[{"data":1,"prerenderedAt":63346},["ShallowReactive",2],{"\u002Fpodcast\u002Fdeep-dive-219-evcc-mit-michael-geers":3},{"podcast":4,"pickOfTheDayCount":136,"speakerCount":137,"relatedPodcasts":138,"transcript":139},{"id":5,"published_on":6,"type":7,"number":8,"title":9,"slug":10,"description":11,"transcript":12,"audio_url":13,"apple_url":12,"google_url":12,"spotify_url":12,"youtube_url":12,"cover_image":14,"banner_image":26,"speakers":36,"members":62,"picks_of_the_day":95,"tags":132,"tagsPrepared":133,"speakersPrepared":134},"c3c356dd-739a-4329-b93a-040e01eecf38","2026-10-27T05:00:00.000Z","deep_dive","219","evcc mit Michael Geers","deep-dive-219-evcc-mit-michael-geers","\u003Cp>Wallbox von Hersteller A, Wechselrichter von Hersteller B, dazu Hausspeicher, Wärmepumpe und ein dynamischer Stromtarif: Wer das alles zusammen steuern will, landet schnell zwischen mehreren Apps und geschlossenen Ökosystemen. Genau hier setzt das Open-Source-Energiemanagement \u003Ca href=\"https:\u002F\u002Fevcc.io\u002F\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">evcc\u003C\u002Fa> an. Darüber sprechen Dennis und Fabi mit Michael Geers, der seit 2020 zum dreiköpfigen Core-Team gehört und sich vor allem um Oberfläche und Web kümmert.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp>Den Anstoß gab eine Nachricht aus der Community nach unserem \u003Ca href=\"https:\u002F\u002Fwww.programmier.bar\u002Fpodcast\u002Fcto-special-38-cto-special-mit-barbara-wittenberg-von-1komma5\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">CTO-Special mit 1KOMMA5°\u003C\u002Fa>. Michael erzählt, wie aus dem kleinen Projekt von Gründer Andreas Linde Ende 2019 eine große Community geworden ist und erklärt das \u003Ca href=\"https:\u002F\u002Fdocs.evcc.io\u002Fde\u002Fsponsorship\u002F\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Sponsoring-Modell\u003C\u002Fa>: Der Code liegt offen \u003Ca href=\"https:\u002F\u002Fgithub.com\u002Fevcc-io\u002Fevcc\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">auf GitHub\u003C\u002Fa>, der Großteil steht unter MIT-Lizenz, für viele kommerzielle Wallboxen braucht es aber ein Sponsortoken. Getragen wird evcc so vor allem von den Nutzer:innen selbst.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp>Technisch steckt dahinter ein Go-Backend mit MQTT, REST und MCP, eine Vue.js-Oberfläche, ein Armbian-Image für den Raspberry Pi und eine \u003Ca href=\"https:\u002F\u002Fdocs.evcc.io\u002Fde\u002Ffeatures\u002Fapp\u002F\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Companion-App\u003C\u002Fa> mit nativen Widgets. Bei den Geräten wird es bunt: Wallboxen sprechen oft Modbus, Wärmepumpen lassen sich per SG Ready boosten oder dimmen und bei Fahrzeugen bleibt häufig nur die reverse-engineerte App-API. Fast jede Integration entsteht, weil jemand aus der Community genau dieses Gerät zu Hause hat.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp>Warum ihr an die Daten eures eigenen Autos kommen solltet, zeigt die Geschichte um die Fahrzeug-APIs im VW-Konzern. Während dort Schnittstellen dichtgemacht wurden, ist Škoda nach viel Feedback aus der Community auf das Team zugekommen und bietet jetzt eine \u003Ca href=\"https:\u002F\u002Fdocs.evcc.io\u002Fde\u002Fblog\u002F2026\u002F08\u002F27\u002Fskoda-vehicle-api\u002F\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">offizielle Endkunden-API\u003C\u002Fa> an.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp>Bisher regelt evcc deterministisch nach Regeln. Mit dem \u003Ca href=\"https:\u002F\u002Fdocs.evcc.io\u002Fde\u002Ffeatures\u002Foptimizer\u002F\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Optimizer\u003C\u002Fa> kommt eine vorausschauende Planung im Viertelstundenraster dazu, die PV-Prognose, Strompreise und Verbrauchsverhalten einbezieht. Wir diskutieren, warum Wärme dabei viel schwerer planbar ist als ein Autoakku und Dennis bringt sein eigenes Setup mit Heartbeat AI und Wärmepumpe in die Runde.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp>Zum Schluss geht es um den Alltag im Core-Team zwischen GitHub-Issues, seltenen Calls und einem ersten Community-Treffen und darum, wie AI-generierte Pull Requests und ein AI-Bot für Issues die Arbeit am Projekt gerade verändern.\u003C\u002Fp>",null,"https:\u002F\u002Fwww.buzzsprout.com\u002F176239\u002Fepisodes\u002F20020996-deep-dive-219-evcc-mit-michael-geers.mp3",{"id":15,"title":16,"description":12,"tags":12,"location":12,"filename_disk":17,"filename_download":18,"metadata":19,"type":20,"filesize":21,"modified_by":12,"modified_on":22,"embed":12,"uploaded_by":23,"uploaded_on":24,"folder":12,"width":25,"height":25,"charset":12,"duration":12},"fd5c8c43-aa8b-4de9-b214-0edd21ab74c3","219 Ig Fb Geers","fd5c8c43-aa8b-4de9-b214-0edd21ab74c3.png","219_ig_fb_Geers.png",{},"image\u002Fpng","1895429","2026-10-26T15:28:08.160Z","11a655b6-bcfc-4c6c-a13c-68189e38edb9","2026-10-26T15:28:08.156Z",1500,{"id":27,"title":28,"description":12,"tags":12,"location":12,"filename_disk":29,"filename_download":30,"metadata":31,"type":20,"filesize":32,"modified_by":12,"modified_on":33,"embed":12,"uploaded_by":23,"uploaded_on":34,"folder":12,"width":35,"height":35,"charset":12,"duration":12},"e72e035b-30c7-43dc-9906-97dff0b5ae8e","Michael Geers Transparent","e72e035b-30c7-43dc-9906-97dff0b5ae8e.png","michael-geers-transparent.png",{},"791735","2026-10-26T15:18:15.503Z","2026-10-26T15:18:15.501Z",960,[37],{"speaker":38},{"id":39,"slug":40,"academic_title":12,"occupation":41,"first_name":42,"last_name":43,"description":44,"event_image":45,"profile_image":56},"cc31dabe-d179-4de1-996f-75ef589b996d","michael-geers","Open Source Entwickler bei evcc.io","Michael","Geers","\u003Cp>Michael Geers gehört seit sechs Jahren zum Maintainer-Team von evcc, einem Open-Source-Energiemanagement für E-Autos, Solaranlagen und Heimspeicher. In den letzten 20 Jahren war er Frontend-Entwickler bei neuland – Büro für Informatik und hat nebenbei das Buch „Micro Frontends in Action“ geschrieben. Inzwischen arbeitet er hauptsächlich an evcc und möchte sich künftig ganz auf Open Source konzentrieren.\u003C\u002Fp>",{"id":46,"title":47,"description":12,"tags":12,"location":12,"filename_disk":48,"filename_download":49,"metadata":50,"type":51,"filesize":52,"modified_by":12,"modified_on":53,"embed":12,"uploaded_by":54,"uploaded_on":55,"folder":12,"width":35,"height":35,"charset":12,"duration":12},"50f32e00-e4ad-4b62-89b9-5844bd2f80c7","Michael Geers 11","50f32e00-e4ad-4b62-89b9-5844bd2f80c7.jpg","michael-geers-11.jpg",{},"image\u002Fjpeg","349964","2026-10-13T12:29:06.974Z","ef1f3dcc-dd4b-4911-958e-6e6f729a2f08","2026-10-13T12:29:06.970Z",{"id":57,"title":47,"description":12,"tags":12,"location":12,"filename_disk":58,"filename_download":49,"metadata":59,"type":51,"filesize":52,"modified_by":12,"modified_on":60,"embed":12,"uploaded_by":54,"uploaded_on":61,"folder":12,"width":35,"height":35,"charset":12,"duration":12},"fdd5341f-1be7-4c32-8a2e-11afe640e302","fdd5341f-1be7-4c32-8a2e-11afe640e302.jpg",{},"2026-10-13T12:29:06.764Z","2026-10-13T12:29:06.761Z",[63,81],{"member":64},{"id":65,"first_name":66,"last_name":67,"occupation":68,"description":69,"normal_image":70},"ff2b7fcd-803f-4bcb-88d4-4f36636c7d6a","Fabi","Fink","\u002F\u002F Podcast-Host","\u003Cp>Es ist eher dem Zufall zuzuschreiben, dass Fabi zum Full Stack Developer wurde. Mit Anfängen als Product Owner und Software-Architekt, hatte er zwischenzeitig seine Passion als Coding Wizard gefunden. Heute fungiert er als Product Manager bei Lotum.\u003Cbr>Als Frontsänger mehrerer Bandprojekte fehlt Fabi manchmal die große Bühne im Alltag. Das ist vor allem dann spürbar, wenn er im Podcast auch mal ungefragt seinen Expertisen-Senf dazugibt. Im Gegenzug ist er der Einzige in der Runde, der den Pick of the Day wirklich ernst nimmt.\u003C\u002Fp>",{"id":71,"title":72,"description":12,"tags":12,"location":12,"filename_disk":73,"filename_download":74,"metadata":75,"type":51,"filesize":76,"modified_by":12,"modified_on":77,"embed":12,"uploaded_by":78,"uploaded_on":79,"folder":12,"width":80,"height":80,"charset":12,"duration":12},"56cc12dd-4672-4db0-850f-7ad37b68ca86","Fabi CD","56cc12dd-4672-4db0-850f-7ad37b68ca86.jpg","Fabi_CD.jpg",{},"583732","2024-07-29T11:46:00.241Z","e97179d2-51b3-4deb-828f-9524091441f5","2024-07-29T11:46:00.135Z",1024,{"member":82},{"id":83,"first_name":84,"last_name":85,"occupation":68,"description":86,"normal_image":87},"958f6624-c721-4ff9-8a97-69148f540945","Dennis","Becker","\u003Cp>Dennis ist Head of Development bei Lotum und kümmert sich liebevoll um die Entwickler:innen und deren Weiterentwicklung. \u003Cbr>In den Podcastfolgen übernimmt Dennis gerne die Moderation. Beim täglichen Tischtennis ist er immer am Start und seit wenigen Jahren passionierter Kitesurfer. Mittlerweile ist er auch Vibe Coder mit Leidenschaft und überzeugt, dass seine Kolleg:innen AI unterschätzen. \u003C\u002Fp>",{"id":88,"title":89,"description":12,"tags":12,"location":12,"filename_disk":90,"filename_download":91,"metadata":12,"type":51,"filesize":92,"modified_by":12,"modified_on":93,"embed":12,"uploaded_by":12,"uploaded_on":94,"folder":12,"width":80,"height":80,"charset":12,"duration":12},"7a9fd72e-16b1-4283-8c1f-348a3e7986f9","Dennis Becker","7a9fd72e-16b1-4283-8c1f-348a3e7986f9.jpg","dennis_becker_normal_01e352e682.jpg","45729","2022-01-16T14:26:35.196Z","2021-12-30T14:16:28.647Z",[96,101,106,111,127],{"id":97,"name":98,"website_url":99,"description":100,"image":12},"625703bd-6354-4032-9bfa-060ea334da93","BirdNET-Go","https:\u002F\u002Fgithub.com\u002Ftphakala\u002Fbirdnet-go","\u003Cp>BirdNET-Go verwandelt einen Raspberry Pi mit Mikrofon in eine Vogelstimmen-Erkennung, die rund um die Uhr lokal mitlauscht. Im Hintergrund laufen AI-Modelle wie BirdNET vom Cornell Lab of Ornithology und Perch von Google, die Ergebnisse landen in einem Dashboard, in dem ihr im Stundenraster seht, welche Vögel heute unterwegs waren.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp>Michael hat damit inzwischen eine richtige Datenbasis und erkennt Muster wie die Amsel, die morgens und abends singt, mittags aber nicht. Die ganze Familie schaut regelmäßig rein und ein Display im Wohnbereich zeigt jeden neu entdeckten Vogel groß an.\u003C\u002Fp>",{"id":102,"name":103,"website_url":104,"description":105,"image":12},"d144cd24-91f6-4816-b387-b2d74fda33f9","Dynamischer Stromtarif","https:\u002F\u002Fwww.verbraucherzentrale.de\u002Fwissen\u002Fenergie\u002Fpreise-tarife-anbieterwechsel\u002Fdynamische-stromtarife-fuer-wen-es-sich-lohnt-und-worauf-sie-achten-sollten-97836","\u003Cp>Passend zur Folge empfiehlt Dennis einen dynamischen Stromtarif. Dabei folgt euer Arbeitspreis dem Börsenstrompreis, der sich je nach Angebot und Nachfrage im Tagesverlauf ändert. Ob ihr dafür zu Tibber, Octopus Energy, 1KOMMA5° oder einem anderen Anbieter geht, ist für Dennis zweitrangig.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp>Spannend findet er vor allem den Effekt im Alltag: Mit Einblicken wie einer wöchentlichen Prognose, wann Wind und Sonne viel Strom liefern, setzt ihr euch automatisch aktiver damit auseinander, warum Strom wann wie viel kostet. Wirtschaftlich muss sich das nicht für alle lohnen, schlauer macht es trotzdem.\u003C\u002Fp>",{"id":107,"name":108,"website_url":109,"description":110,"image":12},"0d112673-2b94-4bf5-bc70-6b4b769747b1","Greenshare","https:\u002F\u002Fapps.apple.com\u002Fde\u002Fapp\u002Fgreenshare-strompreisprognose\u002Fid1595857290","\u003Cp>Greenshare zeigt euch, wie hoch der Anteil erneuerbarer Energien im deutschen Strommix gerade ist und gibt eine Prognose für die kommenden Tage. Michael nutzt dafür eine große Kachel auf dem Homescreen, die je nach Lage grün oder rot leuchtet und eine Prozentzahl anzeigt.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp>Wie die Strompreis-App sorgt das ganz nebenbei für ein besseres Gefühl dafür, wann gerade viel grüner Strom im Netz ist.\u003C\u002Fp>",{"id":112,"name":113,"website_url":114,"description":115,"image":116},"1e69b2ac-af5f-456d-8f7b-81d53db9aa8c","Paseo","https:\u002F\u002Fpaseo.sh","\u003Cp>Paseo ist eine Open-Source-App, mit der ihr mehrere Coding-Agents wie Claude Code, Codex oder OpenCode parallel auf euren eigenen Rechnern laufen lasst, inklusive Editor, Terminals, Diffs und Pull Requests in einem Fenster. Bisher war für Fabi Conductor das Go-to-Tool, um seine parallelen Workstreams zu organisieren.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp>Was ihm dort fehlt, bringt Paseo direkt mit: eine native App für iOS und Android, mit der er auch unterwegs vom Handy aus weiterarbeiten kann. Bei Conductor gibt es die Mobile-App nur im kostenpflichtigen Pro-Abo.\u003C\u002Fp>",{"id":117,"title":12,"description":12,"tags":12,"location":12,"filename_disk":118,"filename_download":119,"metadata":120,"type":51,"filesize":121,"modified_by":12,"modified_on":122,"embed":12,"uploaded_by":123,"uploaded_on":124,"folder":12,"width":125,"height":126,"charset":12,"duration":12},"cf424e13-5ba1-4d0c-a810-0405dbb1ab88","cf424e13-5ba1-4d0c-a810-0405dbb1ab88.jpg","paseo-sh.jpg",{},"58080","2026-10-13T16:40:39.656Z","0bccec21-651a-4e94-a466-2ae142e34e0b","2026-10-13T16:40:39.654Z",1366,768,{"id":128,"name":129,"website_url":130,"description":131,"image":12},"8d175c53-812f-4f71-b8b1-79ab242ec1dc","Strompreis – Widget","https:\u002F\u002Fapps.apple.com\u002Fde\u002Fapp\u002Fstrompreis-widget\u002Fid1644399828","\u003Cp>Die iOS-App Strompreis nutzt Michael vor allem als Widget auf dem Homescreen. Dort sieht er auf einen Blick, wie sich der Börsenstrompreis heute und morgen entwickelt, soweit er schon bekannt ist.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp>Obwohl er selbst gerade keinen dynamischen Tarif hat, will er wissen, ob Strom gerade teuer oder super günstig ist. So läuft die Info ganz nebenbei mit.\u003C\u002Fp>",[],[],[135],{"first_name":42,"last_name":43,"profile_image":56,"slug":40,"description":44,"event_image":45,"academic_title":12},493,209,[],{"id":140,"service":141,"supported_features":142,"speakers":145,"raw_response":151},"f917bfa0-d02a-42e2-be54-af5e19dc705d","deepgram",[143,144],"timestamps","diarization",[146,149],{"identifier":147,"name":148},"0","Dennis\u002F Fabi",{"identifier":150,"name":42},"1",{"metadata":152,"results":169},{"transaction_key":153,"request_id":154,"sha256":155,"created":156,"duration":157,"channels":158,"models":159,"model_info":161,"diarize_info":166},"deprecated","01a16974-6dd3-72e1-8519-e1853ed1c30e","2ec7e1adf1cb0e7679c4c88e769ac6e63527df18be132304cbc6565531309166","2026-10-23T15:50:09.017Z",4605.9136,1,[160],"91f8eabe-2126-4ed4-9e56-d480032309b3",{"91f8eabe-2126-4ed4-9e56-d480032309b3":162},{"name":163,"version":164,"arch":165},"2-general-nova","2024-05-09.3071","nova-2",{"model_uuid":167,"arch":168},"a9f85c2b-5afb-4b9d-b49b-492c43a01cfb","v1",{"channels":170,"utterances":44217},[171],{"alternatives":172},[173],{"transcript":174,"confidence":175,"words":176,"paragraphs":41607},"Hallo und herzlich willkommen zu einem neuen Programmierbar DeepDive. Wir sprechen heute über EWCC. Ich bin Dennis Becker und zusammen mit mir im Studio der Fabi Fink, hallo. Und über dieses Toolprodukt zu sprechen, haben wir uns keinen anderen eingeladen als denjenigen, der das Ganze entwickelt und betreibt und das ist Michael Gers. Hallo Michael. Hallo, vielen Dank für die Einladung. Schön, dass Du da bist. Schön, dass Du die Zeit gefunden hast direkt. Der schaut auch an einen unserer Hörer, der uns einen Feedback geschickt hat und hat gesagt, hey, ihr habt euch eine Folge zu 1.5 Grad aufgenommen oder wollt die Aufnahmen sogar im Announcement. Was ist denn eigentlich mit als Ergänzung, Erweiterung oder Alternative dazu? Kriegt ihr nicht hin, den Michael in eurem Podcast mal zu holen. Und interessanterweise hatte ich die Verbindung irgendwie nicht in meinem Kopf nicht so gemacht. Ich bin selbst Kunde, also wir klären gleich gleich direkt, was es ist. Genutze es selbst, unterstütze es auch selbst und von daher diese Idee sehr, sehr gut. Ja und finde schön, Michael, dass Du heute die Zeit hast, mit uns darüber zu sprechen. Sehr cool, ja. In deinen eigenen Worten in 1, 2 Sätzen, was ist das Ganze? Puh, was ist das Ganze? Also, was ist EVCC? Ich hab das Gefühl, es es also es verändert sich, es erweitert sich über die Zeit ein bisschen, aber wir haben sind gestartet mit 'ner Lösung, PV Überschussladen, eigenes Auto, eigene PV Anlage zu Hause möglich zu machen. Das war so das Start Setup und inzwischen haben wir aber auch Kombinationen zusammenspielen mit dem Hausspeicher, aber auch Wärmepumpensteuerung und inzwischen auch kleine Verbraucher und alles, was noch so im Haus drum rum anfällt und was mit Energie und bisschen größeren Energiemengen zu tun hat. Genau. Also alles, was da was da eine Rolle spielt, da fühlen wir uns für verantwortlich beziehungsweise wir wollen da was für bauen. Mhm. Jetzt sagst Du schon wir und sprichst nicht von ich, das heißt, da sind mittlerweile einige mehr Leute involviert oder wie ist das Ganze aufgebaut? Genau, also ich bin in der Tat auch gar nicht der, der das Projekt damals ins Leben gerufen hat. Ich bin jetzt aber schon seit 6 Jahren, glaube ich, mit dabei und das Projekt ist so sechseinhalb oder so alt und wir sind im im Kernteam 3 Leute, die mit unterschiedlichen Schwerpunkten. Ich komm ja so aus der der User Interface Web Ecke. Wir haben aber auch jemanden, der kommt aus eher aus der Elektrotechnik Ecke, was total super ist, wenn man mal irgendwie son Datenblatt für eine Wallbox lesen muss und dann auch 'n Gefühl dafür hat, was das eigentlich bedeutet, wenn da was drinsteht. Genau. Und genau, dann noch den, der es damals gegründet hat, Andi, der oder das damals durchs Leben gerufen hat und der ist mehr oder weniger auf auf allen Schichten unterwegs und und organisiert da dazwischen rum und und macht Dinge. Genau, aber wir sind son bisschen 3 Leute mit unterschiedlichen Fachbereichen, würd ich jetzt mal sagen. Mhm. Okay. Vor 6 Jahren hast Du gesagt, hast Du damit angefangen oder Du bist damit eingestiegen? Hättest Du erwartet, dass es diese Größe erreicht? Nee, natürlich nicht. Also ich ich hab damals eine Werk irgendwie damals auch noch bestellt. Das war klar, das kommt irgendwie. Und ich hab nach was gesucht, ne, nach fertigen Lösungen geguckt und nix, wie das, ihr kennt das ja, wie das so ist, nix gefunden, was mir irgendwie gefallen hat. Dann hab ich oder Open Source Projekten geguckt und dieses dann damals noch sehr kleine Projekt gefunden. Hab dann da auch irgendwie gleich irgendwie die Geldschwände hingemacht und dann kam 1, ah, kurz hin, hättste nicht Bock auch mitzumachen. Und na ja, dann bin ich da irgendwie reingerutscht und stecken geblieben und genau, Community gab's damals auch schon. Das waren, keine