[{"data":1,"prerenderedAt":33988},["ShallowReactive",2],{"\u002Fpodcast\u002Fnews-28-26-eu-rekordstrafe-gegen-google-ai-vs-open-source-midjourney-medical":3},{"podcast":4,"pickOfTheDayCount":82,"speakerCount":83,"relatedPodcasts":84,"transcript":85},{"id":5,"published_on":6,"type":7,"number":8,"title":9,"slug":10,"description":11,"transcript":12,"audio_url":13,"apple_url":12,"google_url":12,"spotify_url":12,"youtube_url":14,"cover_image":15,"banner_image":12,"speakers":27,"members":28,"picks_of_the_day":78,"tags":79,"tagsPrepared":80,"speakersPrepared":81},"cd349195-8e5c-4c09-b62a-998e97a8c608","2026-07-09T04:00:00.000Z","news","28\u002F26","EU-Rekordstrafe gegen Google \u002F\u002F AI vs. Open Source \u002F\u002F Midjourney Medical","news-28-26-eu-rekordstrafe-gegen-google-ai-vs-open-source-midjourney-medical","\u003Cp>In dieser Woche geht es um eine der h&ouml;chsten Wettbewerbsstrafen der EU-Geschichte, um die Frage, wie Open-Source-Projekte mit dem Ansturm AI-generierter Beitr&auml;ge umgehen, und um den vielleicht gr&ouml;&szlig;ten Plot Twist der AI-Branche.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp>\u003Cem>Ihr habt noch kein Ticket f&uuml;r die programmier.con 2026? Dann nutzt jetzt noch die Chance und nehmt am 25. und 26 November an unserem Event rund um Web und AI teil! Mehr unter: \u003Ca href=\"https:\u002F\u002Fcon.programmier.bar\u002F\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\u002F\u002Fcon.programmier.bar\u002F\u003C\u002Fa>\u003C\u002Fem>\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp>Der Europ&auml;ische Gerichtshof hat die Berufung von Google und Alphabet abgewiesen und damit \u003Ca href=\"https:\u002F\u002Fwww.tagesschau.de\u002Fwirtschaft\u002Funternehmen\u002Fgoogle-rekordstrafe-eu-100.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">die Strafe von 4,1 Milliarden Euro endg&uuml;ltig best&auml;tigt\u003C\u002Fa>. Im Kern ging es um Android: Wer den Play Store auf seinen Ger&auml;ten haben wollte, bekam auch Chrome und die Google-Suche vorinstalliert. Wir ordnen ein, wie sehr so eine Summe einen Konzern wie Google &uuml;berhaupt trifft.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp>Bei tldraw, einem quelloffenen Whiteboard, wurde ein \u003Ca href=\"https:\u002F\u002Fgithub.com\u002Ftldraw\u002Ftldraw\u002Fissues\u002F8082\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Issue\u003C\u002Fa> er&ouml;ffnet, um die komplette Test-Suite aus dem offenen Repository in ein geschlossenes zu verschieben. Der Hintergrund: Immer wieder bauen Leute mit AI so lange ein Konkurrenzprodukt nach, bis alle Tests durchlaufen, und deklarieren das Ergebnis dann als gleichwertig. Wir diskutieren, warum der Ansatz nur bedingt hilft und der Autor am Ende selbst zur&uuml;ckruderte.&nbsp;Der zweite Fall ist f&uuml;r uns fast noch spannender:&nbsp;\u003Ca href=\"https:\u002F\u002Fgodotengine.org\u002Farticle\u002Fcontribution-policy-2026\u002F\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Die Game Engine Godot hat eine sehr explizite Policy gegen die Flut AI-generierter Pull Requests aufgestellt\u003C\u002Fa>, inklusive Auto-Ban f&uuml;r reines Vibe-Coding und einer Kennzeichnungspflicht f&uuml;r AI-Beitr&auml;ge. Wir fragen uns, ob so ein Verteidigungsmodus der richtige Weg ist.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp>Zum Schluss bringt Dave den Plot Twist mit: Midjourney, eigentlich bekannt f&uuml;r Text-to-Image und ganz ohne Fremdkapital profitabel, steigt mit \u003Ca href=\"https:\u002F\u002Fwww.midjourney.com\u002Fmedical\u002Fblogpost\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Midjourney Medical\u003C\u002Fa> in den Gesundheitssektor ein. Das Ziel ist ein Bildgebungsger&auml;t, das euch in rund 60 Sekunden und ganz ohne Strahlung von Kopf bis Fu&szlig; scannen soll. Wir sprechen &uuml;ber den geplanten Spa in San Francisco, die kritischen Stimmen aus der Physik und dar&uuml;ber, warum das Ganze zuerst wie ein versp&auml;teter Aprilscherz klingt.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp>Au&szlig;erdem gibt es am Ende noch einen Hinweis zum \u003Ca href=\"https:\u002F\u002Fazure-community-day.de\u002F\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Azure Community Day 2026\u003C\u002Fa> in K&ouml;ln mit bekannten Gesichtern.\u003C\u002Fp>",null,"https:\u002F\u002Fwww.buzzsprout.com\u002F176239\u002Fepisodes\u002F19464021-news-28-26-eu-rekordstrafe-gegen-google-ai-vs-open-source-midjourney-medical.mp3","https:\u002F\u002Fwww.youtube.com\u002Fwatch?v=GVZFt4RzfzQ",{"id":16,"title":17,"description":12,"tags":12,"location":12,"filename_disk":18,"filename_download":19,"metadata":20,"type":21,"filesize":22,"modified_by":12,"modified_on":23,"embed":12,"uploaded_by":24,"uploaded_on":25,"folder":12,"width":26,"height":26,"charset":12,"duration":12},"a3743f4d-662e-4df4-95e4-e51d17d07df7","News Asset 28","a3743f4d-662e-4df4-95e4-e51d17d07df7.jpg","News-Asset 28.jpg",{},"image\u002Fjpeg","1263937","2026-07-08T09:43:23.165Z","11a655b6-bcfc-4c6c-a13c-68189e38edb9","2026-07-08T09:43:23.160Z",1500,[],[29,47,62],{"member":30},{"id":31,"first_name":32,"last_name":33,"occupation":34,"description":35,"normal_image":36},"47099351-508c-44d9-a2a2-855181c72ee8","Jan Gregor","Emge-Triebel","\u002F\u002F programmier.bar Tech Community Lead \u002F\u002F Podcast-Host","\u003Cp>Jan ist ein echter Technik-Fan mit einer facettenreichen Karriere, die sich &uuml;ber Web-, Mobile-App-Entwicklung und DevOps erstreckt. Dank seiner vielf&auml;ltigen Rollen &ndash; vom Entwickler &uuml;ber den Teamleiter bis hin zum Vice President Development &ndash; verf&uuml;gt Jan &uuml;ber einen gro&szlig;en Erfahrungsschatz in der Softwareentwicklung und Developer Advocacy.\u003Cbr>Seine Leidenschaften jenseits der Technik reichen von Tauchg&auml;ngen an exotischen Orten &uuml;ber das Eintauchen in digitale wie analoge Spiele bis hin zum Abtauchen in gelungene Plot-Twists in B&uuml;chern und Filmen.\u003C\u002Fp>",{"id":37,"title":38,"description":12,"tags":12,"location":12,"filename_disk":39,"filename_download":40,"metadata":41,"type":21,"filesize":42,"modified_by":12,"modified_on":43,"embed":12,"uploaded_by":44,"uploaded_on":45,"folder":12,"width":46,"height":46,"charset":12,"duration":12},"ef7c0ccb-a2b5-48a0-8261-c8bbfffd917b","Jan CD","ef7c0ccb-a2b5-48a0-8261-c8bbfffd917b.jpg","Jan_CD.jpg",{},"649400","2024-07-26T09:26:17.846Z","e97179d2-51b3-4deb-828f-9524091441f5","2024-07-26T09:26:17.710Z",1024,{"member":48},{"id":49,"first_name":50,"last_name":51,"occupation":52,"description":53,"normal_image":54},"958f6624-c721-4ff9-8a97-69148f540945","Dennis","Becker","\u002F\u002F Podcast-Host","\u003Cp>Dennis ist Head of Development bei Lotum und k&uuml;mmert sich liebevoll um die Entwickler:innen und deren Weiterentwicklung.&nbsp;\u003Cbr>In den Podcastfolgen &uuml;bernimmt Dennis gerne die Moderation. Beim t&auml;glichen Tischtennis ist er immer am Start und seit wenigen Jahren passionierter Kitesurfer. Mittlerweile ist er auch Vibe Coder mit Leidenschaft und &uuml;berzeugt, dass seine Kolleg:innen AI untersch&auml;tzen.&nbsp;\u003C\u002Fp>",{"id":55,"title":56,"description":12,"tags":12,"location":12,"filename_disk":57,"filename_download":58,"metadata":12,"type":21,"filesize":59,"modified_by":12,"modified_on":60,"embed":12,"uploaded_by":12,"uploaded_on":61,"folder":12,"width":46,"height":46,"charset":12,"duration":12},"7a9fd72e-16b1-4283-8c1f-348a3e7986f9","Dennis Becker","7a9fd72e-16b1-4283-8c1f-348a3e7986f9.jpg","dennis_becker_normal_01e352e682.jpg","45729","2022-01-16T14:26:35.196Z","2021-12-30T14:16:28.647Z",{"member":63},{"id":64,"first_name":65,"last_name":66,"occupation":67,"description":68,"normal_image":69},"11d2e9b0-4443-4287-96bc-3930b0ada739","Dave","Koschitzki","\u002F\u002F Website \u002F\u002F Podcast-Host","\u003Cp>Dave ist seit 2024 Mitglied des programmier.bar-Teams. Neben seiner Arbeit an der Website-Entwicklung bringt er frischen Wind in den Podcast und ist regelm&auml;&szlig;ig bei Meetups anzutreffen. Seine Leidenschaft f&uuml;r Games, die er sowohl auf der Konsole als auch am PC spielt, ist un&uuml;bersehbar.\u003Cbr>&nbsp;\u003Cbr>Wenn er nicht gerade in virtuelle Welten eintaucht, trifft man ihn im Fitnessstudio, wo er mit Begeisterung Gewichte stemmt. Dave bereichert das Team nicht nur durch seine technischen F&auml;higkeiten, sondern auch durch seine vielseitigen Interessen und ansteckende Energie.\u003C\u002Fp>",{"id":70,"title":71,"description":12,"tags":12,"location":12,"filename_disk":72,"filename_download":73,"metadata":74,"type":21,"filesize":75,"modified_by":12,"modified_on":76,"embed":12,"uploaded_by":44,"uploaded_on":77,"folder":12,"width":46,"height":46,"charset":12,"duration":12},"578c2a0f-e919-4668-9cb4-f5b97252d57f","Dave CD","578c2a0f-e919-4668-9cb4-f5b97252d57f.jpg","Dave_CD.jpg",{},"675668","2024-07-29T14:46:16.725Z","2024-07-29T14:46:16.613Z",[],[],[],[],476,202,[],{"id":86,"service":87,"supported_features":88,"speakers":91,"raw_response":99},"051058fc-0bd4-435e-8013-be719baff2ed","deepgram",[89,90],"timestamps","diarization",[92,95,97],{"identifier":93,"name":94},"0","Jan",{"identifier":96,"name":65},"1",{"identifier":98,"name":50},"2",{"metadata":100,"results":114},{"transaction_key":101,"request_id":102,"sha256":103,"created":104,"duration":105,"channels":106,"models":107,"model_info":109},"deprecated","019f4235-0bad-75c2-9ec2-c6c5e86f710b","63584a00f897582a9b06198a242cdde2736fd16483410169ddfbe12a244f58c4","2026-07-08T14:50:04.955Z",2562.0647,1,[108],"91f8eabe-2126-4ed4-9e56-d480032309b3",{"91f8eabe-2126-4ed4-9e56-d480032309b3":110},{"name":111,"version":112,"arch":113},"2-general-nova","2024-05-09.3071","nova-2",{"channels":115,"utterances":24094},[116],{"alternatives":117},[118],{"transcript":119,"confidence":120,"words":121,"paragraphs":22392},"Hallo und herzlich willkommen zu 1 neuen Ausgabe der programmierbaren News heute in Kalenderwoche 28 und 20 26. Wir haben quasi die Hälfte schon geschafft. Ich weiß nicht, was Dennis grade mit seinen Handzeichen bewirken will. Ich ich glaube, okay. Aber ich hoffe, darauf hinweisen, dass nicht nur ich hier bin heute, sondern neben mir im Studio sitzen auch noch Dave AKA, David Krusitzky AKA der saftige Boy. Und Dennis Becker. Das bist Du, das bin ich. Ich merk jetzt Erde, dass ihr mich grade voll trollen wollt, weil ihr euren Namen vertauscht habt im Videofeed. War das mit sich oder irgendjemand nur sich an den falschen Platz gesetzt? Nee, ich glaub, Dennis hat das nicht ganz gerafft, wer wo sitzen soll und Ja. Hab ich zweimal umpositioniert und jetzt ist es falsch. Aber ist ja auch okay. Oh, ich fühl's auch heute bisschen, Dennis Becker zu sein. Und ich, wunderbar. Ich fühl die saftig. Ich fühl mich saftig. Ich stehe im Saft. Wir wollen heute nicht nur über Saftigkeit sprechen, sondern wir sprechen über Strafen der Europäischen Union gegen Google. Wir sprechen noch mal über das Thema AI versus Open Source und Dave hat den größten Plot Twist der AI Geschichte mitgebracht und will über Mitjournil sprechen. Da sind wir mal sehr gespannt. Boah. Und Richtiger Cliffhanger. Man muss auf jeden Fall bis zum Ende bleiben, weil das ist echt 'n richtig krasses Thema. Kommt vielleicht nicht am Ende, aber Ja. Ohne aus. Ach so, Ohr. Bevor wir ans Eingemachte gehen, haben wir noch ein bisschen Housekeeping zu veranstalten und zwar hab ich noch einmal 000. Ja. Was das können wir jetzt so als Jingle irgendwie rausschneiden und dann an jeder Stelle wieder einspielen. Nicht schlecht, Dave. Ach so, Dennis, dann wär doch den Transcriptchen Bot bitte nicht so. Ach so, Momenten quasi alle ausverkauft sein. Ja. Was sagt, Claudia sagt Mitte August. Oh. Warte. Ja. Was ist die Prediction, wann wir ausverkauft sind? Ja, also Challenge an die Community ist einfach unsere AI Analyse, unseren AI AI irgendwie zu toppen. Nee oder grade Ja, genau. Zu toppen. Und so weitergeht, dann seid ihr im August ausverkauft und vielleicht schaffen wir das ja sogar noch schneller. Yes. Und der Hinweis, falls der Ticketpreis etwas sein sollte, was euch nicht leisten könnt, gibt es die Möglichkeit, dass ihr uns schreibt. Wer heißt das noch mal offiziell? Jan, Du kannst das besser. Wie heißt was offiziell? Haben wir nicht so hier Special Tickets? Ja, Educational Ticket, keine so. Tickets im, genau, die Option gibt es nicht im Shop. Ja. Aber wie gesagt, wenn ihr mit dem Ticketpreis hadert, dann schreibt uns gerne eine E-Mail. Wir können da gerne Ausnahmen machen, wenn das notwendig ist, aber das gibt's wie gesagt nicht so im Shop, sondern müssen wir euch Dennis macht euch da 'n netten Couponcode Ja. Und dann klappt das alles. Sally. Ja. Wunderbar. Ich finde, wir sollten zukünftig, auch wenn nur wenige uns in der Kamera sehen und die meisten nur auf den Ohren haben, aber immer die Programmierbar T-Shirts anziehen. Guck mal, das ist jeder Ja, also ich weiß ja gar nicht, warum Du das sagst. Also ich hab auch immer 'n Programmier-T-Shirt an. Was hab ich denn an? Dennis. Ah, das ist eigentlich, ich glaub ich hab ich hab 'n Shirt von den von Roy Byanko und den Abruzati Boys an steht da drauf. Abruzati? Was ist das? Ja, das ist die erfolgreichste Italo Schlagerband aus den Achtzigerjahren, hatten lange Zeit eine Pause gehabt, haben jetzt wieder zusammengefunden und machen einfach den Italo Schlager in Deutschland wieder populär. Häufig begegnet man der der der ein oder anderen schönen Person im Schlagerstrudel. Das ist nicht 'n Moschpit, sondern Schlagerstrudel und da kann man sich auch ab und zu aus Versehen mal küssen. Es ist ganz schön und harmonisch. Okay. Ich wurde immer wieder erstaunt über Daves Bandbreite. Das Ah ja. Formulieren wir das mal so. Cool. Dann darf Dennis einsteigen mit dem ersten Thema und uns erzählen, wie die Europäische Union Google verknackt hat und warum überhaupt. Yes, geht vermutlich relativ schnell, aber irgendwie historisch haben wir hatten wir mal Phasen, wo wir viel mehr darüber gesprochen haben. Mhm. Vielleicht auch, weil's mehr passiert ist so, aber wir hatten irgendwie die ganze Zeit irgendwelche rechtlichen Auseinandersetzungen zwischen x und y und hast Du nicht gesehen. Und vielleicht haben wir da auch schon mal drüber gesprochen, weil letztendlich, glaube ich, vor fast 2 Jahren dieses oder dein erstes Urteil dazu beschlossen wurde, aber jetzt ist es noch mal bestätigt. Von daher gibt es jetzt kein Zurück und ist mit die oder ist die höchste Wettbewerbsstrafe, die die EU jemals verhängt hat und zwar gegen Google und die müssen ein Paket von 4100000000 Euro abdrücken an die EU und Was für Google wahrscheinlich nicht viel ist, oder? Ich weiß nicht. Also ich mein, wenn ich hier mal 'n paar Milliarden und da, also ja, irgendwo ist aber natürlich irgendwie auch die Grenze. Also 'n bisschen, nee, was heißt 'n bisschen? 4000000000 muss auch ein Google schmerzen, weil Ja, glaub ich auch. Mit 4000000000 kannst Du, überlegen mal, was Du mit 4000000000 machen kannst, so. Und wenn man jetzt mitbekommt, dass Google hier und da bei irgendwelchen Events auch schon 'n bisschen den Spar, nee, ist nicht der Sparhahn, wie nennt man das? Die Zange, die den Daumen schrauben, also 'n bisschen dreht daran, nicht mehr so viel Geld auszugeben. Ja. Mit 4000000000 könntest Du noch einige Events machen. Das stimmt. Ich hab ich hab grad mal nachgeschaut, das war 3 Prozent deren Nettogewinns 2025. Und das Ist schon weh. Ja, ist schon viel, ja. Okay. Für so. Na gut, ist rechtliches Thema. Genau und daraus vor allen Dingen ja auch was für für Also Sie kriegen ja nichts dafür. Weißt Du das ja nicht so, ob Sie 3 Prozent irgendwie investieren, was damit zu machen? Oder ist einfach weg. Ja, und andererseits kannst Du natürlich sagen, vielleicht haben sie auch ähnlich eine ähnlich hohe Summe rausbekommen. Genau, wollte ich grad sagen. Und zwar ging's im im Kern darum, dass es vorinstallierte Apps auf Android Handys ging. Also das heißt, wo ja irgendwie erst mal Android auf allen möglichen Geräten kostenlos zur Verfügung gestellt wird, war halt eine Einschränkung. Wenn dort Google Play Store verfügbar sein soll auf dem Gerät, dann müssen auch zwangsweise alle möglichen anderen Apps installiert sein, unter anderem Chrome und eben die Google Suche, also die großen, die den Umsatz treiben. Mhm. Ich mein, irgendwo ran wird sich ja das Gericht orientiert haben bei den 4 Jahren, ob das jetzt das Äquivalent ist, was sie denken, was sie damit eingenommen haben oder anderen nicht ermöglicht haben. Weiß ich nicht genau. Aber ja, anyway, greift da weiter durch und genau, müssen wir jetzt final bezahlen. Und wie ist das dann? Das weiß jetzt jeder keiner, da hätte man auch vorher recherchieren können. Wie würdest Du jetzt in der EU aufgeteilt? Wo kommt dieser Pod jetzt hin bei soner Staat? Das das kann ich dir sagen. Alter, ach stimmt. Boah, das wissen das eigentlich die Zuhörerin, Dein dein Background? Weiß ich nicht. Mein Background sind viele Aktenordner und 'n Kallaxschrank. Nein, aber Du Du hast ja ja Politikwissenschaften studiert, oder? Ich hab Politikwissenschaft und Jura studiert und deshalb kann ich dir das jetzt quasi Deswegen, wir haben wirklich 'n Profi hier. Das ist krass. Das ist tatsächlich Ist das gar nicht. Erstmalig, genau. Erstmaliges Japan der Profi. Ja, alles alles gut. Es gibt im Prinzip da 2 Systeme so und in diesem Fall ist das so, bei Geldstrafen gehen die im Prinzip in den zugehörigen Staatshaushalt, ja? Also diese Strafzahlung, die da jetzt eingesammelt wird, die geht in den Haushalt von der Europäischen Union und wird dann erst mal nicht fix auf irgendwelche Länder zugeteilt, sondern fließt halt genau wie alles andere Haushaltsgeld, also in der Europäischen Union zu 'nem großen Teil in Landwirtschaftssubvention und landet dann so wieder, ja, ist er so. Ich glaub, 'n 'n sehr großer Teil ist, also ich glaub, über die Hälfte ist es nicht so des EU Haushaltes, sind Agrarsubventionen und wird dann da wieder son bisschen verteilt. Und bei Geldauflagen ist es tatsächlich so im deutschen Recht zumindest, dann kann auch der Richter irgendwie anordnen, dass das wo besonders hinfließen muss, ne. Also wenn Du jetzt, weiß nicht, Prozess wird eingestellt gegen Geldauflage, weil weiß ich nicht, Dave hat wieder irgendwas verbrochen und dann kann er sagen, okay, Dave, Du zahlst das jetzt nicht an die Staatskasse, sondern an Gemeinnützüge Gemeinnützüge Einrichtungen, genau, irgendwie, die da vielleicht mit dem Kurs auch irgendwie verbunden ist, so. Mhm. Das nur als kleiner Diskurs. Nicht schlecht. Hat nicht funktioniert. Aber war trotz, krank recht recht okay. Yes. Das war jetzt schon dein Thema, Dennis oder was? Ja, gut, ja, ich bin ja leider. Richtig geil. Also genau, hier scheiß amerikanische Konzerne. Gut, dass die EU was dagegen macht. Ist das gut? Ist das 'n Statement, oder? Also ehrlicherweise hat das ja in dem Fall wenig damit zu tun, dass sind amerikanische Konzerne sind. Ja, keine Ahnung, wann nicht Na gut. Aber also, die mussten jetzt dieses Geld zahlen, aber mussten sie auch in dieser Praxis irgendwas ändern? Also hat das nachhaltig irgendwie Nee, nee. Das war doch wie bisher. Ich glaub, das ist vorher schon passiert. Ach so, okay. Ja, das ist nicht mehr ganz so machen, nicht mehr so. Ich bin die letzten paar Jahre bei Android gefühlt son bisschen raus. Boah, ich bin ich war noch nie bei Android drin. Ist mir aufgefallen. Ich hatte noch nie ein Android Handy. Nicht meine Hand, glaub ich. Ja, Lüge, aber also schon sehr wenig Kontakt. Ja. Ja. Dave baut Mobile Games, ohne Android zu kennen. Das ist auch nicht so wichtig. So, Cross Plattform Sachen. Brauchen wir das eigentlich an. Juppedad, Juppedad. Ja. Okay, dann mach ich mal weiter. Auch hier geht's son bisschen gegen das, was große amerikanische Konzerne grade so Verbrechen. Und zwar geht es natürlich AI und wie es uns alle ruiniert beziehungsweise wie es Open Source ruiniert. Und da gab es in den letzten 2 Wochen 2 ganz interessante Punkte bei großen oder kleineren Open Source Projekten. Das eine war eine 1 Issue, die aufgemacht wurde bei dem TL Draw Projekt. Ich weiß nicht, wer von euch das kennt, was son bisschen wie, was ist auch son bekannter Variation Ja, ColyDraw. CallyDraw, genau. Was ist immer sone? Jan, was was ist noch mal der der Spruch von denen, wenn Du 'n Tab darauf hast, versteht noch mal deine Leiste? Bei CLDraw, meinst Du? Ja, CLDraw hat das doch. War das nicht so the the Very best, Very good Free Whiteboard ist das, genau, wenn das aufmachen. Ja, aber das ist halt wirklich das. Ein 1 gutes Marketing. Ja, also man muss das von, ja. Da das halt auch ein Open Source Projekt und die haben ein 1 Issue aufgemacht, in der es darum ging, die komplette Testsuite aus dem offenen Repository in ein geschlossenes Repository zu bewegen. Und zwar war der Hintergrund eben, dass wir das jetzt ja schon 'n paarmal bei größeren Projekten gesehen haben, dass jemand daherkommt, sich quasi die Testsuite nimmt und dann mithilfe von der Air so lange quasi ein Vergleichs-, Konkurrenz Nachbauprodukt baut, bis eben all diese Tests wieder befriedigt sind und dann sagt, na ja, dementsprechend, man darf hier nicht befriedigt sagen, ohne Dave zu trinken. Sorry. Aber wenn die Testsuite quasi durchläuft, dann ist unser gewweibe, coatedes, slop Fork, wie auch immer Produkt quasi genauso gut wie das Original und danke für die Mitarbeit. Und das wollten Sie eben an der Stelle verhindern. Das hat auf GitHub sone etwas größere Diskussion darüber ausgelöst, so, ist das sinnvoll? Lohnt