,"end":9505},"Aber wenn man auch auf die Homepage geht, ne, steht ja Slack und dann from Salesforce unten drunter.",{"text":15191,"start":9505,"end":9559},"Also man kann's eigentlich, wenn man auf die Homepage geht, nicht mehr übersehen, aber ich war auch kurz noch mal 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erlebt da, wo auch Kommunikation stattfindet, also in irgendwelchen Channels, liest einfach mit, codet mit, antwortet mit und jetzt son bisschen die Idee ist, wir wollen ja in der letzten Folge, ne, über 'n neuen Agent Harnison auch schon uns unterhalten, so, wo's ja viel darum gibt und das ist im Grunde genommen der Agent Harness für das breite Volk, also oft Product Manager und so weiter mit der These, na ja, am Ende soll doch agenische Entwicklung da stattfinden, wo auch die Arbeit sonst stattfindet und zwar im Slack und die Idee ist, man kann einen Agent einfach, man muss irgendwas eingerichtet haben, beispielsweise mit klar Tech funktioniert es, dass man an einen Agent schreibt, irgendwo im Channel, ihm eine Aufgabe gibt und er erzeugt einen neuen Code Channel, so heißt dieser neue Typ von Channel, was übrigens schon sehr lang nicht mehr, also in Slack wurde schon sehr lange kein neuer Channeltyp mehr 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auch schon hattest, aber ja, das ist eigentlich ganz interessant, dass dann da auch son bisschen von, also die ich glaube so wie Slack sich's am Ende schon vorstellt, dass am Ende das tägliche Arbeit dann auch wirklich dann in Slack gemacht wird.",{"text":15278,"start":11111,"end":11134},"Natürlich 'n bisschen der Zugriff wieder 'n bisschen proprietäria.",{"text":15280,"start":11138,"end":11207},"Es ist jetzt nicht son Open Harness, wie wir's beim letzten Mal hatten, sondern Slack entscheidet im Endeffekt, was für Agents und wie sie irgendwie da drin laufen.",{"text":15282,"start":11207,"end":11419},"Ist jetzt irgendwie kein MCP oder sowas, mit dem das Ganze angehen kann, aber son bisschen mit ihrer Vorstellung ist, glaube ich, dass einfach alle Arbeit in diesen Code Channels dann funktioniert, so jeder Zugriff dazu hat, irgendwie den progress sehen kann, sehen kann, was noch irgendwie offen ist Und ist glaube ich einfach noch mal interessant insofern, dass es halt einfach noch mal zeigt, so dass das Produkt den Agent Handels, also wo am Ende die Agenten arbeiten, glaube ich immer mehr und mehr Thema wird.",231,{"sentences":15285,"speaker":233,"num_words":79,"start":11419,"end":11954},[15286,15288,15290,15292],{"text":15287,"start":11419,"end":11558},"Es wird mehr und mehr konkurrierende Produkte dafür geben und es wird sich son bisschen rauskristallisieren, wie die Arbeit in Zukunft strukturiert wird und was für Tools dort vorherrschend sind, aber natürlich hat Slack erst mal eine ganz gute ganz gute Grundlage, dass die User Base halt schon mal da ist.",{"text":15289,"start":11558,"end":11614},"Das heißt, wenn sie das nicht allzu schlecht machen, kann ich mir schon vorstellen, dass sie 'n interessanter Player da am Markt werden.",{"text":15291,"start":11614,"end":11935},"Also ich mein, Cloud Tech ehrlicherweise bei uns, wenn wir nicht Slack als Tool genutzt hätten, wäre ich ja was, was ich niemals proaktiv dorthin gegangen wäre, es auszuprobieren, aber jetzt da es halt in Slack funktioniert, ist es schon was, was mittlerweile in unserem Alltag viel genutzt wird und genau das Gleiche kann ich mir auch vorstellen, dass diese Code Channels da noch mal einen Ding werden, vor allem halt einfach die den Zugang noch mal breiter machen für viele so, ne, dass halt noch mal eine Eintrittsbarriere weniger ist für Leute, komplette Aufgaben an den Agent zu vergeben und dann auch irgendwie zu sehen mit 'nem HTML Preview, je nachdem, was es halt für Projekte sind, wie gut diese noch funktioniert und so.",{"text":15293,"start":11935,"end":11954},"Muss man alles mal sich anschauen, aber",{"sentences":15295,"speaker":125,"num_words":15304,"start":11956,"end":12496},[15296,15298,15300,15302],{"text":15297,"start":11956,"end":12053},"ja, ich mein Ich find das 'n interessanter Aspekt, dass Du sagst so, ne, den Zugang noch mal breiter macht, weil ich könnte mir vorstellen, dass das auch erst mal die Zielgruppe ist, wo's besser ankommt oder viel 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übersichtlicher so, hey, dann wird das aus diesem Thread irgendwie in son Code Channel reingepackt und dann kann doch mal 'n Entwickler drüber schauen und sagen, ach so, das wurden die Erinnerungen wurden gemacht.",{"text":15350,"start":13722,"end":13770},"Ja geil, nee, können wir das einfach so durchgehen lassen oder ich glaub, das sollen wir noch mal anfassen.",{"text":15352,"start":13770,"end":13802},"Finde ich erst mal eine coole Richtung, da noch mal so ergänzend.",77,{"sentences":15355,"speaker":233,"num_words":15364,"start":13805,"end":13863},[15356,15358,15360,15362],{"text":15357,"start":13805,"end":13813},"Ja, aber mal schauen.",{"text":15359,"start":13813,"end":13831},"Wird es das Tool wahrscheinlich bei Wetten?",{"text":15361,"start":13835,"end":13856},"Nee, aber wird's irgendwie eine 1 Rolle spielen?",{"text":15363,"start":13859,"end":13863},"Denk 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