Ahnung, so 2, 3 Handvoll Leute, die da auch regelmäßig Ideen und Sachen diskutiert haben. Genau, inzwischen ist es aber halt, ja, sehr viel größer und und genau, mit auch von. Wir haben relativ viele Australier, die aktiv sind lustigerweise. Also es gibt es ist spannend, dann zu sehen, wo das Feuer fängt und wo aber auch nicht, ne. Also Amerika kommt immer mal wieder was, aber total selten dafür, dass das Land so groß ist. Aber genau, man kann sich irgendwie im Grunde überlegen, warum das vielleicht so ist, aber ja. Also deutsche deutschsprachige Community, Benelux und so. Es ist ziemlich groß und auch relativ stark im im Energieoptimieren Business quasi unterwegs und da kriegen wir viel Feedback und auch viel Input. Vielleicht für uns hier ist es klar, aber für unsere Hörer vielleicht noch nicht. Du hast ja gerade Dennis den Vergleich schon zu 1.5 Grad gemacht, ne, die mit HardBeat AI ja 1 1 1 Hardware haben, die son bisschen diese Automatisierung übernimmt. Das ist ja 'n kostenpflichtiges Tool oder 'n kostenpflichtige Hardware. Vielleicht kannst Du noch mal kurz at at 10 EPCC. Es ist ja Open Source, wenn Du und auch wenn Du von 3 Personen im Kernteam sprichst. Was heißt das? Seid ihr wirklich Vollzeit mit EVCC beschäftigt? Ist das eine Open Source und ihr seid nur die Hauptmaintainer? Also gebt uns vielleicht noch 'n bisschen Kontext dazu, wo sich EVCC positioniert. Genau. Also ursprünglich also war das erst mal, also ein ganz normales in Anführungszeichen, 'n Open Source Projekt. Da macht man irgendwie Dinge und so. Und genau, ich fand das immer sehr, sehr cool, daran zu arbeiten. Für mich war irgendwann klar, ich möchte eigentlich, also Familie und Kinder und wie auch immer und dann ist die die Abende, die man und die Wochenenden, die man da reinstecken kann, die sind dann schon auch noch begrenzt, bevor es dann andere soziale Probleme gibt quasi. Und für mich war eigentlich immer klar, eigentlich möchte ich das bei Daylight quasi machen, ne. Und wir haben uns dann relativ früh son son Sponsoring Modell überlegt, also irgend eine Art von Einkommen, mit der man dann so eine Vision dann auch irgendwie machen und und aufbauen kann. Genau, das haben wir machen wir jetzt schon seit einiger Zeit. Das heißt, der Code ist komplett offen. Der allergrößte Teil ist auch unter MIT Lizenz, aber wir haben Integrationen für Wallboxen haben wir, also die sind auch offen vom Code, aber die sind unter 1 Lizenz, dass Du die nicht einfach weiter vertreiben kannst. Das ist, genau, das ist die Struktur von dem Open Source Projekt und unser Modell ist, dass wir halt nach Sponsoring fragen. Das heißt, wir sagen, hier trag was zum Projekt bei, dann kannst Du die die Software, die binaries, wie auch immer einfach so verwenden oder also dort mitarbeiten, Doku schreiben, wie auch immer oder halt das, was jetzt viele Leute machen, was einfacher ist, einen finanziellen Beitrag machen. Das heißt, wir haben damals mit GitHub Sponsoring angefangen. Das kannte ich damals noch gar nicht, aber das war da war's zumindest für mich relativ neu, wo wir gesagt haben, okay, kleines Betrag, den wir da einstellen können. Wenn man den regelmäßig beiträgt, dann dann dann gilt das als gesponsert quasi. Inzwischen haben wir noch mehr Optionen, wo Du auch 'n allgemein Betrag für Leute, die sagen, nee, Abo und so, ich kann Bock drauf. Ich geborene euch gerne einmal Geld, damit ihr da weitermachen könnt, aber nichts regelmäßiges bitte. Und genau, das das haben wir inzwischen auch. Was ist inzwischen, haben wir jetzt schon länger auch. Genau, so so funktioniert das. Das heißt, wir haben einen einen einen Finanzierungskanal und mir war auch immer wichtig, dass das primär von der Community kommt oder... Mein, ich hab ein... Also eigentlich eigentlich war meine Vision, dass es eigentlich ausschließlich von den Nutzern kommt Und da sind wir auch mehr oder weniger gelandet gelandet. Also wir haben jetzt keine Sponsoren, große Corporate Sponsoren. Wir haben 'n paar Logos auf der Webseite, aber das sind eher kleine Beträge, die die beisteuern. Der Großteil wird in der Tat von der Community, also von Einzelleuten, die das benutzen und die wollen, dass die Software weiter existiert, getragen. Und zumindest bei mir ist es jetzt, das weiß ich gar nicht, wie wie wie deutlich da schon wieder reden darf und wann das hier ausgestrahlt wird, auch so, dass das jetzt in absehbarer Zeit mein mein Vollzeitjob quasi wird und mein Angestelltenjob dann an den Nagel gehängt wird quasi. Ja, ist doch schön, dass Du das dann genauso geklappt hat, wie Du dir das vorgestellt hast. In der Tat, freut mich auch. Überrascht mich auch immer wieder ein bisschen und ich muss dann auch immer Dinge erklären, wenn wenn das Leute erfahren oder wie ich das Leuten erzähle, aber es ist genau... Also find ich eigentlich total super, ja. Cool. Hast Du das Gefühl, dass damit irgendwie mehr auch noch son Businessgedanke reinkommt, als er vorher war oder versuchst Du das möglichst irgendwie davon wegzuhalten? Gute Frage. Also ich hab schon ganz viele Projekte, also auch Open Source Projekte gesehen, die dann halt son Turn genommen haben, nur wo ich das wo ich gedacht hab, ah, das war mal so geil und jetzt ist das irgendwie, keine Ahnung. Jetzt sind da, ich will nicht sagen, Produktmenschen reingekommen oder so. Also ich ich find auch gute Produkte total super. Aber eigentlich, also unser Kern und das, worauf wir total viel Wert legen, ist, dass das Open Source Ding eigentlich das ist, wonach wir die Entscheidung treffen, dass möglichst viel der Sachen offen sind. Wir müssen uns natürlich aber auch zu Sachen verhalten. Am Anfang hatten wir das mit den Lizenzen nicht so gemacht, wie ich das eben beschrieben hab. Das führte dann dazu, dass alle Leute Boxen, mit ihr wollt CC drauf verkaufen oder dann mit ihrem eigenen Logo verkaufen Mhm. Und die dann irgendwie auf auf eBay oder was auch immer und der Support bei uns landet und das fühlte sich dann irgendwie weird an, ne? Wir sagen, okay, wir wollen das irgendwie möglichst offen machen und dann bauen andere Leute darauf 'n Geschäft auf, das ist irgendwie schräg. Ja. Genau und jetzt mit dem Modell, was wir gerade haben, fühle ich mich eigentlich ganz wohl. Also wir sind nicht so, dass wir sagen, ah ja, das ist jetzt hier wirklich... Wir haben auch keine Ambitionen, da jetzt irgendwie eine Hardware rauszubauen, die wir irgendwelche Regale oder irgendwelche Großhändler oder so was kriegen. Da gibt's Leute, die dann aufbauen auf unserem Sponsor Modell jetzt so was machen. Das ist auch total fein, ne. Da kriegen wir dann eben unser Teil von ab. Mhm. Genau, aber wir selber, also E-Mail-'Hadwaraprodukte oder das das das noch mehr zu produktisieren oder Premiumservices oder was auch immer, eigentlich widerstrebt uns das 'n bisschen und genau. Das heißt, wenn jetzt jemand E-PC-C nutzen möchte, wie wär denn aktuell so die, also ich hol mir einfach irgendwie 'n Raspberry Pi und da spiele ich E-PC-C drauf oder was ist der typische Weg, wenn ich jetzt sag, okay, irgendwie damit würde ich gerne mein Haus steuern? Genau, das ist der Klassik. Der der der Klassikweg, also wenn Du noch gar nix hast, ne, dann holst Du dir 'n Raspberry Pi oder irgendwie 'n anderen Singleboardcomputer. Wir haben irgendwie auch auch 'n Nano Pi, die sind noch 'n bisschen günstiger und auch bisschen verfügbarer grade. Und wir brauchen nicht viel Hardware, das heißt, genau. Also irgend 'n kleinen Single Wall Computer, da gibt's dann fertige Linux Images, die kannst Du auf eine SD Karte flashen und dann steckst Du den da rein. Dann hast Du irgendwie im im Webbrowser, nachdem Du irgendwie einmal 'n WLAN Setup gemacht hast, wirst Du irgendwie durchgeleitet und kannst dann deine Wallbox anlegen, deinen Wechselrichter da konfigurieren und die Dinge machen. Genau. Das ist das, das ist der Flow an der Stelle. Cool. Und kannst Du uns 'n bisschen was so zu für unsere Tech Herzen, was ist 'n was sind so das Text Deck aus? Was bringt denn EVCC? Also was ist noch was was wird da drauf geflasht? Ja, also vom also einmal von der Software selbst, die ist in Go geschrieben und hat alle möglichen Schnittstellen, ne. Wir sprechen irgendwie MQTT und REST und MCP und was man was man heute so spricht, irgendwie Daten da rein- und rauszukriegen. Und die Nutzeroberfläche ist eine View JS Anwendung, die oben drauf sitzt. Es gibt Apps, eine 1 iOS App und eine Android App, mit der man das auch das Setup machen kann oder wo Du auch... Inzwischen haben wir auch native Widgets, die man sich dann irgendwie auf den Homescreen packen kann, dann irgendwie seinen Ladepunkt direkt eben mit einem Klick hin- und schalten zu können. Also zum Ergänzungen, die dann halt so über die Zeit kommen, ne? Leute haben Ideen. Genau, das ist son bisschen die das von der Software da vom TechSac. Da benutzen wir plus dann die, die Widgets müssen dann halt in nativer Sprache der jeweiligen Plattform gebaut werden. Und auf der Unterseite, Du sagst ja eben, was wird dann da drauf geflasht? Da haben wir einen einen Armbian, wo wir halt vorkonfiguriert unsere Software drauf haben. Also einen den Debian, was halt für Single Boardcomputer angepasst ist. Also Armbian Projekt ziemlich ziemlich cool. Kann man sich auf jeden Fall mal angucken, wenn man wenn man so was Ähnliches machen will. Die unterstützen unglaublich viele Hardwareplattformen neben dem Raspberry Pi halt, ne. Genau und bieten da gute Tools, einfach wirklich 'n Linuximvac zu bauen, ohne da jetzt Superexperte drin sein zu müssen. Das ist vielleicht auch noch mal ganz kurz auch, weil Fabi und ich sind wahrscheinlich eher 'n bisschen näher dran. Wir haben beide eine PV Anlage, beide 'n Elektroauto, beide irgendwie 'n Speicher und so weiter. Vielleicht vielleicht noch mal so das Problem oder für die, die all diese Komponenten noch nicht haben, noch mal ganz kurz auf das Problem eingehen, was ihr versucht zu lösen und was da praktisch so technisch der Hintergrund ist oder wie kompliziert das ist, das zu tun. Ja. Ich ich kenn ja mal von meinem Use Case von früher anfangen. Also ich hab Auto gekriegt und dann hab ich gesagt hab ich gesagt, gut, kaufe ich mir eine Wallbox und kaufe ich mir irgendwie eine smarte Wallbox, weil dann ist das mit der PV Steuerung und so, dann geht das bestimmt alles und dann hast Du die Dinger da hängen, dann guckst Du dir das an und siehst, okay, smart bedeutet, dass da irgendwie eine SIM Karte drin ist, aber das heißt nicht, dass diese Wallbox irgendwas von PV Strom oder einem Wechselrichter oder sowas weiß und dann gibt es irgendwelche Zusatzprodukte, die es zu dem Zeitpunkt über Norwegen, pass auch mal. Also komische Dinge, das heißt, es gab jetzt irgendwie nichts, wo ich einfach irgendwie Adapter oder Produkte kaufen konnte, die ich dann die dann gemacht haben, dass meine PV Anlage direkt mit dem Wallbock spricht. Genau, das heißt, das ist erst mal an der Stelle schwierig. Die meisten PV Anlagen, Wechseldirektorhersteller haben inzwischen auch eine eigene Wallbox im Sortiment. Das heißt, ich kann sagen, ich gehe was auch immer zu SMA und kauf eine SMA Wechselrichter, eine SMA Batterie und auch eine SMA Wallbox und dann geht das irgendwie. Dann haben sie in der kann ich in der SMA App auch sagen, ja, jetzt machen wir irgendwie Überschussladen. Das ist alles gut, solange Du halt in dem System bleibst, ne. Bei Tesla gibt's das auch. Tesla ist, die sind da ist sogar noch 'n bisschen weirder. Die haben eben den Tesla Tesla Wall Connector, die die Tesla Wallbox quasi. Da geht das PV Überschuss steuern nur, wenn Du auch Tesla daran angeschlossen hast. Da kannst Du das zum Beispiel nicht machen, wenn ein Fremdfahrzeug daran angeschlossen ist. Das heißt, die Wallbox, eigentlich ist die Wallbox gar nicht steuerbar, sondern die Wallbox gibt einfach nur über über Cloud quasi das Steuersignal an das Auto weiter und das geht halt noch beim beim Tesla. Das heißt Weil der Tesla dann sozusagen sagt, wann geladen wird man nicht geladen. Genau. Tesla ist, also die haben eine echt gute Auto API und da kann ich auch irgendwie, da kann ich Start Stop machen über die API und ich kann auch sagen, wie schnell und wie langsam geladen werden soll. Können, ich glaube, neben Tesla wüsste ich jetzt grade gar keinen Hersteller, der das also wirklich auch die die Lade die Ladeströme quasi von außen steuern. Das können die anderen alle nicht. Da sind wir meistens froh, wenn wir überhaupt irgendwie 'n Up to date Akkustand oder so was aus diesem Fahrzeug raus rausquetschen können quasi. Genau, also will sagen, es gibt Lösungen, wenn man sich auf son Ökosystem quasi einschießt, die dann funktionieren, ne, wo das dann einfach so mit den mit den Sachen, die sich der Hersteller überlegt hat, geht. Spätestens inzwischen hab ich hier noch eine... Wir haben unsere PV Anlage mal erweitert und da war aber 'n anderes Wechsel durch das System irgendwie günstiger. Spätestens wenn dann 2 unterschiedliche Hersteller da drin sind, hat man meistens verloren. Dann ist das... Da hab ich irgendwie 2 Apps. Also hab ich jetzt gerade auch, ne, von dem einen Wechselrichterherstellung und von dem anderen. Die Zahlen kann ich irgendwie addieren, teilweise muss die auch abziehen, was auch immer. Also das halt, wenn ich noch irgendwie Akku rein und raus oder so was habe, dann fängt's auch an kompliziert zu werden, was jetzt wirklich mein Netzverbrauch war. Und genau, also das ist dann das, wo EVCC, aber auch andere Energiemanagementsysteme, die man sich dann irgendwie kaufen kann, wo wo der Bereich anfängt, ne. Wo man sagt, okay, eigentlich möchte ich 'n 'n 'n Steuerungs- oder 'n Visualisierungssystem haben, was erst mal losgelöst ist von konkreten Marken, sondern wo ich wie Wallbox von Hersteller a, Bit Wechselrichter von Hersteller b zum Beispiel miteinander anschließen kann. Genau. Noch 'n bisschen komplizierter wird das dann, wenn ich noch 'n dynamisches Stromtarif oder so was kriege. Das können also dann dann verlässt man meistens auch schon die Insel, wenn's nicht der Strom ein Stromtarif des Anbieters ist. Auch das gibt es halt, ne. Also Wechselritterhersteller, die die auch gleich Strom verkaufen wollen oder Autohersteller. VW ist da, glaub ich, grade drin, ne. Die geben dir gerne eine Wallbox mit dazu und die geben dir auch gerne gleich 'n Stromtarif mit dazu, wo Du dann auch später noch direkt neues Laden. Also alle bauen da ihre kleinen Inseln quasi, sich dann... Das macht auch aus der Sicht sicher auch Sinn, wenn wenn man wenn man son son Player ist. Genau, aber sobald Du diese Insel verlassen oder miteinander verbinden willst, brauchst Du halt was anderes. Und das ist meistens der Weg, wo die Leute dann unter anderem zu uns kommen und sehen, okay, das scheint zu funktionieren, jetzt a und b da miteinander zu verbinden. Mhm. Ja, vielleicht noch mal Überschussladen, hast Du jetzt ja auch schon mehrmals erwähnt, ne. Also es ist grundsätzlich, wenn man eine PV Anlage hat und das Gefühl, nicht das Gefühl. Und man kann sehen, dass man mehr produziert, als das Haus grade braucht oder der Speicher braucht, den man vielleicht eingebaut hat, dass man diesen Strom dann eben in das Auto lädt, dort möglichst kostengünstig den Strom einfach zu verbrauchen. Stimmt, so mit vorne bin ich gar nicht angefangen. Ja, korrekt. Ja, man man weiß ja nicht, ne. Wir alle Ja, ja, nein, ja. Auch in der Zahl eine PV Anlage. Ich glaub, wollen wir sie da abhängen, lieber noch mal erklären. Genau. Wie sehr siehst Du denn, also wie ich hatte am Anfang eingeleitet ne, das war 'n Feedback zu der 1.5 Grad Folge, die wir irgendwie hatten. Wie sehr siehst Du denn da EVCC als Alternative oder wie sehr stellst Du dir vor, soll es dort verankert sein und welche Use Cases so alle noch zusätzlich abdecken? Alternative zu Systemen wie 1.5 Grad, meinst Du jetzt konkret oder? Gute Frage. Also was wir... Also da wir ja nicht so auf in der Produktbauwelt sind, haben wir jetzt auch nicht so was wie son son Vergleichsheet, wo wir sehen, was macht so der Wettbewerb und so. Das kriegen wir son bisschen, also wie das bei Open Source Projekten so ist, das kriegt man halt implizit, indirekt dadurch, dass Leute sagen, hier, da daher kenn ich dieses Feature oder wär doch cool, wenn ihr das und das könnt. Das nervt mich an 'nem anderen System, dass das da nicht geht. Genau. Also was bislang unser Kern ist, ist halt wirklich so mehr oder weniger die terministische Regel, ne. Das heißt, die Sonne scheint. Ich kann nie wie einmal konfigurieren, was ich dann haben möchte, also ob zuerst der Hausakku geladen werden soll oder ob zuerst das Auto geladen werden soll oder nach bestimmten Bedingungen. Er ist auch Hausakku halb voll und danach darfst Du irgendwie Auto machen oder so. Oder andersrum, ich will mit dem Auto gleich weg und ich könnte die Energie aus dem Hausspeicher vielleicht noch schnell eben ins Auto rüberschieben, bevor ich wegfahre, einfach damit der Speicher wieder frei ist und neue Sonne aufnehmen kann zum Beispiel. Genau, so Sachen, die haben wir aktuell gebaut und das ist sehr, also deterministisch mit, Du weißt, was passiert, ne. Was auch, also das ist ja das, wo 1.5 Grad, ich ich wie gesagt, ich bin jetzt mit deren Prospekten quasi ähnlich ganz vertraut, aber ich glaube, der das Key Ding, mit dem Sie immer in die Werbung gehen, ist, dass Sie halt irgendwie AI und automatisch optimieren und so was machen. Es gibt bei uns eine Gruppe von Leuten, die eher sonen mathematischen Background haben, die aus so 1 Stromoptimierungssicht und dann wirklich auch ein, 2 Tage nach vorne gucken, Ecke kommen. Das heißt, wir haben jetzt 'n Projekt, das nennt sich Optimizam. Aktuell kann man das anstellen, dann sieht man irgendwie, was der Optimizer tun würde. Ich bin jetzt grade hart am am Testen, heute Nacht nur 'n Testverlauf gehabt, der der nicht so funktioniert, wie ich mir vorgestellt hab, wo wird das Ding jetzt auch wirklich dem steuerbare Sachen in die Hand geben. Das heißt, was also was wir tun, ist, alles, was wir an Zukunftsdinge wissen, Sonnenvorhersage, Verhalten aus der Vergangenheit, füttern wir in diesen Optimizer quasi rein. Der macht 'n Plan. Der Plan wird auch regelmäßig aktualisiert und abhängig von diesem Plan und nicht nur davon, wie jetzt die aktuelle Situation ist, scheint kommt jetzt grad die Sonne, kommt jetzt grad die Sonne nicht, sondern son langfristigeren Plan. Der wird dann als Basis für die Regelung genommen. Genau. Da kommen dann auch immer gleiche Fragen mit, macht ihr das denn mit AI oder nicht? Aktuell ist das einfach einen einen einen, ich da ich in der Entwicklung gar nicht so so tief drin. Also in Python, wo numerisches Zollving passiert, wo probiert die preisoptimierteste Lösung quasi für die in sonem Viertelstundenraster für die nächste Zeit zu bauen. Genau. Wobei die