sich das überhaupt? Ist der Test tatsächlich das Ausschlaggebende? Also ne, inwieweit ist sone Maßnahme irgendwie sinnvoll? Und da hat's dann so die Diskussion son bisschen darum gedreht, bis der Issue Author dann nach 'n paar Tagen, Kommentaren, wie auch immer ankam. Der, ja, das war ja alles gar nicht so ernst gemeint und er wollte nur mal hier sone Diskussion lostreten und danke fürs Gespräch. Er lässt jetzt diese Issue immer offen, damit er noch 'n bisschen weiter diskutiert werden kann, aber es war nie wirklich im Absicht von THE ADR, das das wirklich, in Anführungszeichen, wirklich durchzuziehen. Das heißt, ich bin weiterhin drin? Ja. Ah, okay. Und also er sagt auch ganz realistisch, er gibt am Ende noch mal sone Summary und die ist schon auch lesenswert. Sagt, na ja, also die Tests rauszunehmen und den Quelltext halt öffentlich zu lassen, ist halt auch nur bedingt sinnvoll, weil dann gibst Du halt immer noch viel her, ja. Die Testsuite ist ja außerdem aus dem fertigen Produkt auch reproduzierbar. Also ich kann mir auch einfach das Produkt nehmen und selbst wenn ich den Quelltext nicht kopieren will, sagen, schreib mir halt erst mal eine Testsuite dagegen und dann nehme ich die Testsuite so raus, ja. Er hat auch irgendwie zugegeben, dass dieses Aufspitten von Produkt und Testsuite halt auch vollkommen unpraktikabel wär an jeglicher Stelle. Also es würde sie langsamer machen, es würde das Ganze den ganzen CIron instabiler machen und so weiter und so fort, was ich auch alles unterschreiben würde. Und ja, aber man sieht tatsächlich einfach an den an den Kommentaren und Reactions, die's an diesem ganzen Thread so gab, dass die die Gefahr, die sie sehen, halt schon nicht von der Hand zu weisen ist irgendwie, ja. Und dann die Leute halt im Prinzip sich nur darin unterscheiden, ob sie halt sagen so, ne, ist halt AI Schulterzucken muss man so nehmen, wie man will. Oder ob man halt son bisschen die reaktionäre Ecke fällt und sagt so, wir müssen uns aber irgendwie dagegen wehren, so. Mhm. Hast hast hast Du hast da irgendwie so eine Ahnung, was so das Meinungsbild in den Kommentaren war? Also Großteil dagegen, Großteil so, na ja, ist halt so. Sehen wir's, was da so im im Kopf geblieben ist aus den Also selbst die Leute, die gesagt haben, man müsste sich irgendwie gegen AI verteidigen, haben jetzt auch gesagt, die Testsuite zu verstecken, ist wahrscheinlich nicht der Schlüssel dazu. So, ja, aus den grade genannten Punkten schon. Und die Frage ist dann eher, schafft man das mit 'nem Ding? Schafft man das mit mit anderen Guidelines? Und es gab halt auch Stimmen, die gesagt haben, also ehrlicherweise liegt das wahrscheinlich auch nicht an T-Adraw, dieses Problem zu lösen. Ja. So, ja, sondern da gibt's ja auch viel größere Projekte, die 'n viel größeres Incentive vielleicht daran haben. Und ja, und das führt uns vielleicht direkt zum nächsten Projekt, was sich in den letzten 2 Wochen mit AI beschäftigt hat, nämlich Goddeaux. Goddeaux, eine Game Engine und das ist so ziemlich genau alles, was ich darüber weiß. Eine der wenigen populären Kostenlosen, würde ich sagen. Also man kennt ja Also die große Welt laufenden, ne, weil Du kannst ja auch diese anderen kostenlos benutzen, aber Ach so, ja, ja, stimmt, genau, true, true, genau, genau, weil sonst können wir ja und Unreal Engine so. Und das sind so die großen, für die man natürlich irgendwann eine Lizenz zahlen muss, wenn Du eine gewisse Größe hast und glaub, gut aus, komplett kostenlos und halt auch einsehbar, genau. Wir haben noch nie was mit Kodooz gemacht, oder? Frag ich mich hier so in die Aber Aber Aber aber sind wir dabei, ja. Ich glaub, es ist eine Evaluierungsphase oder so. Ja. Na ja, dann ist ja das vielleicht tatsächlich noch relevanter für uns hier, was da jetzt grade kommt. Und zwar hat sich auch Godot damit beschäftigt, so wie gehen wir mit AI und wie viele andere Open Source Projekte leiden sie natürlich unter der Menge an AI generierten Pull Requests, die son bisschen über sie einbricht und haben dementsprechend eine sehr, sehr explizite Policy aufgestellt, wie sie in Zukunft damit umgehen wollen. Bevor wir auf die einzelnen Verbote oder Policy Regeln kommen, es gab einen Absatz in dem Blogpostinsel zu veröffentlichen haben, den ich eigentlich ganz cool fand, wo ich gesagt hab, na ja, PRs zu Reviewen, insbesondere PRs von Leuten, die halt nicht zum Core Team oder zu den bekannten Maintenern und Contributtern gehören, war halt schon immer viel Arbeit. Aber sie haben sich das quasi bisher schön geredet oder zumindest das Gefühl gehabt, dass es sich lohnt, weil Du bringst halt Leuten was bei und 'n Teil der Leute wird vielleicht oder zu dem Projekt und es ist halt son Investment in die Community, ja, wenn Du halt Leuten erklärst, so, hey, nein, so funktioniert unsere Architektur nicht und mach das doch bitte eher so und andersrum und Und haben halt schon das Gefühl, dass bei AI generierten Pull Requests, wo Du am Ende halt nur mit sonem Bot sprichst und der der GitHub User, der da vermeintlich hinten dran steht, halt da gar nicht mehr irgendwie im Loop ist, dass halt alles son bisschen verschenkte Arbeit ist, ja, weil sich ja da kein permanentes Wissen irgendwie aufbaut. Also diese Tools auch einfach noch nicht so weit sind, ne. Rein theoretisch könnte man ja sagen, na ja, solange diese Diskussion öffentlich auf GitHub geführt wird, könnte die ja schon auch zurückfließen, ja. Der Nächste, der 'n Pull Request aufmacht, kann sich die vorherigen Pull Requests angucken und könnte quasi auch daraus lernen, aber das passiert ja aktuell de facto so noch nicht und dementsprechend sagen sie, okay, das das lohnt sich halt einfach nicht für uns an der Stelle. So, das fand ich mal 'n ganz ehrlichen Take, wollte ich deshalb auch erwähnen und jetzt können wir ganz kurz so die die sehr expliziten Regeln durchgehen, die Sie so gesagt haben. So, also keine AI Agents und kein Vipe recodetes Zeug. Wenn rauskommt, dass dein Pull Request da quasi nur hingehweibt ist und Du da nicht selber deine Hände mit im Spiel hattest, kriegst Du direkt 'n Autobahn aus dem Repository und das war's dann so für dich. Wenn deine AI contributed zu deinem Pull Request, dann solltest Du sehr genau ausführen, welche Teile AI generiert sind und vielleicht auch warum und warum Du glaubst, dass das unproblematisch ist so, ja. Da kann ich mir schon vorstellen, ne, Also wie gesagt, ich kenn Goodol jetzt nicht von innen, aber wenn man so an andere Projekte und Frameworks denkt, wenn da jetzt so DTOs erzeugt werden oder so was, wo man sagt, okay, das sind halt irgendwie leere Klassen mit 'n paar Filz und Properties drin, die musst Du nicht alle von Hand schreiben. Sobiert, ja. Und es darf kein AI generierter Text in der Kommunikation verwendet werden. Also das heißt, die die Diskussion, die muss tatsächlich zwischen Menschen stattfinden und darf nicht quasi ein Goodoo Maintainer mit deinem Bot nur irgendwie sein. Und am Ende, das ist quasi so die einzige Regel, die sie sich selbst auferlegen so, versprechen sie quasi im Gegenzug, dass sie alle purequests und Reviews halt auch von Menschen approven lassen. Was nicht, wenn man das ganz genau liest, was nicht heißt, dass es keine AI contributions dazu geben kann, ne. Also man kann ja automatische Checks oder so was von mit AI machen, aber am Ende muss die Entscheidung quasi von 'nem Menschen getroffen werden. So. Human in the Loop bei Godot vielleicht. Noch. Ja, also Wie hast Du Dennis, ich muss den Dennis ja heute spielen. Auch dazu gab's so, er gab's son paar interessante Reaktionen dann in der in der Diskussion und natürlich wurde auch darauf hingewiesen, dass der AI schon an anderer Stellen genutzt wird. Aber ich glaub, auch da geht's son bisschen die Frage der Verhältnismäßigkeit am Ende, So und jetzt weiß ich nicht, wen ich dir angucken muss, den Dave Dennis oder den Dennis Dave, wer will jetzt hier den den AI Gegen take oder den Supermarkt machen? Nicht schlecht, Dave. Weh. 2 2 Dinge eigentlich, glaube ich. Also erstens, ich kann es erst mal so die Initialreaktion kann ich verstehen. So, wenn Du son Repository hast und ne, jeder fühlt sich jetzt enable da reinzupushen und Du kriegst da wirst einfach nicht mehr her, so der der Pull Request und so, die da passieren. Kann ich verstehen, dass man das begrenzen muss in irgend 'ner Art und Weise. Und auf der anderen Seite frage ich mich halt, wie lange das der Zustand ist so. Ich mein, das ist ja, ja, das ist ja die Prämisse dahinter ist ja irgendwie, dass AI, also warum passiert das? Weil halt irgendwie halb schlaue Leute denken, ah, ich mach da was und da irgendwie was, ne, irgendwas committen so. Das ist ja jetzt nicht, weil jemand, der irgendwie sich mit dem Projekt auskennt oder was weiß ich, mit dem Projekt auskennt, aber irgendwie das vernünftig vernünftig in den Kontext bringt und so weiter, der sich damit beschäftigt hat, was man irgendwie erwarten würde und und da in einen Trade Quest stellt. Aber trotzdem ist ja unter der Prämisse, dass AI das nicht so gut kann wie ein 1 Jungen und so. Und daran glaube ich halt mittelfristig nicht. Und dann ist ja nur die Frage, wo diese Schwelle ist, wo das dann irgendwann halt umschwappt und wo man das dann vielleicht nicht mehr braucht. Und ich sehe auch noch nicht, ja, also ne, vielleicht musst Du dann diese Regeln halt noch außenrum bisschen auch da wieder einfach straffer machen und sagen, hey, das sind die Dinge und da ist jetzt in deinem ganzen Workflow und so was, auf die Sachen müssen wir achten bei Go Do aus 'ner Architekturellen Sicht, das Projekt in die Richtung zu entwickeln, die wir es wollen. Also Du musst ja irgendwie 'n bisschen was vorgeben, weil sonst kann ja 1 anfangen daraus eine, was weiß ich, irgendwas, was halt keine Game Engine ist zu machen, weil der denkt das irgendwie smart oder so. Na ja, also irgend eine Idee muss der da dran haben. Aber ja, mittelfristig und vielleicht auch kurzfristig ist AI, wird eher in der Lage sein, da zu contributen in 'nem sinnvollen, in 'ner sinnvollen Art und Weise. Mhm. Also ich glaube, es geht gar nicht so sehr Qualität. Hat irgendeiner von euch schon mal 'n Open Source Repository gewartet, verwaltet, geount, wie auch immer, irgendwas? Die Programmiererwebsite. Ich hab ich hab mal 'n Podcastfest erstellt und der wurd abgelehnt. Also für für Jumler Jumler. Als erzähl man, der das schon mal machen durfte, ja, ganz häufig gehen ja diese Diskussionen nicht Qualität so, ja? Weil Qualität ist ja mittlerweile doch auch ein 1 sehr messbares Ding, ja. Du kannst sagen, hast Du irgendwie Codecoverage und hältst Du dich an unsere Guidelines und hast Du alles nicht gesehen, sondern ganz oft geht es diesen Punkt, ne, Dennis, wie Du auch grade gesagt hast so, ist das das, was wir mit diesem Projekt halt überhaupt erreichen wollen? Ja, fällt das in unseren Scope oder weiß ich, ich kann mir vorstellen, bei Goddot kann ja vielleicht auch die Antwort sein, das wollen wir nicht im Chor, vielleicht musst Du son Plug in dafür schreiben. So und hier ist so das Getting Startet für deinen für deinen Plug in, da kannst Du dich mal 'n bisschen beschäftigen. Und das ist, glaube ich, 'n Teil, der kann so nicht von AI bedient werden. Ja. Oh, hi. Weil na ja, weil die diese Diskussion, was wollen wir mit dem Projekt, ja auch ganz oft eine Lebendige ist. So, da müssen dann Leute aus dem Core Team irgendwie darüber diskutieren, Ja. Wollen wir das, wollen wir das nicht? Und manchmal ist ja auch son PR, wo man erst denkt, das gehört da nicht rein. Manchmal lassen sich auch Leute irgendwie überzeugen. Ich kann schon verstehen, dass die Leute nicht in in dieser Diskussion das Gefühl haben wollen, da mit 'ner Maschine zu sprechen, sondern ihre Philosophie für das Projekt halt schon mit mit jemand anderem diskutieren wollen soll, ne. Ja, aber für mich wär der Weg vorwärts halt irgendwie genau das zu dokumentieren, was dieser Weg sein soll, weil dann kannst Du ja auch Schranken einbauen, dass der AI die ganzen Pull Request erst mal ablehnt, Ja. Wenn sie halt nicht dem gemeinsamen Ziel irgendwie voranbringen. Also ich glaube, da fehlt halt einfach dann das das Außen rum, das zu ermöglichen, was ja auch in der Theorie auch zu 'ner schnelleren Entwicklung von Goluloğan führen wird, ne. Also wenn's auch Geschwindigkeit und Weiterentwicklung geht so, wirst Du mit der ja einfach andere Möglichkeiten haben, als wenn es nur nur Menschen machen und dann musst Du dich vielleicht eher damit beschäftigen, so, wie können wir denn die Rahmenbedingungen schaffen, dass klar ist, was was gewollt ist und was nicht gewollt ist, weil dann kann sich AI auch daran halten. Das ist sicherlich auch richtig, ja. Also ich glaub auch schon, dass 'n Teil der Antwort sein muss, so bessere Triage zu machen, bestimmt auch AI gestützt zu sagen, das sind einfach eine Art von Pull Requests hier ganz viele, die wir nicht haben wollen, ja. Und ich glaub aber auch, dass 'n 'n Teil der Schuld quasi bei den AI Nutzerinnen ist, die vielleicht auch einfach nicht so überqualifiziert an die Sache rangehen. Ja. Ja, und dann einfach sobald bei ihnen in Goddot halt irgendwas nicht funktioniert, ihrem Agent sagen, hey, sag doch mal in diesem Bescheid, dass sie halt irgendwas Murks ist. Ja. Wo vielleicht bei zweiten oder drittensem Hinsehen dieser Pull Recfest einfach überhaupt gar nicht notwendig wäre. Deswegen habe ich hier gesagt, kann ich das erst mal nachvollziehen, so, ne. Ich mein, Du sitzt da irgendwie und kriegst den ganzen Müll und weiß nicht, was Du damit anfangen sollst, Ja. Aber ich glaube, meine Richtung, wenn ich die zeitlichen Kapazitäten dazu hätte, wären halt eher da proaktiv in die Zukunft zu blicken und nicht das einzuschränken, sondern eher zu sagen, okay, wie nutze ich beispielsweise AI, den ganzen Herr zu werden? Weil weil das ist, also ich find, das ist der relevante Punkt irgendwie, der mir auch aufgefallen ist. Also es ist ja nicht das 1. Mal, dass wir genau über so was reden, ne. Wir haben über SEK geredet, über RUS haben wir geredet. Dann noch hier jemand, der auch innen ja die die Codebasis von dem Open Source Projekt einfach eine Prompt Injection eingebaut hat und so was alles, ne. Und das sind ja alles so Maßnahmen, einfach so gegen AI zu sein, so ne. Wir wollen das nicht so. Wir arbeiten nicht mit AI, sondern wir wir bannen das jetzt. Und mir fehlt irgendwie so aktuell son bisschen dieser Lösungsansatz zu sagen, Aha, okay. Hey, okay, wir wir wir integrieren das so. Komm, ah, geh, bann, ja. Aber so wie wie Dennis gesagt hat, ne irgendwie so eine 1 Infrastruktur drumherum zu schaffen, so dass vielleicht auch viel von dem erst mal gesichtet wird durch eine AI. Eine AI sagt, hey, das ist so unproblematisch, das passt auch zur Vision des Produktes. Komm, das geht einfach so rein, das ist so klein, das passt so schlimm. Und irgendwas, was sie nicht bewerten kann, so, hey, ich glaub, das solltet ihr Mantasiner euch mal anschauen so, weil das irgendwie eine 1 andere Richtung einschlägt, ob das irgendwie gewünscht ist oder nicht. Und da kann dann durchaus eine Diskussion entstehen. Aber das find ich grad irgendwie son bisschen schade, diesen Open Source Base, so, dass da nicht so dieses, wie Dennis gesagt, so proaktiv in die Zukunft geschaut wird, sondern erst mal so, okay, wir können wir können nicht her über die Lage werden so, wir wir gehen eher in den Verteidigungsmodus. Ja, und auch das kann ich teilweise halt irgendwie nachvollziehen, ne. Ich mein, wir weiß nicht, wann die Folge mit Fabian Hiller live gehen soll. Ja, wollt ich auch gleich noch zu erzählen, ne. Da ich nur ja auch 'n bisschen drüber, ne, der ja mit Wallibot und Vormish so relativ große Open Source Projekte auch betreibt so. Mhm. Ne, und also wir auch gesagt haben, ja gut, was ist so auch die Motivation, ne? Ruhm und Ehre ist so ein Teil davon einfach, ne, im im Open Source Base natürlich auch und einfach irgendwo so, ne, sein Wissen teilen und sich freuen, wenn das irgendwie anderen hilft und eingesetzt wird. Aber auch, ja, wo wird sich das so hinschieben, ne? Was davon wirst Du noch brauchen, so, ne? Ja. Was davon wird sowieso on the fly erstellt, so und geht's nicht dann eher und das ist ja eigentlich und ich vermute mal, würde mein Geld darauf setzen, so wie der in der Entwicklung bei uns das aktuell auch so ist, dass es sich eher verschiebt von, ne, wie können wir die Infrastruktur bereitstellen? Wie können wir die ganzen das ganze das ganze Set-up so machen, dass wir AI gut nutzen können? Das wird in den anderen, das wird in dem Open Source Bereich auch so sein. Dann werden halt die Tools eher deine AI sein und deine Genau. Ne, wie wie kann AI mit irgendwas umgehen Ja. Als jetzt das das eine Feature in der in ein Gamemine. Mhm. Mit so 2 Schritten mehr Abstand ist das vielleicht auch wieder einfach 'n gutes Beispiel dafür, dass die Beschleunigung, die an vielen Stellen durch AI halt grade ermöglicht wird, einfach aufzeigt, was vorher schon gefehlt hat so, ja. Also wenn Dennis zurecht sagt, so na ja, wenn sich ganz viele dieser PRs irgendwie Sachen drehen, die nicht in Goddot reingehören, dann lag da vielleicht schon vorher immer der Fehler. Es war halt nur nicht schlimm genug in Anführungszeichen, als dass es das wert war, das mal ordentlich aufzuschreiben oder 'n Mechanismus dafür zu finden, das halt irgendwie besser einzudämmen, aber mit AI wird's halt krasser sein. Ich wollte noch, weil Dennis grade die Folge mit Fabian angesprochen hat, die in 'nem Monat ungefähr rauskommt, da war er 1 meiner, wie ich erzählt hab, Open Source zu nutzen, nein, AI zu nutzen, Open Source Pakete oder Apps, die ich verwende Mit der Urlaub zu überscannen. Zu scannen. Na, zu zu scannen so tatsächlich, ne, so, hey, hier dieses Tool ist das safe, mach das, was es verspricht und Ja. Irgendwie wie wie funktioniert das intern überhaupt. Mhm. Und da hab ich tatsächlich gestern das das auch wieder gemacht, so und dann hat er gesagt, ja, das tut es eigentlich ganz cool, aber das macht so eine Sache son bisschen falsch und das könnte security mäßig schwierig werden. So, will da jetzt keine Namen nennen, kann man auch auf, wenn man mein Gitterprofil findet, kann man das schon irgendwie rausfinden, wo ich darum kommentiert hab dann. Und da hab ich tatsächlich zurückgegangen in dieses Repository und war dann auch ganz kurz so überlegt, okay, paste jetzt hier einfach meine meine AI Diskussion rein so, ja, und sag so, guck mal hier, wir haben hier was gefunden, was irgendwie uncool ist. Und ich hab mir da tatsächlich die Mühe gemacht, das halt selber noch mal son bisschen zu formulieren, selber noch mal son bisschen Research zu betreiben, irgendwie Quellen zu finden, wo ich den den Mantermin sagen kann, guck mal hier, deshalb ist es halt nicht Best Practice, sondern schau dir das vielleicht noch mal so und so an. Und das war für mich aber auch sone sone gefühlte Gratwanderung halt, ja, weil man gerade halt nicht weiß, wie wird das so angenommen, ne? Das war eine App, die in in in SWIFT geschrieben ist. Ich hab keine Ahnung oder nicht nennenswert Ahnung von SWIFT, ja? Ich lebe mich da auch sehr weit ausm Fenster, wenn ich dem jetzt irgendwie erzählen will, wie er das dort zu machen hat, auch wenn ich das zugrundeliegende Problem irgendwie auf 'nem Meta Level verstehe. Und aber die waren tatsächlich dann sehr empfänglich dafür. Die haben sich bedankt und haben gesagt, so, okay, das fixen wir in der nächsten Version. So, schauen wir mal, ob die nächste Version das dann auch wirklich fixiert. Ach, ja. Aber guck mal, das ist auch son Positivbeispiel dann davon von der Interaktion. Ja, aber weil ich halt, also weil ich halt auch noch son bisschen Zeit, genau, weil ich noch was reininvestiert hab. Und ich glaube, dass, wenn man das im Moment noch so macht, dann ist es wahrscheinlich auch gangbar. Also mich würd's ja, wenn Du dich jetzt der andere Fall interessieren magst, Du wärst nicht die Extraschritte gegangen, ob das aber zum selben Resultat geführt hätte so irgendwie Ja, also dann Dave, verwende doch bitte deinen GitHub Videos anhaben. Ja. Irgendwo das mal anderweitig zu. Probieren. Schade. Gut. Bevor Du von GitHub gebannt warst, oh nein, ist gar nicht auf GitHub, ja, ist mit Journey auf GitHub. Ich hab keine Ahnung, was die da so alles treiben. Aber erzähl uns doch mal, warum das vielleicht einfach komplett egal ist, weil die jetzt was ganz anderes Ja. Das ist ja Und ob Du auch gedacht hast, dass das son Late April Fools Day Joke ist, wie ich, als ich das gelesen hab. Genau, genau. Also es war alles interessant, als ich das gepostet hab und gesagt, hey, ich werd darüber sprechen über Midjourney. Da hat Jan auch genauso reagiert, so hä, haben die vergessen, dass April nicht im Juni ist, hä, was soll das? Aber tatsächlich, als ich den den Beitrag son bisschen gelesen hab, dacht ich mir, es ergibt schon 'n bisschen Sinn, aber dazu kommen wir gleich, denn also was ist eigentlich erst mal passiert? Midjourney kennt man vielleicht. Ist 'n AI Unternehmen mit dem auch mit 'nem Tool mit demselben Namen, Midjourney. Und ich glaub, primär zuerst auf Discord und mittlerweile haben die aber, glaub ich, auch eine Weboberfläche. Geht einfach darum, Generation, ne. Also Du sagst irgendwas, hey, zeig mir den Pubs aufm Skateboard mit 'ner coolen Sonnenbrille. Zack, Bam, wird das Bild generiert. Gefühlt so von außen, ohne drin zu sein, am Anfang eine der der großen Toolsgebürsen, so, die immer im Bass waren und immer gehypt waren, was