Schnittstelle, die wir da haben, da spricht auch nichts dagegen, da einfach später andere Algorithmen oder andere Modelle quasi dazwischen zu hängen, die dann vielleicht nicht auf so ein Modell aufbauen. Aber genau, grade sind wir da bei den ersten Use Case mit dem numerischen Model an den Start zu kriegen. Mhm. Ich bin Ja, Fabi. Wenn ich draufblicke, weil wir hatten jetzt ja, wir springen vielleicht 'n bisschen zwischen dem Produkt und der Technik, aber wenn ich irgendwie auf die Technik blicke, hattest Du ja vorhin gemeint, okay, also das das Tax Stack ist grundsätzlich, dass ihr den Go geschrieben habt und so und dann hast Du darüber gesprochen, so was ihr alles sprecht. Ihr sprecht MQTT und ihr sprecht Reste. Ihr sprecht aber auch MCP, wo mich interessieren würde, wann in welchem Fall ihr MCP sprechen müsst. Aber wenn ich jetzt mal auf eurer Homepage gucke und Du hast ja gemeint, die die Typen, die ihr anbietet, sind Wallbox, sind Fahrzeuge, Wechselrichter und Wärmepumpen. Und wenn ich mal, in dem Fall hab ich meine AI Liste und gesagt, okay, guck doch mal, wie viele verschiedene Marken haben sie denn auf der Homepage? Da sind bei Wallbox und Wechselrichter irgendwas nördlich von 100. Fahrzeuge und Wärmepumpen sind wir irgendwie bei Fahrzeuge 60, Wärmepumpen 40. So ist, was ist das Typischste, was ihr vielleicht auch pro Kategorie irgendwie, wie die Interaktion ist und ich frag mich, wenn ich wenn ich so viele Wallboxen, Wechselrichter und Wärmepumpen und Fahrzeuge. Erstfrage ist, hast Du 57 Autos in der in vor deinem Haus stehen oder wie testet ihr die überhaupt? Wie bindet ihr das alles an? Ist es wirklich, dass ihr's immer mit physischen Geräten testet? Macht ihr's immer nur, wenn jemand aus der Community kommt und sagt, ich hab hier ein neues Gerät? Also wie kann ich mir das vorstellen, dass ihr die ganzen Anbindung für diese verschiedenen Anbieter macht und die irgendwie aktuell haltet, irgendwie dagegen testet, so wie... Ich stell mir das nicht ganz so simpel vor. Ja. Ich fang mal rückwärts an. Du hattest ja eben angefangen mit wie wie sprecht ihr mit denen und dann dieses wie verifiziert ihr das? Ich ich ich probier mal mit dem Letzten zu starten. In der in der Tat ist das so, dass alles, was da gelistet ist an Marke und auch an Gerät, also wenn's jetzt irgendwie, keine Ahnung, die gibt es mit ein und 2 und 3 Anschlüssen, dann kann das auch sein, dass wir mal sagen, nee, wir haben 'n Nutzer, der das mit einem getestet und das Datenblatt sagt, zweiter Dritter heißt dann nur noch die Zahl, die ihr damit angeben könnt, dann dann ist das... Also nicht alle Modellvarianten sind sind vielleicht Ende zu Ende getestet worden. Mhm. Aber es ist in der Tat so, dass alles, was an Implementierung da ist, ist entstanden, weil es 'n Nutzer gab, der gesagt hat, ich hab das Ding hier hängen, könnt ihr das einbauen? Mhm. Also wir gehen nicht los und sagen, ah hier guck mal, was ist denn 'n US Wallboxen oder sowas und gucken dann füttern Datenblätter irgendwo rein oder lesen die selber und bauen da da Implementierungen raus. Das heißt, da steckt in der Regel echt immer eine Person hinter und abhängig, jetzt kommen wir vielleicht auf die Protokolle, wenn wir mal bei den Wallboxen bleiben. Also der Klassiker ist, die sprechen Modbus, also 'n sehr, also son maschinennahes Protokoll quasi. Da muss ich irgendwelche Riester kennen und muss auch teilweise irgendwelche Abläufe und Tänze kennen im Sinne von ja, das machen und dann kurz warten und dann warten, bis dann das passiert ist und dann noch irgendwie weiter, ne. Also ist dann teilweise mehr als einfach nur sagen, jetzt los geht's. Genau, das heißt Modbus ist ist son Plastik Ding. Dann gibt's 'n paar Wallboxen, Go I und so, die können HTTP oder ich kann auch teilweise MQT sprechen, wenn man die irgendwie mit 'nem Server verbindet. Das ist, genau, bei bei gibt's da noch mal die, ja, einmal wieder zurück, gibt's noch mal die Spielart mit. Das passiert irgendwie seriell, über son son 2 3 Kabel quasi oder es funktioniert über Internet oder über Ethernet. Genau, und da gibt's 'n paar Wallboxen, zum Glück nicht zu viele, die wir halt nur über Online Schnittstelle erreichen können. Ich selbst besitze so eine Wallbox, weil ich gedacht hab, die sollte smart sein, das war eine doofe Entscheidung, aber egal. Ich glaub meine Haut. Ich hab eine Easy hier. Ja, ja, genau. Genau. Da gibt's auch einen größeren Expertenkreis diese Easy Wallbox und diese Easy Integration, also mehrere Nutzer, die wir dann, wenn wir 'n Problem haben, also ich 'n Problem habe oder jemand anders, was auch immer, dann weiß man schon, wen man ansprechen muss und sagt, hier ist das bei dir auch so und wie läuft denn das so? Und so ist das aber bei allen möglichen Gerätekategorien. Wo wir wissen, wenn da jetzt irgendwie jemand kommt und sagt, ah, mit dieser Wärmepumpe gibt's 'n Problem, dann wissen wir schon so ein, 2 Nutzer. Inzwischen haben wir das auch 'n bisschen automatisiert, dass wir auch sehen, wer hat contributed zu diesem Template und zu dieser Integration, dass wir die gleich anpingen und sagen, hier kannst Du da was zu sagen, bevor ich jetzt gucke, das zu revers zu engineer mit mit der Person, die sich grade gemeldet hat. Und das funktioniert ganz gut, aber ist in der Tat auch 'n großer Teil der Arbeit. Also das wirklich dieses Connecten von Leuten und und Gucken, dass man da Feedback kriegt und so, das das zu organisieren, ja. Und das heißt, das ist jetzt warst Du, jetzt warst Du bei Wallboxen und bei Wechselrichtern. Ist Fahrzeugenwerbung gefühlt ähnliche Landschaft so oder wie sind da noch mal Ja. Weil Fahrzeuge ist wahrscheinlich kein Modbus, würd ich jetzt mal tippen. Nee, bei Fahrzeugen haben wir immer, na ja, fast fast immer haben wir eine Online Schnittstelle, ne. Die ist bei 1 kleinen Handvoll Fahrzeughersteller gibt es offizielle Schnittstellen. Bei einigen ist es halt wirklich die Reverse engineierte Schnittstelle, die die Android App irgendwie verwendet, ne, wo's dann auch Open Source Projekte gibt. Das ist dann meistens auch das, was man in Home Assistant, wenn man die anwenden will, wo man ähnliche Wege quasi geht, da sind wir auch teilweise mit Leuten dann in Kontakt, ne. Also wenn ist die der der Mensch, der jetzt bei die die VW Integration für Home Assistant baut, der ist auch bei immer unterwegs und andersrum, wo man dann guckt, was macht man denn da eigentlich grade? Genau, da gibt's Hersteller, die sich auch gegen wehren und sagen, das ist eine, wir wollen das nicht, macht das mal bitte nicht und dann irgendwie absichtlich ihre API umbauen. Auch das passiert, das ist dann auf unserer Seite mal nervig. Also Fahrzeugschnittstellen ist son bisschen deutlich mehr Schwankungen drin als bei Wallboxen. Die kriegen meistens keine Firmware Updates, sondern hängen dann da so, wie die ausgeliefert wurden, wenn die nicht grade Internet connected sind, wie die easy oder so. Da ist es stabiler. Das heißt aber, es werden auch bei Fahrzeugen geschrieben vor. Da gibt's dann auch keinen so, ihr seid da irgendwie als als Anbieter registriert und könnt euch 'n API Token holen. Das ist eher so, da muss man bei euch im Portal einfach seine Endkunden, Passwort und E-Mail eingeben oder wie kann ich mir Ja. Wie macht eine Authentifizierung gegenüber? Genau, genau. Klingt hacky. Genau, uns ist das Dezentrale als superwichtig und wir wollen eigentlich keine zentrale Stelle spielen, ne? Ja. Und wir standen schon mehrfach vor dem Punkt, wo wir gesagt haben, keine Ahnung, deutscher Automobilhersteller kommt auf uns zu und sagt, hier, ihr könnt hier eine offizielle Schnittstelle kriegen. Ihr müsst diesen NDA unterschreiben und dann müsst ihr irgendwie diesen Vertrag pro API Aufruf oder so was unterschreiben. Und das hat den Vorteil, dass es dann kombiniert ist für den Nutzer, weil der kann dann einfach irgendwie klicken und dann geht das irgendwie, aber eigentlich wollen wir das nicht. Eigentlich wollen wir nicht irgendwie API Views da dazwischen verkaufen, sondern zumindest ich bin eigentlich der Überzeugung, dass wenn ich das Auto kaufe und sogar noch 'n Online Abo für dieses Auto bezahle im Monat, dass ich auch gerne der das Recht haben sollte, an dieses Fahrzeug und an seine Daten ranzukommen. Ja. Genau. Bei allen Dingen geht es, ne. Bei Tester muss ich mir 'n Developer Account anlegen und dann irgendwie die Daten vom Developer Account dann bei uns eintragen und dann dann komme ich da irgendwie dran. VW hat, ich hatte das eben so ohne Namen gesagt, aber ich kann das ja auch nennen. Also der VW Konzern hat die APIs von 'n paar Monaten Anfang des Jahres gab's eigentlich die heiße Artikel zu und so, haben die ihre APIs dichtgemacht und explizit geschützt gegen so Third Party Zugriffe. Da gab's großen Aufschreiungen, auch großes Feedback von vielen Leuten aus unserer Community, aber auch aus anderen Communities, die diese Schnittstellen verwenden und genau auch finden, da sollten Sie irgendwie was drauf haben. Was eine ganz coole Story ist, ist, dass vor 'nem Monat oder anderthalb Monaten Skoda auf uns zu bekommen. Auch da scheint es EVCC Nutzer lustigerweise zu geben in dieser Firma. Die gesagt haben, hier, wir kriegen da ganz viel Feedback und eigentlich finden wir das auch doof. Eigentlich möchten wir eine offizielle Schnittstelle für Endnutzer ohne B2B quasi geben. Wie sollte die denn aussehen? Was braucht ihr denn? Was können wir denn da machen, ne? Und das heißt, es sind wirklich mit uns in den Dialog getreten, bevor sie jetzt einfach irgendwas rausgehauen haben und da haben wir jetzt, kann man bei uns im Blog aussehen, irgendwie einen vor 2, 3 Wochen einen einen Blogartikel zugeschrieben. Da kann ich jetzt einfach in der App sagen, ich hätt gern 'n API Key, also in der normalen Endanwender App und den kannst Du kopieren, den kannst Du bei uns reinkopieren und dann kannst Du irgendwie mit deinem Fahrzeug sprechen. Das ist total geil, ne? Also so klingt es ja immer gut. Genau, genau richtig. Und ja, wir probieren ein bisschen zu pushen. Unsere unsere Power ist da natürlich eingeschränkt in dem Markt, weil die alle auch Geld verdienen wollen mit b-two-b-Sachen, aber ja. Also was, glaube ich, wirklich hilft, ist Nutzerfeedback. Das haben wir zumindest bei Skoda gemerkt, weil die hat sie hat sich auf uns zugekommen, weil die uns irgendwie toll finden oder da sondern wirklich, weil Kunden gesagt haben, könnt ihr, also was was geht da? Das ging doch vorher. Könnt ihr nicht machen, dass das wieder geht. Mhm. Heißt, VW geht jetzt auch weiterhin nicht oder was heißt was die VW Situation? Ja, jetzt komplicated. Ja, bei der Kombi geht es aktuell nicht. Okay. Genau, Skoda, also Skoda ist ja mit in dieser ganzen Gruppe drin und die haben irgendwie alle am gleichen Tag haben die ihre APIs ausgeschaltet. Ich glaube, außer Coupreis. Ich will jetzt nichts zweites erzählen, aber ich glaube, die haben's irgendwie angelassen. Skoda hat's auch ausgemacht und die haben mit ihrer Legacy API dann aber dann doch aufgrund von Feedback dann doch wieder angeknipst 'n paar Tage später und haben jetzt aber inzwischen ihre Nachfolgeschnittstelle, die halt wirklich dafür gebaut ist von den Aber ich muss ja mal mehr verstehen. Das heißt, die ihr habt ja vorher auch schon nur die benutzt, die dann ihre App benutzt hat. Das heißt, was ist dann mit der App so? Ist jetzt eine API, die ihr so einfach nicht mehr rankommt oder wie kann ich Ja, ich glaub, sie haben dann, ich bin da in der Tiefe nicht drin, aber Du hast auf auf Android und Co kannst Du dann ja auch so Integrity Sachen mal so was Banking Apps benutzen, dann bestimmte Dinge zu sperren oder da nicht reingucken zu lassen oder dann auch irgendwie eine Verifizierung auf der Geräteebene mitzuhaben und da haben sie, glaube ich, Dinge aktiviert und gemacht, die ich die man nicht so einfach von außen imitieren kann. Da gibt's, ich glaube auch bei der VW Integration für Homerystyistin gibt's, glaube ich, Umwege und Dinge, wo wir gesagt haben, weiß ich nicht, ob wir die jetzt schon mitgehen, das haben wir, glaube ich, erst mal nicht gemacht. Aber ja, das ist halt Katz und Maus, ne. Also klar, wenn die Daten irgendwo herkommen, dann können wir die vielleicht auch irgendwo herholen. Ja. Ja. Also bei Armino Neu war's ähnlich. Das hat lange Zeit irgendwie funktioniert. Ich glaube, ich weiß gar nicht, ob das war Anfang des Jahres oder so was haben die glaube ich auch irgendwas umgestellt und man muss immer sich son Token auch irgendwie generieren und dann gibt's son lustiges Skript, was irgendwo auf sonem GitHub Account liegt und wenn Du das irgendwie ausführst, dann Glück hast, dann öffnet sich die richtige Browserseite und dann wird da irgendwo an der Konsole irgend 'n Key ausgelesen, der dann ein bisschen dafür sorgt. Das ganze Ding wieder mit deinem Auto sprechen kann. Aber irgendwie ist der ja auf jeden Fall sehr, ich mein, sehr interessante Produktstrategie von VW so, ne. Ich mein, kann doch im Endeffekt von diesem Fahrzeughersteller nicht das Ziel sein. Also kann's schon irgendwie, weißt Du, wie war eine komische Vorstellung, dass Du einfach jegliche Komponenten von denen in deinem Haus hast, nur dann geht es so. Also ich das das Ja, also es es gibt ja auch, also ich kann über Third Party Services auch teilweise welche, wo ich mich privat anmelden kann. Also es gibt so so Fahrzeugaggregatoren quasi, da kann ich mir 'n Account machen, da bezahl ich den monatlich, was auch immer, Betrag x, 5 Euro oder irgendwie so was. Und dann haben die haben die genau diese B2B Deals, ne? Das heißt, ich kann dann da mich dann connecten mit VW, das heißt, meine VW Daten gehen an diesen Third Party Händler Portal Fahrzeugding, die macht ja noch 'n Fahrtenbuch rum. Die haben noch mehr Funktionen, als dass die nur API Sachen durchreicht, ne? Aber diese Wege gibt's natürlich auch und also TRONITY ist irgendwie son Name, ne? Die und die integrieren wir auch. Das heißt, wenn Du sagst Ja. Ich will das über diesen Weg machen, dann kannst Du dann auch einfach die Datenquelle bei E-V-C-reinhängen und wie dann, wo dann die Daten originär herkommen, ist dann erst mal auf unserer Seite egal, genau. Okay, also das war jetzt grad mein Denken, ne klar, Sie wollen einfach 'nem B2B Partner irgendwie mit mit Das ist meine, also wir haben mit ganz vielen Einzelpersonen gesprochen und da hat man auch immer das Gefühl, okay, die verstehen das teilweise, nutzen das auch selber und sie nervt uns auch, aber ja, wir auch mal. Also nee, ich glaube, es sind letztendlich sind es Firmen Entscheidungen. Und kannst Sie noch kurz über die Use Cases erzählen, was man eigentlich, also was macht man denn eigentlich mit dieser Autoschnittstelle? Du hast jetzt gemeint, klar, bei dem Tesla, dem kann ich irgendwie sagen, jetzt fangen wir an zu laden, laden wir mit so und so viel, aber theoretisch, also das ist ja typischerweise bei allen anderen Fahrzeugen, dann die Wallbox, die ihr da steuert und diese Informationen mit gebt. Was holt ihr euch dann oder was macht ihr mit den Fahrzeuginformationen? Batterie, Ladestand hast Du ja schon mal gemeint so, aber Genau. Gibt's noch andere Use Case oder ist das... Also das ist eigentlich die kritische Information, weil wenn wir den Fahrzeugstand kennen, können wir halt schlaue Dinge machen. Dann kann man so was bauen wie, das Fahrzeug ist jetzt mit 5 Prozent an die Wallbox angeschlossen worden. Normalerweise steht das irgendwie auf, mach nur, wenn PV Überschuss da ist, aber vielleicht, also zumindest bei mir hab ich's so konfiguriert, dass ich gesagt hab, okay, das Geld optimieren und PV optimieren ist mir erst mal egal, wenn das Auto so leer ist, ne. Also auch Akku Langlebigkeit, man soll die auch nicht so lange so leer rumstehen lassen, wie auch immer und aber auch Mindestreichweite, wenn dann irgendwas ist, irgendjemand ruft an, dann will ich trotzdem irgendwie in der Lage sein, so, keine Ahnung, 50 Kilometer mit dem Auto fahren zu können, ohne drüber nachzudenken. Das heißt, solche Funktionen können wir einbauen. Das heißt, wir stecken an im Moment des Ansteckens, checken wir das Auto, wie voll bist Du grade? Okay, Du bist, kleine Ahnung, kleiner als 5, kleiner 20 Prozent. Dann machen wir dich erst mal so schnell wie es geht, voll auf 20 Prozent. Und danach fangen wir an mit PV Überschussladen und 'n bisschen reduzieren. Das heißt, das ist ein Anwendungsfall. Und andere Anwendungsfall sind halt so regelmäßige oder so planerische Sachen, ne. Also mit, keine Ahnung, ich mach morgen irgendwie 'n Ausrufe, morgen nach Hamburg. Dann stell ich 'n ivcc ein, okay, morgen 8 Uhr guck mal, dass Du das Auto irgendwie voll machst, 100 Prozent oder irgendwie so was, ne. Dann kann dann der unser Planungsalgorithmus halt überlegen, gut, was kommt da heute über Tag noch rein? Wir haben eine PV Vorhersage, müssen wir nachts, wenn ich 'n Dynamische Stromtarif hab, kann man sich da noch günstige Slots raussuchen oder selbst wenn ich keinen Dynamische Stromtarif hab, können wir uns die c-o-zwei-neutralsten oder c-o-zwei- ärmsten Slots quasi raussuchen und sagen, okay, dann will ich zumindest zu grünen Stunden laden und muss jetzt nicht abends, wenn alle irgendwie ausm Netz ziehen und dann noch irgendwie die Gaskraftwerke anlaufen, noch mein Auto mit da reinhängen, ne. Genau, solche so Optimierungen gehen halt, wenn wir das Delta wissen, ne. Wenn wir wissen, wo willst Du eigentlich hin? Wie viel Energie brauchst Du eigentlich? So der Standardmove ist ja sonst, Du steckst es an, das Auto lädt einfach die ganze Zeit auf voller Geschwindigkeit und isst dann jemand voll, weil's nicht mehr mag oder weil's dann voll ist und und fertig. Das heißt, da sehen wir's von außen dann ja nicht, ja. Genau, die Alternative, wenn Du keine Fahrzeugschnittstelle hast, dann können wir das mit der Energiemenge auch manuell machen, ne. Das heißt, Du kannst es anschließen und dann sag ich nicht, morgens, Du sollst das Auto auf 100 Prozent laden, sondern zu morgen früh mach mal 50 Kilowattstunden obendrauf. Das heißt, ich muss aber wissen, wie voll ist das? Wie voll... Also ich muss dann diese diesen Dreisatz quasi im Kopf vollziehen und wenn genau, wenn wenn der Computer das machen kann, ist das immer schöner. Muss man weniger drüber nachdenken. Ja, auf jeden Fall. Ja cool, das heißt, dann haben wir jetzt mal eigentlich mal in alle Kategorien mal reingeblickt, Fahrzeugewechselrichter Wallboxen, wo wir jetzt nicht reingeschaut haben, war Wärmepumpen. Heißt das, die machen einfach am wenigsten Probleme oder oder warum hast Du uns noch nix über Wärmepumpen erzählt? Oder ist das so, komm, komm, jetzt erst die schlimmen Geschichten? Nee, gar nicht. Also ja, wobei es es kommt ein bisschen drauf an. Also Wärmepumpen, da da gibt's son bisschen 2 Kategorien. Also was fast alle Wärmepumpen haben, ist etwas, das nennt sich SG ready. Das heißt also, das ist ein sehr einfaches Protokoll in Anführungszeichen. Man hat da hinten son paar elektrische Kontakte und wenn man die in bestimmter Art überbrückt oder einen Schalter zwischen den beiden schließt, dann kann man die in sonen Modus versetzen. Das sind, also spannend, für uns sind eigentlich 2 Modi am Boost Modus, wo man der Wärmepumpe sagen kann. Übrigens, falls Du grade was zu tun hättest, jetzt wär 'n geiler Zeitpunkt. Wir haben Überschuss da, Strom ist total billig, was auch immer. Jetzt könntest Du voll Gas geben und keine Ahnung, das Warmwasser für morgens zum Duschen schon mal irgendwie voll machen. Und der andersrum Weg ist ein, das kommen wir eher so in den Regulierungsbereich, dass Du bei neuen Anlagen auch eine Dimmfähigkeit brauchst. Das heißt, der Netzbetreiber kann dir sagen, übrigens ist grade schwierig hier, machen wir alle regelbaren Verbraucher irgendwie auf Spafflamme quasi. Das heißt, da können wir an den an die Wärmepumpe auch 'n Dimm Signal schicken, also da dann den den Dimm Modus aktivieren und dann fährt die so weit runter, wie man das vorher einmal eingestellt hat. Geht bei Oneboxen auch, da steuern wir das dann halt direkt. Genau, aber das SD ready Ding ist der einfachste Fall. Das geht fast immer, weil ich brauch dann eigentlich nur son, keine Ahnung, irgend eine Art von steuerbares Relais, ne. Das ist oft 'n Shelly oder irgendwas anderes, wo ich mit 'ner Schnittstelle, mit 'ner API oder so was sagen kann, hier Du, mach mal auf, mach mal zu. Mhm. Was dann halt heißt, mach mal dimmen oder mach mal Boost. Das heißt, da hänge aber ich wirklich an die Wärmepunkte Elektriker. Elektriker. Die machen da nichts anderes. Genau. Genau. Genau. Also ja, das muss man da gucken, ne. Also das kann man dem Elektriker dann durchaus einbauen lassen. Das kennen die aber. Das ist das ist der Standardfall, wie man son SG ready Ding dann da benutzt. Allerdings, was wir was wir auf der Wechsel, Quatsch, auf der auf der Wärmepumpenanlage grade sehen, ist, dass es da jetzt auch Firmen gibt, die dieses Walt Garden Ökosystem game spielen wollen, die halt sagen, ja, unsere Wärmepumpe, ich nenn jetzt hier keinen Hersteller, auch weil ich ihn nicht sicher weiß, aber könnt ihr euch nachgucken, sieht man an den Interationen immer, was man da da eingeben muss. Du hast hier 'n Onlineaccount und über den Onlineaccount kannst Du dann auch sehen, was die Wärmepumpe grade tut und darüber kannst Du auf dieser Wärmepumpe die Signale geben und lokale Schnittstelle hat das Ding zum Beispiel gar nicht oder zumindest nicht 'ner nennenswerten Art. Das heißt, da haben wir Wärmepumpen drin, wo wir dann halt son halt mit sonem, ja, mit dem mit der Cloud des Wärmepumpenbetreibers machen müssen. Und das ist, also das ist aus Endnutzern Sicht nett, weil ich hab da irgendwie eine App und ich kann dann sehen, was macht meine Wärmepumpe da eigentlich? Aber das als den primären Kanal für auch für lokale Steuerbarkeit zu haben, ist eher was, wo wir 'n bisschen von genervt sind, was was wir natürlich gerne anders hätten. Genau, weil also bei Wärmepumpen habe ich das Gefühl, die sind jetzt relativ neu in, dass das passiert, aber da hab ich das Gefühl, die die spielen den, die sind deutlich cloudaffiner wie die normalen Wechselrichter oder Speichersysteme, wo eigentlich eine lokale Schnittstelle das eigentlich das ja das das Mehrminimum quasi ist, ne. Auch da hatten wir jetzt 'n paar Player, ich glaub, Anker mit ihren ersten größeren Hausprodukten, also für Speicher und Wechselrichter haben sie auch gesagt, nee, wir machen das nur mit Cloud und da gab's, glaub ich, so viel Feedback, dass sie inzwischen auch eine lokale Stelle, ich weiß gar nicht, ob's 'n Modbus ist, aber mit denen können wir jetzt auch sprechen, ohne dass da Cloud Account drauf, einfach weil Nutzerfeedback oder Marktfeedback war, dass man das haben wollte. Was Okay. Schönes. Und wenn Du jetzt den Use Case, also Du hattest jetzt SD Ready erklärt, so wenn wenn man irgendwie 'n Shelly oder irgendwas anderes dranhängt, da hab nur 2 Relais, diese 2 Zustände zu versetzen. Wenn's jetzt aber den Cloud Zugang gibt, wie wird die inwiefern steuert ihr die Wärmepumpe dann noch smarter? Also was gibt's Ja. Gibt's für Use Cases so, wie wie wie man das noch oft weiter optimieren kann? Genau. Also da also da gibt's teilweise bei mir 'n Punkt, wo wir auch wirklich Leistungsvorgaben oder Leistungsempfehlungen halt rausgeben können, ne. Nicht nur einen, machen wir jetzt mehr, machen wir jetzt weniger, sondern wir können der sagen, jetzt wären übrigens 5 Kilowatt an Leistung wären jetzt grade verfügbar. Die darfst Du jetzt nehmen und dann geht die auch nicht in 8 Kilowatt Modus, wo sie dann doch wieder ausm Netz nachziehen würde, was wir ja in 'nem anderen Fall nicht wirklich steuern können, ne. Da können wir nur sagen, mach oder mach nicht. Und wir können natürlich für uns in der Konfiguration noch angeben, was mach oder mach nicht ungefähr bedeutet bei dem Gerät, ne, sodass wir son bisschen wissen, wann wann macht das Sinn, wann macht das keinen Sinn, das schon zu tun. Aber genau, bei den Geräten, die... Das muss nicht zählen in der Cloudsteuerung gehen. Wir haben auch wirklich die lokalen Schnittstellen haben, wo wir das machen können. Da können wir halt 'n Leistungswert hingeben und dann sagen, das ist das das, was jetzt grade verfügbar wäre und nimm nimm das mal bitte. Oder wenn Strom günstig ist, sagen wir halt hier, reizt mal aus, was Du machen kannst zum Beispiel, ne, weil wir jetzt grade gar gar kein Überschusslimit haben, sondern einfach eine gute Zeit wäre, jetzt so viel wie möglich zu benutzen. Das heißt aber, wenn ihr jetzt eine Wärmepumpe sagt, mach mal 5 Kilowatt, das heißt dann, andere entscheiden aber die Werbepumpe. Also beispielsweise Ja, genau. Kann ja sein, es ist schon es ist schon warm in meinem Haus und ich will es nicht noch wärmer haben. Das heißt ja nicht nur, weil jetzt Energie da ist, dass mein Haus jetzt 3 Grad wärmer werden soll, ich's eigentlich haben will. Genau, richtig. Also bei Werbepumpen, die in der Regel haben die 'n Puffer, ne, also fast immer haben die 'n Puffer und der wird aufgeheizt. Das steuert jetzt nicht das Raumthermostat oder so was, ne. Und bei den Wärmepumpen ist es auch fast, ne, ist es auch schließlich so, dass wir da eine Leistungsempfehlung geben, also entweder binär über diesen Boost oder halt über, das wäre jetzt verfügbar und das, was die Wärmepumpe dann eigentlich macht, ist dann ihre Aufgabe, ne. Also wir fahren das Ding jetzt nicht irgendwie aktiv irgendwie hoch und sagen, mach mal halt deine Heizstäbe an oder benutzt mal irgendwas, obwohl das grade Mhm. Vielleicht gar nicht gebraucht ist oder in dem normalen Jahreszeitprofile Außentemperatur total unangebracht wäre. Genau. Und die andere Variante davon, wo wir Wärmeerzeugen sind, ich hab mir jetzt, ich hab wär mir sone Pelletsheizung. Wir haben sonen großen Wasserspeicher und ich hab jetzt vor 2, 3 Jahren dann Heizstab einbauen lassen. Einfach im Sommer, jetzt grade ist die Pelletheizung halt aus und die ist, was auch immer, schau ich wahrscheinlich auch erst im Oktober wieder an. Und jetzt grade ist da son Heizstab drin und der macht halt, wenn PV Überschuss da ist, macht der einfach aus aus elektrischer Energie einfach Wärme, ne, und heizt diesen Wasserspeicher auf. Und den steuern wir dann sehr direkt. Das heißt, da sagen wir wirklich, also hat man in der Regel eine Rückkopplung über son Temperaturfühler, ne, dass man so bestimmte Grenzen eineneilt, das die sollten da wirklich ein Gerät sein. Dass wenn irgendwie viele Funktionen 'n E-V-CC ist, dass das nicht dazu führt, dass das Wasser auf einmal anfängt zu kochen, obwohl es das nicht sollte, ne. Das ist immer so so Bassline, dass das Gerät das können muss. Genau, aber das jetzt hier ist es grade so, wenn das Auto nicht da ist und irgendwie Schauspieler voll sind, dann springt halt der Heizstab an, so als Letztesverwerter, bevor wir einspeisen, weil's dann immer noch 'n bisschen günstiger ist, dann einfach Wärme daraus zu machen, als dann für 7 Cent oder so was rauszugeben. Genau. Und da ist es aber so, dass genau, dass wir direkt die Leistung an dem Heizstab einstellen und der dann auch diese Leistung quasi mitmacht, solange er in seinem Temperaturbereich ist. Jetzt hast Du noch Fragen zu zu diesem Punkt der Theorie und sonst mach ich in meinem Kopf schon eine andere Kategorie auf an nächsten Fragen. Ja, also ich mein, ist ja keine jetzt persönliche Produktberatung grade, aber... Das Dingelstrackerweg. Es es kann kein Jingle, aber... Die, also ich hab, so Fragen habe ich auch noch, auf wen Du's nicht damit wünscht. Nein, das Ding ist, also ich, wie wie gesagt, ich hab ja, ne, ich hab zu Hause alles Mögliche an an diesen Komponenten, mittlerweile auch eine Wärmepumpe, PV Anlage, Elektroauto Wallbox, soweit vorhanden. Dynamischer Stromtarif auch. Bisher Tibber, ab jetzt eben 1.5 Grad direkt, weil meine Wärmepumpe von 1.5 Grad ist und ich jetzt erst mal gucken wollte, was die denn machen. In dem Sinne auch HardBeat jetzt. Das wird aber jetzt am ersten Oktober aktiviert, von daher bin ich mal gespannt, wie Smart oder welche Optimierungen da rausgeholt werden können. Und irgendwie in meinem Kopf, vielleicht hab ich auch noch nicht lange genug drüber nachgedacht, bin ich mir auch noch nicht so richtig sicher, wo ich denn jetzt am Ende welche Steuerung haben will. Denn als wir das Haus gekauft haben und umgebaut haben vor 5 Jahren oder so was, hab ich zusätzlich, kennt Fabio auch noch die Geschichten von Kontrollen, sone Heizungssteuerung, eine smarte Heizungssteuerung, die praktisch jeden einzelnen Heizkreis mit Sensoren überwacht bei der Fußbodenheizung und sonst jeden Heizkörper einen Funkthermostat hat, wo genau also in beide Richtungen praktisch Temperaturen zurückkommen und Temperaturen gesetzt werden, die denn da sein sollen. Und irgendwie frag ich mich jetzt in diesem ganzen Setup, diese Information fehlt ja eigentlich noch in beiden Systemen. Sowohl 1.5 Grad weiß das im Moment noch nicht, als auch EVCC weiß das nicht so richtig, was denn eigentlich der tatsächliche Bedarf ist. Und deswegen bin ich mir noch so unsicher, wo jetzt am Ende, also wenn's wirklich nur in den Überschuss geht, dann versteh ich das noch so, ne. Dann ist okay, jetzt ist Sonne, dann machen wir jetzt 'n bisschen das das das Wasser warm. Aber wenn wir jetzt auch noch mit dynamischen Stromtarifen irgendwie gucken wollen, ne, im typischen Verlauf wird morgens 8 Uhr viel Warmwasser verbraucht. Zwischen 2 und 3 Uhr ist es günstiger, das warm zu machen als zwischen 7 und 8 Uhr. Warmwasser ist ja auch noch relativ einfach. Aber dann auch noch zusätzlich die Heizung mit, wie warm ist es denn grade eigentlich im Haus und wie viel Heizleistung brauch ich? Und wie ist da die Kombination? Jetzt war jetzt gar keine konkrete Frage. Ich hab grade eigentlich nur, nee ich hab, wenn Du das Problem immer mal 'n Scherz sein, gehofft, Michael hat eine Antwort. Nee, also ich hab, also wir haben genau das, was Du grade sagst, da gibt's aktuell nicht nur Diskussionen, sondern in der Tat auch schon 'n Pierre, der jetzt seit 'n... Ah, der läuft schon seit 'n paar Monaten, aber da da wird wird fleißig dran gearbeitet, wo wir genau... Also bei... Wir haben jetzt... Wir haben jetzt... Wir haben jetzt... Ich hab ja bei 'nem Optimisandes Modell gesprochen, ne? Wo wir gesagt haben, okay, ich weiß, das Auto soll, was auch immer. Am Wochenende will ich irgendwo hin und bis zum Wochenende soll's 100 Prozent haben. Was ist jetzt der smarteste Move, das Auto auf 100 Prozent zu kriegen von 'nem leeren Zustand? Und wie kauf ich möglichst wenig Strom ein und was auch immer. Das also das ist total einfach, weil das ist irgendwie vorhersagbar, ne. Das Auto verliert irgendwie eigentlich keine keine Energie, dass es irgendwie geht immer nur in die eine Richtung, wenn da was reinmachst, dann wird das irgendwie voller. Beim Hausspeicher ist auch total vorhersehbar was passiert und das ist bei, genau, bei Wärme halt nicht so, ne. Da da packst Du was rein und duscht immer, dann ist das wieder weniger als vorher. Und dann musst Du wieder mehr reinpacken. Und dann ist auf einmal superkalt morgen und dann ist auch wieder weniger als vorher und dann musst Du noch mehr reinpacken. Und da gibt es genau Ideen, jetzt auch unterschiedliche Modelle, die man dann auswählen kann, abhängig davon, ob ich 'n Heizstab oder eine Wärmepumpe oder einen anderen Wärmeerzeuger da hab, die genau das modellieren, wo wir jetzt wir tracken inzwischen nach Außentemperatur. Also man kann das mal an einen Außentemperatur Tarif in Anführungszeichen also hinzufügen, das heißt, ihn Wetterdienst anbinden und sagen, okay, wird wir im Viertelstundentakt quasi haben wir jetzt auch eine Vorhersage für Temperaturkurven. Das heißt, wir wissen, wir haben sone Annahme, das aktuell noch konstant, ne, was was so die Innenhaustemperatur ist. Wir kennen die Historie und sehen, was haben wir eigentlich bei ähnlichen Temperaturen, Außentemperaturen eigentlich so eine Heizleistung gebraucht. Und genau, wir können nach vorne gucken und wissen, wird das morgen superkalt oder wird das morgen warm. Und abhängig davon, ob man jetzt Warmwasser macht, mal wirklich Räume beheizt, haben wir dann da 'n anderen 'n anderes Modell dahinter, was dann vorausbesagt, was das in Kilowattstunden bedeutet und wie viel wir dann vorsehen sollten, das dann zu haben, ne. Vorsehen im Sinne von, okay, dann lass uns den Speicher heute lieber nebenbei nachts günstig ausm Netz laden, als dass wir morgen Strom nachkaufen müssen, wenn's teuer ist oder irgendwie sowas, ne. Also in die Art Optimierung geht es. Das ist aktuell noch nix Gemerget, sondern nichts festes, aber da da gibt's genau. Okay und das basiert dann auf historischen Verbrauchsdaten oder kommen Temperaturdaten aus dem Haus auch in das System? Also die die Soll Innentemperatur ist in dem, also ich hab jetzt den den letzten Stand vom PR nicht im Kopf, aber ich glaube, da haben wir eine 1 fixe 20 Grad oder so was angenommen, dann die Differenz innen, außen zu modellieren. Und da sind auch jetzt keine Hausmodelle und Dämmung oder irgendwie so was drin. Mhm. Und auch nicht auf Raumebene, ne. Nicht, wo ich jetzt sehe, wie wie Du sagst, Du hast eine smarte Heizungssteuerung und wenn die jetzt sagt, das Untergeschoss soll irgendwie 3 Grad wärmer werden, das das ist darin jetzt erst mal nicht abgebildet. Mhm. Okay. Ja, spannend. Fabi. Dann was mich 'n bisschen interessieren würde jetzt weg von, vielleicht 'n bisschen weg vom Produkt hin zu, wie ihr das Ganze denn so entwickelt, wenn wir haben ja schon das häufige Mal auch Leute da gehabt, die mit Open Source Arbeit ihren Alltag bestreiten und daraus ihren ihren mich würd mal interessieren so, wie sieht dein Alltag aus, in diesem Dreierteam an diesem Open Source Projekt zu arbeiten? Also wie, kannst Du kannst Du uns voran hören? Wie sieht eine typische Woche für dich aus, wenn Du an sonem Produkt arbeitest? Gibt es sone typische Woche oder wie wie organisiert ihr euch? Was was wie läuft euer Alltag ab? Ja, also ich also ich hab ja ich hab früher relativ früh gesagt, eigentlich möchte ich das in in Daylight quasi machen, ne. Also ich bin auch samstags und und sorg teilweise auch so das nachmittags, wenn ich das ergibt oder so was dann dadran und mach da Dinge. Ich probier aber in der Tat möglichst viel halt in die Woche, in die in die normalen Zeiten für mich quasi zu verlegen. Was für mich son bisschen, also oder anders, was bei sonem Open Source Projekt son bisschen asynchron ist, also die die meisten Leute sind dann doch irgendwie nach Feierabend dann unterwegs und machen da Dinge oder am Wochenende hat man dann Samstag Zeit, Dinge auszuprobieren. Das heißt, ich bin son bisschen vielleicht der der Outlyer bei uns, also die anderen beiden Core Team Leute haben, also die die können sich in den Randzeiten mehr mehr organisieren. Das ist aber ganz gut, also das ergänz sich da ganz gut. Das heißt, das ist also gibt dann so unterschiedlichen Zeiten, mal unterschiedliche Leute, die zuerst auf E-Shos reagieren zum Beispiel und da Dinge machen. Aber genau, also 'n Großteil der Arbeit ist in der Tat, also E-Shirts, die reinkommen, sich angucken. Inzwischen haben wir auch eBay Bot, der nicht nur sagt, ist gutes schlechtes ist, sondern wirklich auch teilweise PS erzeugt und und Dinge macht. Also da hat es Mega Hilfe, aber die Menge an Input, die komplett auch größer dementsprechend. Das heißt, das ist so auf allen Seiten, levelt sich so der der der Durchfluss hoch. Da muss man 'n bisschen gucken, wie wir damit umgehen. Genau, aber auch auch PRs angucken, ne. Leute, die jetzt schon irgendwas relativ weit gebaut haben, das mit der Temperatur zum Beispiel, dass also sich dann da mal wirklich 'n Vormittag nehmen, das passiert man mir dann relativ häufig, wo ich dann probiere, so mir son Block zu nehmen und zu sagen, okay, den den und den, da möchte ich mich heute drum kümmern, möglichst mal nicht in die E-Shirts reingucken, sondern mir 'n Test Setup bauen und das Szenario nachbauen, was der Nutzer da beschreibt und zu gucken, macht das Sinn, hab ich noch eine andere Idee? Und dann da Feedback zu geben oder zu ergänzen und dann auch, also wir haben relativ viel Sachen, die so in 'nem PR Status von so 80 Prozent geht irgendwie sind und die dann auch wirklich bis zum Ende mit Doku schreiben und was bedeutet das eigentlich? Und haben wir Konflikt und so. Also das so bis zum Ende durchzudeklinieren, dass wir dass wir die auch wirklich in Release reinpacken und dass Leute die dann auch finden und benutzen können. Das ist 'n Großteil der der Arbeit. Und dann hab ich immer noch mal eine lange Liste von Dinge, die ich eigentlich, die wir eigentlich mal machen sollten quasi, ne? So mit, keine Ahnung, bessere Charts bauen und also ganz viele Sachen oder irgendwie die unsere Ladepunktübersicht noch mal überarbeiten, keine Verbraucher denen irgendwie mehr mehr Space zu geben, auch für Leute, die jetzt gar keine Wallbox haben. Das ist einfach so als Energie Dashboard quasi zur Verfügung zu stellen, weil ganz viel von dem, was man dafür braucht, haben wir eigentlich, ne. Nur dass wir 'n sehr starken Fokus auf Elektroauto, Überschussdaten und Wärme haben und jetzt so einfach nur Funksteckdosen, die ich zu Hause habe. Da könnte das auch, also da ist es jetzt auch schon 'n geiles Tool für, aber ist nicht quasi beziehungsweise man man merkt das ein bisschen, dass das so der der Nachgedanke ist und darauf zu optimieren. Das sind ja so Punkte, wo ich dann auch probiere, mir dafür explizit Zeit zu schaffen und zu sagen, okay, heute lässt Du das mal, guckst mal, dass Du da irgendwie 'n