heute nicht mehr so ist. Ist das so? Ich weiß gar nicht, wer ganz vorne dabei ist tatsächlich bei Imagegeneration, aber wahrscheinlich auch die ganz großen Player. Na, auf jeden Fall fand ich's interessant, wusste ich auch nicht, Midjourney ist tatsächlich komplett zu 100 Prozent profitabel. Die sind auch 0 Prozent irgendwie fremdfinanziert, also kein Venturecapital steckt dahinter und die machen halt gut Umsatz. Fand ich interessant. Hört man ja in diesem AI Space sehr selten irgendwie. Mhm. Und die haben gesagt so, na ja okay, jetzt also der der Laden läuft ja so. Wir wollen jetzt was Sinnvolles für die Menschheit machen und wir steigen jetzt ein in den Gesundheitssektor und haben jetzt Midjourney Medical gegründet. Denkt man sich jetzt mal, okay, hä, crazy, wie kommst Du von soner AI Generation von Images jetzt auf irgendwie den Gesundheitssektor? Sie haben gesagt, das Ziel von dem Unternehmen soll sein, dass Sie ein medizinisches Bildgebungsgerät erschaffen. Und zwar haben Sie das genannt mit dem Akronym Fakt. Fakt, genau. Steht ausgeschriefen für Full Body, Full Body, Ultrasonic, ja? Also hat man wahrscheinlich schon irgendwie, sag mal, Tomographie. Sagt euch sicherlich etwas. Ganz genau, Dave, richtig. Genau, wo die gesagt haben, so diese Bildgebung soll vor allem sehr schnell sein, günstig und einfach verfügbar, ne. Also ich glaub, hier müssen wir kurz 'n Exkurs in son bisschen Physik machen. Also was gibt's denn für andere Bildgebungsgeräte, die man so kennt? Vielleicht erst mal das Wort Bildgebung erklären. Bildgebung, genau. Du hast 'n Körper und Du hast ja auch Organe in deinem Körper und Du hast auch Muskeln und Ekel. Oder sonst. Ekel. Genau. Ja. Und da Du möchtest ja teilweise so, oh, hat der Dennis vielleicht irgendwie 'n Schaden im Gehirn, dass der ganze Zeit so komische Geräusche macht? Ah. Da müssen wir mal jetzt, glaub ich, ein MRT machen. MRT schon mal gehört, ne? Magnetresonanztomographie, genau, Bildgebung und dann hast Du son Bild von deinem Gehirn. So. MRT funktioniert sehr gut. Problem, es dauert ewig, ne. Also ich weiß nicht, ob ihr das kennt, ich hatte ja wegen meiner Schulter Eckgelenksprengung Anfang des Jahres musste ich in son MRT. Das ist wahnsinnig gruselig. So, Du kommst in sone richtig enge Röhre, die hat, glaub ich, 'n Durchmesser von so 60, 70 Zentimeter, 6, 7. Und Du und Und Du fand's nicht so schlimm. Aber war heiter. Genau, aber warst Du auch komplett drin mit deinem Kopf und so? Oder hat's das irgendwo unten am Bein? Weil dann kommt son, da kommt's andersrum rein. Also ich war ja komplett in dieser Röhre drin. Ja. Und deswegen ist, ich also ich hab keine Clostrophobie, aber es ist halt echt krass, wie eng das da alles ist. Und dann hörst Du halt, also hörst Du Kopfhörer auf und dann ist diese Maschine, die klackert unendlich laut und nicht rum, weil dieser Magnet sich halt irgendwie ausrechnen muss, Radiowellen sendet, dann deine Wassermoleküle verschieben sich und so und dann am Ende hast Du halt 'n Bild. Und ich war da mit meiner Schulter irgendwie 20, 25 Minuten drin. Wenn Du aber das für den gesamten Körper machst, bist Du schon eine Stunde drin. Also das ist schon, also es dauert ewig. Was es dann noch gibt, ist das CT, das ist die Computertomografie. Habt ihr auch wahrscheinlich schon mal gehört. Die arbeitet mit Röntgenstrahlung und ihr wisst, Röntgenstrahlung, Radioaktivität, nicht gut. Also geht halt deutlich schneller, da bist Du halt eher bei so was wie 10 bis 20 Minuten in der Zeit, aber halt Du kriegst halt eine Strahlenbelastung, die gar nicht mal unerheblich ist dann in der Zeit ab, ne. Ist immer son bisschen abwägen, ob man das macht oder nicht. Du hast ja schon bei einem CT hast Du quasi, wir haben ja eine Grundstrahlenbelastung, die wir ja hier in Deutschland einfach haben und die hast Du im CT einfach während 1 CTs. Aber warum 20, 30 Minuten? 10 bis 20 hab ich gesagt. Ja, in 'nem reingehen, zack. Ja, aber Du weil es mehrere Schichten sind und Du willst Ach, genau. CT. CT zurück. Genau, genau. Also es ist kein nicht normales mit den anderen. Genau. So und jetzt hab ich ja gesagt, FUCT, ne, also Fakt, genau, Ultrasonic, ne, Ultraschall. Ultraschall kennt ihr. Genau und Ultraschall ist super unschädlich für uns. Und Babys, mal gucken. Kann mal 'n Babys gucken, das ist auch relevant für gleich. Wie wie also wie stellen Sie sich jetzt vor mit Journey, dass Sie das halt im medizinischen Kontext dann benutzen? Und zwar haben die gesagt so, okay, wir wollen erst mal nicht, dass Du in irgendwas eine medizinische Einrichtung gehst, sondern die haben gesagt, wir wollen einen Spar errichten. Das wollen sie auch in San Francisco tatsächlich bauen. Und Du hast dann wirklich so, Du kannst da halt Den Supermarkt? Spar? Spar, genau, der Spar. Da können Du bist ja eigentlich in Deutschland? Ich muss das ganz kurz unterbrechen, weil also an dieser Stelle muss jeder mal ganz kurz mit Germany Medical googeln und diese Bilder von diesem Spa, was sie da machen wollen, angucken, weil das sieht genauso aus, wie sich Midjourney wahrscheinlich in seinen wildesten Träumen son Future Hightech Spa irgendwie ausdenken würde, ja? Und Sie stellen's dahin so mit voller Ernsthaftigkeit, ja, genauso wollen wir das. Genauso wird das aussehen. Aber ja, das ist auch geil. Also es ist komplett auch AI generated, so dieses Video. Ja, auf jeden Fall. Ja, ja, auf jeden Fall. Also weil es wirklich geil so, weil das halt so so golden leuchtender Raum ist und so und dann stellst Du dich auf sone Plattform und wirst kommen sie in sone Röhre rein, also in eine größere Röhre, also keine Platzangst an der Stelle. Und da sind superviele Ultraschallsensoren, also Zigtausende. Und diese Ultraschallsensoren, die ballern einfach ganz weit auf dich und Ballalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalal ergibt dann ein Bild dann am Ende, ne. Und Du Du hast halt superviele Sensoren und aus diesen verschiedenen Wellen, die jetzt zurückgeworfen werden, kriegst Du dann halt sehr viele, sehr neu Sybuilder. Da hast Du irgendwie Terabyte von Daten pro Sekunde einfach an der Stelle. Und wenn man jetzt weiß, wie ja Midjourney funktioniert, ne, sehr viele neue Bilder, daraus ein kohärentes Bild zu generieren, genau das macht Midjourney, ne. Das sind ja diese Diffusionsmodelle, ne, wo wir dann halt irgendwie 1 1 1 digitales Rauschen haben. Es wird immer 'n bisschen feiner und feiner und feiner und irgendwann hast Du da dein Bild. Und genau das versuchen sie quasi mit diesen Millionen von Bildern, die dann halt da entstehen pro Sekunde, dann irgendwie einen Scan von deinem gesamten Körper zu machen. Und sie sagen halt, der große Vorteil ist, es hat keinen Impact auf dich, also gesundheitlich, es dauert nur 60 Sekunden und Du hast halt halt 'n Full Body Scan, ne. Das heißt also, sowohl von deinen Organen als auch von deinem von deiner Muskulatur, dein Fettgewebe, wie es da deine Knochendichte steht plus auch Organe hab ich gesagt, wahrscheinlich hab ich auch gar nicht schon gesagt, aber genau. Also alles relevant in deinem Körper und dann kannst Du direkt da wissen so, hey, so steht's meinen Körper. So weit der Ansatz. Ich glaub, Dennis guckt grade das Video und ist grade überzeugt. Weil die ist ja gar nicht mit dem Kopf unter Wasser gefahren. Na ja, ich glaub, das ist in dem Video noch nicht so, also also theoretisch musst Du auch mit dem Kopf wahrscheinlich drunter sein oder zumindest müssen die Sensoren dort sein. Also per se denk ich mir erst mal cool, ne, deswegen also nicht so abwegig. Du hast halt, wie gesagt, diese sehr neue Bilder, aus denen Du irgendwie dann 1 1 1 Bodyscan machen sollst. Aber natürlich gibt es bereits jetzt schon kritische Stimmen. Also Leute, die also Ahnung von Physik haben und den menschlichen Körper, die also die die die sagen die sagen nämlich auch so, na ja, also es hat ja auch 'n Grund, warum Du 'n Ultraschall nicht überall ansetzt, ne. Also wie jeder von uns hatte wahrscheinlich mal 'n Ultraschall, ne. Also es ist halt sehr, sehr gut für irgendwie Dinge, die nah an der Haut dran sind, ne. Also beispielsweise hier, Schilddrüse wird häufig gemacht, Nieren werden häufig gemacht. Nieren werden ja genau. Bei hier natürlich Kinder, die dann im im Mutterleib angeschaut werden. So, dafür ist das sehr gut, aber niemand macht 'n Ultraschall für fürs Gehirn oder so. Nie niemand untersucht dein Herz mit 'nem Ultraschall, so, weil das halt einfach nicht darauf ausgelegt ist. Und da sagen halt die ganzen kritischen Stimmen schon, na ja, also wie soll Ultraschall das machen? So, das durchdringt halt einfach nicht so weit deinen Körper und man kann kein richtiges Bild daraus erzeugen, wie's dann Ebenen tiefer dann ausschaut. Von daher ist wahrscheinlich das, woran Midjourney Medical jetzt erst mal dran ist, da irgendwie 'n Proof of Concept zu machen, so zu schauen, hey, kriegen wir's trotzdem hin? Müssen wir irgendwie die Ultraschallschraube noch mal krasser aufdrehen oder so was, dann wirklich noch mal stärkere Bilder zu generieren oder ist es halt einfach für die Katz am Ende? Aber irgendwie dachte ich mir, es klingt am Anfang sehr, sehr weird und ich geborene auch recht diese Reaktion so hä, was soll das jetzt so, Jan? Das ergibt zu 100 Prozent Sinn. Aber dann denke ich mir so, ach, okay, interessanter Ansatz, interessanter Engel, einfach mal das auf die Ebene zu nehmen. Also ich glaub, auf soner gewissen Ebene macht dieses, wenn Du bei jedem Spa Besuch, wo Du quasi dich in den Wollpool setzt, auch automatisch 'n 'n Ganzkörperbild von dir mitnehmen könntest, hat das natürlich schon irgendwie coole Side Effects, ne. Du kannst so Trends einfacher erfassen. Du kannst vielleicht son gewisse Diagnosen auch irgendwie am laufenden Band stellen, so. Alles cool. Aber diese diese Selbstverständlichkeit, wie sie so an dieses Thema rangehen, das ist einfach so, weiß nicht, das ist so Silicon Valley Add it's Corsa. Ja. Natürlich bauen wir son goldenes Spa und natürlich haben wir bis 20 28 50000 dieser Geräte im Einsatz Ja. Und werden hier irgendwie dein dein Medical Verständnis irgendwie revolutionieren und so. Ja. Das ist schon so. Ja. Ja, Matthias, weil Du weil Du grad weil Du grad 2028 gesagt hast, die Plan ist natürlich bis Ende 2027 so. Ja, den die den Einladen, aber auf der Webseite steht auch so bis 28. Wollen Sie die waren nur auf 5 Euro Die 5000 wollen Sie 31 haben. Haben. Ah, so. Ja, also dann dann dann schaffen Sie das, ja. Ja, das ist realistisch, ja. Aber ich muss sagen, was aber wie Du gesagt hast, ne, so dieses Silicon Valley Versprechen so oder generell auch in diesem AI Space ja auch so, ne, so oh, General, hier AGI wird wird es bald geben und so. Alle jagen Aberseits ist der 1. Satz, also Und das sich schon auch bewusst, dass Ja. Und das mag wenn wir so 'n bisschen crazy sein, Leute. 27 wieder in Kalifornien sein sollten, weil wir, weiß ich nicht, bei der Google I o vielleicht endlich mal eingeladen werden oder wieder bei der Cloud Next sind oder keine Ahnung. Und die haben dieses Ding schon auf, so, dann machen wir einen programmierbare Research Trip Ja. In das Mid Germany Spa und lassen uns da ultraschall mal Ja, Ja, weil das gibt's ja auch da Hot Tabs und so. Ja, also genau und und auch also so auch so Coldplanspart, keine Ahnung. Also alles, was man sonst ausm Spa kennt so. Das ist halt so. Ich hätt einmal kurz in den Genau. Sprühbody Scan. Ja. Becken. Verrückt. Schöner neue Welt. Verrückt. Wunderbar. Wenn ihr das nicht schafft, 20 27 nach Kalifornien zu reisen, da ins Bad zu gehen, dann haben wir noch einen kleinen Tipp für euch, der vielleicht viel näher liegt. Nämlich in Köln. Ah. Und ihr müsst auch nicht bis 20 27 warten, sondern ihr könnt am vierten September 20 26 zu den Azure Community Days, Azure Community Day ist, glaube ich, nur ein Tag, nach Köln fahren. Ich bin da drüber gestolpert, weil unsere ehemalige Podcastgast, Speaker AI und Engineering Culture und so was alles. Und ihr habt Julia bei uns schon 'n Podcast gehört, auf Meetup gesehen und ihr werdet sie auch bestimmt wieder auf der Programmierkonten sehen. Und wer so lange nicht warten kann, kann vorher jetzt schon mal nach Käufern. Es gibt 'n paar andere coole Talks. Ich hab mir mal die Agenda angeguckt. Es geht Desaster Recovery. Es gibt 'n coolen Talk von Roland Goller, den man immer zuhören kann, wenn man mal wieder 'n coolen Pep Talk braucht. Und von daher, vielleicht sieht man sich dann im September da. Das noch als kleiner Servicehinweis am Ende. Geil. Yes. Bist Du auch am Start, Dave? Ich sag mal, ein eindeutiges vielleicht. Ja, das ist sehr eindeutig. Wunderbar. Dann bleibt uns für diese Woche nichts anderes zu sagen als danke, dass ihr alle wieder hier am Start wart. Danke, dass ihr zu gehabt habt. Wenn ihr Fragen, Anregungen, Kritik und Feedback habt, dann immer gerne an Podcast at Programmier Punkt bar oder ihr hinterlasst einfach einen Sams up Sams Down in eurem Podcastplayer oder ihr hinterlasst ein Kommentar, Feedback, Rating auf der Plattform eurer Wahl und wir hören uns. Dann wieder nächste Woche. Bis deine Tschau. Bis auch schön mit euch. 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0: Hallo und herzlich willkommen zu 1 neuen Ausgabe der programmierbaren News heute in Kalenderwoche 28 und 20 26. Wir haben quasi die Hälfte schon geschafft. Ich weiß nicht, was Dennis grade mit seinen Handzeichen bewirken will. Ich ich glaube, okay. Aber ich hoffe, darauf hinweisen, dass nicht nur ich hier bin heute, sondern neben mir im Studio sitzen auch noch\n\nSpeaker 1: Dave AKA, David Krusitzky AKA der saftige Boy.\n\nSpeaker 2: Und Dennis Becker. Das bist Du, das bin ich.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ich merk jetzt Erde, dass ihr mich grade voll trollen wollt, weil ihr euren Namen vertauscht habt im Videofeed. War das mit sich oder irgendjemand nur sich an den falschen Platz gesetzt?\n\nSpeaker 1: Nee, ich glaub, Dennis hat das nicht ganz gerafft, wer wo sitzen soll und Ja. Hab ich zweimal umpositioniert und jetzt ist es falsch. Aber ist ja auch okay. Oh, ich fühl's auch heute bisschen, Dennis Becker zu sein. Und ich, wunderbar.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ich fühl\n\nSpeaker 1: die saftig.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ich fühl mich saftig.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ich stehe im Saft.\n\nSpeaker 0: Wir wollen heute nicht nur über Saftigkeit sprechen, sondern wir sprechen über Strafen der Europäischen Union gegen Google. Wir sprechen noch mal über das Thema AI versus Open Source und Dave hat den größten Plot Twist der AI Geschichte mitgebracht und will über Mitjournil sprechen. Da sind wir mal sehr gespannt.\n\nSpeaker 1: Boah. Und Richtiger Cliffhanger. Man muss auf jeden Fall bis zum Ende bleiben, weil das ist echt 'n richtig krasses Thema.\n\nSpeaker 2: Kommt vielleicht nicht am\n\nSpeaker 0: Ende, aber Ja.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ohne aus.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ach so, Ohr.\n\nSpeaker 0: Bevor wir ans Eingemachte gehen, haben wir noch ein bisschen Housekeeping zu veranstalten und zwar hab ich noch einmal 000. Ja. Was das können wir jetzt so als Jingle irgendwie rausschneiden und dann an jeder Stelle wieder einspielen. Nicht schlecht, Dave. Ach so, Dennis, dann wär doch den Transcriptchen Bot bitte nicht so.\n\nAch so, Momenten quasi alle ausverkauft sein.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja. Was sagt, Claudia sagt Mitte August. Oh. Warte. Ja.\n\nWas ist die Prediction, wann wir ausverkauft sind?\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, also Challenge an die Community ist einfach unsere AI Analyse, unseren AI AI irgendwie zu toppen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Nee oder grade Ja, genau. Zu toppen. Und so\n\nSpeaker 0: weitergeht, dann seid ihr im August ausverkauft und vielleicht schaffen wir das\n\nSpeaker 2: ja sogar noch schneller. Yes. Und der Hinweis, falls der Ticketpreis etwas sein sollte, was euch nicht leisten könnt, gibt es die Möglichkeit, dass ihr uns schreibt. Wer heißt das noch mal offiziell? Jan, Du kannst das besser.\n\nSpeaker 0: Wie heißt was offiziell?\n\nSpeaker 2: Haben wir nicht so hier Special Tickets?\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, Educational Ticket, keine so. Tickets im, genau, die Option gibt es nicht im Shop. Ja. Aber wie gesagt, wenn ihr mit dem Ticketpreis hadert, dann schreibt uns gerne eine E-Mail. Wir können da gerne Ausnahmen machen, wenn das notwendig ist, aber das gibt's wie gesagt nicht so im Shop, sondern müssen wir euch Dennis macht euch da 'n netten Couponcode Ja.\n\nUnd dann klappt das alles. Sally. Ja.\n\nSpeaker 2: Wunderbar. Ich finde, wir sollten zukünftig, auch wenn nur wenige uns in der Kamera sehen und die meisten nur auf den Ohren haben, aber immer die Programmierbar T-Shirts anziehen.\n\nSpeaker 0: Guck mal,\n\nSpeaker 2: das ist jeder\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, also ich weiß ja gar nicht, warum Du das sagst. Also ich hab auch immer 'n Programmier-T-Shirt an. Was hab ich denn an? Dennis.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ah, das ist eigentlich, ich glaub ich hab ich hab 'n Shirt von den von Roy Byanko und den Abruzati Boys an steht da drauf. Abruzati? Was ist das? Ja, das ist die erfolgreichste Italo Schlagerband aus den Achtzigerjahren, hatten lange Zeit eine Pause gehabt, haben jetzt wieder zusammengefunden und machen einfach den Italo Schlager in Deutschland wieder populär. Häufig begegnet man der der der ein oder anderen schönen Person im Schlagerstrudel.\n\nDas ist nicht 'n Moschpit, sondern Schlagerstrudel und da kann man sich auch ab und zu aus Versehen mal küssen. Es ist ganz schön und harmonisch.\n\nSpeaker 0: Okay. Ich wurde immer wieder erstaunt über Daves Bandbreite. Das\n\nSpeaker 1: Ah ja.\n\nSpeaker 0: Formulieren wir das mal so. Cool. Dann darf Dennis einsteigen mit dem ersten Thema und uns erzählen, wie die Europäische Union Google verknackt hat\n\nSpeaker 2: und warum überhaupt. Yes, geht vermutlich relativ schnell, aber irgendwie historisch haben wir hatten wir mal Phasen, wo wir viel mehr darüber gesprochen haben. Mhm. Vielleicht auch, weil's mehr passiert ist so, aber wir hatten irgendwie die ganze Zeit irgendwelche rechtlichen Auseinandersetzungen zwischen x und y und hast Du nicht gesehen. Und vielleicht haben wir da auch schon mal drüber gesprochen, weil letztendlich, glaube ich, vor fast 2 Jahren dieses oder dein erstes Urteil dazu beschlossen wurde, aber jetzt ist es noch mal bestätigt.\n\nVon daher gibt es jetzt kein Zurück und ist mit die oder ist die höchste Wettbewerbsstrafe, die die EU jemals verhängt hat und zwar gegen Google und die müssen ein Paket von 4100000000 Euro abdrücken an die EU und Was für\n\nSpeaker 1: Google wahrscheinlich nicht viel ist, oder?\n\nSpeaker 2: Ich weiß nicht. Also ich mein, wenn ich hier mal 'n paar Milliarden und da, also ja, irgendwo ist aber natürlich irgendwie auch die Grenze. Also 'n bisschen, nee, was heißt 'n bisschen? 4000000000 muss auch ein Google schmerzen,\n\nSpeaker 0: weil Ja, glaub ich auch.\n\nSpeaker 2: Mit 4000000000 kannst Du, überlegen mal, was Du mit 4000000000 machen kannst, so. Und wenn man jetzt mitbekommt, dass Google hier und da bei irgendwelchen Events auch schon 'n bisschen den Spar, nee, ist nicht der Sparhahn, wie nennt man das? Die Zange, die den Daumen schrauben, also 'n bisschen dreht daran, nicht mehr so viel Geld auszugeben. Ja. Mit 4000000000 könntest Du noch einige Events machen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Das stimmt. Ich hab ich hab grad mal nachgeschaut, das war 3 Prozent deren Nettogewinns 2025. Und das Ist schon weh.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, ist schon viel, ja. Okay. Für so. Na gut,\n\nSpeaker 2: ist rechtliches Thema. Genau und daraus\n\nSpeaker 0: vor allen Dingen ja auch was für für Also Sie kriegen ja nichts dafür. Weißt Du das ja nicht so, ob Sie 3 Prozent irgendwie investieren, was damit zu machen? Oder ist einfach weg.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, und andererseits kannst Du natürlich sagen, vielleicht haben sie auch ähnlich eine ähnlich hohe Summe rausbekommen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Genau, wollte ich grad sagen.\n\nSpeaker 2: Und zwar ging's im im Kern darum, dass es vorinstallierte Apps auf Android Handys ging. Also das heißt, wo ja irgendwie erst mal Android auf allen möglichen Geräten kostenlos zur Verfügung gestellt wird, war halt eine Einschränkung. Wenn dort Google Play Store verfügbar sein soll auf dem Gerät, dann müssen auch zwangsweise alle möglichen anderen Apps installiert sein, unter anderem Chrome und eben die Google Suche, also die großen, die den Umsatz treiben.\n\nSpeaker 1: Mhm.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ich mein, irgendwo ran wird sich ja das Gericht orientiert haben bei den 4 Jahren, ob das jetzt das Äquivalent ist, was sie denken, was sie damit eingenommen haben oder anderen nicht ermöglicht haben. Weiß ich nicht genau. Aber ja, anyway, greift da weiter durch und genau, müssen wir jetzt final bezahlen. Und wie ist das dann? Das weiß jetzt jeder keiner, da hätte man auch vorher recherchieren können.\n\nWie würdest Du jetzt in der EU aufgeteilt? Wo kommt dieser Pod jetzt hin\n\nSpeaker 1: bei soner Staat?\n\nSpeaker 0: Das das kann ich dir sagen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Alter, ach stimmt. Boah, das wissen das eigentlich die Zuhörerin, Dein dein Background?