Stückchen weiterkommst. Aber ja, es ist also sehr selbstbestimmt, aber auch ein bisschen sehr fremdbestimmt, weil halt viel über die die GitHub Signale quasi, ne, also E-Shure, PRs, die reinkommen, ja, auch reinkommt. Und ihr zu dritt, wie organisiert ihr euch so? Ist es so, seid ihr wirklich, seid ihr komplett dezentral so? Trefft ihr euch regelmäßig oder? Ja, wir haben wir hatten, das war ganz nett, wir haben Anfang des Jahres ein Nutzertreffen gehabt, User im Mai, glaube ich, ein 1 User Treffen im am Ruderverein in Osnabrück, die EVC 10 Nutzer sind und gesagt haben, mir falls ihr mal irgendwann Räumlichkeiten braucht, ne, wir hätten da was und dann haben wir gesagt, ja können wir uns vorstellen, dann kamen sie gleich mit Terminvorschläge die Ecke und dann ist das sehr schnell sehr konkret geworden, was aber sehr cool war. Das heißt, da sind dann irgendwie aus Deutschland und umliegenden Ländern irgendwie 50, 60 Leute zusammengekommen und haben wir darüber gesprochen. Da haben wir 3, deswegen erzähl ich das, uns dann auch zum ersten Mal in in Person quasi im gleichen Raum gesehen. Stimmt. Genau und sonst, also genau, Haupt Hauptkommunikation ist halt asynchron über die über Issues, über GitHub. Dann haben wir dann auch irgendwie auch dann unsere Slackkanäle. Und wir probieren einmal die Woche, meistens schaffen wir's alle 2 Wochen, uns danach wirklich ein, 2 Stunden Zeit zu nehmen, dann die Dinge, die man nicht so gut asynchron machen kann, wo's dann wirklich, also wo man weiß, okay, wir haben da unterschiedliche Meinungen zu, wir müssen's jetzt auf was einigen. Das ist dann in Person, in 'nem in 'nem Telefonat oder was auch immer irgendwie da, ja. Ist einfach effektiver, das so zu machen. Das heißt, den den Kanal haben wir dann auch noch. Na krass, wirklich nur alle 1 bis 2 Wochen, das ist da son Kopf. Genau, wir haben kein Stand-up oder irgendwie sowas. Das also das ist auch, also da kommt dieses Zeitding wieder 'n bisschen mit rein mit und dann, wenn die einen können, können die anderen nicht und so. Ja. Fabi, hast Du noch was? Also ich find, das Thema, was wir noch gar nicht aufgemacht hatten, Du hast es jetzt nur zwei-, dreimal genannt, aber es wird nicht zumindest noch für die die den die komplette Hardwarelandschaft von eurem von eurem EVCC noch fehlen. Du hast 1 schon mal gelernt, dass smarte Steckdosen so was jetzt irgendwie auch mit drin sind. Also ist es das ist ist das die einzige Querierte Kategorie, die wir jetzt noch nicht angesprochen haben oder gibt es, wenn Du jetzt auf smarte Steckdosen eingehst, gerne auch danach noch drauf Gerade mit der Liege ist an. Aha, das ist sone das wär sone Shell, das ist sone Shell Ja, ja. Die die grade noch nicht per Wheed Video zuschauen, hat er mich ja grade eine Shell Ja, ja. Genau. Die die grade noch nicht per Video zuschauen, hat er mich ja grad eine Shelly smarte Steckdose. Genau, ein Plug in. Ja, genau, also smarte Steckdosen, genau, haben wir auch im Programm, haben auch schon schon relativ früh kam kam der Bedarf, ne. Also auch teilweise, weil wenn man das Auto jetzt nicht mit Volllast lädt, ist das auch so die die hemdsärmeligste Elektriker, sagt dann son bisschen, na, kann man machen, aber sollte man nicht machen. Lösung, dann doch PV Überschuss zu laden, ohne dass man eine Wallbox hat. Da muss man einmal aufpassen, dass sind die Steckkontakte und was auch Wärmeproduktion. Aber genau, also ursprünglich so Schaltsteckdosen, dann halt Dinge laden zu können, also man kann ja auch, keine Ahnung, seine Werkzeugakkus mit PV Überstoß warten, ne. Da ist nicht so viel Hub, also da passt nicht so viel rein, aber vom Prinzip geht das auch, ne. Also wenn ich irgendwie eine 1 'n Ding habe, was ich dann abhängig von der Sonne schalten will, kann ich das halt auch machen. Ich hab, keine Ahnung, meine Kaffeemaschine braucht zum Beispiel auch ziemlich viel Strom. Ich hab da auch eine sone Schaltsteckdose hinter. Ich benutz sie aber, also man fand gedacht, ja, vielleicht ist geil, das mit mir auch über Schuss zu machen, aber ist Käse. Also die Kaffeemaschine muss dann laufen, wenn Du Kaffee haben willst. Nicht dann, wenn ich's euch scheint und morgens, was auch immer abhängig von der Jahreszeit ist die dann noch nicht da. Aber ich hab die da als Messsteckdosen hinter, ne. Ich hab ihn da beim Kühlschrank eine und das heißt also etwas, was wir ganz am Anfang nicht hatten, weil wir gesagt haben, ah, unser Fokus ist eigentlich erst mal nur Regeln und Steuern. Was wir jetzt seit einigen Releases machen, ist, dass wir halt auch Daten, historische Daten erfassen. Das heißt, gesagt, okay, wir wollen jetzt kein Grafana sein, also die den Ausleitungskanal in FluxiB und so hatten wir schon ganz am Start. Also dass man sagen kann, hier, alles das, was bei euch durchläuft, ich hätte gerne eine Persistenz vorne, ich hätt gern 'n Grafana Dashboard. Da gibt's auch Community Dashboards, die man sich irgendwie angucken kann. Das geht alles, aber sich 'n Grafana einrichten ist jetzt auch was, was... Also das können kriegen wir hin oder haben wir auch irgendwie Bock drauf, ne, aber jetzt so normaler Endnutzer, vielleicht kriegt das bei meinen Eltern ein oder so was, die werden sich da keinen Grafana oder irgendwas aufsetzen, aber vielleicht interessiert sie das trotzdem, was die Kaffeemaschine gebraucht hat. Mhm. Genau. Das das machen wir jetzt seit einigen Releases, dass wir halt auch an allen Verbrauchern, an allen Wallboxen quasi oder auch auch bei Produktionssachen Speichereinspeisung halt die die Werte einfach mitschreiben und dann auch eine 1 Basis für historische Auswertung haben. Das heißt Aber wenn ich's noch mal verstehe, also das heißt auch auf dem Pi, den ihr habt, da läuft eine Influx DW drauf, da schreibt die Werte eine Nee, genau, das machen wir eben nicht. Genau. Genau. Also das war der Weg, wo man das immer schon selber bauen konnte und das auch mal unsere Empfehlung war. Wir haben eine Esculite Datenbank mit dabei und wir haben gesagt, wir wir machen nicht high volume data irgendwas und ob Du jetzt, keine Ahnung, von vorgestern Nacht noch mal gucken kannst, was zwischen 14 Uhr 34 und 14 Uhr, das passt nicht von der Uhrzeit. Was was zwischen 0 Uhr 30 und 0 Uhr 31 passiert ist, das ist nicht unser Anspruch, sondern wir haben gesagt, wenn wir im Viertelstundentakt Energiewerte speichern, das ist son bisschen der der Kern, dann können wir das auch sehr lowtech machen. Dann können wir einfach in die in die Esculite Daten machen, einfach die die Einträge uns reinschreiben und dann haben wir da, keine Ahnung, da kannst Du einige Jahre an an normale Haushaltsdaten quasi rein persistieren, bevor Du irgendeinen Bedarf für sone ja, hoch performantere aggregierende Datenbackend Geschichte hast und wir sind dann in 'nem technisch sehr einfachen Bereich unterwegs, ne? Genau, das das machen wir inzwischen. Das heißt, wir haben noch nicht viele Dashboards, sondern nicht viele Auswertungen, aber man kann sich die Zeit leisten quasi auf Tages-, Monats- und Jahressicht heute schon angucken, jetzt für meine Kaffeemaschine oder irgendwas, was ich an die Steckdose angesprochen hab. Für meine PV Anlage oder für meine beiden PV Anlagen kann ich dann irgendwie gucken, wo kommen mehr, wo kommen weniger an bestimmten Tagen. Genau und da haben wir uns erst mal auf das Datenerfassen und Basisvisualisieren konzentriert, aber ist sicher 'n Bereich, den wir, also nee, das ist ein Bereich, der auf meiner Liste steht, den wir ausbauen müssten und wollen, daraus dann auch wirklich schöne Charts zu bauen, ne, dass man wirklich sagen kann, hier von meinen Haushaltsverbrauchern war diesen Monat die Waschmaschine vor dem Kühlschrank oder nicht oder wie auch immer. Solche Sachen daraus dann auch wirklich zu visualisieren. Ja, cool. Und vielleicht, weil Du's vorhin noch mal angesprochen hast, wie dann eine neue Kategorie aufgemacht mit, wie AI enabled seid ihr denn eigentlich unterwegs? Dass man, ihr habt einen einen einen AI Agent, der zumindest mal die die Issues bewertet, theoretisch auch 'n Pool request theoretisch auch mitarbeitet, aber wie viel wie viel Code bei EVCC wird von AI geschrieben und wie viel von Hand? Ja, von Hand? Mein Gott. Und das ist auch Gute Frage. Die Zahl geht auf jeden Fall hart gegen 0, würd ich sagen. Also das ist also etwas, was ich jetzt über das letzte Jahr, letzte halbe Jahr vor allem, also bei bei vielen Sohn ist seit Anfang des Jahres, hat man das Gefühl, okay, ich kann das noch per Hand schreiben, aber das was der Pott macht. Also selten, dass die Qualität schlechter ist wie das, was ich selber in der Lage wäre zu produzieren. Genau, also vor 'nem Jahr oder so war das so, dass wir also vermehrt Po request gekriegt haben, wo wir das Gefühl hatten, okay, da hat jetzt jemand, keine Ahnung, so sloppy Style PR gemacht und da haben wir relativ genervt davon, also auch weil die Qualität relativ so mehr war und in der Contributeing m b gibt's auch irgendwie Regeln, was was so Anforderungen sind, die man irgendwie mitbringen muss, jetzt bei uns son PR zu machen oder wann wir Dinge auch vielleicht auch kommentarlos oder mit sonem guck dir das mal bitte an Kommentar zu machen. Aber das hat sich in den letzten Monaten, Wochen total, ja, Monaten total geändert, ne. Also dass die dass die Qualität, die wir da kriegen, echt total hoch ist. Ich glaube, wir selbst im Core Team, also natürlich, also Großteil des Codes haben wir selber geschrieben, auch mit Hand und ihr könnt auch selber lesen. Genau, aber das, also das, was jetzt neu dazukommt, das ändert sich, das ist einfach viel Ausgabe von Cloud Code quasi. Es ist wird wahrscheinlich bei bei euch und beiden in anderen Projekten ähnlich sein, dass man das noch aus historischen Gründen quasi per Hand machen könnte, aber muss man schon total Bock drauf haben bin. Wenn man seine Zeit da rein investieren will, ja. Genau, das mit den PR Pods. Also was wir schon lange, schon seit 2 oder 3 Jahren hatten, ist das für son, was hatten wir denn werken? Sone Open Source Tier von Sorcery AI nannte sich das. Das ist son oder nennt sich das, ist immer noch da. Der macht sone Ersteinschätzung von PRs. Das heißt, jemand stellt PR und dann läuft son Sorcery Bot los und der guckt sich den PR an und gibt dann da irgendwie son sone Einschätzung zu mit, ah, das kannst Du mal irgendwie machen und das ist aber irgendwie nicht in Laien mit dem, was er sonst in der Coop Base ist. Das war total, war mir eher skeptisch, war total super, wollt man dann auch nicht wieder abgeben. Und genau, das, was ich eben erzählt hab, ist das ja jetzt bei Issues. Da läuft wirklich 'n Cloudcode dann auch los und guckt sich, also vergleicht, liest Logfiles, guckt sich Screenshots an und guckt, ob das plausibel ist, ob's 'n Anwenderfehler ist, ob's mit der Doku matcht oder nicht. Und gibt wirklich Informationen, die dann auch superhilfreich sind, wo wir dann als Maainer teilweise nur sagen mit, ja, das, was da oben geschrieben ist, so ist das, ne. Das ist 'n Bug, da müssen wir uns drum kümmern. Beziehungsweise wenn sich der der Board an der Stelle sicher ist, dann also man sieht dann, dass das das in Anführungszeichen steht dann teilweise mit drin, so im Sinne von, ich bin mir ziemlich sicher, ich mach schon mal 'n PR auch ohne die Maainer gefragt zu haben. Und bei vielen Sachen ist es ein Ja, vielleicht eher eine Design Decision. Ich warte mal auf Feedback von dem Maainer, bevor ich jetzt 'n PR stelle zum Beispiel, ne. War jetzt die Lösung schon im Kopf in Anführungszeichen. Das ist das schon krass, wie das auch die Arbeit natürlich mit den Ischüssen so verändert. Ja. Ja, cool. Dennis, ich bin so weit durch. Was ist bei dir? Wie sieht's aus? Ja, ich glaube, konkrete Fragen habe ich auch nicht mehr. Ich wollte noch mal drauf eingehen, weil ihr es auf der Webseite stehen habt und weil ich's auch so empfinde. Da steht der der Satz, wir lieben gute Benutzeroberflächen und dass da einfach, glaub ich, viel Wert draufgelegt wurde. Das ist 'n sehr simples und sehr hübsches Interface ist, was einfach zu verstehen ist, einfach so von der U X ja, Spaß macht zu benutzen und von daher ich, ja, ich nutze die App sehr gerne. Ich muss dazu sagen, aber das ist immer das Ding in meinem alles, was mit meiner Home Automatisierung so zu tun hat. Zu oft funktioniert es nicht, das liegt dann aber nicht an die VCC, sondern irgendwie, ach meine Wallbox ist so Ding, die ist nur im WLAN, weil ich dann auch kein Kabel verlegt habe. Jedes Mal, wenn da irgendwie 'n Reset ist oder so was, verbindet die sich nicht neu, dann ist die wieder nicht da. Also da gibt's einfach so Kleinigkeiten, die das noch nicht perfekt machen bei mir, aber eher, dass dass die Gegebenheiten außen rum sind. Du weißt, Du, sorry, ich hab nämlich vorhin gedacht, Du hast doch am Anfang gesagt, Du nutzt EVACC, aber jetzt nimmst Du auch Heartbeat AI, weißt Du dann? Bist Du einfach dein Tech Herz, dass Du verschiedene Sachen ausprobieren willst oder was? Na ja, Hard Beat Beat Beat Beat, ganz ehrlich, muss ich sagen, ich weiß auch gar nicht, was ist am Ende, also der der Marketinggespräch ist ja so, ne, wir optimieren jetzt alles. Ich hab jetzt die App von denen schon länger von 1.5 Grad und ich kann da jetzt auch mal 1, ne. Ich seh da jetzt irgendwie, was die PV Anlage grade macht. Ich seh, was die Wärmepumpe grade verbraucht, wie die Batterie gespeichert ist und scheint so sehr die Sonne? Ja. Und dass ich grade 5.5 Kilowatt einspeise. Und dann gibt's son Heartbeat Tab, aber ich seh noch nicht, was dann wirklich optimiert wird. Und ich, vielleicht kommt das jetzt, weil ich das wie gesagt, also am ersten Oktober wird noch mal irgendwas aktiviert, aber es ist für mich noch son bisschen zwischen Marketing und ich weiß nicht genau, was passiert. Von daher Okay. Genau, da sind die ganzen Sachen auch irgendwie angeschlossen und ich warte jetzt mal ab und gucke... Also meine Hoffnung wäre so, da steht drin, hey, das war jetzt super smart. Ich hab heute Nacht das Haus schon mal aufgewärmt, weil morgen wird's wieder kalt so und das ist gut und es hat irgendwie 'n Mehrwert und sich das gut an. Ja. Also wir müssen eigentlich noch mal eine Recap Folge machen. Jetzt wissen wir jetzt wissen wir, was Hape Air Eis, jetzt kennen wir EVCC und Du bist unsere Testbienchen für beide Dinge und kannst uns noch mal sagen, was der Unterschied ist. Find ich gut, finde ich interessant, wenn ich kein dabei. Ja, sehr gut, alles klar. Dann machen wir vielleicht immer noch mal son son 7 Minuten Check in mit Michael und Dennis. Ja, sehr gerne. Sehr gerne. Ja, ansonsten, Michael, ist, wir hören eigentlich immer meistens bei son Deep Doppels damit auf zu fragen, gibt's denn irgendwas, was wir aus deiner Sicht nicht gefragt haben, über über was Du aber gerne gesprochen hättest bei E-Pot c-C? Irgendwas, wo Du denkst, Mann, der Fabi oder Dennis, warum sind die Frage denn nicht gestellt? Ja, gute Frage. Also wir haben, kleinen die offensichtlichen Funktionsbereiche, glaub ich, alle abgegrast. Wenn ich mir jetzt grade im im Kopf die Doku vorstelle, auf was wir da gegliedert und wie wir das aufgebaut haben. Nee, ich glaube, passt. Was für mich neu war, ich wusste nicht, dass es eine native App gibt. Ah. Hast Du's grade gelernt oder hast Du's jetzt von... Nee, nee, also Du hast es ja eben erzählt. Ja, ja, ja. Das das das war so. Bei mir läuft es innerhalb von Home Assistant tatsächlich grundsätzlich, aber ja, da Genau, das mit der mit der App kam, kann ich ganz kurz den Background zu geben, es gab ich weiß nicht, wie wie ihr das mitgekriegt habt, vor ein, 2, ja vor 2, 3 Jahren oder so was, hat Apple jemanden angekündigt, sie machen ihr ihr App to Homescreen Feature, machen sie in Europa tot, weil sie irgendwie EU Auflagen machen sollten und das wollten sie nicht. Dann haben sie gesagt, dann machen wir lieber halt die Funktion weg, als dass wir jetzt anderen Browsern das auch ermöglichen, da irgendwie son Homescreen progressive App Ding zu machen. Und das war bei uns der Punkt, weil ganz viele Leute einfach EVCC auf Homescreen installieren, das war unser empfohlenes Ding. Ja. Und genau, genau, ganz viele Leute benutzen das so und das war bei uns dann son, okay, wenn das wegfällt, dann ist das irgendwie kacke, ne. Dann muss ich's 'n Browser aufmachen, da hab ich auch immer die Browserzeile, verlinke ich irgendwie Platz. Und das war bei uns der Punkt, wo wir gesagt haben, komm, lass uns mal überlegen, was eine App bedeutet. Fokus war immer noch, dass wir möglichst viel des User Tafaces nicht doppelt bauen. Das heißt, de facto ist das, wenn das erst mal eingerichtet ist, 'n Fullscreen Browser, wo ich zwischen unterschiedlichen Instanzen hin- und herwechseln kann. Wir haben inzwischen auch son Remote Access Server von Leuten, die sich jetzt irgendwie kein VPN oder sowas anmelden oder reinrichten können. Kannst Du bei uns jetzt, wenn Du Sponsor bist, weil wir da 'n bisschen Cloud Infrastruktur betreiben, kannst Du 'n Haken setzen, kriegst eine Subdomain und kannst dir den internationalen Passwort anlegen, die lokal dann irgendwie gehalten und gecheckt werden und kannst dir dann einfach in der App abscannen und dann hast Du da irgendwie die Verbindung aufgebaut. Genau. Plus, was jetzt Neues, ich weiß nicht, ob Du iOS oder Android hast, das mit den Widgets kommt bei Android jetzt im nächsten Release. Bei iOS gibt's da schon seit 1 2 Releases, aber das sind da natürlich wirklich die die Mehrwerte, die Du dann hast, ne. Push Nachricht steht auf der Liste, haben wir aktuell auch noch nicht, aber könnte auch noch mal spannend sein, ne. Gerade mit irgendwie Optimizer hat jetzt irgendwas umentschieden oder so was, könnte man wär wär 'n Anlass, wo man sagen könnte, hier informieren wir 'n Nutzer mal drüber über Deine Wallbox ist wieder offline. Zum Beispiel der Ladeplan hat nicht so funktioniert, was Auto zu spät angesteckt wurde, was auch immer. Irgendwelche Dinge, die man vielleicht mit mitkriegen möchte, ja. Okay. Sehr cool. Ja, cool. Vielen Dank. Dann haben wir natürlich wie in jedem Deep Dive auch heute noch unsere. Das war Fabis Einsatz für die Musik. Es ist Fabis Einsatz. So, Michael hatte im Vorgespräch der Folge erzählt, dass er extra noch auf unserer Webseite war und sich durch die Historie scrollt hat, nicht einen zu nehmen, der schon mal da war. Das mache ich grade auch parallel noch mal, wenn ich das Du kannst aber übrigens die Suche dazu benutzen. Du kannst einfach in der Suche oben eingeben. Du findest auch Pixob the day, ne? Ja, jetzt grad öffne, ich probier aber gar nicht, aber ich mach das parallel. Fabi, fang Du doch mal an, während ich das Geld noch versuche. Ja, ich hab 'n Pick of the day mitgebracht, einen Tool, was ich noch gar nicht so lang im Einsatz hat, ich hab's eigentlich aus einem Use Case heraus gern noch mal ausprobiert. Also vielleicht, wir hatten grade ja in der Folge uns auch drüber unterhalten, so AI Agents und dass man eigentlich gar keinen Code mehr selbst schreibt. Ich glaub, das ist für niemanden hin neu. Aber mein bisheriges GoTo Tool, mich durch meine verschiedenen Projekte zu navigieren und die verschiedenen Agent Harness zu benutzen, ist eigentlich und es ist aber so, dass wir, was mir aktuell an Kontaktor noch son bisschen fehlt, ist der Move hinzu, ich würd gern mit meinem Handy auch teilweise einfach, wenn ich remote bin, an den verschiedenen Features irgendwie weiterarbeiten. Klar, ich kann irgendwie die Codex App nutzen, ich dann auch Cloud Code nutzen, die irgendwelche remote Funktionen haben, aber irgendwie ist meine Realität dann doch meistens so, dass ich viel am Mac bin und irgendwie Kontakter von der UI her eigentlich sehr viel ansprechender finde und irgendwie meine verschiedenen parallelen Workstreams organisieren. Und ein Tool, das ähnlich wie verspricht, wie Conductor Open Source ist und dazu auch eine Mobile App anbietet, mit der ich das dann sozusagen Siemensesly weitermachen kann, ist Paseo. Paseo Punkt s h, im Grunde genommen brauche ich gar nicht viel dazu sagen, außer dass es Conductor plus iPhone App ist, was bei Conductor ja bisher mit der mit der iOS App bisher nur im also bald verfügbar genannt wird und auch in dem 30 Dollar pro Monat Planung mit drin ist. Bei Phaseo ist das Ganze direkt mit drin. Ich probier's grad son bisschen aus. Ich find's erst mal ganz cool und würd's euch vielleicht mal ans Herzding auch auszuprobieren, wenn es ein Use Case ist, der euch interessiert und nicht, dass ihr das Ganze nicht über Cloud oder Codex beziehungsweise die Chat GPT App machen wollt. Dennis, hast Du gecheckt? Ich hab irgendwie das Gefühl, dass... Also hast Du dich grade hast Du dich grade gekratzt, weil Du dachtest, oh, ist das jetzt 'n guter vom Fabi oder weil Du weil Du immer noch bei deinem Pick bist und gar nicht zugehört hast, was ich grade erzählt hab? Doch, weil es hätte auch so ein Kratzen sein können, so, oh ja, war das jetzt gut, was der Fabi erzählt hat oder? Pareo hört sich fantastisch an. Ja, toll, danke. Das diese diese Affirmation hab ich gebraucht. Hat mir bestimmt gefehlt, nachdem ich's grade erzählt hab. Ja. Und werde ich mir sofort verzerrt. Klasse. Also brauchst Du noch kurz? Ist der Michael erst dran oder weißt Du, ob Du 'n Nein, ich hab's, ich konnt das nicht noch mal, ich konnt das nicht verifizieren parallel, weil also Fahrradfahren hast Du schon mal in Polen, falls es das ist. Ich wollte schlafen nehmen heute. Nein, passend zur Folge einen dynamischen Stromtarif. So. Nicht unbedingt, weil es jetzt irgendwie wirtschaftlich wirtschaftlich auf jeden Fall sinnvoll ist, aber da wollte ich nach Tipper nachgucken, weil ich hab ja mal Tipper nach Hause. Ja, hast Du neunzehnter vierter, hast Du die Suche benutzt? Ich hab nur einmal eingegeben. Neunzehnter vierter 2040. Ich hab's Suche nicht genutzt, weil mein Internet, mein, ich hatte grade kein Internet auf meinem Handy. Egal, ist jetzt neunzehnter vierter 24, das heißt, ist schon ein paar Jährchen her, dass... Ich mein, ob Du Lust in Polen hast? Egal, machen wir einfach noch mal. So. Ja. Uns muss ja nicht Timber sein. Es gibt auch, was sind die großen anderen? Das heißt Michael wahrscheinlich Hokus. Hokus. Hokus und ja gut, 1.5 Grad tatsächlich jetzt auch. Avatar, ich weiß nicht, ob die nur in Österreich unterwegs sind, ob die auch Deutschland was machen inzwischen. Ja. Was ich daran eigentlich spannend finde und deswegen so die Empfehlung, weil man sich 'n bisschen mehr damit auseinandersetzt, so, ne, was ich halt halt nicht hatte. Also zum einen hast Du einfach, das fand ich mit Tipp immer ganz cool, die haben sone wöchentliche Vorhersage, wo die so sagen, hey, in der Kalenderwoche wird wahrscheinlich das und das so grundsätzlich passieren. Der Wind wird irgendwie Ende der Woche schwächer, deswegen statt in Deutschland üblichen 25 Gigawatt laufen da nur 7 drüber und gleichzeitig ist aber die PV Anlage oder die die Sonnenenergie hoch. Also einfach so Einblicke in warum kostet Strom wann wie viel, lässt einfach son bisschen aktiver darüber nachdenken. Und allein den Effekt fand ich schon ganz schön bei mir. Und Fabi, bevor Du wiederfragst, 30 Cent. Ich weiß nicht, was die Frage zu der Antwort 30 Cent ist. Das ist dynamisch. Wie kannst Du denn eine Zahl sagen? Ja, weil Du irgendwann mal gesagt hast, ja, was weiß das denn am Ende? Was zahlst Du denn jetzt dafür? Sattomalen konkreten Wert ungefähr bei mir die 30 Cent. Okay. Damit hast Du Nee, aber war kein Verkaufsargument für mich. Jetzt überleg ich grad, ob ich noch 2 Spontanpicks mache, aber ich mach erst mal einen, vielleicht kann ich die anderen beiden dann nachher einfach noch mal zu Sehr gerne. Gerne. Wie wie ich das dieses, was Du grade beschrieben hast, das Gefühl quasi kriege. Okay. Ja, genau. Aber also genau. Das, was ich mir rausgesucht hab, ist etwas, was ich, also auch Selfhosting, hab ich mir vor 'nem halben Jahr oder so, bin ich darauf aufmerksam gemacht worden. Ich weiß gar nicht mehr genau, über welchen Podcast das war, aber ein Projekt, das dich Birdnet go nennt. Das ist son bisschen Local machine learning oder Influence, wie auch immer. Das heißt, man hat irgendwie 'n raspberry oder 'n ähnliches Singleboard Computerding. Man steckt da 'n Mikrofon dran, man packt da die Software drauf Und dann ist das in sonem Modus und dann läuft da einen AI Modell oder ich hab jetzt 2 unterschiedliche Modelle da drauf, 1 von Google und 1 von 'ner irgendwie Cornell University, die das das kanonische Modell quasi bauen, die Vogelerkennung machen. Das heißt, ich kann sehen, wie viel Blaumeisen in den letzten 15 Minuten hier ein Geräusch abgegeben haben. Und dieses Birdnet Go ist 'n total cooles Projekt, wo jemand halt son Dashboard, sone Tabelle, wo ich dann irgendwie sehen kann, so diese Vögel waren heute da und dann kann ich's auf Stundenraster quasi sehen. Okay, morgens ist die Amsel und abends ist die Amsel. Und also Leute, die sich mit Vögel auskennen, wissen, ja, das ist halt so bei diesen Amsel und die Vögel sind morgens und abends, aber in der Mitte nicht. Und also Dinge, die ich mir jetzt son bisschen revers aus Daten erschließe, wo ich das Gefühl hab, okay Leute, die sich mit Vögeln beschäftigen, die die die wissen das, für die ist das nix Neues, ne und bei unter welchen Bedingungen abends Grillen unterwegs sind unter welchen Bedingungen nicht. Und das ist für mich ganz nett, weil ich hab jetzt wirklich sone son Datenpool, sone Datenbasis. Ich hab auch scheinbar son son Display im Wohnbereich. Immer wenn ein neuer Vogel auftaucht, dann steht da der Name des neuen Vogels groß oben drauf und dann weiß man jetzt, was auch immer, das ist ein irgendeine bestimmte Eulenart heute Nacht irgendwie zweimal gehört wurde oder so was und kann kann sich das dann angucken. Das ist genau, es ist optisch ganz schön aufgemacht. Das nimmt erst mal Audio auf. Man kann sich auch Audioschnipsel anhören. Man kann da auch, ich hab das relativ runterkonfiguriert, dass der jetzt nicht irgendwie die Gartenkonversation der letzten 3 Jahre irgendwie aufm Rust Barry drauf habe, sondern das 'n wirklich Nutzen erkennen und Daten persistieren im Sinne von welchen Vogel hast Du gesehen da benutze, aber genau. Also wenn man Kann man so die Garten hat und Vögel hat, sollte man auch gucken. Außer die im Kopf. Kannst Du mittlerweile an also an dem Gezwitscher auch Vögel erkennen? Weil ich hatte nämlich mal, letztens war ich auf 'nem Junggesan Abschied und dann zum selben Tag gab's das Bird Race vom NABU, wo man einen Tag lang darauf achten muss sozusagen oder wie wie wer hört mehr verschiedene Vögel an einem Tag? Und na gut, ich sag mal so, man könnte aber sagen, man hat 20 gehört, weil es hat natürlich niemand nachgeprüft so, aber dann bin ich mit, war ich auch mit Jungs unterwegs, die Ahnung hatten, wie sich Vögel anhören. Ich hätte keinen einzigen erkennt. Specht würde ich vielleicht anhand des Tockungs erkennen, aber auf jeden Fall nicht anhand des Geräusches gehabt. Ich könnt keinen einzigen Vogel erkennen so. Ja. Bist Du dann besser geworden? Ich wär in deinem Camp. Ja, ja, nee, nee. Also dieses, der Computer macht das für mich und ich kann mir das angucken. Ich kann daraus meine eigenen, was auch immer, Schlüsse daraus ableiten. Ich ich näher mich von der Seite. Vielleicht, wenn ich das leider genug laufen lasse, vielleicht kann ich dann irgendwann erkennen, okay, das ist jetzt wirklich die Amsel, weil die Wahrscheinlichkeit, ich weiß, dass die Wahrscheinlichkeit hoch ist, weil ich seh das ja in den Daten, aber soweit bin ich auch nicht. Das heißt, Du hörst dir nicht die einzelnen Sound Schnipsel dann an und denkst Doch, ja doch, ab und dann schon. Ja, ab und dann guckt man mal, keine Ahnung, also wenn jetzt irgendwie eine seltene Eule aufgetaucht ist, dann will man schon hören, wie wie was wie macht die denn eigentlich? Und genau, was ich heute, ich hab das eben schon im im Vorgespräch gesagt, hier nebenan wird grad ein größere Bauarbeiten, der ist son Bagger, der auf dem Nachbargrundstück unterwegs ist. Ich hab mir eben noch mal die die Loks von diesem Bird Dad angeguckt. Also es die UI zeigt nur Vögel an. Im Lok stehen auch Dinge drin wie Motorengeräusch oder Elektrogerät. Oh, geil. Das heißt, er erkennt scheinbar auch noch, also diese Modelle erkennen noch mehr Dinge als nur Vögel, aber die Auswertung ist erst mal auf 'ner Vogelebene. Aber lustig. Aber die ist, also einfach, das hat schon sone Qualität, wo man einfach sagen kann, so jeder Vogel, der da war, wird eigentlich erkannt, oder? Wahrscheinlich. Du kann, genau, man kann das Threshholds ansetzen und sagen, okay, also Du kannst auch Regionen eingeben. Das heißt, keine Ahnung, jetzt der australische Kiwi oder so. Selbst wenn Du glaubst, den grade erkannt zu haben, Wahrscheinlichkeit ist wirklich gering, dass Du den, also man kann das noch 'n bisschen eingrenzen, dass da wenig falz Positives passieren und man kann auch mit den Erkennungsraten Threshholds noch mal 'n bisschen experimentieren. Also Default Set ist, glaub ich, schon ganz gut. Ich hab da am Anfang 'n bisschen hoch und runtergedreht. Das heißt, man kann so was sagen wie, Du musst mindestens einmal so 95 Prozent sein, dass das wirklich dieser Vogel ist. Und dann sind wir bei den weiteren Erkennung, die dann in den nächsten 10 Minuten folgen, nicht immer so streng damit oder so, ne, da nicht, genau, die Daten da son bisschen sauber zu halten. Aber genau, also ich hab ja jetzt, also ich hab da nicht viel dran konfiguriert. Ich hab aber auch schon gespielt an den Parametern, geguckt, was kann der kleine Prozessor von dem Singleboard Computer ab? Also wie wie wie wie tolle parallel lässt man das da laufen? Aber genau, das ist, bin ich ganz zufrieden. Da hab ich einmal eingerichtet und jetzt, also auch die Family, macht das immer mal wieder auf und guckt so, was war denn heute oder im Monat zurück oder so. Ja, ist auf jeden Fall was für meine Eltern. Ist 'n gutes Weihnachtsgeschenk. Sehr gut. Die anderen darfst auch noch loswerden. Ach so, ja genau. Du hattest Du hattest gesagt oder hier ihr hattet drüber gesprochen, hier man hat so Energiepreis und Strompreis im Blick, ne. Ich hab, es gibt eine 1 iOS App, ich weiß nicht ob Kino für iOS, ich benutze die auf iOS, die heißt Strompreis. Da kannst Du, also guckst dir einfach den, es die macht die, also ich benutze die nur über 'n Widget. Da hast Du 'n iOS Widget, das packst Du den irgendwie auf dem Homeschooling und siehst so so in in Viertelstundentakt, wie der Strompreis an der Börse halt heute und morgen ist, also soweit, wie das halt bekannt ist. Ich kann auch später noch mal hin raussuchen. Das hab ich einfach immer da. Also ich hab aktuell gar keinen dynamische Strompreise. Ich hab son son Oktopus Energie Preis, wo ich Hoch- und Tiefphasen habe, Konstante. Aber ich mich interessiert das trotzdem. Also ich will trotzdem wissen, ist jetzt grade irgendwie Alarm oder ist grade super günstig oder so. Und das das hab ich einfach so ambient da drauf und dann guckt man da so rein und hat dann die Infos, was kostet das grade? Und das andere ist. Das ist eine, ich weiß gar nicht genau, was da die Datenbasis ist. Die geben dir sone große Kachel. Vielleicht kann ich das hier in die Kamera halten? Ja, ich halt das mal hier in die Kamera. Ups. Genau, da ist einfach eine große Kachel, die ist ist wie grün oder rot oder was auch immer. Und da steht eine Prozentzahl drauf und dann seh ich, wie viel Prozent Erneuerbare quasi aktuell unterwegs sind in, ich bin mir gar nicht ganz sicher, ob das auf Deutschfleck ermittelt ist oder ob ich da eine Postleitzahl eingegeben hab. Egal, aber also auch das macht, dass man son bisschen Gefühl dafür kriegt. Genau, das hier unten seht ihr das, ne? Das ist das ist das mit den Strompreisen. Und das da oben ist, die sind die Widgets von EVCC. Die Podcasthörer ärgern sich jetzt grade, es tut mir leid. Das stimmt. Genau. Ja. Cool. Greenshar. Mach ich auch mal. Schreib ich mir auch mal an. Dafür hab ich nämlich noch kein Gefühl. Ja. Gestern Abend zum Beispiel ist ja schon mal wieder völlig durchgedreht. Da waren's, glaub ich, 110 Cent oder so Krass. In den Abendstunden. Ja. Ein Hoch auf die dynamische Stromtarife. Ja. Großer Fan der Fabi. Michael, vielen vielen Dank. Fand ich sehr cool. War son bisschen anderen Einblick, großes Open Source Projekt, das ihr da am Laufen habt. Mega cool, dass Du dich jetzt so, äh, auch mehr und mehr Vollzeit darum kümmern kannst. Und ja, schön, dass Du die Zeit gefunden hast. Danke schön. Alles Gute euch. Bis dann auch. Alles gut. Tschau. Tschau. 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Wir sprechen heute über EWCC. Ich bin Dennis Becker und zusammen mit mir im Studio der Fabi Fink, hallo. Und über dieses Toolprodukt zu sprechen, haben wir uns keinen anderen eingeladen als denjenigen, der das Ganze entwickelt und betreibt und das ist Michael Gers. Hallo Michael.\n\nSpeaker 1: Hallo, vielen Dank für die Einladung.\n\nSpeaker 0: Schön, dass Du da bist. Schön, dass Du die Zeit gefunden hast direkt. Der schaut auch an einen unserer Hörer, der uns einen Feedback geschickt hat und hat gesagt, hey, ihr habt euch eine Folge zu 1.5 Grad aufgenommen oder wollt die Aufnahmen sogar im Announcement. Was ist denn eigentlich mit als Ergänzung, Erweiterung oder Alternative dazu? Kriegt ihr nicht hin, den Michael in eurem Podcast mal zu holen.\n\nUnd interessanterweise hatte ich die Verbindung irgendwie nicht in meinem Kopf nicht so gemacht. Ich bin selbst Kunde, also wir klären gleich gleich direkt, was es ist. Genutze es selbst, unterstütze es auch selbst und von daher diese Idee sehr, sehr gut. Ja und finde schön, Michael, dass Du heute die Zeit hast, mit uns darüber zu sprechen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Sehr cool, ja.\n\nSpeaker 0: In deinen eigenen Worten in 1, 2 Sätzen, was ist das Ganze?\n\nSpeaker 1: Puh, was ist das Ganze? Also, was ist EVCC? Ich hab das Gefühl, es es also es verändert sich, es erweitert sich über die Zeit ein bisschen, aber wir haben sind gestartet mit 'ner Lösung, PV Überschussladen, eigenes Auto, eigene PV Anlage zu Hause möglich zu machen. Das war so das Start Setup und inzwischen haben wir aber auch Kombinationen zusammenspielen mit dem Hausspeicher, aber auch Wärmepumpensteuerung und inzwischen auch kleine Verbraucher und alles, was noch so im Haus drum rum anfällt und was mit Energie und bisschen größeren Energiemengen zu tun hat. Genau.\n\nAlso alles, was da was da eine Rolle spielt, da fühlen wir uns für verantwortlich beziehungsweise wir wollen da was für bauen. Mhm.\n\nSpeaker 0: Jetzt sagst Du schon wir und sprichst nicht von ich, das heißt, da sind mittlerweile einige mehr Leute involviert oder wie ist das Ganze aufgebaut?\n\nSpeaker 1: Genau, also ich bin in der Tat auch gar nicht der, der das Projekt damals ins Leben gerufen hat. Ich bin jetzt aber schon seit 6 Jahren, glaube ich, mit dabei und das Projekt ist so sechseinhalb oder so alt und wir sind im im Kernteam 3 Leute, die mit unterschiedlichen Schwerpunkten. Ich komm ja so aus der der User Interface Web Ecke. Wir haben aber auch jemanden, der kommt aus eher aus der Elektrotechnik Ecke, was total super ist, wenn man mal irgendwie son Datenblatt für eine Wallbox lesen muss und dann auch 'n Gefühl dafür hat, was das eigentlich bedeutet, wenn da was drinsteht. Genau.\n\nUnd genau, dann noch den, der es damals gegründet hat, Andi, der oder das damals durchs Leben gerufen hat und der ist mehr oder weniger auf auf allen Schichten unterwegs und und organisiert da dazwischen rum und und macht Dinge. Genau, aber wir sind son bisschen 3 Leute mit unterschiedlichen Fachbereichen, würd ich jetzt mal sagen.\n\nSpeaker 0: Mhm. Okay. Vor 6 Jahren hast Du gesagt, hast Du damit angefangen oder Du bist damit eingestiegen? Hättest Du erwartet, dass es diese Größe erreicht?\n\nSpeaker 1: Nee, natürlich nicht. Also ich ich hab damals eine Werk irgendwie damals auch noch bestellt. Das war klar, das kommt irgendwie. Und ich hab nach was gesucht, ne, nach fertigen Lösungen geguckt und nix, wie das, ihr kennt das ja, wie das so ist, nix gefunden, was mir irgendwie gefallen hat. Dann hab ich oder Open Source Projekten geguckt und dieses dann damals noch sehr kleine Projekt gefunden.\n\nHab dann da auch irgendwie gleich irgendwie die Geldschwände hingemacht und dann kam 1, ah, kurz hin, hättste nicht Bock auch mitzumachen. Und na ja, dann bin ich da irgendwie reingerutscht und stecken geblieben und genau, Community gab's damals auch schon. Das waren, keine Ahnung, so 2, 3 Handvoll Leute, die da auch regelmäßig Ideen und Sachen diskutiert haben. Genau, inzwischen ist es aber halt, ja, sehr viel größer und und genau, mit auch von. Wir haben relativ viele Australier, die aktiv sind lustigerweise.\n\nAlso es gibt es ist spannend, dann zu sehen, wo das Feuer fängt und wo aber auch nicht, ne. Also Amerika kommt immer mal wieder was, aber total selten dafür, dass das Land so groß ist. Aber genau, man kann sich irgendwie im Grunde überlegen, warum das vielleicht so ist, aber ja. Also deutsche deutschsprachige Community, Benelux und so. Es ist ziemlich groß und auch relativ stark im im Energieoptimieren Business quasi unterwegs und da kriegen wir viel Feedback und auch viel Input.\n\nVielleicht für\n\nSpeaker 2: uns hier ist es klar, aber für unsere Hörer vielleicht noch nicht. Du hast ja gerade Dennis den Vergleich schon zu 1.5 Grad gemacht, ne, die mit HardBeat AI ja 1 1 1 Hardware haben, die son bisschen diese Automatisierung übernimmt. Das ist ja\n\nSpeaker 0: 'n kostenpflichtiges Tool oder 'n kostenpflichtige Hardware. Vielleicht kannst Du noch mal kurz at at 10 EPCC. Es ist ja Open Source, wenn Du und auch wenn Du von 3 Personen im Kernteam sprichst. Was heißt das? Seid ihr wirklich Vollzeit mit EVCC beschäftigt?