\n\nSpeaker 0: Weiß ich nicht. Mein Background sind viele Aktenordner und 'n Kallaxschrank.\n\nSpeaker 1: Nein, aber Du Du hast ja ja Politikwissenschaften studiert, oder?\n\nSpeaker 0: Ich hab Politikwissenschaft und Jura studiert und deshalb kann ich dir das jetzt quasi Deswegen, wir haben wirklich 'n Profi hier.\n\nSpeaker 1: Das ist krass. Das ist tatsächlich\n\nSpeaker 0: Ist das gar nicht. Erstmalig, genau. Erstmaliges Japan der Profi. Ja, alles alles gut. Es gibt im Prinzip da 2 Systeme so und in diesem Fall ist das so, bei Geldstrafen gehen die im Prinzip in den zugehörigen Staatshaushalt, ja?\n\nAlso diese Strafzahlung, die da jetzt eingesammelt wird, die geht in den Haushalt von der Europäischen Union und wird dann erst mal nicht fix auf irgendwelche Länder zugeteilt, sondern fließt halt genau wie alles andere Haushaltsgeld, also in der Europäischen Union zu 'nem großen Teil in Landwirtschaftssubvention und landet dann so wieder, ja, ist er so. Ich glaub, 'n 'n sehr großer Teil ist, also ich glaub, über die Hälfte ist es nicht so des EU Haushaltes, sind Agrarsubventionen und wird dann da wieder son bisschen verteilt. Und bei Geldauflagen ist es tatsächlich so im deutschen Recht zumindest, dann kann auch der Richter irgendwie anordnen, dass das wo besonders hinfließen muss, ne. Also wenn Du jetzt, weiß nicht, Prozess wird eingestellt gegen Geldauflage, weil weiß ich nicht, Dave hat wieder irgendwas verbrochen und dann kann er sagen, okay, Dave, Du zahlst das jetzt nicht an die Staatskasse, sondern an Gemeinnützüge Gemeinnützüge Einrichtungen, genau, irgendwie, die da vielleicht mit dem Kurs auch irgendwie verbunden ist, so. Mhm.\n\nDas nur als kleiner Diskurs.\n\nSpeaker 2: Nicht schlecht. Hat nicht funktioniert.\n\nSpeaker 1: Aber war trotz, krank recht recht okay.\n\nSpeaker 2: Yes. Das war\n\nSpeaker 0: jetzt schon dein Thema, Dennis oder was?\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, gut, ja, ich bin ja leider. Richtig geil. Also genau, hier scheiß amerikanische Konzerne. Gut, dass die EU was dagegen macht. Ist das gut?\n\nIst das 'n Statement, oder?\n\nSpeaker 0: Also ehrlicherweise hat das ja in dem Fall wenig damit zu tun, dass sind amerikanische Konzerne sind.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, keine Ahnung, wann nicht Na gut.\n\nSpeaker 0: Aber also, die mussten jetzt dieses Geld zahlen, aber mussten sie auch in dieser Praxis irgendwas ändern? Also hat das nachhaltig irgendwie Nee, nee.\n\nSpeaker 1: Das war doch wie bisher.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ich glaub, das ist vorher schon passiert. Ach so, okay. Ja, das ist nicht mehr ganz so machen, nicht mehr so.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ich bin die letzten paar Jahre bei Android gefühlt son bisschen raus. Boah, ich bin\n\nSpeaker 1: ich war noch nie bei Android drin. Ist mir aufgefallen. Ich hatte noch nie ein Android Handy. Nicht meine Hand, glaub ich. Ja, Lüge, aber also schon sehr wenig Kontakt.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja. Ja. Dave baut Mobile Games, ohne Android zu kennen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Das ist\n\nSpeaker 0: auch nicht so wichtig. So, Cross Plattform Sachen. Brauchen\n\nSpeaker 1: wir das eigentlich an. Juppedad, Juppedad. Ja.\n\nSpeaker 0: Okay, dann mach ich mal weiter. Auch hier geht's son bisschen gegen das, was große amerikanische Konzerne grade so Verbrechen. Und zwar geht es natürlich AI und wie es uns alle ruiniert beziehungsweise wie es Open Source ruiniert. Und da gab es in den letzten 2 Wochen 2 ganz interessante Punkte bei großen oder kleineren Open Source Projekten. Das eine war eine 1 Issue, die aufgemacht wurde bei dem TL Draw Projekt.\n\nIch weiß nicht, wer von euch das kennt, was son bisschen wie, was ist auch son bekannter Variation Ja, ColyDraw. CallyDraw, genau.\n\nSpeaker 2: Was ist immer sone?\n\nSpeaker 1: Jan, was was ist noch mal der der Spruch von denen, wenn Du 'n Tab darauf hast, versteht noch mal deine Leiste?\n\nSpeaker 0: Bei CLDraw, meinst Du?\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, CLDraw hat das doch.\n\nSpeaker 0: War das nicht so the the Very best, Very good Free Whiteboard ist das, genau, wenn das aufmachen. Ja, aber das ist halt wirklich das. Ein 1 gutes Marketing. Ja, also\n\nSpeaker 1: man muss das von, ja.\n\nSpeaker 0: Da das halt auch ein Open Source Projekt und die haben ein 1 Issue aufgemacht, in der es darum ging, die komplette Testsuite aus dem offenen Repository in ein geschlossenes Repository zu bewegen. Und zwar war der Hintergrund eben, dass wir das jetzt ja schon 'n paarmal bei größeren Projekten gesehen haben, dass jemand daherkommt, sich quasi die Testsuite nimmt und dann mithilfe von der Air so lange quasi ein Vergleichs-, Konkurrenz Nachbauprodukt baut, bis eben all diese Tests wieder befriedigt sind und dann sagt, na ja, dementsprechend, man darf hier nicht befriedigt sagen, ohne Dave zu trinken. Sorry. Aber wenn die Testsuite quasi durchläuft, dann ist unser gewweibe, coatedes, slop Fork, wie auch immer Produkt quasi genauso gut wie das Original und danke für die Mitarbeit. Und das wollten Sie eben an der Stelle verhindern.\n\nDas hat auf GitHub sone etwas größere Diskussion darüber ausgelöst, so, ist das sinnvoll? Lohnt sich das überhaupt? Ist der Test tatsächlich das Ausschlaggebende? Also ne, inwieweit ist sone Maßnahme irgendwie sinnvoll? Und da hat's dann so die Diskussion son bisschen darum gedreht, bis der Issue Author dann nach 'n paar Tagen, Kommentaren, wie auch immer ankam.\n\nDer, ja, das war ja alles gar nicht so ernst gemeint und er wollte nur mal hier sone Diskussion lostreten und danke fürs Gespräch. Er lässt jetzt diese Issue immer offen, damit er noch 'n bisschen weiter diskutiert werden kann, aber es war nie wirklich im Absicht von THE ADR, das das wirklich, in Anführungszeichen, wirklich durchzuziehen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Das heißt, ich bin weiterhin drin?\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja. Ah, okay. Und also er sagt auch ganz realistisch, er gibt am Ende noch mal sone Summary und die ist schon auch lesenswert. Sagt, na ja, also die Tests rauszunehmen und den Quelltext halt öffentlich zu lassen, ist halt auch nur bedingt sinnvoll, weil dann gibst Du halt immer noch viel her, ja. Die Testsuite ist ja außerdem aus dem fertigen Produkt auch reproduzierbar.\n\nAlso ich kann mir auch einfach das Produkt nehmen und selbst wenn ich den Quelltext nicht kopieren will, sagen, schreib mir halt erst mal eine Testsuite dagegen und dann nehme ich die Testsuite so raus, ja. Er hat auch irgendwie zugegeben, dass dieses Aufspitten von Produkt und Testsuite halt auch vollkommen unpraktikabel wär an jeglicher Stelle. Also es würde sie langsamer machen, es würde das Ganze den ganzen CIron instabiler machen und so weiter und so fort, was ich auch alles unterschreiben würde. Und ja, aber man sieht tatsächlich einfach an den an den Kommentaren und Reactions, die's an diesem ganzen Thread so gab, dass die die Gefahr, die sie sehen, halt schon nicht von der Hand zu weisen ist irgendwie, ja. Und dann die Leute halt im Prinzip sich nur darin unterscheiden, ob sie halt sagen so, ne, ist halt AI Schulterzucken muss man so nehmen, wie man will.\n\nOder ob man halt son bisschen die reaktionäre Ecke fällt und sagt so, wir müssen uns aber irgendwie dagegen wehren,\n\nSpeaker 2: so. Mhm.\n\nSpeaker 1: Hast hast hast Du hast da irgendwie so eine Ahnung, was so das Meinungsbild in den Kommentaren war? Also Großteil dagegen, Großteil so, na ja, ist halt so. Sehen wir's, was da so im im Kopf geblieben ist aus den Also\n\nSpeaker 0: selbst die Leute, die gesagt haben, man müsste sich irgendwie gegen AI verteidigen, haben jetzt auch gesagt, die Testsuite zu verstecken, ist wahrscheinlich nicht der Schlüssel dazu. So, ja, aus den grade genannten Punkten schon. Und die Frage ist dann eher, schafft man das mit 'nem Ding? Schafft man das mit mit anderen Guidelines? Und es gab halt auch Stimmen, die gesagt haben, also ehrlicherweise liegt das wahrscheinlich auch nicht an T-Adraw, dieses Problem zu lösen.\n\nJa. So, ja, sondern da gibt's ja auch viel größere Projekte, die 'n viel größeres Incentive vielleicht daran haben. Und ja, und das führt uns vielleicht direkt zum nächsten Projekt, was sich in den letzten 2 Wochen mit AI beschäftigt hat, nämlich Goddeaux. Goddeaux, eine Game Engine und das ist so ziemlich genau alles, was ich darüber weiß.\n\nSpeaker 1: Eine der wenigen populären Kostenlosen, würde ich sagen. Also man kennt ja\n\nSpeaker 0: Also die große Welt laufenden, ne,\n\nSpeaker 1: weil Du\n\nSpeaker 0: kannst ja auch diese anderen kostenlos benutzen, aber\n\nSpeaker 1: Ach so, ja, ja, stimmt, genau, true, true, genau, genau, weil sonst können wir ja und Unreal Engine so. Und das sind so die großen, für die man natürlich irgendwann eine Lizenz zahlen muss, wenn Du eine gewisse Größe hast und glaub, gut aus, komplett kostenlos und halt auch einsehbar, genau.\n\nSpeaker 0: Wir haben noch nie was mit Kodooz gemacht, oder? Frag ich mich hier so in die\n\nSpeaker 1: Aber Aber\n\nSpeaker 2: Aber aber\n\nSpeaker 0: sind wir dabei, ja.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ich glaub, es ist eine Evaluierungsphase oder so. Ja.\n\nSpeaker 0: Na ja, dann ist ja das vielleicht tatsächlich noch relevanter für uns hier, was da jetzt grade kommt. Und zwar hat sich auch Godot damit beschäftigt, so wie gehen wir mit AI und wie viele andere Open Source Projekte leiden sie natürlich unter der Menge an AI generierten Pull Requests, die son bisschen über sie einbricht und haben dementsprechend eine sehr, sehr explizite Policy aufgestellt, wie sie in Zukunft damit umgehen wollen. Bevor wir auf die einzelnen Verbote oder Policy Regeln kommen, es gab einen Absatz in dem Blogpostinsel zu veröffentlichen haben, den ich eigentlich ganz cool fand, wo ich gesagt hab, na ja, PRs zu Reviewen, insbesondere PRs von Leuten, die halt nicht zum Core Team oder zu den bekannten Maintenern und Contributtern gehören, war halt schon immer viel Arbeit. Aber sie haben sich das quasi bisher schön geredet oder zumindest das Gefühl gehabt, dass es sich lohnt, weil Du bringst halt Leuten was bei und 'n Teil der Leute wird vielleicht oder zu dem Projekt und es ist halt son Investment in die Community, ja, wenn Du halt Leuten erklärst, so, hey, nein, so funktioniert unsere Architektur nicht und mach das doch bitte eher so und andersrum und Und haben halt schon das Gefühl, dass bei AI generierten Pull Requests, wo Du am Ende halt nur mit sonem Bot sprichst und der der GitHub User, der da vermeintlich hinten dran steht, halt da gar nicht mehr irgendwie im Loop ist, dass halt alles son bisschen verschenkte Arbeit ist, ja, weil sich ja da kein permanentes Wissen irgendwie aufbaut.\n\nAlso diese Tools auch einfach noch nicht so weit sind, ne. Rein theoretisch könnte man ja sagen, na ja, solange diese Diskussion öffentlich auf GitHub geführt wird, könnte die ja schon auch zurückfließen, ja. Der Nächste, der 'n Pull Request aufmacht, kann sich die vorherigen Pull Requests angucken und könnte quasi auch daraus lernen, aber das passiert ja aktuell de facto so noch nicht und dementsprechend sagen sie, okay, das das lohnt sich halt einfach nicht für uns an der Stelle. So, das fand ich mal 'n ganz ehrlichen Take, wollte ich deshalb auch erwähnen und jetzt können wir ganz kurz so die die sehr expliziten Regeln durchgehen, die Sie so gesagt haben. So, also keine AI Agents und kein Vipe recodetes Zeug.\n\nWenn rauskommt, dass dein Pull Request da quasi nur hingehweibt ist und Du da nicht selber deine Hände mit im Spiel hattest, kriegst Du direkt 'n Autobahn aus dem Repository und das war's dann so für dich. Wenn deine AI contributed zu deinem Pull Request, dann solltest Du sehr genau ausführen, welche Teile AI generiert sind und vielleicht auch\n\nSpeaker 2: warum und\n\nSpeaker 0: warum Du glaubst, dass das unproblematisch ist so, ja. Da kann ich mir schon vorstellen, ne, Also wie gesagt, ich kenn Goodol jetzt nicht von innen, aber wenn man so an andere Projekte und Frameworks denkt, wenn da jetzt so DTOs erzeugt werden oder so was, wo man sagt, okay, das sind halt irgendwie leere Klassen mit 'n paar Filz und Properties drin, die musst Du nicht alle von Hand schreiben. Sobiert, ja. Und es darf kein AI generierter Text in der Kommunikation verwendet werden. Also das heißt, die die Diskussion, die muss tatsächlich zwischen Menschen stattfinden und darf nicht quasi ein Goodoo Maintainer mit deinem Bot nur irgendwie sein.\n\nUnd am Ende, das ist quasi so die einzige Regel, die sie sich selbst auferlegen so, versprechen sie quasi im Gegenzug, dass sie alle purequests und Reviews halt auch von Menschen approven lassen. Was nicht, wenn man das ganz genau liest, was nicht heißt, dass es keine AI contributions dazu geben kann, ne. Also man kann ja automatische Checks oder so was von mit AI machen, aber am Ende muss die Entscheidung quasi von 'nem Menschen getroffen werden. So. Human in the Loop bei Godot\n\nSpeaker 1: vielleicht. Noch.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, also Wie hast Du Dennis, ich\n\nSpeaker 1: muss den Dennis ja heute spielen.\n\nSpeaker 0: Auch dazu gab's so, er gab's son paar interessante Reaktionen dann in der in der Diskussion und natürlich wurde auch darauf hingewiesen, dass der AI schon an anderer Stellen genutzt wird. Aber ich glaub, auch da geht's son bisschen die Frage der Verhältnismäßigkeit am Ende, So und jetzt weiß ich nicht, wen ich dir angucken muss, den Dave Dennis oder den Dennis Dave, wer will jetzt hier den den AI Gegen take oder den Supermarkt machen?\n\nSpeaker 1: Nicht schlecht, Dave.\n\nSpeaker 2: Weh. 2 2 Dinge eigentlich, glaube ich. Also erstens, ich kann es erst mal so die Initialreaktion kann ich verstehen. So, wenn Du son Repository hast und ne, jeder fühlt sich jetzt enable da reinzupushen und Du kriegst da wirst einfach nicht mehr her, so der der Pull Request und so, die da passieren. Kann ich verstehen, dass man das begrenzen muss in irgend 'ner Art und Weise.\n\nUnd auf der anderen Seite frage ich mich halt, wie lange das der Zustand ist so. Ich mein, das ist ja, ja, das ist ja die Prämisse dahinter ist ja irgendwie, dass AI, also warum passiert das? Weil halt irgendwie halb schlaue Leute denken, ah, ich mach da was und da irgendwie was, ne, irgendwas committen so. Das ist ja jetzt nicht, weil jemand, der irgendwie sich mit dem Projekt auskennt oder was weiß ich, mit dem Projekt auskennt, aber irgendwie das vernünftig vernünftig in den Kontext bringt und so weiter, der sich damit beschäftigt hat, was man irgendwie erwarten würde und und da in einen Trade Quest stellt. Aber trotzdem ist ja unter der Prämisse, dass AI das nicht so gut kann wie ein 1 Jungen und so.\n\nUnd daran glaube ich halt mittelfristig nicht. Und\n\nSpeaker 1: dann ist\n\nSpeaker 2: ja nur die Frage, wo diese Schwelle ist, wo das dann irgendwann halt umschwappt und wo man das dann vielleicht nicht mehr braucht. Und ich sehe auch noch nicht, ja, also ne, vielleicht musst Du dann diese Regeln halt noch außenrum bisschen auch da wieder einfach straffer machen und sagen, hey, das sind die Dinge und da ist jetzt in deinem ganzen Workflow und so was, auf die Sachen müssen wir achten bei Go Do aus 'ner Architekturellen Sicht, das Projekt in die Richtung zu entwickeln, die wir es wollen. Also Du musst ja irgendwie 'n bisschen was vorgeben, weil sonst kann ja 1 anfangen daraus eine, was weiß ich, irgendwas, was halt keine Game Engine ist zu machen, weil der denkt das irgendwie smart oder so. Na ja, also irgend eine Idee muss der da dran haben. Aber ja, mittelfristig und vielleicht auch kurzfristig ist AI, wird eher in der Lage sein, da zu contributen in 'nem sinnvollen, in 'ner sinnvollen Art und Weise.\n\nSpeaker 0: Mhm. Also ich glaube, es geht gar nicht so sehr Qualität. Hat irgendeiner von euch schon mal 'n Open Source Repository gewartet, verwaltet, geount, wie auch immer, irgendwas? Die Programmiererwebsite.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ich hab ich hab mal 'n Podcastfest erstellt und der wurd abgelehnt. Also für für Jumler Jumler. Als\n\nSpeaker 0: erzähl man, der das schon mal machen durfte, ja, ganz häufig gehen ja diese Diskussionen nicht Qualität so, ja? Weil Qualität ist ja mittlerweile doch auch ein 1 sehr messbares Ding, ja. Du kannst sagen, hast Du irgendwie Codecoverage und hältst Du dich an unsere Guidelines und hast Du alles nicht gesehen, sondern ganz oft geht es diesen Punkt, ne, Dennis, wie Du auch grade gesagt hast so, ist das das, was wir mit diesem Projekt halt überhaupt erreichen wollen? Ja, fällt das in unseren Scope oder weiß ich, ich kann mir vorstellen, bei Goddot kann ja vielleicht auch die Antwort sein, das wollen wir nicht im Chor, vielleicht musst Du son Plug in dafür schreiben. So und hier ist so das Getting Startet für deinen für deinen Plug in, da kannst Du dich mal 'n bisschen beschäftigen.\n\nUnd das ist, glaube ich, 'n Teil, der kann so nicht von AI bedient werden. Ja. Oh, hi. Weil na ja, weil die diese Diskussion, was wollen wir mit dem Projekt, ja auch ganz oft eine Lebendige ist. So, da müssen dann Leute aus dem Core Team irgendwie darüber diskutieren, Ja.\n\nWollen wir das, wollen wir das nicht? Und manchmal ist ja auch son PR, wo man erst denkt, das gehört da nicht rein. Manchmal lassen sich auch Leute irgendwie überzeugen. Ich kann schon verstehen, dass die Leute nicht in in dieser Diskussion das Gefühl haben wollen, da mit 'ner Maschine zu sprechen, sondern ihre Philosophie für das Projekt halt schon mit mit jemand anderem diskutieren wollen soll, ne.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, aber für mich wär der Weg vorwärts halt irgendwie genau das zu dokumentieren, was dieser Weg sein soll, weil dann kannst Du ja auch Schranken einbauen, dass der AI die ganzen Pull Request erst mal ablehnt,\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja.\n\nSpeaker 2: Wenn sie halt nicht dem gemeinsamen Ziel irgendwie voranbringen. Also ich glaube, da fehlt halt einfach dann das das Außen rum, das zu ermöglichen, was ja auch in der Theorie auch zu 'ner schnelleren Entwicklung von Goluloğan führen wird, ne. Also wenn's auch Geschwindigkeit und Weiterentwicklung geht so, wirst Du mit der ja einfach andere Möglichkeiten haben, als wenn es nur nur Menschen machen und dann musst Du dich vielleicht eher damit beschäftigen, so, wie können wir denn die Rahmenbedingungen schaffen, dass klar ist, was was gewollt ist und was nicht gewollt ist, weil dann kann sich AI auch daran halten.\n\nSpeaker 0: Das ist sicherlich auch richtig, ja. Also ich glaub auch schon, dass 'n Teil der Antwort sein muss, so bessere Triage zu machen, bestimmt auch AI gestützt zu sagen, das sind einfach eine Art von Pull Requests hier ganz viele, die wir nicht haben wollen, ja. Und ich glaub aber auch, dass 'n 'n Teil der Schuld quasi bei den AI Nutzerinnen ist, die vielleicht auch einfach nicht so überqualifiziert an die Sache rangehen. Ja. Ja, und dann einfach sobald bei ihnen in Goddot halt irgendwas nicht funktioniert, ihrem Agent sagen, hey, sag doch mal in diesem Bescheid, dass sie halt irgendwas Murks ist.\n\nJa. Wo vielleicht bei zweiten oder drittensem Hinsehen dieser Pull Recfest einfach überhaupt gar nicht notwendig wäre.\n\nSpeaker 2: Deswegen habe ich hier gesagt, kann ich das erst mal nachvollziehen, so, ne. Ich mein, Du sitzt da irgendwie und kriegst den ganzen Müll und weiß nicht, was Du damit anfangen sollst, Ja. Aber ich glaube, meine Richtung, wenn ich die zeitlichen Kapazitäten dazu hätte, wären halt eher da proaktiv in die Zukunft zu blicken und nicht das einzuschränken, sondern eher zu sagen, okay, wie nutze ich beispielsweise AI, den ganzen Herr zu werden?\n\nSpeaker 1: Weil weil das ist, also ich find, das ist der relevante Punkt irgendwie, der mir auch aufgefallen ist. Also es ist ja nicht das 1. Mal, dass wir genau über so was reden, ne. Wir haben über SEK geredet, über RUS haben wir geredet. Dann noch hier jemand, der auch innen ja die die Codebasis von dem Open Source Projekt einfach eine Prompt Injection eingebaut hat und so was alles, ne.\n\nUnd das sind ja alles so Maßnahmen, einfach so gegen AI zu sein, so ne. Wir wollen das nicht so. Wir arbeiten nicht mit AI, sondern wir wir bannen das jetzt. Und mir fehlt irgendwie so aktuell son bisschen dieser Lösungsansatz zu sagen, Aha, okay. Hey, okay, wir wir wir integrieren das so.\n\nKomm, ah, geh, bann, ja. Aber so wie wie Dennis gesagt hat, ne irgendwie so eine 1 Infrastruktur drumherum zu schaffen, so dass vielleicht auch viel von dem erst mal gesichtet wird durch eine AI. Eine AI sagt, hey, das ist so unproblematisch, das passt auch zur Vision des Produktes. Komm, das geht einfach so rein, das ist so klein, das passt so schlimm. Und irgendwas, was sie nicht bewerten kann, so, hey, ich glaub, das solltet ihr Mantasiner euch mal anschauen so, weil das irgendwie eine 1 andere Richtung einschlägt, ob das irgendwie gewünscht ist oder nicht.\n\nUnd da kann dann durchaus eine Diskussion entstehen. Aber das find ich grad irgendwie son bisschen schade, diesen Open Source Base, so, dass da nicht so dieses, wie Dennis gesagt, so proaktiv in\n\nSpeaker 2: die Zukunft geschaut wird, sondern erst mal so, okay, wir können wir können nicht her über die Lage werden so, wir wir gehen eher in den Verteidigungsmodus. Ja, und auch das kann ich teilweise halt irgendwie nachvollziehen, ne. Ich mein, wir weiß nicht, wann die Folge mit Fabian Hiller live gehen soll.