\n\nIst das eine Open Source und ihr seid nur die Hauptmaintainer?\n\nSpeaker 2: Also gebt uns vielleicht noch 'n bisschen Kontext dazu, wo sich EVCC positioniert.\n\nSpeaker 1: Genau. Also ursprünglich also war das erst mal, also ein ganz normales in Anführungszeichen, 'n Open Source Projekt. Da macht man irgendwie Dinge und so. Und genau, ich fand das immer sehr, sehr cool, daran zu arbeiten. Für mich war irgendwann klar, ich möchte eigentlich, also Familie und Kinder und wie auch immer und dann ist die die Abende, die man und die Wochenenden, die man da reinstecken kann, die sind dann schon auch noch begrenzt, bevor es dann andere soziale Probleme gibt quasi.\n\nUnd für mich war eigentlich immer klar, eigentlich möchte ich das bei Daylight quasi machen, ne. Und wir haben uns dann relativ früh son son Sponsoring Modell überlegt, also irgend eine Art von Einkommen, mit der man dann so eine Vision dann auch irgendwie machen und und aufbauen kann. Genau, das haben wir machen wir jetzt schon seit einiger Zeit. Das heißt, der Code ist komplett offen. Der allergrößte Teil ist auch unter MIT Lizenz, aber wir haben Integrationen für Wallboxen haben wir, also die sind auch offen vom Code, aber die sind unter 1 Lizenz, dass Du die nicht einfach weiter vertreiben kannst.\n\nDas ist, genau, das ist die Struktur von dem Open Source Projekt und unser Modell ist, dass wir halt nach Sponsoring fragen. Das heißt, wir sagen, hier trag was zum Projekt bei, dann kannst Du die die Software, die binaries, wie auch immer einfach so verwenden oder also dort mitarbeiten, Doku schreiben, wie auch immer oder halt das, was jetzt viele Leute machen, was einfacher ist, einen finanziellen Beitrag machen. Das heißt, wir haben damals mit GitHub Sponsoring angefangen. Das kannte ich damals noch gar nicht, aber das war da war's zumindest für mich relativ neu, wo wir gesagt haben, okay, kleines Betrag, den wir da einstellen können. Wenn man den regelmäßig beiträgt, dann dann dann gilt das als gesponsert quasi.\n\nInzwischen haben wir noch mehr Optionen, wo Du auch 'n allgemein Betrag für Leute, die sagen, nee, Abo und so, ich kann Bock drauf. Ich geborene euch gerne einmal Geld, damit ihr da weitermachen könnt, aber nichts regelmäßiges bitte. Und genau, das das haben wir inzwischen auch. Was ist inzwischen, haben wir jetzt schon länger auch. Genau, so so funktioniert das.\n\nDas heißt, wir haben einen einen einen Finanzierungskanal und mir war auch immer wichtig, dass das primär von der Community kommt oder... Mein, ich hab ein... Also eigentlich eigentlich war meine Vision, dass es eigentlich ausschließlich von den Nutzern kommt Und da sind wir auch mehr oder weniger gelandet gelandet. Also wir haben jetzt keine Sponsoren, große Corporate Sponsoren. Wir haben 'n paar Logos auf der Webseite, aber das sind eher kleine Beträge, die die beisteuern.\n\nDer Großteil wird in der Tat von der Community, also von Einzelleuten, die das benutzen und die wollen, dass die Software weiter existiert, getragen. Und zumindest bei mir ist es jetzt, das weiß ich gar nicht, wie wie wie deutlich da schon wieder reden darf und wann das hier ausgestrahlt wird, auch so, dass das jetzt in absehbarer Zeit mein mein Vollzeitjob quasi wird und mein Angestelltenjob dann an den Nagel gehängt wird quasi.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, ist doch schön, dass Du das dann\n\nSpeaker 2: genauso geklappt hat, wie Du dir das vorgestellt hast.\n\nSpeaker 1: In der Tat, freut mich auch. Überrascht mich auch immer wieder ein bisschen und ich muss dann auch immer Dinge erklären, wenn wenn das Leute erfahren oder wie ich das Leuten erzähle, aber es ist genau... Also find ich eigentlich total super, ja. Cool.\n\nSpeaker 0: Hast Du das Gefühl, dass damit irgendwie mehr auch noch son Businessgedanke reinkommt, als er vorher war oder versuchst Du das möglichst irgendwie davon wegzuhalten?\n\nSpeaker 1: Gute Frage. Also ich hab schon ganz viele Projekte, also auch Open Source Projekte gesehen, die dann halt son Turn genommen haben, nur wo ich das wo ich gedacht hab, ah, das war mal so geil und jetzt ist das irgendwie, keine Ahnung. Jetzt sind da, ich will nicht sagen, Produktmenschen reingekommen oder so. Also ich ich find auch gute Produkte total super. Aber eigentlich, also unser Kern und das, worauf wir total viel Wert legen, ist, dass das Open Source Ding eigentlich das ist, wonach wir die Entscheidung treffen, dass möglichst viel der Sachen offen sind.\n\nWir müssen uns natürlich aber auch zu Sachen verhalten. Am Anfang hatten wir das mit den Lizenzen nicht so gemacht, wie ich das eben beschrieben hab. Das führte dann dazu, dass alle Leute Boxen, mit ihr wollt CC drauf verkaufen oder dann mit ihrem eigenen Logo verkaufen Mhm. Und die dann irgendwie auf auf eBay oder was auch immer und der Support bei uns landet und das fühlte sich dann irgendwie weird an, ne? Wir sagen, okay, wir wollen das irgendwie möglichst offen machen und dann bauen andere Leute darauf 'n Geschäft auf, das ist irgendwie schräg.\n\nJa. Genau und jetzt mit dem Modell, was wir gerade haben, fühle ich mich eigentlich ganz wohl. Also wir sind nicht so, dass wir sagen, ah ja, das ist jetzt hier wirklich... Wir haben auch keine Ambitionen, da jetzt irgendwie eine Hardware rauszubauen, die wir irgendwelche Regale oder irgendwelche Großhändler oder so was kriegen. Da gibt's Leute, die dann aufbauen auf unserem Sponsor Modell jetzt so was machen.\n\nDas ist auch total fein, ne. Da kriegen wir dann eben unser Teil von\n\nSpeaker 0: ab. Mhm.\n\nSpeaker 1: Genau, aber wir selber, also E-Mail-'Hadwaraprodukte oder das das das noch mehr zu produktisieren oder Premiumservices oder was auch immer, eigentlich widerstrebt uns das 'n bisschen und genau.\n\nSpeaker 0: Das heißt, wenn jetzt jemand E-PC-C nutzen möchte, wie wär denn aktuell so die, also ich hol mir einfach irgendwie 'n Raspberry Pi und da spiele ich E-PC-C drauf oder\n\nSpeaker 2: was ist der typische Weg, wenn ich jetzt sag, okay, irgendwie damit würde ich gerne mein Haus steuern?\n\nSpeaker 1: Genau, das ist der Klassik. Der der der Klassikweg, also wenn Du noch gar nix hast, ne, dann holst Du dir 'n Raspberry Pi oder irgendwie 'n anderen Singleboardcomputer. Wir haben irgendwie auch auch 'n Nano Pi, die sind noch 'n bisschen günstiger und auch bisschen verfügbarer grade. Und wir brauchen nicht viel Hardware, das heißt, genau. Also irgend 'n kleinen Single Wall Computer, da gibt's dann fertige Linux Images, die kannst Du auf eine SD Karte flashen und dann steckst Du den da rein.\n\nDann hast Du irgendwie im im Webbrowser, nachdem Du irgendwie einmal 'n WLAN Setup gemacht hast, wirst Du irgendwie durchgeleitet und kannst dann deine Wallbox anlegen, deinen Wechselrichter da konfigurieren und die Dinge machen. Genau. Das ist das, das ist der Flow an der Stelle.\n\nSpeaker 2: Cool. Und kannst Du uns 'n\n\nSpeaker 0: bisschen was so zu für unsere Tech Herzen, was ist 'n was sind so das Text Deck aus?\n\nSpeaker 2: Was bringt denn EVCC?\n\nSpeaker 0: Also was ist noch was was wird da drauf geflasht?\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, also vom also einmal von der Software selbst, die ist in Go geschrieben und hat alle möglichen Schnittstellen, ne. Wir sprechen irgendwie MQTT und REST und MCP und was man was man heute so spricht, irgendwie Daten da rein- und rauszukriegen. Und die Nutzeroberfläche ist eine View JS Anwendung, die oben drauf sitzt. Es gibt Apps, eine 1 iOS App und eine Android App, mit der man das auch das Setup machen kann oder wo Du auch... Inzwischen haben wir auch native Widgets, die man sich dann irgendwie auf den Homescreen packen kann, dann irgendwie seinen Ladepunkt direkt eben mit einem Klick hin- und schalten zu können.\n\nAlso zum Ergänzungen, die dann halt so über die Zeit kommen, ne? Leute haben Ideen. Genau, das ist son bisschen die das von der Software da vom TechSac. Da benutzen wir plus dann die, die Widgets müssen dann halt in nativer Sprache der jeweiligen Plattform gebaut werden. Und auf der Unterseite, Du sagst ja eben, was wird dann da drauf geflasht?\n\nDa haben wir einen einen Armbian, wo wir halt vorkonfiguriert unsere Software drauf haben. Also einen den Debian, was halt für Single Boardcomputer angepasst ist. Also Armbian Projekt ziemlich ziemlich cool. Kann man sich auf jeden\n\nSpeaker 0: Fall mal angucken, wenn man\n\nSpeaker 1: wenn man so was Ähnliches machen will. Die unterstützen unglaublich viele Hardwareplattformen neben dem Raspberry Pi halt, ne. Genau und bieten da gute Tools, einfach wirklich 'n Linuximvac zu bauen, ohne da jetzt Superexperte drin sein zu müssen.\n\nSpeaker 0: Das ist vielleicht auch noch mal ganz kurz auch, weil Fabi und ich sind wahrscheinlich eher 'n bisschen näher dran. Wir haben beide eine PV Anlage, beide 'n Elektroauto, beide irgendwie 'n Speicher und so weiter. Vielleicht vielleicht noch mal so das Problem oder für die, die all diese Komponenten noch nicht haben, noch mal ganz kurz auf das Problem eingehen, was ihr versucht zu lösen und was da praktisch so technisch der Hintergrund ist oder wie kompliziert das ist, das zu tun.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja. Ich ich kenn ja mal von meinem Use Case von früher anfangen. Also ich hab Auto gekriegt und dann hab ich gesagt hab ich gesagt, gut, kaufe ich mir eine Wallbox und kaufe ich mir irgendwie eine smarte Wallbox, weil dann ist das mit der PV Steuerung und so, dann geht das bestimmt alles und dann hast Du die Dinger da hängen, dann guckst Du dir das an und siehst, okay, smart bedeutet, dass da irgendwie eine SIM Karte drin ist, aber das heißt nicht, dass diese Wallbox irgendwas von PV Strom oder einem Wechselrichter oder sowas weiß und dann gibt es irgendwelche Zusatzprodukte, die es zu dem Zeitpunkt über Norwegen, pass auch mal. Also komische Dinge, das heißt, es gab jetzt irgendwie nichts, wo ich einfach irgendwie Adapter oder Produkte kaufen konnte, die ich dann die dann gemacht haben, dass meine PV Anlage direkt mit dem Wallbock spricht. Genau, das heißt, das ist erst mal an der Stelle schwierig.\n\nDie meisten PV Anlagen, Wechseldirektorhersteller haben inzwischen auch eine eigene Wallbox im Sortiment. Das heißt, ich kann sagen, ich gehe was auch immer zu SMA und kauf eine SMA Wechselrichter, eine SMA Batterie und auch eine SMA Wallbox und dann geht das irgendwie. Dann haben sie in der kann ich in der SMA App auch sagen, ja, jetzt machen wir irgendwie Überschussladen. Das ist alles gut, solange Du halt in dem System bleibst, ne. Bei Tesla gibt's das auch.\n\nTesla ist, die sind da ist sogar noch 'n bisschen weirder. Die haben eben den Tesla Tesla Wall Connector, die die Tesla Wallbox quasi. Da geht das PV Überschuss steuern nur, wenn Du auch Tesla daran angeschlossen hast. Da kannst Du das zum Beispiel nicht machen, wenn ein Fremdfahrzeug daran angeschlossen ist. Das heißt, die Wallbox, eigentlich ist die Wallbox gar nicht steuerbar, sondern die Wallbox gibt einfach nur über über Cloud quasi das Steuersignal an das Auto weiter und das geht halt noch beim beim Tesla.\n\nDas heißt Weil der Tesla\n\nSpeaker 2: dann sozusagen sagt, wann geladen wird man nicht geladen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Genau. Tesla ist, also die haben eine echt gute Auto API und da kann ich auch irgendwie, da kann ich Start Stop machen über die API und ich kann auch sagen, wie schnell und wie langsam geladen werden soll. Können, ich glaube, neben Tesla wüsste ich jetzt grade gar keinen Hersteller, der das also wirklich auch die die Lade die Ladeströme quasi von außen steuern. Das können die anderen alle nicht. Da sind wir meistens froh, wenn wir überhaupt irgendwie 'n Up to date Akkustand oder so was aus diesem Fahrzeug raus rausquetschen können quasi.\n\nGenau, also will sagen, es gibt Lösungen, wenn man sich auf son Ökosystem quasi einschießt, die dann funktionieren, ne, wo das dann einfach so mit den mit den Sachen, die sich der Hersteller überlegt hat, geht. Spätestens inzwischen hab ich hier noch eine... Wir haben unsere PV Anlage mal erweitert und da war aber 'n anderes Wechsel durch das System irgendwie günstiger. Spätestens wenn dann 2 unterschiedliche Hersteller da drin sind, hat man meistens verloren. Dann ist das...\n\nDa hab ich irgendwie 2 Apps. Also hab ich jetzt gerade auch, ne, von dem einen Wechselrichterherstellung und von dem anderen. Die Zahlen kann ich irgendwie addieren, teilweise muss die auch abziehen, was auch immer. Also das halt, wenn ich noch irgendwie Akku rein und raus oder so was habe, dann fängt's auch an kompliziert zu werden, was jetzt wirklich mein Netzverbrauch war. Und genau, also das ist dann das, wo EVCC, aber auch andere Energiemanagementsysteme, die man sich dann irgendwie kaufen kann, wo wo der Bereich anfängt, ne.\n\nWo man sagt, okay, eigentlich möchte ich 'n 'n 'n Steuerungs- oder 'n Visualisierungssystem haben, was erst mal losgelöst ist von konkreten Marken, sondern wo ich wie Wallbox von Hersteller a, Bit Wechselrichter von Hersteller b zum Beispiel miteinander anschließen kann. Genau. Noch 'n bisschen komplizierter wird das dann, wenn ich noch 'n dynamisches Stromtarif oder so was kriege. Das können also dann dann verlässt man meistens auch schon die Insel, wenn's nicht der Strom ein Stromtarif des Anbieters ist. Auch das gibt es halt, ne.\n\nAlso Wechselritterhersteller, die die auch gleich Strom verkaufen wollen oder Autohersteller. VW ist da, glaub ich, grade drin, ne. Die geben dir gerne eine Wallbox mit dazu und die geben dir auch gerne gleich 'n Stromtarif mit dazu, wo Du dann auch später noch direkt neues Laden. Also alle bauen da ihre kleinen Inseln quasi, sich dann... Das macht auch aus der Sicht sicher auch Sinn, wenn wenn man wenn man son son Player ist.\n\nGenau, aber sobald Du diese Insel verlassen oder miteinander verbinden willst, brauchst Du halt was anderes. Und das ist meistens der Weg, wo die Leute dann unter anderem zu uns kommen und sehen, okay, das scheint zu funktionieren, jetzt a und b da miteinander zu verbinden.\n\nSpeaker 0: Mhm. Ja, vielleicht noch mal Überschussladen, hast Du jetzt ja auch schon mehrmals erwähnt, ne. Also es ist grundsätzlich, wenn man eine PV Anlage hat und das Gefühl, nicht das Gefühl. Und man kann sehen, dass man mehr produziert, als das Haus grade braucht oder der Speicher braucht, den man vielleicht eingebaut hat, dass man diesen Strom dann eben in das Auto lädt, dort möglichst kostengünstig den Strom einfach zu verbrauchen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Stimmt, so mit vorne bin ich gar nicht angefangen. Ja, korrekt.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, man man weiß ja nicht, ne. Wir alle\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, ja, nein, ja. Auch in der Zahl\n\nSpeaker 2: eine PV Anlage. Ich glaub,\n\nSpeaker 0: wollen wir sie da abhängen, lieber noch mal erklären. Genau. Wie sehr siehst Du denn, also wie ich hatte am Anfang eingeleitet ne, das war 'n Feedback zu der 1.5 Grad Folge, die wir irgendwie hatten. Wie sehr siehst Du denn da EVCC als Alternative oder wie sehr stellst Du dir vor, soll es dort verankert sein und welche Use Cases so alle noch zusätzlich abdecken?\n\nSpeaker 1: Alternative zu Systemen wie 1.5 Grad, meinst Du jetzt konkret oder? Gute Frage. Also was wir... Also da wir ja nicht so auf in der Produktbauwelt sind, haben wir jetzt auch nicht so was wie son son Vergleichsheet, wo wir sehen, was macht so der Wettbewerb und so. Das kriegen wir son bisschen, also wie das bei Open Source Projekten so ist, das kriegt man halt implizit, indirekt dadurch, dass Leute sagen, hier, da daher kenn ich dieses Feature oder wär doch cool, wenn ihr das und das könnt.\n\nDas nervt mich an 'nem anderen System, dass das da nicht geht. Genau. Also was bislang unser Kern ist, ist halt wirklich so mehr oder weniger die terministische Regel, ne. Das heißt, die Sonne scheint. Ich kann nie wie einmal konfigurieren, was ich dann haben möchte, also ob zuerst der Hausakku geladen werden soll oder ob zuerst das Auto geladen werden soll oder nach bestimmten Bedingungen.\n\nEr ist auch Hausakku halb voll und danach darfst Du irgendwie Auto machen oder so. Oder andersrum, ich will mit dem Auto gleich weg und ich könnte die Energie aus dem Hausspeicher vielleicht noch schnell eben ins Auto rüberschieben, bevor ich wegfahre, einfach damit der Speicher wieder frei ist und neue Sonne aufnehmen kann zum Beispiel. Genau, so Sachen, die haben wir aktuell gebaut und das ist sehr, also deterministisch mit, Du weißt, was passiert, ne. Was auch, also das ist ja das, wo 1.5 Grad, ich ich wie gesagt, ich bin jetzt mit deren Prospekten quasi ähnlich ganz vertraut, aber ich glaube, der das Key Ding, mit dem Sie immer in die Werbung gehen, ist, dass Sie halt irgendwie AI und automatisch optimieren und so was machen. Es gibt bei uns eine Gruppe von Leuten, die eher sonen mathematischen Background haben, die aus so 1 Stromoptimierungssicht und dann wirklich auch ein, 2 Tage nach vorne gucken, Ecke kommen.\n\nDas heißt, wir haben jetzt 'n Projekt, das nennt sich Optimizam. Aktuell kann man das anstellen, dann sieht man irgendwie, was der Optimizer tun würde. Ich bin jetzt grade hart am am Testen, heute Nacht nur 'n Testverlauf gehabt, der der nicht so funktioniert, wie ich mir vorgestellt hab, wo wird das Ding jetzt auch wirklich dem steuerbare Sachen in die Hand geben. Das heißt, was also was wir tun, ist, alles, was wir an Zukunftsdinge wissen, Sonnenvorhersage, Verhalten aus der Vergangenheit, füttern wir in diesen Optimizer quasi rein. Der macht 'n Plan.\n\nDer Plan wird auch regelmäßig aktualisiert und abhängig von diesem Plan und nicht nur davon, wie jetzt die aktuelle Situation ist, scheint kommt jetzt grad die Sonne, kommt jetzt grad die Sonne nicht, sondern son langfristigeren Plan. Der wird dann als Basis für die Regelung genommen. Genau. Da kommen dann auch immer gleiche Fragen mit, macht ihr das denn mit AI oder nicht? Aktuell ist das einfach einen einen einen, ich da ich in der Entwicklung gar nicht so so tief drin.\n\nAlso in Python, wo numerisches Zollving passiert, wo probiert die preisoptimierteste Lösung quasi für die in sonem Viertelstundenraster für die nächste Zeit zu bauen. Genau. Wobei die Schnittstelle, die wir da haben, da spricht auch nichts dagegen, da einfach später andere Algorithmen oder andere Modelle quasi dazwischen zu hängen, die dann vielleicht nicht auf so ein Modell aufbauen. Aber genau, grade sind wir da bei den ersten Use Case mit dem numerischen Model an den Start zu kriegen.