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, wollt ich auch gleich noch zu erzählen, ne.\n\nSpeaker 2: Da ich nur ja auch 'n bisschen drüber, ne, der ja mit Wallibot und Vormish so relativ große Open Source Projekte auch betreibt so. Mhm. Ne, und also wir auch gesagt haben, ja gut, was ist so auch die Motivation, ne? Ruhm und Ehre ist so ein Teil davon einfach, ne, im im Open Source Base natürlich auch und einfach irgendwo so, ne, sein Wissen teilen und sich freuen, wenn das irgendwie anderen hilft und eingesetzt wird. Aber auch, ja, wo wird sich das so hinschieben, ne?\n\nWas davon wirst Du noch brauchen, so, ne? Ja. Was davon wird sowieso on the fly erstellt, so und geht's nicht dann eher und das ist ja eigentlich und ich vermute mal, würde mein Geld darauf setzen, so wie der in der Entwicklung bei uns das aktuell auch so ist, dass es sich eher verschiebt von, ne, wie können wir die Infrastruktur bereitstellen? Wie können wir die ganzen das ganze das ganze Set-up so machen, dass wir AI gut nutzen können? Das wird in den anderen, das wird in dem Open Source Bereich auch so sein.\n\nDann werden halt die Tools eher deine AI sein und deine Genau. Ne, wie wie kann AI mit irgendwas umgehen Ja. Als jetzt das das eine Feature in der in ein Gamemine. Mhm.\n\nSpeaker 0: Mit so 2 Schritten mehr Abstand ist das vielleicht auch wieder einfach 'n gutes Beispiel dafür, dass die Beschleunigung, die an vielen Stellen durch AI halt grade ermöglicht wird, einfach aufzeigt, was vorher schon gefehlt hat so, ja. Also wenn Dennis zurecht sagt, so na ja, wenn sich ganz viele dieser PRs irgendwie Sachen drehen, die nicht in Goddot reingehören, dann lag da vielleicht schon vorher immer der Fehler. Es war halt nur nicht schlimm genug in Anführungszeichen, als dass es das wert war, das mal ordentlich aufzuschreiben oder 'n Mechanismus dafür zu finden, das halt irgendwie besser einzudämmen, aber mit AI wird's halt krasser sein. Ich wollte noch, weil Dennis grade die Folge mit Fabian angesprochen hat, die in 'nem Monat ungefähr rauskommt, da war er 1 meiner, wie ich erzählt hab, Open Source zu nutzen, nein, AI zu nutzen, Open Source Pakete oder Apps, die ich verwende Mit der Urlaub\n\nSpeaker 1: zu überscannen.\n\nSpeaker 0: Zu scannen. Na, zu zu scannen so tatsächlich, ne, so, hey, hier dieses Tool ist das safe, mach das, was es verspricht und Ja. Irgendwie wie wie funktioniert das intern überhaupt. Mhm. Und da hab ich tatsächlich gestern das das auch wieder gemacht, so und dann hat er gesagt, ja, das tut es eigentlich ganz cool, aber das macht so eine Sache son bisschen falsch und das könnte security mäßig schwierig werden.\n\nSo, will da jetzt keine Namen nennen, kann man auch auf, wenn man mein Gitterprofil findet, kann man das schon irgendwie rausfinden, wo ich darum kommentiert hab dann. Und da hab ich tatsächlich zurückgegangen in dieses Repository und war dann auch ganz kurz so überlegt, okay, paste jetzt hier einfach meine meine AI Diskussion rein so, ja, und sag so, guck mal hier, wir haben hier was gefunden, was irgendwie uncool ist. Und ich hab mir da tatsächlich die Mühe gemacht, das halt selber noch mal son bisschen zu formulieren, selber noch mal son bisschen Research zu betreiben, irgendwie Quellen zu finden, wo ich den den Mantermin sagen kann, guck mal hier, deshalb ist es halt nicht Best Practice, sondern schau dir das vielleicht noch mal so und so an. Und das war für mich aber auch sone sone gefühlte Gratwanderung halt, ja, weil man gerade halt nicht weiß, wie wird das so angenommen, ne? Das war eine App, die in in in SWIFT geschrieben ist.\n\nIch hab keine Ahnung oder nicht nennenswert Ahnung von SWIFT, ja? Ich lebe mich da auch sehr weit ausm Fenster, wenn ich dem jetzt irgendwie erzählen will, wie er das dort zu machen hat, auch wenn ich das zugrundeliegende Problem irgendwie auf 'nem Meta Level verstehe. Und aber die waren tatsächlich dann sehr empfänglich dafür. Die haben sich bedankt und haben gesagt, so, okay, das fixen wir in der nächsten Version. So, schauen wir mal, ob die nächste Version das dann auch wirklich\n\nSpeaker 1: fixiert. Ach, ja. Aber guck mal, das ist auch son Positivbeispiel dann davon von der Interaktion.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, aber weil ich halt, also weil ich halt auch noch son bisschen Zeit, genau, weil ich noch was reininvestiert hab. Und ich glaube, dass, wenn man das im Moment noch so macht, dann ist es wahrscheinlich auch gangbar.\n\nSpeaker 1: Also mich würd's ja, wenn Du dich jetzt der andere Fall interessieren magst, Du wärst nicht die Extraschritte gegangen, ob das aber zum selben Resultat geführt hätte so irgendwie Ja,\n\nSpeaker 0: also dann Dave, verwende doch bitte deinen GitHub Videos anhaben. Ja. Irgendwo das mal anderweitig zu. Probieren. Schade.\n\nGut. Bevor Du von GitHub gebannt warst, oh nein, ist gar nicht auf GitHub, ja, ist mit Journey auf GitHub. Ich hab keine Ahnung, was die da so alles treiben. Aber erzähl uns doch mal, warum das vielleicht einfach komplett egal ist, weil die jetzt was ganz anderes\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja. Das ist ja Und ob\n\nSpeaker 0: Du auch gedacht hast, dass das son Late April Fools Day Joke ist, wie ich, als ich das gelesen hab.\n\nSpeaker 1: Genau, genau. Also es war alles interessant, als ich das gepostet hab und gesagt, hey, ich werd darüber sprechen über Midjourney. Da hat Jan auch genauso reagiert, so hä, haben die vergessen, dass April nicht im Juni ist, hä, was soll das? Aber tatsächlich, als ich den den Beitrag son bisschen gelesen hab, dacht ich mir, es ergibt schon 'n bisschen Sinn, aber dazu kommen wir gleich, denn also was ist eigentlich erst mal passiert? Midjourney kennt man vielleicht.\n\nIst 'n AI Unternehmen mit dem auch mit 'nem Tool mit demselben Namen, Midjourney. Und ich glaub, primär zuerst auf Discord und mittlerweile haben die aber, glaub ich, auch eine Weboberfläche. Geht einfach darum, Generation, ne. Also Du sagst irgendwas, hey, zeig mir den Pubs aufm Skateboard mit 'ner coolen Sonnenbrille. Zack, Bam, wird das Bild generiert.\n\nSpeaker 2: Gefühlt so von außen, ohne drin zu sein, am Anfang eine der der großen Toolsgebürsen, so, die immer im Bass waren und immer gehypt waren, was heute nicht mehr so ist.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ist das so? Ich weiß\n\nSpeaker 1: gar nicht, wer ganz vorne dabei ist tatsächlich bei Imagegeneration, aber wahrscheinlich auch die ganz großen Player. Na, auf jeden Fall fand ich's interessant, wusste ich auch nicht, Midjourney ist tatsächlich komplett zu 100 Prozent profitabel. Die sind auch 0 Prozent irgendwie fremdfinanziert, also kein Venturecapital steckt dahinter und die machen halt gut Umsatz. Fand ich interessant. Hört man ja in diesem AI Space sehr selten irgendwie.\n\nMhm. Und die haben gesagt so, na ja okay, jetzt also der der Laden läuft ja so. Wir wollen jetzt was Sinnvolles für die Menschheit machen und wir steigen jetzt ein in den Gesundheitssektor und haben jetzt Midjourney Medical gegründet. Denkt man sich jetzt mal, okay, hä, crazy, wie kommst Du von soner AI Generation von Images jetzt auf irgendwie den Gesundheitssektor? Sie haben gesagt, das Ziel von dem Unternehmen soll sein, dass Sie ein medizinisches Bildgebungsgerät erschaffen.\n\nUnd zwar haben Sie das genannt mit dem Akronym Fakt. Fakt, genau. Steht ausgeschriefen für Full Body, Full Body, Ultrasonic, ja? Also hat man wahrscheinlich schon irgendwie, sag mal, Tomographie. Sagt euch sicherlich etwas.\n\nGanz genau, Dave, richtig. Genau, wo die gesagt haben, so diese Bildgebung soll vor allem sehr schnell sein, günstig und einfach verfügbar, ne. Also ich glaub, hier müssen wir kurz 'n Exkurs in son bisschen Physik machen. Also was gibt's denn für andere Bildgebungsgeräte, die man so kennt?\n\nSpeaker 2: Vielleicht erst mal das Wort Bildgebung erklären.\n\nSpeaker 1: Bildgebung, genau. Du hast 'n Körper und Du hast ja auch Organe in deinem Körper und Du hast auch Muskeln und Ekel. Oder sonst. Ekel. Genau.\n\nJa. Und da Du möchtest ja teilweise so, oh, hat der Dennis vielleicht irgendwie 'n Schaden im Gehirn, dass der ganze Zeit so komische Geräusche macht? Ah. Da müssen wir mal jetzt, glaub ich, ein MRT machen. MRT schon mal gehört, ne?\n\nMagnetresonanztomographie, genau, Bildgebung und dann hast Du son Bild von deinem Gehirn. So. MRT funktioniert sehr gut. Problem, es dauert ewig, ne. Also ich weiß nicht, ob ihr das kennt, ich hatte ja wegen meiner Schulter Eckgelenksprengung Anfang des Jahres musste ich in son MRT.\n\nDas ist wahnsinnig gruselig. So, Du kommst in sone richtig enge Röhre, die hat, glaub ich, 'n Durchmesser von so 60, 70 Zentimeter, 6, 7.\n\nSpeaker 0: Und Du und Und Du\n\nSpeaker 2: fand's nicht so schlimm. Aber war heiter.\n\nSpeaker 1: Genau, aber warst Du auch komplett drin mit deinem Kopf und so? Oder hat's das irgendwo unten am Bein? Weil dann kommt son, da kommt's andersrum rein. Also ich war ja komplett in dieser Röhre drin. Ja.\n\nUnd deswegen ist, ich also ich hab keine Clostrophobie, aber es ist halt echt krass, wie eng das da alles ist. Und dann hörst Du halt, also hörst Du Kopfhörer auf und dann ist diese Maschine, die klackert unendlich laut und nicht rum, weil dieser Magnet sich halt irgendwie ausrechnen muss, Radiowellen sendet, dann deine Wassermoleküle verschieben sich und so und dann am Ende hast Du halt 'n Bild. Und ich war da mit meiner Schulter irgendwie 20, 25 Minuten drin. Wenn Du aber das für den gesamten Körper machst, bist Du schon eine Stunde drin. Also das ist schon, also es dauert ewig.\n\nWas es dann noch gibt, ist das CT, das ist die Computertomografie. Habt ihr auch wahrscheinlich schon mal gehört. Die arbeitet mit Röntgenstrahlung und ihr wisst, Röntgenstrahlung, Radioaktivität, nicht gut. Also geht halt deutlich schneller, da\n\nSpeaker 2: bist Du halt eher bei\n\nSpeaker 1: so was wie 10 bis 20 Minuten in der Zeit, aber halt Du kriegst halt eine Strahlenbelastung, die gar nicht mal unerheblich ist dann in der Zeit ab, ne. Ist immer son bisschen abwägen, ob man das macht oder nicht. Du hast ja schon bei einem CT hast Du quasi, wir haben ja eine Grundstrahlenbelastung, die wir ja hier in Deutschland einfach haben und die hast Du im CT einfach während 1 CTs.\n\nSpeaker 2: Aber warum 20, 30 Minuten?\n\nSpeaker 1: 10 bis 20 hab ich gesagt.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, in 'nem reingehen, zack. Ja, aber Du\n\nSpeaker 1: weil es mehrere Schichten sind und Du willst Ach, genau.\n\nSpeaker 2: CT. CT zurück.\n\nSpeaker 1: Genau, genau. Also es ist kein nicht normales mit den anderen. Genau. So und jetzt hab ich ja gesagt, FUCT, ne, also Fakt, genau, Ultrasonic, ne, Ultraschall. Ultraschall kennt ihr.\n\nGenau und Ultraschall ist super unschädlich für uns. Und Babys, mal gucken. Kann mal 'n Babys gucken, das ist auch relevant für gleich. Wie wie also wie stellen Sie sich jetzt vor mit Journey, dass Sie das halt im medizinischen Kontext dann benutzen? Und zwar haben die gesagt so, okay, wir wollen erst mal nicht, dass Du in irgendwas eine medizinische Einrichtung gehst, sondern die haben gesagt, wir wollen einen Spar errichten.\n\nDas wollen sie auch in San Francisco tatsächlich bauen. Und Du hast dann wirklich so, Du kannst da\n\nSpeaker 2: halt Den Supermarkt? Spar? Spar,\n\nSpeaker 0: genau, der Spar. Da können Du bist\n\nSpeaker 1: ja eigentlich in Deutschland?\n\nSpeaker 0: Ich muss das ganz kurz unterbrechen, weil also an dieser Stelle muss jeder mal ganz kurz mit Germany Medical googeln und diese Bilder von diesem Spa, was sie da machen wollen, angucken, weil das sieht genauso aus, wie sich Midjourney wahrscheinlich in seinen wildesten Träumen son Future Hightech Spa irgendwie ausdenken würde, ja? Und Sie stellen's dahin so mit voller Ernsthaftigkeit, ja, genauso wollen wir das. Genauso wird das aussehen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Aber ja, das ist auch geil. Also es ist komplett auch AI generated, so dieses Video. Ja, auf jeden Fall.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, ja,\n\nSpeaker 1: auf jeden Fall. Also weil es wirklich geil so, weil das halt so so golden leuchtender Raum ist und so und dann stellst Du dich auf sone Plattform und wirst kommen sie in sone Röhre rein, also in eine größere Röhre, also keine Platzangst an der Stelle. Und da sind superviele Ultraschallsensoren, also Zigtausende. Und diese Ultraschallsensoren, die ballern einfach ganz weit auf dich und Ballalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalal ergibt dann ein Bild dann am Ende, ne. Und Du Du hast halt superviele Sensoren und aus diesen verschiedenen Wellen, die jetzt zurückgeworfen werden, kriegst Du dann halt sehr viele, sehr neu Sybuilder.\n\nDa hast Du irgendwie Terabyte von Daten pro Sekunde einfach an der Stelle. Und wenn man jetzt weiß, wie ja Midjourney funktioniert, ne, sehr viele neue Bilder, daraus ein kohärentes Bild zu generieren, genau das macht Midjourney, ne. Das sind ja diese Diffusionsmodelle, ne, wo wir dann halt irgendwie 1 1 1 digitales Rauschen haben. Es wird immer 'n bisschen feiner und feiner und feiner und irgendwann hast Du da dein Bild. Und genau das versuchen sie quasi mit diesen Millionen von Bildern, die dann halt da entstehen pro Sekunde, dann irgendwie einen Scan von deinem gesamten Körper zu machen.\n\nUnd sie sagen halt, der große Vorteil ist, es hat keinen Impact auf dich, also gesundheitlich, es dauert nur 60 Sekunden und Du hast halt halt 'n Full Body Scan, ne. Das heißt also, sowohl von deinen Organen als auch von deinem von deiner Muskulatur, dein Fettgewebe, wie es da deine Knochendichte steht plus auch Organe hab ich gesagt, wahrscheinlich hab ich auch gar nicht schon gesagt, aber genau. Also alles relevant in deinem Körper und dann kannst Du direkt da wissen so, hey, so steht's meinen Körper. So weit der Ansatz. Ich glaub, Dennis guckt grade das Video und ist grade überzeugt.\n\nSpeaker 2: Weil die ist ja gar nicht mit dem Kopf unter Wasser gefahren.\n\nSpeaker 1: Na ja, ich glaub, das ist in dem Video noch nicht so, also also theoretisch musst Du auch mit dem Kopf wahrscheinlich drunter sein oder zumindest müssen die Sensoren dort sein. Also per se denk ich mir erst mal cool, ne, deswegen also nicht so abwegig. Du hast halt, wie gesagt, diese sehr neue Bilder, aus denen Du irgendwie dann 1 1 1 Bodyscan machen sollst. Aber natürlich gibt es bereits jetzt schon kritische Stimmen. Also Leute, die also Ahnung von Physik haben und den menschlichen Körper, die also die die die sagen die sagen nämlich auch so, na ja, also es hat ja auch 'n Grund, warum Du 'n Ultraschall nicht überall ansetzt, ne.\n\nAlso wie jeder von uns hatte wahrscheinlich mal 'n Ultraschall, ne. Also es ist halt sehr, sehr gut für irgendwie Dinge, die nah an der Haut dran sind, ne. Also beispielsweise hier, Schilddrüse wird häufig gemacht, Nieren werden häufig gemacht.\n\nSpeaker 0: Nieren werden\n\nSpeaker 2: ja genau.\n\nSpeaker 1: Bei hier natürlich Kinder, die dann im im Mutterleib angeschaut werden. So, dafür ist das sehr gut, aber niemand macht 'n Ultraschall für fürs Gehirn oder so. Nie niemand untersucht dein Herz mit 'nem Ultraschall, so, weil das halt einfach nicht darauf ausgelegt ist. Und da sagen halt die ganzen kritischen Stimmen schon, na ja, also wie soll Ultraschall das machen? So, das durchdringt halt einfach nicht so weit deinen Körper und man kann kein richtiges Bild daraus erzeugen, wie's dann Ebenen tiefer dann ausschaut.\n\nVon daher ist wahrscheinlich das, woran Midjourney Medical jetzt erst mal dran ist, da irgendwie 'n Proof of Concept zu machen, so zu schauen, hey, kriegen wir's trotzdem hin? Müssen wir irgendwie die Ultraschallschraube noch mal krasser aufdrehen oder so was, dann wirklich noch mal stärkere Bilder zu generieren oder ist es halt einfach für die Katz am Ende? Aber irgendwie dachte ich mir, es klingt am Anfang sehr, sehr weird und ich geborene auch recht diese Reaktion so hä, was soll das jetzt so, Jan? Das ergibt zu 100 Prozent Sinn. Aber dann denke ich mir so, ach, okay, interessanter Ansatz, interessanter Engel, einfach mal das auf die Ebene zu nehmen.\n\nSpeaker 0: Also ich glaub, auf soner gewissen Ebene macht dieses, wenn Du bei jedem Spa Besuch, wo Du quasi dich in den Wollpool setzt, auch automatisch 'n 'n Ganzkörperbild von dir mitnehmen könntest, hat das natürlich schon irgendwie coole Side Effects, ne.\n\nSpeaker 1: Du kannst\n\nSpeaker 0: so Trends einfacher erfassen. Du kannst vielleicht son gewisse Diagnosen auch irgendwie am laufenden Band stellen, so. Alles cool. Aber diese diese Selbstverständlichkeit, wie sie so an dieses Thema rangehen, das ist einfach so, weiß nicht, das ist so Silicon Valley Add it's Corsa. Ja.\n\nNatürlich bauen wir son goldenes Spa und natürlich haben wir bis 20 28 50000 dieser Geräte im Einsatz Ja. Und werden hier irgendwie dein dein Medical Verständnis irgendwie revolutionieren und so. Ja. Das ist schon so.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja. Ja, Matthias, weil Du weil Du grad weil Du grad 2028 gesagt hast, die Plan ist natürlich bis Ende 2027 so.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, den die den Einladen, aber auf der Webseite steht auch so bis 28. Wollen Sie die waren\n\nSpeaker 1: nur auf 5\n\nSpeaker 2: Euro Die 5000 wollen Sie 31 haben.\n\nSpeaker 1: Haben. Ah, so.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, also dann dann dann schaffen Sie das, ja.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, das ist realistisch, ja.\n\nSpeaker 0: Aber ich\n\nSpeaker 1: muss sagen, was aber wie Du gesagt hast, ne, so dieses Silicon Valley Versprechen so oder generell auch in diesem AI Space ja auch so, ne, so oh, General, hier AGI wird wird es bald geben und so. Alle jagen Aberseits ist\n\nSpeaker 2: der 1. Satz, also Und das sich schon auch bewusst, dass Ja.\n\nSpeaker 1: Und das mag wenn wir\n\nSpeaker 0: so 'n bisschen crazy sein, Leute. 27 wieder in Kalifornien sein sollten, weil wir, weiß ich nicht, bei der Google I o vielleicht endlich mal eingeladen werden oder wieder bei der Cloud Next sind oder keine Ahnung. Und die haben dieses Ding schon auf, so, dann machen wir einen programmierbare Research Trip Ja. In das Mid Germany Spa und lassen uns da ultraschall mal\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, Ja, weil das gibt's ja auch da Hot Tabs und so.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, also genau und und auch also so auch so Coldplanspart, keine Ahnung. Also alles, was man sonst ausm Spa kennt so. Das ist halt so.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ich hätt einmal kurz in den Genau.\n\nSpeaker 1: Sprühbody Scan.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja. Becken. Verrückt. Schöner neue Welt. Verrückt.\n\nWunderbar.\n\nSpeaker 0: Wenn ihr das nicht schafft, 20 27 nach Kalifornien zu reisen, da ins Bad zu gehen, dann haben wir noch einen kleinen Tipp für euch, der vielleicht viel näher liegt. Nämlich in Köln. Ah. Und ihr müsst auch nicht bis 20 27 warten, sondern ihr könnt am vierten September 20 26 zu den Azure Community Days, Azure Community Day ist, glaube ich, nur ein Tag, nach Köln fahren. Ich bin da drüber gestolpert, weil unsere ehemalige Podcastgast, Speaker AI und Engineering Culture und so was alles.\n\nUnd ihr habt Julia bei uns schon 'n Podcast gehört, auf Meetup gesehen und ihr werdet sie auch bestimmt wieder auf der Programmierkonten sehen. Und wer so lange nicht warten kann, kann vorher jetzt schon mal nach Käufern. Es gibt 'n paar andere coole Talks.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ich hab\n\nSpeaker 0: mir mal die Agenda angeguckt. Es geht Desaster Recovery. Es gibt 'n coolen Talk von Roland Goller, den man immer zuhören kann, wenn man mal wieder 'n coolen Pep Talk braucht. Und von daher, vielleicht sieht man sich dann im September da. Das noch als kleiner Servicehinweis am Ende.\n\nSpeaker 1: Geil. Yes.\n\nSpeaker 0: Bist Du auch am Start, Dave?\n\nSpeaker 1: Ich sag mal, ein eindeutiges vielleicht.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, das ist sehr eindeutig. Wunderbar. Dann bleibt uns für diese Woche nichts anderes zu sagen als danke, dass ihr alle wieder hier am Start wart. Danke, dass ihr zu gehabt habt. Wenn ihr Fragen, Anregungen, Kritik und Feedback habt, dann immer gerne an Podcast at Programmier Punkt bar oder ihr hinterlasst einfach einen Sams up Sams Down in eurem Podcastplayer oder ihr hinterlasst ein Kommentar, Feedback, Rating auf der Plattform eurer Wahl und wir hören uns.\n\nDann wieder nächste Woche. Bis deine\n\nSpeaker 1: Tschau. Bis auch schön mit euch. Tschüssi.",[22395,22408,22413,22420,22427,22440,22444,22448,22453,22457,22466,22474,22478,22483,22487,22491,22503,22508,22517,22521,22526,22534,22539,22551,22555,22559,22571,22577,22583,22587,22591,22601,22613,22620,22626,22630,22638,22650,22655,22660,22671,22676,22688,22696,22705,22711,22720,22724,22728,22737,22740,22752,22759,22763,22767,22774,22781,22785,22789,22795,22808,22820,22824,22830,22834,22839,22843,22855,22859,22863,22867,22873,22877,22885,22892,22905,22911,22915,22922,22929,22941,22948,22952,22956,22960,22964,22975,22979,22991,23004,23010,23014,23026,23039,23044,23048,23056,23069,23079,23085,23089,23093,23097,23103,23110,23114,23118,23122,23127,23138,23151,23158,23162,23175,23187,23191,23195,23199,23205,23208,23220,23233,23238,23242,23255,23264,23272,23285,23296,23306,23311,23314,23323,23335,23340,23349,23361,23373,23386,23393,23402,23406,23418,23430,23439,23450,23454,23465,23477,23490,23497,23503,23507,23516,23526,23531,23535,23548,23560,23564,23570,23582,23594,23606,23616,23620,23630,23640,23652,23658,23662,23668,23679,23691,23702,23706,23714,23718,23722,23728,23732,23737,23747,23759,23765,23771,23777,23781,23790,23798,23802,23815,23828,23841,23845,23858,23866,23870,23874,23886,23899,23903,23907,23918,23927,23932,23938,23942,23946,23951,23955,23959,23963,23969,23975,23979,23990,23994,24002,24006,24010,24018,24021,24033,24041,24045,24058,24062,24066,24070,24082,24088],{"sentences":22396,"speaker":126,"num_words":22407,"start":124,"end":360},[22397,22399,22401,22403,22405],{"text":22398,"start":124,"end":193},"Hallo und herzlich willkommen zu 1 neuen Ausgabe der programmierbaren News heute in Kalenderwoche 28 und 20 26.",{"text":22400,"start":198,"end":220},"Wir haben quasi die Hälfte schon geschafft.",{"text":22402,"start":220,"end":263},"Ich weiß nicht, was Dennis grade mit seinen Handzeichen bewirken will.",{"text":22404,"start":267,"end":281},"Ich ich glaube, okay.",{"text":22406,"start":281,"end":360},"Aber ich hoffe, darauf hinweisen, dass nicht nur ich hier bin heute, sondern neben mir im Studio sitzen auch noch",60,{"sentences":22409,"speaker":106,"num_words":22412,"start":363,"end":396},[22410],{"text":22411,"start":363,"end":396},"Dave AKA, David Krusitzky AKA der saftige Boy.",8,{"sentences":22414,"speaker":403,"num_words":22419,"start":400,"end":434},[22415,22417],{"text":22416,"start":400,"end":411},"Und Dennis Becker.",{"text":22418,"start":411,"end":434},"Das bist Du, das bin ich.",9,{"sentences":22421,"speaker":126,"num_words":22426,"start":438,"end":553},[22422,22424],{"text":22423,"start":438,"end":506},"Ich merk jetzt Erde, dass ihr mich grade voll trollen wollt, weil ihr euren Namen vertauscht habt im Videofeed.",{"text":22425,"start":506,"end":553},"War das mit sich oder irgendjemand nur sich an den falschen Platz gesetzt?",32,{"sentences":22428,"speaker":106,"num_words":22439,"start":558,"end":702},[22429,22431,22433,22435,22437],{"text":22430,"start":558,"end":610},"Nee, ich glaub, Dennis hat das nicht ganz gerafft, wer wo sitzen soll und Ja.",{"text":22432,"start":615,"end":644},"Hab ich zweimal umpositioniert und jetzt ist es falsch.",{"text":22434,"start":644,"end":657},"Aber ist ja auch okay.",{"text":22436,"start":661,"end":689},"Oh, ich fühl's auch heute bisschen, Dennis Becker zu sein.",{"text":22438,"start":693,"end":702},"Und ich, wunderbar.",42,{"sentences":22441,"speaker":126,"num_words":403,"start":706,"end":712},[22442],{"text":22443,"start":706,"end":712},"Ich fühl",{"sentences":22445,"speaker":106,"num_words":403,"start":712,"end":719},[22446],{"text":22447,"start":712,"end":719},"die saftig.",{"sentences":22449,"speaker":126,"num_words":22452,"start":719,"end":733},[22450],{"text":22451,"start":719,"end":733},"Ich fühl mich saftig.",4,{"sentences":22454,"speaker":403,"num_words":22452,"start":735,"end":748},[22455],{"text":22456,"start":735,"end":748},"Ich stehe im Saft.",{"sentences":22458,"speaker":126,"num_words":22465,"start":751,"end":916},[22459,22461,22463],{"text":22460,"start":751,"end":807},"Wir wollen heute nicht nur über Saftigkeit sprechen, sondern wir sprechen über Strafen der Europäischen Union gegen Google.",{"text":22462,"start":807,"end":893},"Wir sprechen noch mal über das Thema AI versus Open Source und Dave hat den größten Plot Twist der AI Geschichte mitgebracht und will über Mitjournil sprechen.",{"text":22464,"start":893,"end":916},"Da sind wir mal sehr gespannt.",51,{"sentences":22467,"speaker":106,"num_words":22473,"start":920,"end":998},[22468,22469,22471],{"text":924,"start":920,"end":921},{"text":22470,"start":926,"end":937},"Und Richtiger Cliffhanger.",{"text":22472,"start":942,"end":998},"Man muss auf jeden Fall bis zum Ende bleiben, weil das ist echt 'n richtig krasses Thema.",21,{"sentences":22475,"speaker":403,"num_words":22452,"start":998,"end":1013},[22476],{"text":22477,"start":998,"end":1013},"Kommt vielleicht nicht am",{"sentences":22479,"speaker":126,"num_words":22482,"start":1013,"end":1025},[22480],{"text":22481,"start":1013,"end":1025},"Ende, aber Ja.",3,{"sentences":22484,"speaker":403,"num_words":403,"start":1029,"end":1036},[22485],{"text":22486,"start":1029,"end":1036},"Ohne aus.",{"sentences":22488,"speaker":106,"num_words":22482,"start":1036,"end":1052},[22489],{"text":22490,"start":1036,"end":1052},"Ach so, Ohr.",{"sentences":22492,"speaker":126,"num_words":22502,"start":1057,"end":1240},[22493,22495,22496,22498,22500],{"text":22494,"start":1057,"end":1121},"Bevor wir ans Eingemachte gehen, haben wir noch ein bisschen Housekeeping zu veranstalten und zwar hab ich noch einmal 000.",{"text":612,"start":1126,"end":1127},{"text":22497,"start":1127,"end":1181},"Was das können wir jetzt so als Jingle irgendwie rausschneiden und dann an jeder Stelle wieder einspielen.",{"text":22499,"start":1181,"end":1195},"Nicht schlecht, Dave.",{"text":22501,"start":1199,"end":1240},"Ach so, Dennis, dann wär doch den Transcriptchen Bot bitte nicht so.",53,{"sentences":22504,"speaker":126,"num_words":22507,"start":1240,"end":1266},[22505],{"text":22506,"start":1240,"end":1266},"Ach so, Momenten quasi alle ausverkauft sein.",7,{"sentences":22509,"speaker":403,"num_words":22516,"start":1266,"end":1309},[22510,22511,22513,22514,22515],{"text":612,"start":1266,"end":1269},{"text":22512,"start":1269,"end":1294},"Was sagt, Claudia sagt Mitte August.",{"text":1301,"start":1298,"end":1299},{"text":1306,"start":1299,"end":1304},{"text":612,"start":1308,"end":1309},10,{"sentences":22518,"speaker":403,"num_words":22412,"start":1309,"end":1333},[22519],{"text":22520,"start":1309,"end":1333},"Was ist die Prediction, wann wir ausverkauft sind?",{"sentences":22522,"speaker":126,"num_words":22525,"start":1337,"end":1390},[22523],{"text":22524,"start":1337,"end":1390},"Ja, also Challenge an die Community ist einfach unsere AI Analyse, unseren AI AI irgendwie zu toppen.",17,{"sentences":22527,"speaker":106,"num_words":22419,"start":1394,"end":1427},[22528,22530,22532],{"text":22529,"start":1394,"end":1410},"Nee oder grade Ja, genau.",{"text":22531,"start":1414,"end":1420},"Zu 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ja.",{"sentences":22980,"speaker":126,"num_words":22990,"start":5966,"end":6364},[22981,22983,22985,22986,22988],{"text":22982,"start":5966,"end":6063},"Da das halt auch ein Open Source Projekt und die haben ein 1 Issue aufgemacht, in der es darum ging, die komplette Testsuite aus dem offenen Repository in ein geschlossenes Repository zu bewegen.",{"text":22984,"start":6067,"end":6247},"Und zwar war der Hintergrund eben, dass wir das jetzt ja schon 'n paarmal bei größeren Projekten gesehen haben, dass jemand daherkommt, sich quasi die Testsuite nimmt und dann mithilfe von der Air so lange quasi ein Vergleichs-, Konkurrenz Nachbauprodukt baut, bis eben all diese Tests wieder befriedigt sind und dann sagt, na ja, dementsprechend, man darf hier nicht befriedigt sagen, ohne Dave zu trinken.",{"text":6254,"start":6252,"end":6253},{"text":22987,"start":6256,"end":6341},"Aber wenn die Testsuite quasi durchläuft, dann ist unser gewweibe, coatedes, slop Fork, wie auch immer Produkt quasi genauso gut wie das Original und danke für die Mitarbeit.",{"text":22989,"start":6341,"end":6364},"Und das wollten Sie eben an der Stelle verhindern.",136,{"sentences":22992,"speaker":126,"num_words":23003,"start":6367,"end":6533},[22993,22995,22997,22999,23001],{"text":22994,"start":6367,"end":6406},"Das hat auf GitHub sone etwas größere Diskussion darüber ausgelöst, so, ist das sinnvoll?",{"text":22996,"start":6411,"end":6419},"Lohnt sich das überhaupt?",{"text":22998,"start":6422,"end":6436},"Ist der Test tatsächlich das Ausschlaggebende?",{"text":23000,"start":6440,"end":6461},"Also ne, inwieweit ist sone Maßnahme irgendwie sinnvoll?",{"text":23002,"start":6463,"end":6533},"Und da hat's dann so die Diskussion son bisschen darum gedreht, bis der Issue Author dann nach 'n paar Tagen, Kommentaren, wie auch immer ankam.",57,{"sentences":23005,"speaker":126,"num_words":23003,"start":6533,"end":6693},[23006,23008],{"text":23007,"start":6533,"end":6595},"Der, ja, das war ja alles gar nicht so ernst gemeint und er wollte nur mal hier sone Diskussion lostreten und danke fürs Gespräch.",{"text":23009,"start":6595,"end":6693},"Er lässt jetzt diese Issue immer offen, damit er noch 'n bisschen weiter diskutiert werden kann, aber es war nie wirklich im Absicht von THE ADR, das das wirklich, in Anführungszeichen, wirklich durchzuziehen.",{"sentences":23011,"speaker":106,"num_words":22659,"start":6696,"end":6711},[23012],{"text":23013,"start":6696,"end":6711},"Das heißt, ich bin weiterhin drin?",{"sentences":23015,"speaker":126,"num_words":23025,"start":6715,"end":6882},[23016,23017,23019,23021,23023],{"text":612,"start":6715,"end":6716},{"text":23018,"start":6719,"end":6722},"Ah, okay.",{"text":23020,"start":6724,"end":6772},"Und also er sagt auch ganz realistisch, er gibt am Ende noch mal sone Summary und die ist schon auch lesenswert.",{"text":23022,"start":6775,"end":6852},"Sagt, na ja, also die Tests rauszunehmen und den Quelltext halt öffentlich zu lassen, ist halt auch nur bedingt sinnvoll, weil dann gibst Du halt immer noch viel her, ja.",{"text":23024,"start":6855,"end":6882},"Die Testsuite ist ja außerdem aus dem fertigen Produkt auch reproduzierbar.",65,{"sentences":23027,"speaker":126,"num_words":23038,"start":6886,"end":7286},[23028,23030,23032,23034,23036],{"text":23029,"start":6886,"end":6973},"Also ich kann mir auch einfach das Produkt nehmen und selbst wenn ich den Quelltext nicht kopieren will, sagen, schreib mir halt erst mal eine Testsuite dagegen und dann nehme ich die Testsuite so raus, ja.",{"text":23031,"start":6976,"end":7033},"Er hat auch irgendwie zugegeben, dass dieses Aufspitten von Produkt und Testsuite halt auch vollkommen unpraktikabel wär an jeglicher Stelle.",{"text":23033,"start":7033,"end":7110},"Also es würde sie langsamer machen, es würde das Ganze den ganzen CIron instabiler machen und so weiter und so fort, was ich auch alles unterschreiben würde.",{"text":23035,"start":7113,"end":7213},"Und ja, aber man sieht tatsächlich einfach an den an den Kommentaren und Reactions, die's an diesem ganzen Thread so gab, dass die die Gefahr, die sie sehen, halt schon nicht von der Hand zu weisen ist irgendwie, ja.",{"text":23037,"start":7213,"end":7286},"Und dann die Leute halt im Prinzip sich nur darin unterscheiden, ob sie halt sagen so, ne, ist halt AI Schulterzucken muss man so nehmen, wie man will.",150,{"sentences":23040,"speaker":126,"num_words":23043,"start":7286,"end":7339},[23041],{"text":23042,"start":7286,"end":7339},"Oder ob man halt son bisschen die reaktionäre Ecke fällt und sagt so, wir müssen uns aber irgendwie dagegen wehren,",20,{"sentences":23045,"speaker":403,"num_words":403,"start":7343,"end":7347},[23046,23047],{"text":1242,"start":7343,"end":7344},{"text":2562,"start":7344,"end":7347},{"sentences":23049,"speaker":106,"num_words":22654,"start":7347,"end":7457},[23050,23052,23054],{"text":23051,"start":7347,"end":7390},"Hast hast hast Du hast da irgendwie so eine Ahnung, was so das Meinungsbild in den Kommentaren war?",{"text":23053,"start":7390,"end":7418},"Also Großteil dagegen, Großteil so, na ja, ist halt so.",{"text":23055,"start":7420,"end":7457},"Sehen wir's, was da so im im Kopf geblieben ist aus den Also",{"sentences":23057,"speaker":126,"num_words":23068,"start":7457,"end":7672},[23058,23060,23062,23064,23066],{"text":23059,"start":7457,"end":7527},"selbst die Leute, die gesagt haben, man müsste sich irgendwie gegen AI verteidigen, haben jetzt auch gesagt, die Testsuite zu verstecken, ist wahrscheinlich nicht der Schlüssel dazu.",{"text":23061,"start":7531,"end":7554},"So, ja, aus den grade genannten Punkten schon.",{"text":23063,"start":7554,"end":7591},"Und die Frage ist dann eher, schafft man das mit 'nem Ding?",{"text":23065,"start":7594,"end":7611},"Schafft man das mit mit anderen Guidelines?",{"text":23067,"start":7615,"end":7672},"Und es gab halt auch Stimmen, die gesagt haben, also ehrlicherweise liegt das wahrscheinlich auch nicht an T-Adraw, dieses Problem zu lösen.",76,{"sentences":23070,"speaker":126,"num_words":23078,"start":7672,"end":7835},[23071,23072,23074,23076],{"text":612,"start":7672,"end":7675},{"text":23073,"start":7675,"end":7724},"So, ja, sondern da gibt's ja auch viel größere Projekte, die 'n viel größeres Incentive vielleicht daran haben.",{"text":23075,"start":7727,"end":7790},"Und ja, und das führt uns vielleicht direkt zum nächsten Projekt, was sich in den letzten 2 Wochen mit AI beschäftigt hat, nämlich Goddeaux.",{"text":23077,"start":7794,"end":7835},"Goddeaux, eine Game Engine und das ist so ziemlich genau alles, was ich darüber weiß.",58,{"sentences":23080,"speaker":106,"num_words":22538,"start":7839,"end":7877},[23081,23083],{"text":23082,"start":7839,"end":7866},"Eine der wenigen populären Kostenlosen, würde ich sagen.",{"text":23084,"start":7868,"end":7877},"Also man kennt ja",{"sentences":23086,"speaker":126,"num_words":22659,"start":7879,"end":7900},[23087],{"text":23088,"start":7879,"end":7900},"Also die große Welt laufenden, ne,",{"sentences":23090,"speaker":106,"num_words":403,"start":7900,"end":7905},[23091],{"text":23092,"start":7900,"end":7905},"weil Du",{"sentences":23094,"speaker":126,"num_words":22412,"start":7905,"end":7925},[23095],{"text":23096,"start":7905,"end":7925},"kannst ja auch diese anderen kostenlos benutzen, aber",{"sentences":23098,"speaker":106,"num_words":22465,"start":7927,"end":8070},[23099,23101],{"text":23100,"start":7927,"end":7985},"Ach so, ja, ja, stimmt, genau, true, true, genau, genau, weil sonst können wir ja und Unreal Engine so.",{"text":23102,"start":7985,"end":8070},"Und das sind so die großen, für die man natürlich irgendwann eine Lizenz zahlen muss, wenn Du eine gewisse Größe hast und glaub, gut aus, komplett kostenlos und halt auch einsehbar, genau.",{"sentences":23104,"speaker":126,"num_words":23109,"start":8072,"end":8113},[23105,23107],{"text":23106,"start":8072,"end":8094},"Wir haben noch nie was mit Kodooz gemacht, oder?",{"text":23108,"start":8094,"end":8113},"Frag ich mich hier so in die",16,{"sentences":23111,"speaker":106,"num_words":403,"start":8115,"end":8120},[23112],{"text":23113,"start":8115,"end":8120},"Aber Aber",{"sentences":23115,"speaker":403,"num_words":403,"start":8122,"end":8128},[23116],{"text":23117,"start":8122,"end":8128},"Aber aber",{"sentences":23119,"speaker":126,"num_words":22452,"start":8128,"end":8140},[23120],{"text":23121,"start":8128,"end":8140},"sind wir dabei, ja.",{"sentences":23123,"speaker":106,"num_words":22419,"start":8140,"end":8166},[23124,23126],{"text":23125,"start":8140,"end":8164},"Ich glaub, es ist eine Evaluierungsphase oder so.",{"text":612,"start":8164,"end":8166},{"sentences":23128,"speaker":126,"num_words":23137,"start":8168,"end":8873},[23129,23131,23133,23135],{"text":23130,"start":8168,"end":8213},"Na ja, dann ist ja das vielleicht tatsächlich noch relevanter für uns hier, was da jetzt grade kommt.",{"text":23132,"start":8213,"end":8362},"Und zwar hat sich auch Godot damit beschäftigt, so wie gehen wir mit AI und wie viele andere Open Source Projekte leiden sie natürlich unter der Menge an AI generierten Pull Requests, die son bisschen über sie einbricht und haben dementsprechend eine sehr, sehr explizite Policy aufgestellt, wie sie in Zukunft damit umgehen wollen.",{"text":23134,"start":8362,"end":8542},"Bevor wir auf die einzelnen Verbote oder Policy Regeln kommen, es gab einen Absatz in dem Blogpostinsel zu veröffentlichen haben, den ich eigentlich ganz cool fand, wo ich gesagt hab, na ja, PRs zu Reviewen, insbesondere PRs von Leuten, die halt nicht zum Core Team oder zu den bekannten Maintenern und Contributtern gehören, war halt schon immer viel Arbeit.",{"text":23136,"start":8546,"end":8873},"Aber sie haben sich das quasi bisher schön geredet oder zumindest das Gefühl gehabt, dass es sich lohnt, weil Du bringst halt Leuten was bei und 'n Teil der Leute wird vielleicht oder zu dem Projekt und es ist halt son Investment in die Community, ja, wenn Du halt Leuten erklärst, so, hey, nein, so funktioniert unsere Architektur nicht und mach das doch bitte eher so und andersrum und Und haben halt schon das Gefühl, dass bei AI generierten Pull Requests, wo Du am Ende halt nur mit sonem Bot sprichst und der der GitHub User, der da vermeintlich hinten dran steht, halt da gar nicht mehr irgendwie im Loop ist, dass halt alles son bisschen verschenkte Arbeit ist, ja, weil sich ja da kein permanentes Wissen irgendwie aufbaut.",260,{"sentences":23139,"speaker":126,"num_words":23150,"start":8873,"end":9192},[23140,23142,23144,23146,23148],{"text":23141,"start":8873,"end":8902},"Also diese Tools auch einfach noch nicht so weit sind, ne.",{"text":23143,"start":8902,"end":8962},"Rein theoretisch könnte man ja sagen, na ja, solange diese Diskussion öffentlich auf GitHub geführt wird, könnte die ja schon auch zurückfließen, ja.",{"text":23145,"start":8962,"end":9081},"Der Nächste, der 'n Pull Request aufmacht, kann sich die vorherigen Pull Requests angucken und könnte quasi auch daraus lernen, aber das passiert ja aktuell de facto so noch nicht und dementsprechend sagen sie, okay, das das lohnt sich halt einfach nicht für uns an der Stelle.",{"text":23147,"start":9083,"end":9158},"So, das fand ich mal 'n ganz ehrlichen Take, wollte ich deshalb auch erwähnen und jetzt können wir ganz kurz so die die sehr expliziten Regeln durchgehen, die Sie so gesagt haben.",{"text":23149,"start":9160,"end":9192},"So, also keine AI Agents und kein Vipe recodetes Zeug.",123,{"sentences":23152,"speaker":126,"num_words":23157,"start":9195,"end":9361},[23153,23155],{"text":23154,"start":9195,"end":9297},"Wenn rauskommt, dass dein Pull Request da quasi nur hingehweibt ist und Du da nicht selber deine Hände mit im Spiel hattest, kriegst Du direkt 'n Autobahn aus dem Repository und das war's dann so für dich.",{"text":23156,"start":9300,"end":9361},"Wenn deine AI contributed zu deinem Pull Request, dann solltest Du sehr genau ausführen, welche Teile AI generiert sind und vielleicht auch",59,{"sentences":23159,"speaker":403,"num_words":403,"start":9363,"end":9367},[23160],{"text":23161,"start":9363,"end":9367},"warum und",{"sentences":23163,"speaker":126,"num_words":23174,"start":9367,"end":9675},[23164,23166,23168,23170,23172],{"text":23165,"start":9367,"end":9391},"warum Du glaubst, dass das unproblematisch ist so, ja.",{"text":23167,"start":9391,"end":9559},"Da kann ich mir schon vorstellen, ne, Also wie gesagt, ich kenn Goodol jetzt nicht von innen, aber wenn man so an andere Projekte und Frameworks denkt, wenn da jetzt so DTOs erzeugt werden oder so was, wo man sagt, okay, das sind halt irgendwie leere Klassen mit 'n paar Filz und Properties drin, die musst Du nicht alle von Hand schreiben.",{"text":23169,"start":9564,"end":9570},"Sobiert, ja.",{"text":23171,"start":9573,"end":9608},"Und es darf kein AI generierter Text in der Kommunikation verwendet werden.",{"text":23173,"start":9608,"end":9675},"Also das heißt, die die Diskussion, die muss tatsächlich zwischen Menschen stattfinden und darf nicht quasi ein Goodoo Maintainer mit deinem Bot nur irgendwie sein.",110,{"sentences":23176,"speaker":126,"num_words":23186,"start":9677,"end":9896},[23177,23179,23181,23183,23184],{"text":23178,"start":9677,"end":9761},"Und am Ende, das ist quasi so die einzige Regel, die sie sich selbst auferlegen so, versprechen sie quasi im Gegenzug, dass sie alle purequests und Reviews halt auch von Menschen approven lassen.",{"text":23180,"start":9761,"end":9812},"Was nicht, wenn man das ganz genau liest, was nicht heißt, dass es keine AI contributions dazu geben kann, ne.",{"text":23182,"start":9812,"end":9874},"Also man kann ja automatische Checks oder so was von mit AI machen, aber am Ende muss die Entscheidung quasi von 'nem Menschen getroffen werden.",{"text":9880,"start":9876,"end":9877},{"text":23185,"start":9883,"end":9896},"Human in the Loop bei Godot",85,{"sentences":23188,"speaker":106,"num_words":403,"start":9896,"end":9903},[23189,23190],{"text":9900,"start":9896,"end":9898},{"text":9905,"start":9902,"end":9903},{"sentences":23192,"speaker":126,"num_words":22507,"start":9907,"end":9926},[23193],{"text":23194,"start":9907,"end":9926},"Ja, also Wie hast Du Dennis, ich",{"sentences":23196,"speaker":106,"num_words":22659,"start":9926,"end":9942},[23197],{"text":23198,"start":9926,"end":9942},"muss den Dennis ja heute spielen.",{"sentences":23200,"speaker":126,"num_words":23068,"start":9945,"end":10138},[23201,23203],{"text":23202,"start":9945,"end":10026},"Auch dazu gab's so, er gab's son paar interessante Reaktionen dann in der in der Diskussion und natürlich wurde auch darauf hingewiesen, dass der AI schon an anderer Stellen genutzt wird.",{"text":23204,"start":10026,"end":10138},"Aber ich glaub, auch da geht's son bisschen die Frage der Verhältnismäßigkeit am Ende, So und jetzt weiß ich nicht, wen ich dir angucken muss, den Dave Dennis oder den Dennis Dave, wer will jetzt hier den den AI Gegen take oder den Supermarkt machen?",{"sentences":23206,"speaker":106,"num_words":22482,"start":10140,"end":10147},[23207],{"text":22499,"start":10140,"end":10147},{"sentences":23209,"speaker":403,"num_words":23219,"start":10150,"end":10336},[23210,23211,23213,23215,23217],{"text":10154,"start":10150,"end":10151},{"text":23212,"start":10151,"end":10169},"2 2 Dinge eigentlich, glaube ich.",{"text":23214,"start":10169,"end":10206},"Also erstens, ich kann es erst mal so die Initialreaktion kann ich verstehen.",{"text":23216,"start":10206,"end":10294},"So, wenn Du son Repository hast und ne, jeder fühlt sich jetzt enable da reinzupushen und Du kriegst da wirst einfach nicht mehr her, so der der Pull Request und so, die da passieren.",{"text":23218,"start":10298,"end":10336},"Kann ich verstehen, dass man das begrenzen muss in irgend 'ner Art und Weise.",68,{"sentences":23221,"speaker":403,"num_words":23232,"start":10339,"end":10670},[23222,23224,23226,23228,23230],{"text":23223,"start":10339,"end":10378},"Und auf der anderen Seite frage ich mich halt, wie lange das der Zustand ist so.",{"text":23225,"start":10378,"end":10433},"Ich mein, das ist ja, ja, das ist ja die Prämisse dahinter ist ja irgendwie, dass AI, also warum passiert das?",{"text":23227,"start":10433,"end":10483},"Weil halt irgendwie halb schlaue Leute denken, ah, ich mach da was und da irgendwie was, ne, irgendwas committen so.",{"text":23229,"start":10483,"end":10619},"Das ist ja jetzt nicht, weil jemand, der irgendwie sich mit dem Projekt auskennt oder was weiß ich, mit dem Projekt auskennt, aber irgendwie das vernünftig vernünftig in den Kontext bringt und so weiter, der sich damit beschäftigt hat, was man irgendwie erwarten würde und und da in einen Trade Quest stellt.",{"text":23231,"start":10622,"end":10670},"Aber trotzdem ist ja unter der Prämisse, dass AI das nicht so gut kann wie ein 1 Jungen und so.",129,{"sentences":23234,"speaker":403,"num_words":22412,"start":10670,"end":10691},[23235,23237],{"text":23236,"start":10670,"end":10687},"Und daran glaube ich halt mittelfristig nicht.",{"text":405,"start":10690,"end":10691},{"sentences":23239,"speaker":106,"num_words":403,"start":10691,"end":10697},[23240],{"text":23241,"start":10691,"end":10697},"dann ist",{"sentences":23243,"speaker":403,"num_words":23254,"start":10697,"end":11118},[23244,23246,23248,23250,23252],{"text":23245,"start":10697,"end":10752},"ja nur die Frage, wo diese Schwelle ist, wo das dann irgendwann halt umschwappt und wo man das dann vielleicht nicht mehr braucht.",{"text":23247,"start":10752,"end":10922},"Und ich sehe auch noch nicht, ja, also ne, vielleicht musst Du dann diese Regeln halt noch außenrum bisschen auch da wieder einfach straffer machen und sagen, hey, das sind die Dinge und da ist jetzt in deinem ganzen Workflow und so was, auf die Sachen müssen wir achten bei Go Do aus 'ner Architekturellen Sicht, das Projekt in die Richtung zu entwickeln, die wir es wollen.",{"text":23249,"start":10922,"end":11015},"Also Du musst ja irgendwie 'n bisschen was vorgeben, weil sonst kann ja 1 anfangen daraus eine, was weiß ich, irgendwas, was halt keine Game Engine ist zu machen, weil der denkt das irgendwie smart oder so.",{"text":23251,"start":11015,"end":11045},"Na ja, also irgend eine Idee muss der da dran haben.",{"text":23253,"start":11045,"end":11118},"Aber ja, mittelfristig und vielleicht auch kurzfristig ist AI, wird eher in der Lage sein, da zu contributen in 'nem sinnvollen, in 'ner sinnvollen Art und Weise.",165,{"sentences":23256,"speaker":126,"num_words":22904,"start":11120,"end":11205},[23257,23258,23260,23262],{"text":2562,"start":11120,"end":11121},{"text":23259,"start":11121,"end":11147},"Also ich glaube, es geht gar nicht so sehr Qualität.",{"text":23261,"start":11147,"end":11198},"Hat irgendeiner von euch schon mal 'n Open Source Repository gewartet, verwaltet, geount, wie auch immer, irgendwas?",{"text":23263,"start":11198,"end":11205},"Die Programmiererwebsite.",{"sentences":23265,"speaker":106,"num_words":23271,"start":11208,"end":11264},[23266,23268,23270],{"text":23267,"start":11208,"end":11240},"Ich hab ich hab mal 'n Podcastfest erstellt und der wurd abgelehnt.",{"text":23269,"start":11244,"end":11258},"Also für für Jumler Jumler.",{"text":11266,"start":11263,"end":11264},18,{"sentences":23273,"speaker":126,"num_words":23284,"start":11269,"end":11629},[23274,23276,23278,23280,23282],{"text":23275,"start":11269,"end":11324},"erzähl man, der das schon mal machen durfte, ja, ganz häufig gehen ja diese Diskussionen nicht Qualität so, ja?",{"text":23277,"start":11324,"end":11357},"Weil Qualität ist ja mittlerweile doch auch ein 1 sehr messbares Ding, ja.",{"text":23279,"start":11357,"end":11479},"Du kannst sagen, hast Du irgendwie Codecoverage und hältst Du dich an unsere Guidelines und hast Du alles nicht gesehen, sondern ganz oft geht es diesen Punkt, ne, Dennis, wie Du auch grade gesagt hast so, ist das das, was wir mit diesem Projekt halt überhaupt erreichen wollen?",{"text":23281,"start":11479,"end":11571},"Ja, fällt das in unseren Scope oder weiß ich, ich kann mir vorstellen, bei Goddot kann ja vielleicht auch die Antwort sein, das wollen wir nicht im Chor, vielleicht musst Du son Plug in dafür schreiben.",{"text":23283,"start":11571,"end":11629},"So und hier ist so das Getting Startet für deinen für deinen Plug in, da kannst Du dich mal 'n bisschen beschäftigen.",138,{"sentences":23286,"speaker":126,"num_words":22465,"start":11632,"end":11757},[23287,23289,23290,23292,23294],{"text":23288,"start":11632,"end":11664},"Und das ist, glaube ich, 'n Teil, der kann so nicht von AI bedient werden.",{"text":612,"start":11667,"end":11668},{"text":23291,"start":11668,"end":11676},"Oh, hi.",{"text":23293,"start":11680,"end":11725},"Weil na ja, weil die diese Diskussion, was wollen wir mit dem Projekt, ja auch ganz oft eine Lebendige ist.",{"text":23295,"start":11725,"end":11757},"So, da müssen dann Leute aus dem Core Team irgendwie darüber diskutieren, Ja.",{"sentences":23297,"speaker":126,"num_words":23219,"start":11760,"end":11929},[23298,23300,23302,23304],{"text":23299,"start":11760,"end":11776},"Wollen wir das, wollen wir das nicht?",{"text":23301,"start":11776,"end":11817},"Und manchmal ist ja auch son PR, wo man erst denkt, das gehört da nicht rein.",{"text":23303,"start":11817,"end":11836},"Manchmal lassen sich auch Leute irgendwie überzeugen.",{"text":23305,"start":11836,"end":11929},"Ich kann schon verstehen, dass die Leute nicht in in dieser Diskussion das Gefühl haben wollen, da mit 'ner Maschine zu sprechen, sondern ihre Philosophie für das Projekt halt schon mit mit jemand anderem diskutieren wollen soll, ne.",{"sentences":23307,"speaker":403,"num_words":23310,"start":11931,"end":12020},[23308],{"text":23309,"start":11931,"end":12020},"Ja, aber für mich wär der Weg vorwärts halt irgendwie genau das zu dokumentieren, was dieser Weg sein soll, weil dann kannst Du ja auch Schranken einbauen, dass der AI die ganzen Pull Request erst mal ablehnt,",37,{"sentences":23312,"speaker":126,"num_words":106,"start":12023,"end":12024},[23313],{"text":612,"start":12023,"end":12024},{"sentences":23315,"speaker":403,"num_words":23322,"start":12027,"end":12290},[23316,23318,23320],{"text":23317,"start":12027,"end":12050},"Wenn sie halt nicht dem gemeinsamen Ziel irgendwie voranbringen.",{"text":23319,"start":12050,"end":12137},"Also ich glaube, da fehlt halt einfach dann das das Außen rum, das zu ermöglichen, was ja auch in der Theorie auch zu 'ner schnelleren Entwicklung von Goluloğan führen wird, ne.",{"text":23321,"start":12137,"end":12290},"Also wenn's auch Geschwindigkeit und Weiterentwicklung geht so, wirst Du mit der ja einfach andere Möglichkeiten haben, als wenn es nur nur Menschen machen und dann musst Du dich vielleicht eher damit beschäftigen, so, wie können wir denn die Rahmenbedingungen schaffen, dass klar ist, was was gewollt ist und was nicht gewollt ist, weil dann kann sich AI auch daran halten.",101,{"sentences":23324,"speaker":126,"num_words":23334,"start":12293,"end":12559},[23325,23327,23329,23331,23332],{"text":23326,"start":12293,"end":12307},"Das ist sicherlich auch richtig, ja.",{"text":23328,"start":12307,"end":12406},"Also ich glaub auch schon, dass 'n Teil der Antwort sein muss, so bessere Triage zu machen, bestimmt auch AI gestützt zu sagen, das sind einfach eine Art von Pull Requests hier ganz viele, die wir nicht haben wollen, ja.",{"text":23330,"start":12406,"end":12476},"Und ich glaub aber auch, dass 'n 'n Teil der Schuld quasi bei den AI Nutzerinnen ist, die vielleicht auch einfach nicht so überqualifiziert an die Sache rangehen.",{"text":612,"start":12479,"end":12480},{"text":23333,"start":12480,"end":12559},"Ja, und dann einfach sobald bei ihnen in Goddot halt irgendwas nicht funktioniert, ihrem Agent sagen, hey, sag doch mal in diesem Bescheid, dass sie halt irgendwas Murks ist.",104,{"sentences":23336,"speaker":126,"num_words":22525,"start":12559,"end":12606},[23337,23338],{"text":612,"start":12559,"end":12562},{"text":23339,"start":12564,"end":12606},"Wo vielleicht bei zweiten oder drittensem Hinsehen dieser Pull Recfest einfach überhaupt gar nicht notwendig wäre.",{"sentences":23341,"speaker":403,"num_words":23348,"start":12609,"end":12809},[23342,23344,23346],{"text":23343,"start":12609,"end":12643},"Deswegen habe ich hier gesagt, kann ich das erst mal nachvollziehen, so, ne.",{"text":23345,"start":12643,"end":12694},"Ich mein, Du sitzt da irgendwie und kriegst den ganzen Müll und weiß nicht, was Du damit anfangen sollst, Ja.",{"text":23347,"start":12696,"end":12809},"Aber ich glaube, meine Richtung, wenn ich die zeitlichen Kapazitäten dazu hätte, wären halt eher da proaktiv in die Zukunft zu blicken und nicht das einzuschränken, sondern eher zu sagen, okay, wie nutze ich beispielsweise AI, den ganzen Herr zu werden?",74,{"sentences":23350,"speaker":106,"num_words":837,"start":12809,"end":12992},[23351,23353,23355,23357,23359],{"text":23352,"start":12809,"end":12853},"Weil weil das ist, also ich find, das ist der relevante Punkt irgendwie, der mir auch aufgefallen ist.",{"text":23354,"start":12853,"end":12869},"Also es ist ja nicht das 1.",{"text":23356,"start":12869,"end":12893},"Mal, dass wir genau über so was reden, ne.",{"text":23358,"start":12893,"end":12924},"Wir haben über SEK geredet, über RUS haben wir geredet.",{"text":23360,"start":12927,"end":12992},"Dann noch hier jemand, der auch innen ja die die Codebasis von dem Open Source Projekt einfach eine Prompt Injection eingebaut hat und so was alles, ne.",{"sentences":23362,"speaker":106,"num_words":22502,"start":12992,"end":13122},[23363,23365,23367,23369,23371],{"text":23364,"start":12992,"end":13027},"Und das sind ja alles so Maßnahmen, einfach so gegen AI zu sein, so ne.",{"text":23366,"start":13027,"end":13037},"Wir wollen das nicht so.",{"text":23368,"start":13037,"end":13062},"Wir arbeiten nicht mit AI, sondern wir wir bannen das jetzt.",{"text":23370,"start":13062,"end":13101},"Und mir fehlt irgendwie so aktuell son bisschen dieser Lösungsansatz zu sagen, Aha, okay.",{"text":23372,"start":13104,"end":13122},"Hey, okay, wir wir wir integrieren das so.",{"sentences":23374,"speaker":106,"num_words":23385,"start":13122,"end":13377},[23375,23377,23379,23381,23383],{"text":23376,"start":13122,"end":13143},"Komm, ah, geh, bann, ja.",{"text":23378,"start":13143,"end":13219},"Aber so wie wie Dennis gesagt hat, ne irgendwie so eine 1 Infrastruktur drumherum zu schaffen, so dass vielleicht auch viel von dem erst mal gesichtet wird durch eine AI.",{"text":23380,"start":13219,"end":13257},"Eine AI sagt, hey, das ist so unproblematisch, das passt auch zur Vision des Produktes.",{"text":23382,"start":13257,"end":13294},"Komm, das geht einfach so rein, das ist so klein, das passt so schlimm.",{"text":23384,"start":13294,"end":13377},"Und irgendwas, was sie nicht bewerten kann, so, hey, ich glaub, das solltet ihr Mantasiner euch mal anschauen so, weil das irgendwie eine 1 andere Richtung einschlägt, ob das irgendwie gewünscht ist oder nicht.",98,{"sentences":23387,"speaker":106,"num_words":23392,"start":13377,"end":13459},[23388,23390],{"text":23389,"start":13377,"end":13396},"Und da kann dann durchaus eine Diskussion entstehen.",{"text":23391,"start":13396,"end":13459},"Aber das find ich grad irgendwie son bisschen schade, diesen Open Source Base, so, dass da nicht so dieses, wie Dennis gesagt, so proaktiv in",33,{"sentences":23394,"speaker":403,"num_words":23401,"start":13459,"end":13584},[23395,23397,23399],{"text":23396,"start":13459,"end":13517},"die Zukunft geschaut wird, sondern erst mal so, okay, wir können wir können nicht her über die Lage werden so, wir wir gehen eher in den Verteidigungsmodus.",{"text":23398,"start":13521,"end":13545},"Ja, und auch das kann ich teilweise halt irgendwie nachvollziehen, ne.",{"text":23400,"start":13545,"end":13584},"Ich mein, wir weiß nicht, wann die Folge mit Fabian Hiller live gehen soll.",52,{"sentences":23403,"speaker":126,"num_words":22419,"start":13584,"end":13609},[23404],{"text":23405,"start":13584,"end":13609},"Ja, wollt ich auch gleich noch zu erzählen, ne.",{"sentences":23407,"speaker":403,"num_words":23417,"start":13609,"end":13836},[23408,23410,23411,23413,23415],{"text":23409,"start":13609,"end":13673},"Da ich nur ja auch 'n bisschen drüber, ne, der ja mit Wallibot und Vormish so relativ große Open Source Projekte auch betreibt so.",{"text":2562,"start":13673,"end":13676},{"text":23412,"start":13676,"end":13719},"Ne, und also wir auch gesagt haben, ja gut, was ist so auch die Motivation, ne?",{"text":23414,"start":13719,"end":13810},"Ruhm und Ehre ist so ein Teil davon einfach, ne, im im Open Source Base natürlich auch und einfach irgendwo so, ne, sein Wissen teilen und sich freuen, wenn das irgendwie anderen hilft und eingesetzt wird.",{"text":23416,"start":13812,"end":13836},"Aber auch, ja, wo wird sich das so hinschieben, ne?",87,{"sentences":23419,"speaker":403,"num_words":23429,"start":13836,"end":14074},[23420,23422,23423,23425,23427],{"text":23421,"start":13836,"end":13857},"Was davon wirst Du noch brauchen, so, ne?",{"text":612,"start":13857,"end":13859},{"text":23424,"start":13859,"end":13993},"Was davon wird sowieso on the fly erstellt, so und geht's nicht dann eher und das ist ja eigentlich und ich vermute mal, würde mein Geld darauf setzen, so wie der in der Entwicklung bei uns das aktuell auch so ist, dass es sich eher verschiebt von, ne, wie können wir die Infrastruktur bereitstellen?",{"text":23426,"start":13993,"end":14038},"Wie können wir die ganzen das ganze das ganze Set-up so machen, dass wir AI gut nutzen können?",{"text":23428,"start":14038,"end":14074},"Das wird in den anderen, das wird in dem Open Source Bereich auch so sein.",96,{"sentences":23431,"speaker":403,"num_words":23392,"start":14074,"end":14158},[23432,23434,23436,23438],{"text":23433,"start":14074,"end":14101},"Dann werden halt die Tools eher deine AI sein und deine Genau.",{"text":23435,"start":14104,"end":14124},"Ne, wie wie kann AI mit irgendwas umgehen Ja.",{"text":23437,"start":14126,"end":14153},"Als jetzt das das eine Feature in der in ein Gamemine.",{"text":2562,"start":14157,"end":14158},{"sentences":23440,"speaker":126,"num_words":23449,"start":14160,"end":14569},[23441,23443,23445,23447],{"text":23442,"start":14160,"end":14259},"Mit so 2 Schritten mehr Abstand ist das vielleicht auch wieder einfach 'n gutes Beispiel dafür, dass die Beschleunigung, die an vielen Stellen durch AI halt grade ermöglicht wird, einfach aufzeigt, was vorher schon gefehlt hat so, ja.",{"text":23444,"start":14259,"end":14337},"Also wenn Dennis zurecht sagt, so na ja, wenn sich ganz viele dieser PRs irgendwie Sachen drehen, die nicht in Goddot reingehören, dann lag da vielleicht schon vorher immer der Fehler.",{"text":23446,"start":14337,"end":14446},"Es war halt nur nicht schlimm genug in Anführungszeichen, als dass es das wert war, das mal ordentlich aufzuschreiben oder 'n Mechanismus dafür zu finden, das halt irgendwie besser einzudämmen, aber mit AI wird's halt krasser sein.",{"text":23448,"start":14446,"end":14569},"Ich wollte noch, weil Dennis grade die Folge mit Fabian angesprochen hat, die in 'nem Monat ungefähr rauskommt, da war er 1 meiner, wie ich erzählt hab, Open Source zu nutzen, nein, AI zu nutzen, Open Source Pakete oder Apps, die ich verwende Mit der Urlaub",152,{"sentences":23451,"speaker":106,"num_words":403,"start":14569,"end":14577},[23452],{"text":23453,"start":14569,"end":14577},"zu überscannen.",{"sentences":23455,"speaker":126,"num_words":22612,"start":14581,"end":14776},[23456,23458,23460,23462,23463],{"text":23457,"start":14581,"end":14587},"Zu scannen.",{"text":23459,"start":14587,"end":14654},"Na, zu zu scannen so tatsächlich, ne, so, hey, hier dieses Tool ist das safe, mach das, was es verspricht und Ja.",{"text":23461,"start":14656,"end":14672},"Irgendwie wie wie funktioniert das intern überhaupt.",{"text":2562,"start":14674,"end":14675},{"text":23464,"start":14675,"end":14776},"Und da hab ich tatsächlich gestern das das auch wieder gemacht, so und dann hat er gesagt, ja, das tut es eigentlich ganz cool, aber das macht so eine Sache son bisschen falsch und das könnte security mäßig schwierig werden.",{"sentences":23466,"speaker":126,"num_words":22819,"start":14779,"end":15212},[23467,23469,23471,23473,23475],{"text":23468,"start":14779,"end":14853},"So, will da jetzt keine Namen nennen, kann man auch auf, wenn man mein Gitterprofil findet, kann man das schon irgendwie rausfinden, wo ich darum kommentiert hab dann.",{"text":23470,"start":14853,"end":14964},"Und da hab ich tatsächlich zurückgegangen in dieses Repository und war dann auch ganz kurz so überlegt, okay, paste jetzt hier einfach meine meine AI Diskussion rein so, ja, und sag so, guck mal hier, wir haben hier was gefunden, was irgendwie uncool ist.",{"text":23472,"start":14964,"end":15113},"Und ich hab mir da tatsächlich die Mühe gemacht, das halt selber noch mal son bisschen zu formulieren, selber noch mal son bisschen Research zu betreiben, irgendwie Quellen zu finden, wo ich den den Mantermin sagen kann, guck mal hier, deshalb ist es halt nicht Best Practice, sondern schau dir das vielleicht noch mal so und so an.",{"text":23474,"start":15116,"end":15182},"Und das war für mich aber auch sone sone gefühlte Gratwanderung halt, ja, weil man gerade halt nicht weiß, wie wird das so angenommen, ne?",{"text":23476,"start":15182,"end":15212},"Das war eine App, die in in in SWIFT geschrieben ist.",{"sentences":23478,"speaker":126,"num_words":23489,"start":15212,"end":15423},[23479,23481,23483,23485,23487],{"text":23480,"start":15212,"end":15241},"Ich hab keine Ahnung oder nicht nennenswert Ahnung von SWIFT, ja?",{"text":23482,"start":15241,"end":15331},"Ich lebe mich da auch sehr weit ausm Fenster, wenn ich dem jetzt irgendwie erzählen will, wie er das dort zu machen hat, auch wenn ich das zugrundeliegende Problem irgendwie auf 'nem Meta Level verstehe.",{"text":23484,"start":15335,"end":15354},"Und aber die waren tatsächlich dann sehr empfänglich dafür.",{"text":23486,"start":15354,"end":15393},"Die haben sich bedankt und haben gesagt, so, okay, das fixen wir in der nächsten Version.",{"text":23488,"start":15393,"end":15423},"So, schauen wir mal, ob die nächste Version das dann auch wirklich",83,{"sentences":23491,"speaker":106,"num_words":23109,"start":15426,"end":15471},[23492,23493,23495],{"text":15430,"start":15426,"end":15427},{"text":23494,"start":15427,"end":15435},"Ach, ja.",{"text":23496,"start":15438,"end":15471},"Aber guck mal, das ist auch son Positivbeispiel dann davon von der Interaktion.",{"sentences":23498,"speaker":126,"num_words":22670,"start":15474,"end":15575},[23499,23501],{"text":23500,"start":15474,"end":15528},"Ja, aber weil ich halt, also weil ich halt auch noch son bisschen Zeit, genau, weil ich noch was reininvestiert hab.",{"text":23502,"start":15528,"end":15575},"Und ich glaube, dass, wenn man das im Moment noch so macht, dann ist es wahrscheinlich auch gangbar.",{"sentences":23504,"speaker":106,"num_words":22904,"start":15578,"end":15657},[23505],{"text":23506,"start":15578,"end":15657},"Also mich würd's ja, wenn Du dich jetzt der andere Fall interessieren magst, Du wärst nicht die Extraschritte gegangen, ob das aber zum selben Resultat geführt hätte so irgendwie Ja,",{"sentences":23508,"speaker":126,"num_words":23271,"start":15657,"end":15722},[23509,23511,23512,23514,23515],{"text":23510,"start":15657,"end":15691},"also dann Dave, verwende doch bitte deinen GitHub Videos anhaben.",{"text":612,"start":15695,"end":15696},{"text":23513,"start":15699,"end":15711},"Irgendwo das mal anderweitig zu.",{"text":15719,"start":15716,"end":15717},{"text":15724,"start":15721,"end":15722},{"sentences":23517,"speaker":126,"num_words":23525,"start":15726,"end":15851},[23518,23519,23521,23523],{"text":15729,"start":15726,"end":15727},{"text":23520,"start":15731,"end":15783},"Bevor Du von GitHub gebannt warst, oh nein, ist gar nicht auf GitHub, ja, ist mit Journey auf GitHub.",{"text":23522,"start":15783,"end":15808},"Ich hab keine Ahnung, was die da so alles treiben.",{"text":23524,"start":15810,"end":15851},"Aber erzähl uns doch mal, warum das vielleicht einfach komplett egal ist, weil die jetzt was ganz anderes",48,{"sentences":23527,"speaker":106,"num_words":22659,"start":15853,"end":15866},[23528,23529],{"text":612,"start":15853,"end":15854},{"text":23530,"start":15854,"end":15866},"Das ist ja Und ob",{"sentences":23532,"speaker":126,"num_words":23043,"start":15866,"end":15923},[23533],{"text":23534,"start":15866,"end":15923},"Du auch gedacht hast, dass das son Late April Fools Day Joke ist, wie ich, als ich das gelesen hab.",{"sentences":23536,"speaker":106,"num_words":23547,"start":15923,"end":16130},[23537,23539,23541,23543,23545],{"text":23538,"start":15923,"end":15929},"Genau, genau.",{"text":23540,"start":15929,"end":15978},"Also es war alles interessant, als ich das gepostet hab und gesagt, hey, ich werd darüber sprechen über Midjourney.",{"text":23542,"start":15982,"end":16036},"Da hat Jan auch genauso reagiert, so hä, haben die vergessen, dass April nicht im Juni ist, hä, was soll das?",{"text":23544,"start":16039,"end":16118},"Aber tatsächlich, als ich den den Beitrag son bisschen gelesen hab, dacht ich mir, es ergibt schon 'n bisschen Sinn, aber dazu kommen wir gleich, denn also was ist eigentlich erst mal passiert?",{"text":23546,"start":16118,"end":16130},"Midjourney kennt man vielleicht.",79,{"sentences":23549,"speaker":106,"num_words":23003,"start":16133,"end":16293},[23550,23552,23554,23556,23558],{"text":23551,"start":16133,"end":16167},"Ist 'n AI Unternehmen mit dem auch mit 'nem Tool mit demselben Namen, Midjourney.",{"text":23553,"start":16170,"end":16211},"Und ich glaub, primär zuerst auf Discord und mittlerweile haben die aber, glaub ich, auch eine Weboberfläche.",{"text":23555,"start":16215,"end":16231},"Geht einfach darum, Generation, ne.",{"text":23557,"start":16231,"end":16272},"Also Du sagst irgendwas, hey, zeig mir den Pubs aufm Skateboard mit 'ner coolen Sonnenbrille.",{"text":23559,"start":16272,"end":16293},"Zack, Bam, wird das Bild generiert.",{"sentences":23561,"speaker":403,"num_words":22974,"start":16296,"end":16378},[23562],{"text":23563,"start":16296,"end":16378},"Gefühlt so von außen, ohne drin zu sein, am Anfang eine der der großen Toolsgebürsen, so, die immer im Bass waren und immer gehypt waren, was heute nicht mehr so ist.",{"sentences":23565,"speaker":126,"num_words":22675,"start":16378,"end":16393},[23566,23568],{"text":23567,"start":16378,"end":16386},"Ist das so?",{"text":23569,"start":16386,"end":16393},"Ich weiß",{"sentences":23571,"speaker":106,"num_words":22687,"start":16393,"end":16580},[23572,23574,23576,23578,23580],{"text":23573,"start":16393,"end":16436},"gar nicht, wer ganz vorne dabei ist tatsächlich bei Imagegeneration, aber wahrscheinlich auch die ganz großen Player.",{"text":23575,"start":16436,"end":16490},"Na, auf jeden Fall fand ich's interessant, wusste ich auch nicht, Midjourney ist tatsächlich komplett zu 100 Prozent profitabel.",{"text":23577,"start":16493,"end":16540},"Die sind auch 0 Prozent irgendwie fremdfinanziert, also kein Venturecapital steckt dahinter und die machen halt gut Umsatz.",{"text":23579,"start":16540,"end":16550},"Fand ich interessant.",{"text":23581,"start":16550,"end":16580},"Hört man ja in diesem AI Space sehr selten irgendwie.",{"sentences":23583,"speaker":106,"num_words":23593,"start":16580,"end":16799},[23584,23585,23587,23589,23591],{"text":2562,"start":16580,"end":16584},{"text":23586,"start":16586,"end":16624},"Und die haben gesagt so, na ja okay, jetzt also der der Laden läuft ja so.",{"text":23588,"start":16624,"end":16692},"Wir wollen jetzt was Sinnvolles für die Menschheit machen und wir steigen jetzt ein in den Gesundheitssektor und haben jetzt Midjourney Medical gegründet.",{"text":23590,"start":16696,"end":16753},"Denkt man sich jetzt mal, okay, hä, crazy, wie kommst Du von soner AI Generation von Images jetzt auf irgendwie den Gesundheitssektor?",{"text":23592,"start":16757,"end":16799},"Sie haben gesagt, das Ziel von dem Unternehmen soll sein, dass Sie ein medizinisches Bildgebungsgerät erschaffen.",78,{"sentences":23595,"speaker":106,"num_words":22719,"start":16802,"end":16911},[23596,23598,23600,23602,23604],{"text":23597,"start":16802,"end":16828},"Und zwar haben Sie das genannt mit dem Akronym Fakt.",{"text":23599,"start":16832,"end":16839},"Fakt, genau.",{"text":23601,"start":16842,"end":16874},"Steht ausgeschriefen für Full Body, Full Body, Ultrasonic, ja?",{"text":23603,"start":16874,"end":16898},"Also hat man wahrscheinlich schon irgendwie, sag mal, Tomographie.",{"text":23605,"start":16902,"end":16911},"Sagt euch sicherlich etwas.",{"sentences":23607,"speaker":106,"num_words":23525,"start":16914,"end":17036},[23608,23610,23612,23614],{"text":23609,"start":16914,"end":16922},"Ganz genau, Dave, richtig.",{"text":23611,"start":16925,"end":16974},"Genau, wo die gesagt haben, so diese Bildgebung soll vor allem sehr schnell sein, günstig und einfach verfügbar, ne.",{"text":23613,"start":16974,"end":17009},"Also ich glaub, hier müssen wir kurz 'n Exkurs in son bisschen Physik machen.",{"text":23615,"start":17009,"end":17036},"Also was gibt's denn für andere Bildgebungsgeräte, die man so kennt?",{"sentences":23617,"speaker":403,"num_words":22507,"start":17036,"end":17057},[23618],{"text":23619,"start":17036,"end":17057},"Vielleicht erst mal das Wort Bildgebung erklären.",{"sentences":23621,"speaker":106,"num_words":22619,"start":17057,"end":17133},[23622,23624,23626,23628,23629],{"text":23623,"start":17057,"end":17064},"Bildgebung, genau.",{"text":23625,"start":17064,"end":17116},"Du hast 'n Körper und Du hast ja auch Organe in deinem Körper und Du hast auch Muskeln und Ekel.",{"text":23627,"start":17120,"end":17125},"Oder sonst.",{"text":17118,"start":17125,"end":17129},{"text":14102,"start":17132,"end":17133},{"sentences":23631,"speaker":106,"num_words":22439,"start":17133,"end":17243},[23632,23633,23635,23636,23638],{"text":612,"start":17133,"end":17136},{"text":23634,"start":17136,"end":17200},"Und da Du möchtest ja teilweise so, oh, hat der Dennis vielleicht irgendwie 'n Schaden im Gehirn, dass der ganze Zeit so komische Geräusche macht?",{"text":17206,"start":17200,"end":17204},{"text":23637,"start":17208,"end":17231},"Da müssen wir mal jetzt, glaub ich, ein MRT machen.",{"text":23639,"start":17231,"end":17243},"MRT schon mal gehört, ne?",{"sentences":23641,"speaker":106,"num_words":23651,"start":17243,"end":17367},[23642,23644,23645,23647,23649],{"text":23643,"start":17243,"end":17274},"Magnetresonanztomographie, genau, Bildgebung und dann hast Du son Bild von deinem Gehirn.",{"text":9880,"start":17278,"end":17279},{"text":23646,"start":17282,"end":17290},"MRT funktioniert sehr gut.",{"text":23648,"start":17290,"end":17308},"Problem, es dauert ewig, ne.",{"text":23650,"start":17308,"end":17367},"Also ich weiß nicht, ob ihr das kennt, ich hatte ja wegen meiner Schulter Eckgelenksprengung Anfang des Jahres musste ich in son MRT.",45,{"sentences":23653,"speaker":106,"num_words":22600,"start":17367,"end":17442},[23654,23656],{"text":23655,"start":17367,"end":17378},"Das ist wahnsinnig gruselig.",{"text":23657,"start":17381,"end":17442},"So, Du kommst in sone richtig enge Röhre, die hat, glaub ich, 'n Durchmesser von so 60, 70 Zentimeter, 6, 7.",{"sentences":23659,"speaker":126,"num_words":22675,"start":17446,"end":17460},[23660],{"text":23661,"start":17446,"end":17460},"Und Du und Und Du",{"sentences":23663,"speaker":403,"num_words":22507,"start":17460,"end":17480},[23664,23666],{"text":23665,"start":17460,"end":17472},"fand's nicht so schlimm.",{"text":23667,"start":17474,"end":17480},"Aber war heiter.",{"sentences":23669,"speaker":106,"num_words":23310,"start":17480,"end":17573},[23670,23672,23674,23676,23678],{"text":23671,"start":17480,"end":17507},"Genau, aber warst Du auch komplett drin mit deinem Kopf und so?",{"text":23673,"start":17509,"end":17526},"Oder hat's das irgendwo unten am Bein?",{"text":23675,"start":17526,"end":17548},"Weil dann kommt son, da kommt's andersrum rein.",{"text":23677,"start":17550,"end":17571},"Also ich war ja komplett in dieser Röhre drin.",{"text":612,"start":17571,"end":17573},{"sentences":23680,"speaker":106,"num_words":23334,"start":17573,"end":17840},[23681,23683,23685,23687,23689],{"text":23682,"start":17573,"end":17625},"Und deswegen ist, ich also ich hab keine Clostrophobie, aber es ist halt echt krass, wie eng das da alles ist.",{"text":23684,"start":17625,"end":17752},"Und dann hörst Du halt, also hörst Du Kopfhörer auf und dann ist diese Maschine, die klackert unendlich laut und nicht rum, weil dieser Magnet sich halt irgendwie ausrechnen muss, Radiowellen sendet, dann deine Wassermoleküle verschieben sich und so und dann am Ende hast Du halt 'n Bild.",{"text":23686,"start":17752,"end":17782},"Und ich war da mit meiner Schulter irgendwie 20, 25 Minuten drin.",{"text":23688,"start":17782,"end":17821},"Wenn Du aber das für den gesamten Körper machst, bist Du schon eine Stunde drin.",{"text":23690,"start":17821,"end":17840},"Also das ist schon, also es dauert ewig.",{"sentences":23692,"speaker":106,"num_words":23701,"start":17840,"end":17945},[23693,23695,23697,23699],{"text":23694,"start":17840,"end":17872},"Was es dann noch gibt, ist das CT, das ist die Computertomografie.",{"text":23696,"start":17876,"end":17891},"Habt ihr auch wahrscheinlich schon mal gehört.",{"text":23698,"start":17894,"end":17931},"Die arbeitet mit Röntgenstrahlung und ihr wisst, Röntgenstrahlung, Radioaktivität, nicht gut.",{"text":23700,"start":17931,"end":17945},"Also geht halt deutlich schneller, da",36,{"sentences":23703,"speaker":403,"num_words":22675,"start":17945,"end":17956},[23704],{"text":23705,"start":17945,"end":17956},"bist Du halt eher bei",{"sentences":23707,"speaker":106,"num_words":22736,"start":17956,"end":18135},[23708,23710,23712],{"text":23709,"start":17956,"end":18026},"so was wie 10 bis 20 Minuten in der Zeit, aber halt Du kriegst halt eine Strahlenbelastung, die gar nicht mal unerheblich ist dann in der Zeit ab, ne.",{"text":23711,"start":18026,"end":18053},"Ist immer son bisschen abwägen, ob man das macht oder nicht.",{"text":23713,"start":18055,"end":18135},"Du hast ja schon bei einem CT hast Du quasi, wir haben ja eine Grundstrahlenbelastung, die wir ja hier in Deutschland einfach haben und die hast Du im CT einfach während 1 CTs.",{"sentences":23715,"speaker":403,"num_words":22675,"start":18139,"end":18150},[23716],{"text":23717,"start":18139,"end":18150},"Aber warum 20, 30 Minuten?",{"sentences":23719,"speaker":106,"num_words":22659,"start":18153,"end":18166},[23720],{"text":23721,"start":18153,"end":18166},"10 bis 20 hab ich gesagt.",{"sentences":23723,"speaker":403,"num_words":22412,"start":18169,"end":18189},[23724,23726],{"text":23725,"start":18169,"end":18182},"Ja, in 'nem reingehen, zack.",{"text":23727,"start":18182,"end":18189},"Ja, aber Du",{"sentences":23729,"speaker":106,"num_words":22516,"start":18189,"end":18217},[23730],{"text":23731,"start":18189,"end":18217},"weil es mehrere Schichten sind und Du willst Ach, genau.",{"sentences":23733,"speaker":403,"num_words":22482,"start":18219,"end":18228},[23734,23735],{"text":18223,"start":18219,"end":18220},{"text":23736,"start":18225,"end":18228},"CT zurück.",{"sentences":23738,"speaker":106,"num_words":22904,"start":18228,"end":18316},[23739,23740,23742,23743,23745],{"text":23538,"start":18228,"end":18236},{"text":23741,"start":18236,"end":18259},"Also es ist kein nicht normales mit den anderen.",{"text":14102,"start":18262,"end":18263},{"text":23744,"start":18263,"end":18306},"So und jetzt hab ich ja gesagt, FUCT, ne, also Fakt, genau, Ultrasonic, ne, Ultraschall.",{"text":23746,"start":18309,"end":18316},"Ultraschall kennt ihr.",{"sentences":23748,"speaker":106,"num_words":22612,"start":18320,"end":18501},[23749,23751,23753,23755,23757],{"text":23750,"start":18320,"end":18340},"Genau und Ultraschall ist super unschädlich für uns.",{"text":23752,"start":18340,"end":18355},"Und Babys, mal gucken.",{"text":23754,"start":18355,"end":18384},"Kann mal 'n Babys gucken, das ist auch relevant für gleich.",{"text":23756,"start":18387,"end":18431},"Wie wie also wie stellen Sie sich jetzt vor mit Journey, dass Sie das halt im medizinischen Kontext dann benutzen?",{"text":23758,"start":18434,"end":18501},"Und zwar haben die gesagt so, okay, wir wollen erst mal nicht, dass Du in irgendwas eine medizinische Einrichtung gehst, sondern die haben gesagt, wir wollen einen Spar errichten.",{"sentences":23760,"speaker":106,"num_words":23271,"start":18501,"end":18547},[23761,23763],{"text":23762,"start":18501,"end":18527},"Das wollen sie auch in San Francisco tatsächlich bauen.",{"text":23764,"start":18527,"end":18547},"Und Du hast dann wirklich so, Du kannst da",{"sentences":23766,"speaker":403,"num_words":22675,"start":18547,"end":18566},[23767,23769,23770],{"text":23768,"start":18547,"end":18557},"halt Den Supermarkt?",{"text":18563,"start":18561,"end":18562},{"text":3121,"start":18565,"end":18566},{"sentences":23772,"speaker":126,"num_words":22507,"start":18566,"end":18586},[23773,23775],{"text":23774,"start":18566,"end":18573},"genau, der Spar.",{"text":23776,"start":18573,"end":18586},"Da können Du bist",{"sentences":23778,"speaker":106,"num_words":22452,"start":18586,"end":18597},[23779],{"text":23780,"start":18586,"end":18597},"ja eigentlich in Deutschland?",{"sentences":23782,"speaker":126,"num_words":23789,"start":18597,"end":18800},[23783,23785,23787],{"text":23784,"start":18597,"end":18745},"Ich muss das ganz kurz unterbrechen, weil also an dieser Stelle muss jeder mal ganz kurz mit Germany Medical googeln und diese Bilder von diesem Spa, was sie da machen wollen, angucken, weil das sieht genauso aus, wie sich Midjourney wahrscheinlich in seinen wildesten Träumen son Future Hightech Spa irgendwie ausdenken würde, ja?",{"text":23786,"start":18745,"end":18787},"Und Sie stellen's dahin so mit voller Ernsthaftigkeit, ja, genauso wollen wir das.",{"text":23788,"start":18787,"end":18800},"Genauso wird das aussehen.",70,{"sentences":23791,"speaker":106,"num_words":23043,"start":18803,"end":18855},[23792,23794,23796],{"text":23793,"start":18803,"end":18815},"Aber ja, das ist auch geil.",{"text":23795,"start":18815,"end":18844},"Also es ist komplett auch AI generated, so dieses Video.",{"text":23797,"start":18848,"end":18855},"Ja, auf jeden Fall.",{"sentences":23799,"speaker":126,"num_words":403,"start":18855,"end":18861},[23800],{"text":23801,"start":18855,"end":18861},"Ja, ja,",{"sentences":23803,"speaker":106,"num_words":23814,"start":18861,"end":19122},[23804,23806,23808,23810,23812],{"text":23805,"start":18861,"end":18869},"auf jeden Fall.",{"text":23807,"start":18869,"end":18976},"Also weil es wirklich geil so, weil das halt so so golden leuchtender Raum ist und so und dann stellst Du dich auf sone Plattform und wirst kommen sie in sone Röhre rein, also in eine größere Röhre, also keine Platzangst an der Stelle.",{"text":23809,"start":18976,"end":18997},"Und da sind superviele Ultraschallsensoren, also Zigtausende.",{"text":23811,"start":19000,"end":19050},"Und diese Ultraschallsensoren, die ballern einfach ganz weit auf dich und Ballalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalal ergibt dann ein Bild dann am Ende, ne.",{"text":23813,"start":19050,"end":19122},"Und Du Du hast halt superviele Sensoren und aus diesen verschiedenen Wellen, die jetzt zurückgeworfen werden, kriegst Du dann halt sehr viele, sehr neu Sybuilder.",99,{"sentences":23816,"speaker":106,"num_words":23827,"start":19126,"end":19378},[23817,23819,23821,23823,23825],{"text":23818,"start":19126,"end":19162},"Da hast Du irgendwie Terabyte von Daten pro Sekunde einfach an der Stelle.",{"text":23820,"start":19164,"end":19229},"Und wenn man jetzt weiß, wie ja Midjourney funktioniert, ne, sehr viele neue Bilder, daraus ein kohärentes Bild zu generieren, genau das macht Midjourney, ne.",{"text":23822,"start":19229,"end":19272},"Das sind ja diese Diffusionsmodelle, ne, wo wir dann halt irgendwie 1 1 1 digitales Rauschen haben.",{"text":23824,"start":19275,"end":19311},"Es wird immer 'n bisschen feiner und feiner und feiner und irgendwann hast Du da dein Bild.",{"text":23826,"start":19311,"end":19378},"Und genau das versuchen sie quasi mit diesen Millionen von Bildern, die dann halt da entstehen pro Sekunde, dann irgendwie einen Scan von deinem gesamten Körper zu machen.",100,{"sentences":23829,"speaker":106,"num_words":23840,"start":19378,"end":19643},[23830,23832,23834,23836,23838],{"text":23831,"start":19378,"end":19457},"Und sie sagen halt, der große Vorteil ist, es hat keinen Impact auf dich, also gesundheitlich, es dauert nur 60 Sekunden und Du hast halt halt 'n Full Body Scan, ne.",{"text":23833,"start":19457,"end":19561},"Das heißt also, sowohl von deinen Organen als auch von deinem von deiner Muskulatur, dein Fettgewebe, wie es da deine Knochendichte steht plus auch Organe hab ich gesagt, wahrscheinlich hab ich auch gar nicht schon gesagt, aber genau.",{"text":23835,"start":19561,"end":19603},"Also alles relevant in deinem Körper und dann kannst Du direkt da wissen so, hey, so steht's meinen Körper.",{"text":23837,"start":19606,"end":19615},"So weit der Ansatz.",{"text":23839,"start":19615,"end":19643},"Ich glaub, Dennis guckt grade das Video und ist grade überzeugt.",103,{"sentences":23842,"speaker":403,"num_words":22538,"start":19646,"end":19674},[23843],{"text":23844,"start":19646,"end":19674},"Weil die ist ja gar nicht mit dem Kopf unter Wasser gefahren.",{"sentences":23846,"speaker":106,"num_words":23857,"start":19677,"end":19944},[23847,23849,23851,23853,23855],{"text":23848,"start":19677,"end":19744},"Na ja, ich glaub, das ist in dem Video noch nicht so, also also theoretisch musst Du auch mit dem Kopf wahrscheinlich drunter sein oder zumindest müssen die Sensoren dort sein.",{"text":23850,"start":19746,"end":19780},"Also per se denk ich mir erst mal cool, ne, deswegen also nicht so abwegig.",{"text":23852,"start":19780,"end":19827},"Du hast halt, wie gesagt, diese sehr neue Bilder, aus denen Du irgendwie dann 1 1 1 Bodyscan machen sollst.",{"text":23854,"start":19827,"end":19848},"Aber natürlich gibt es bereits jetzt schon kritische Stimmen.",{"text":23856,"start":19848,"end":19944},"Also Leute, die also Ahnung von Physik haben und den menschlichen Körper, die also die die die sagen die sagen nämlich auch so, na ja, also es hat ja auch 'n Grund, warum Du 'n Ultraschall nicht überall ansetzt, ne.",115,{"sentences":23859,"speaker":106,"num_words":22807,"start":19944,"end":20042},[23860,23862,23864],{"text":23861,"start":19944,"end":19969},"Also wie jeder von uns hatte wahrscheinlich mal 'n Ultraschall, ne.",{"text":23863,"start":19969,"end":20012},"Also es ist halt sehr, sehr gut für irgendwie Dinge, die nah an der Haut dran sind, ne.",{"text":23865,"start":20012,"end":20042},"Also beispielsweise hier, Schilddrüse wird häufig gemacht, Nieren werden häufig gemacht.",{"sentences":23867,"speaker":126,"num_words":403,"start":20042,"end":20049},[23868],{"text":23869,"start":20042,"end":20049},"Nieren werden",{"sentences":23871,"speaker":403,"num_words":403,"start":20049,"end":20055},[23872],{"text":23873,"start":20049,"end":20055},"ja genau.",{"sentences":23875,"speaker":106,"num_words":23186,"start":20057,"end":20267},[23876,23878,23880,23882,23884],{"text":23877,"start":20057,"end":20086},"Bei hier natürlich Kinder, die dann im im Mutterleib angeschaut werden.",{"text":23879,"start":20086,"end":20125},"So, dafür ist das sehr gut, aber niemand macht 'n Ultraschall für fürs Gehirn oder so.",{"text":23881,"start":20125,"end":20168},"Nie niemand untersucht dein Herz mit 'nem Ultraschall, so, weil das halt einfach nicht darauf ausgelegt ist.",{"text":23883,"start":20168,"end":20205},"Und da sagen halt die ganzen kritischen Stimmen schon, na ja, also wie soll Ultraschall das machen?",{"text":23885,"start":20205,"end":20267},"So, das durchdringt halt einfach nicht so weit deinen Körper und man kann kein richtiges Bild daraus erzeugen, wie's dann Ebenen tiefer dann ausschaut.",{"sentences":23887,"speaker":106,"num_words":23898,"start":20270,"end":20549},[23888,23890,23892,23894,23896],{"text":23889,"start":20270,"end":20339},"Von daher ist wahrscheinlich das, woran Midjourney Medical jetzt erst mal dran ist, da irgendwie 'n Proof of Concept zu machen, so zu schauen, hey, kriegen wir's trotzdem hin?",{"text":23891,"start":20342,"end":20414},"Müssen wir irgendwie die Ultraschallschraube noch mal krasser aufdrehen oder so was, dann wirklich noch mal stärkere Bilder zu generieren oder ist es halt einfach für die Katz am Ende?",{"text":23893,"start":20417,"end":20479},"Aber irgendwie dachte ich mir, es klingt am Anfang sehr, sehr weird und ich geborene auch recht diese Reaktion so hä, was soll das jetzt so, Jan?",{"text":23895,"start":20482,"end":20494},"Das ergibt zu 100 Prozent Sinn.",{"text":23897,"start":20494,"end":20549},"Aber dann denke ich mir so, ach, okay, interessanter Ansatz, interessanter Engel, einfach mal das auf die Ebene zu nehmen.",112,{"sentences":23900,"speaker":126,"num_words":22654,"start":20553,"end":20667},[23901],{"text":23902,"start":20553,"end":20667},"Also ich glaub, auf soner gewissen Ebene macht dieses, wenn Du bei jedem Spa Besuch, wo Du quasi dich in den Wollpool setzt, auch automatisch 'n 'n Ganzkörperbild von dir mitnehmen könntest, hat das natürlich schon irgendwie coole Side Effects, ne.",{"sentences":23904,"speaker":106,"num_words":403,"start":20667,"end":20673},[23905],{"text":23906,"start":20667,"end":20673},"Du 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