\n\nSpeaker 0: Mhm. Ich bin Ja, Fabi.\n\nSpeaker 2: Wenn ich draufblicke, weil wir hatten jetzt ja, wir springen vielleicht 'n bisschen zwischen dem Produkt und der Technik, aber wenn ich irgendwie auf die Technik blicke, hattest Du ja vorhin gemeint, okay, also das das Tax Stack ist grundsätzlich, dass ihr den Go geschrieben habt und so und dann hast Du darüber gesprochen, so was ihr alles sprecht.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ihr sprecht MQTT und ihr sprecht Reste.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ihr sprecht aber auch MCP, wo mich interessieren würde, wann\n\nSpeaker 0: in welchem Fall ihr MCP sprechen müsst. Aber wenn ich jetzt mal\n\nSpeaker 2: auf eurer Homepage gucke und Du hast ja gemeint, die die Typen, die ihr anbietet, sind Wallbox, sind Fahrzeuge, Wechselrichter und Wärmepumpen. Und wenn ich mal, in dem Fall hab ich meine AI Liste und gesagt, okay, guck doch mal, wie viele verschiedene Marken haben sie denn auf der Homepage? Da sind bei Wallbox und Wechselrichter irgendwas nördlich von 100. Fahrzeuge und Wärmepumpen sind wir irgendwie bei Fahrzeuge 60, Wärmepumpen 40. So ist, was ist das Typischste, was ihr vielleicht auch pro Kategorie irgendwie, wie die Interaktion ist und ich frag mich, wenn ich wenn ich so viele Wallboxen, Wechselrichter und Wärmepumpen und Fahrzeuge.\n\nErstfrage ist, hast Du 57 Autos in der in vor deinem Haus stehen oder wie testet ihr die überhaupt? Wie bindet ihr das alles an? Ist es wirklich, dass ihr's immer mit physischen Geräten testet? Macht ihr's immer nur, wenn jemand aus der Community kommt und sagt, ich hab hier ein neues Gerät? Also wie kann ich mir das vorstellen, dass ihr die ganzen Anbindung für diese verschiedenen Anbieter macht und die irgendwie aktuell haltet, irgendwie dagegen testet, so wie...\n\nIch stell mir das nicht ganz so simpel vor.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja. Ich fang mal rückwärts an. Du hattest ja eben angefangen mit wie wie sprecht ihr mit denen und dann dieses wie verifiziert ihr das? Ich ich ich probier mal mit dem Letzten zu starten. In der in der Tat ist das so, dass alles, was da gelistet ist an Marke und auch an Gerät, also wenn's jetzt irgendwie, keine Ahnung, die gibt es mit ein und 2 und 3 Anschlüssen, dann kann das auch sein, dass wir mal sagen, nee, wir haben 'n Nutzer, der das mit einem getestet und das Datenblatt sagt, zweiter Dritter heißt dann nur noch die Zahl, die ihr damit angeben könnt, dann dann ist das...\n\nAlso nicht alle Modellvarianten sind sind vielleicht Ende zu Ende getestet worden. Mhm. Aber es ist in der Tat so, dass alles, was an Implementierung da ist, ist entstanden, weil es 'n Nutzer gab, der gesagt hat, ich hab das Ding hier hängen, könnt ihr das einbauen? Mhm. Also wir gehen nicht los und sagen, ah hier guck mal, was ist denn 'n US Wallboxen oder sowas und gucken dann füttern Datenblätter irgendwo rein oder lesen die selber und bauen da da Implementierungen raus.\n\nDas heißt, da steckt in der Regel echt immer eine Person hinter und abhängig, jetzt kommen wir vielleicht auf die Protokolle, wenn wir mal bei den Wallboxen bleiben. Also der Klassiker ist, die sprechen Modbus, also 'n sehr, also son maschinennahes Protokoll quasi. Da muss ich irgendwelche Riester kennen und muss auch teilweise irgendwelche Abläufe und Tänze kennen im Sinne von ja, das machen und dann kurz warten und dann warten, bis dann das passiert ist und dann noch irgendwie weiter, ne. Also ist dann teilweise mehr als einfach nur sagen, jetzt los geht's. Genau, das heißt Modbus ist ist son Plastik Ding.\n\nDann gibt's 'n paar Wallboxen, Go I und so, die können HTTP oder ich kann auch teilweise MQT sprechen, wenn man die irgendwie mit 'nem Server verbindet. Das ist, genau, bei bei gibt's da noch mal die, ja, einmal wieder zurück, gibt's noch mal die Spielart mit. Das passiert irgendwie seriell, über son son 2 3 Kabel quasi oder es funktioniert über Internet oder über Ethernet. Genau, und da gibt's 'n paar Wallboxen, zum Glück nicht zu viele, die wir halt nur über Online Schnittstelle erreichen können. Ich selbst besitze so eine Wallbox, weil ich gedacht hab, die sollte smart sein, das war eine doofe Entscheidung, aber egal.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ich glaub meine Haut.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ich hab eine Easy hier.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, ja, genau. Genau. Da gibt's auch einen größeren Expertenkreis diese Easy Wallbox und diese Easy Integration, also mehrere Nutzer, die wir dann, wenn wir 'n Problem haben, also ich 'n Problem habe oder jemand anders, was auch immer, dann weiß man schon, wen man ansprechen muss und sagt, hier ist das bei dir auch so und wie läuft denn das so? Und so ist das aber bei allen möglichen Gerätekategorien. Wo wir wissen, wenn da jetzt irgendwie jemand kommt und sagt, ah, mit dieser Wärmepumpe gibt's 'n Problem, dann wissen wir schon so ein, 2 Nutzer.\n\nInzwischen haben wir das auch 'n bisschen automatisiert, dass wir auch sehen, wer hat contributed zu diesem Template und zu dieser Integration, dass wir die gleich anpingen und sagen, hier kannst Du da was zu sagen, bevor ich jetzt gucke, das zu revers zu engineer mit mit der Person, die sich grade gemeldet hat. Und das funktioniert ganz gut, aber ist in der Tat auch 'n großer Teil der Arbeit. Also das wirklich dieses Connecten von Leuten und und Gucken, dass man da Feedback kriegt und so, das das zu organisieren, ja.\n\nSpeaker 2: Und das heißt, das ist jetzt warst Du, jetzt warst Du bei Wallboxen und bei Wechselrichtern. Ist Fahrzeugenwerbung gefühlt ähnliche Landschaft so oder wie sind da noch mal Ja. Weil Fahrzeuge ist wahrscheinlich kein Modbus, würd ich jetzt mal tippen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Nee, bei Fahrzeugen haben wir immer, na ja, fast fast immer haben wir eine Online Schnittstelle, ne. Die ist bei 1 kleinen Handvoll Fahrzeughersteller gibt es offizielle Schnittstellen. Bei einigen ist es halt wirklich die Reverse engineierte Schnittstelle, die die Android App irgendwie verwendet, ne, wo's dann auch Open Source Projekte gibt. Das ist dann meistens auch das, was man in Home Assistant, wenn man die anwenden will, wo man ähnliche Wege quasi geht, da sind wir auch teilweise mit Leuten dann in Kontakt, ne. Also wenn ist die der der Mensch, der jetzt bei die die VW Integration für Home Assistant baut, der ist auch bei immer unterwegs und andersrum, wo man dann guckt, was macht man denn da eigentlich grade?\n\nGenau, da gibt's Hersteller, die sich auch gegen wehren und sagen, das ist eine, wir wollen das nicht, macht das mal bitte nicht und dann irgendwie absichtlich ihre API umbauen. Auch das passiert, das ist dann auf unserer Seite mal nervig. Also Fahrzeugschnittstellen ist son bisschen deutlich mehr Schwankungen drin als bei Wallboxen. Die kriegen meistens keine Firmware Updates, sondern hängen dann da so, wie die ausgeliefert wurden, wenn die nicht grade Internet connected sind, wie die easy oder so. Da ist es stabiler.\n\nSpeaker 2: Das heißt aber, es werden auch bei Fahrzeugen geschrieben vor. Da gibt's dann auch keinen so, ihr seid da irgendwie als als Anbieter registriert und könnt euch 'n API Token holen. Das ist eher so, da muss man bei euch im Portal einfach seine Endkunden, Passwort und E-Mail eingeben oder wie kann ich mir Ja. Wie macht eine Authentifizierung gegenüber?\n\nSpeaker 0: Genau, genau. Klingt hacky.\n\nSpeaker 1: Genau, uns ist das Dezentrale als superwichtig und wir wollen eigentlich keine zentrale Stelle spielen, ne? Ja. Und wir standen schon mehrfach vor dem Punkt, wo wir gesagt haben, keine Ahnung, deutscher Automobilhersteller kommt auf uns zu und sagt, hier, ihr könnt hier eine offizielle Schnittstelle kriegen. Ihr müsst diesen NDA unterschreiben und dann müsst ihr irgendwie diesen Vertrag pro API Aufruf oder so was unterschreiben. Und das hat den Vorteil, dass es dann kombiniert ist für den Nutzer, weil der kann dann einfach irgendwie klicken und dann geht das irgendwie, aber eigentlich wollen wir das nicht.\n\nEigentlich wollen wir nicht irgendwie API Views da dazwischen verkaufen, sondern zumindest ich bin eigentlich der Überzeugung, dass wenn ich das Auto kaufe und sogar noch 'n Online Abo für dieses Auto bezahle im Monat, dass ich auch gerne der das Recht haben sollte, an dieses Fahrzeug und an seine Daten ranzukommen. Ja. Genau. Bei allen Dingen geht es, ne. Bei Tester muss ich mir 'n Developer Account anlegen und dann irgendwie die Daten vom Developer Account dann bei uns eintragen und dann dann komme ich da irgendwie dran.\n\nVW hat, ich hatte das eben so ohne Namen gesagt, aber ich kann das ja auch nennen. Also der VW Konzern hat die APIs von 'n paar Monaten Anfang des Jahres gab's eigentlich die heiße Artikel zu und so, haben die ihre APIs dichtgemacht und explizit geschützt gegen so Third Party Zugriffe. Da gab's großen Aufschreiungen, auch großes Feedback von vielen Leuten aus unserer Community, aber auch aus anderen Communities, die diese Schnittstellen verwenden und genau auch finden, da sollten Sie irgendwie was drauf haben. Was eine ganz coole Story ist, ist, dass vor 'nem Monat oder anderthalb Monaten Skoda auf uns zu bekommen. Auch da scheint es EVCC Nutzer lustigerweise zu geben in dieser Firma.\n\nDie gesagt haben, hier, wir kriegen da ganz viel Feedback und eigentlich finden wir das auch doof. Eigentlich möchten wir eine offizielle Schnittstelle für Endnutzer ohne B2B quasi geben. Wie sollte die denn aussehen? Was braucht ihr denn? Was können wir denn da machen, ne?\n\nUnd das heißt, es sind wirklich mit uns in den Dialog getreten, bevor sie jetzt einfach irgendwas rausgehauen haben und da haben wir jetzt, kann man bei uns im Blog aussehen, irgendwie einen vor 2, 3 Wochen einen einen Blogartikel zugeschrieben. Da kann ich jetzt einfach in der App sagen, ich hätt gern 'n API Key, also in der normalen Endanwender App und den kannst Du kopieren, den kannst Du bei uns reinkopieren und dann kannst Du irgendwie mit deinem Fahrzeug sprechen. Das ist total geil, ne?\n\nSpeaker 2: Also so klingt es ja immer gut.\n\nSpeaker 1: Genau, genau richtig. Und ja, wir probieren ein bisschen zu pushen. Unsere unsere Power ist da natürlich eingeschränkt in dem Markt, weil die alle auch Geld verdienen wollen mit b-two-b-Sachen, aber ja. Also was, glaube ich, wirklich hilft, ist Nutzerfeedback. Das haben wir zumindest bei Skoda gemerkt, weil die hat sie hat sich auf uns zugekommen, weil die uns irgendwie toll finden oder da sondern wirklich, weil Kunden gesagt haben, könnt ihr, also was was geht da?\n\nDas ging doch vorher. Könnt ihr nicht machen, dass das wieder geht.\n\nSpeaker 2: Mhm. Heißt, VW geht jetzt auch weiterhin nicht oder was heißt was die VW Situation?\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, jetzt komplicated. Ja, bei der Kombi geht es aktuell nicht. Okay. Genau, Skoda, also Skoda ist ja mit in dieser ganzen Gruppe drin und die haben irgendwie alle am gleichen Tag haben die ihre APIs ausgeschaltet. Ich glaube, außer Coupreis.\n\nIch will jetzt nichts zweites erzählen, aber ich glaube, die haben's irgendwie angelassen. Skoda hat's auch ausgemacht und die haben mit ihrer Legacy API dann aber dann doch aufgrund von Feedback dann doch wieder angeknipst 'n paar Tage später und haben jetzt aber inzwischen ihre Nachfolgeschnittstelle, die halt wirklich dafür gebaut ist von den\n\nSpeaker 2: Aber ich muss ja mal\n\nSpeaker 0: mehr verstehen. Das heißt,\n\nSpeaker 2: die ihr habt ja vorher auch schon nur die benutzt, die dann ihre App benutzt hat.\n\nSpeaker 0: Das heißt, was ist dann mit der\n\nSpeaker 2: App so? Ist jetzt eine API, die ihr so\n\nSpeaker 0: einfach nicht mehr rankommt oder wie kann ich\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, ich glaub, sie haben dann, ich bin da in der Tiefe nicht drin, aber Du hast auf auf Android und Co kannst Du dann ja auch so Integrity Sachen mal so was Banking Apps benutzen, dann bestimmte Dinge zu sperren oder da nicht reingucken zu lassen oder dann auch irgendwie eine Verifizierung auf der Geräteebene mitzuhaben und da haben sie, glaube ich, Dinge aktiviert und gemacht, die ich die man nicht so einfach von außen imitieren kann. Da gibt's, ich glaube auch bei der VW Integration für Homerystyistin gibt's, glaube ich, Umwege und Dinge, wo wir gesagt haben, weiß ich nicht, ob wir die jetzt schon mitgehen, das haben wir, glaube ich, erst mal nicht gemacht. Aber ja, das ist halt Katz und Maus, ne. Also klar, wenn die Daten irgendwo herkommen, dann können wir die vielleicht auch irgendwo herholen.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja. Ja. Also bei Armino Neu war's ähnlich. Das hat lange Zeit irgendwie funktioniert. Ich glaube, ich weiß gar nicht, ob das war Anfang des Jahres oder so was haben die glaube ich auch irgendwas umgestellt und man muss immer sich son Token auch irgendwie generieren und dann gibt's son lustiges Skript, was irgendwo auf sonem GitHub Account liegt und wenn Du das irgendwie ausführst, dann Glück hast, dann öffnet sich die richtige Browserseite und dann wird da irgendwo an der Konsole irgend 'n Key ausgelesen, der dann ein bisschen dafür sorgt.\n\nDas ganze Ding wieder mit deinem Auto sprechen kann.\n\nSpeaker 2: Aber irgendwie ist der ja auf jeden Fall sehr, ich mein, sehr interessante Produktstrategie von VW so, ne. Ich mein, kann doch im Endeffekt von diesem Fahrzeughersteller nicht das Ziel sein. Also kann's schon irgendwie, weißt Du, wie war eine komische Vorstellung, dass Du einfach jegliche Komponenten von denen in deinem Haus hast, nur dann geht es so. Also ich das das\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, also es es gibt ja auch, also ich kann über Third Party Services auch teilweise welche, wo ich mich privat anmelden kann. Also es gibt so so Fahrzeugaggregatoren quasi, da kann ich mir 'n Account machen, da bezahl ich den monatlich, was auch immer, Betrag x, 5 Euro oder irgendwie so was. Und dann haben die haben die genau diese B2B Deals, ne? Das heißt, ich kann dann da mich dann connecten mit VW, das heißt, meine VW Daten gehen an diesen Third Party Händler Portal Fahrzeugding, die macht ja noch 'n Fahrtenbuch rum. Die haben noch mehr Funktionen, als dass die nur API Sachen durchreicht, ne?\n\nAber diese Wege gibt's natürlich auch und also TRONITY ist irgendwie son Name, ne? Die und die integrieren wir auch. Das heißt, wenn Du sagst Ja. Ich will das über diesen Weg machen, dann kannst Du dann auch einfach die Datenquelle bei E-V-C-reinhängen und wie dann, wo dann die Daten originär herkommen, ist dann erst mal auf unserer Seite egal, genau.\n\nSpeaker 2: Okay, also das war jetzt grad mein Denken, ne klar, Sie wollen einfach 'nem B2B Partner irgendwie mit mit\n\nSpeaker 1: Das ist meine, also wir haben mit ganz vielen Einzelpersonen gesprochen und da hat man auch immer das Gefühl, okay, die verstehen das teilweise, nutzen das auch selber und sie nervt uns auch, aber ja, wir auch mal. Also nee, ich glaube, es sind letztendlich sind es Firmen Entscheidungen. Und kannst Sie noch kurz\n\nSpeaker 2: über die Use Cases erzählen, was man eigentlich, also was macht man denn eigentlich mit dieser Autoschnittstelle? Du hast\n\nSpeaker 0: jetzt gemeint, klar, bei dem Tesla, dem kann\n\nSpeaker 2: ich irgendwie sagen, jetzt fangen wir an zu laden, laden wir mit so und so viel, aber theoretisch, also das ist ja typischerweise bei allen anderen Fahrzeugen, dann die Wallbox, die ihr da steuert und diese Informationen mit gebt. Was holt ihr euch dann oder was macht ihr mit den Fahrzeuginformationen? Batterie, Ladestand hast Du ja schon mal gemeint so, aber Genau. Gibt's noch andere Use Case oder ist das...\n\nSpeaker 1: Also das ist eigentlich die kritische Information, weil wenn wir den Fahrzeugstand kennen, können wir halt schlaue Dinge machen. Dann kann man so was bauen wie, das Fahrzeug ist jetzt mit 5 Prozent an die Wallbox angeschlossen worden. Normalerweise steht das irgendwie auf, mach nur, wenn PV Überschuss da ist, aber vielleicht, also zumindest bei mir hab ich's so konfiguriert, dass ich gesagt hab, okay, das Geld optimieren und PV optimieren ist mir erst mal egal, wenn das Auto so leer ist, ne. Also auch Akku Langlebigkeit, man soll die auch nicht so lange so leer rumstehen lassen, wie auch immer und aber auch Mindestreichweite, wenn dann irgendwas ist, irgendjemand ruft an, dann will ich trotzdem irgendwie in der Lage sein, so, keine Ahnung, 50 Kilometer mit dem Auto fahren zu können, ohne drüber nachzudenken. Das heißt, solche Funktionen können wir einbauen.\n\nDas heißt, wir stecken an im Moment des Ansteckens, checken wir das Auto, wie voll bist Du grade? Okay, Du bist, kleine Ahnung, kleiner als 5, kleiner 20 Prozent. Dann machen wir dich erst mal so schnell wie es geht, voll auf 20 Prozent. Und danach fangen wir an mit PV Überschussladen und 'n bisschen reduzieren. Das heißt, das ist ein Anwendungsfall.\n\nUnd andere Anwendungsfall sind halt so regelmäßige oder so planerische Sachen, ne. Also mit, keine Ahnung, ich mach morgen irgendwie 'n Ausrufe, morgen nach Hamburg. Dann stell ich 'n ivcc ein, okay, morgen 8 Uhr guck mal, dass Du das Auto irgendwie voll machst, 100 Prozent oder irgendwie so was, ne. Dann kann dann der unser Planungsalgorithmus halt überlegen, gut, was kommt da heute über Tag noch rein? Wir haben eine PV Vorhersage, müssen wir nachts, wenn ich 'n Dynamische Stromtarif hab, kann man sich da noch günstige Slots raussuchen oder selbst wenn ich keinen Dynamische Stromtarif hab, können wir uns die c-o-zwei-neutralsten oder c-o-zwei- ärmsten Slots quasi raussuchen und sagen, okay, dann will ich zumindest zu grünen Stunden laden und muss jetzt nicht abends, wenn alle irgendwie ausm Netz ziehen und dann noch irgendwie die Gaskraftwerke anlaufen, noch mein Auto mit da reinhängen, ne.\n\nGenau, solche so Optimierungen gehen halt, wenn wir das Delta wissen, ne. Wenn wir wissen, wo willst Du eigentlich hin? Wie viel Energie brauchst Du eigentlich? So der Standardmove ist ja sonst, Du steckst es an, das Auto lädt einfach die ganze Zeit auf voller Geschwindigkeit und isst dann jemand voll, weil's nicht mehr mag oder weil's dann voll ist und und fertig. Das heißt, da sehen wir's von außen dann ja nicht, ja.\n\nGenau, die Alternative, wenn Du keine Fahrzeugschnittstelle hast, dann können wir das mit der Energiemenge auch manuell machen, ne. Das heißt, Du kannst es anschließen und dann sag ich nicht, morgens, Du sollst das Auto auf 100 Prozent laden, sondern zu morgen früh mach mal 50 Kilowattstunden obendrauf. Das heißt, ich muss aber wissen, wie voll ist das? Wie voll... Also ich muss dann diese diesen Dreisatz quasi im Kopf vollziehen und wenn genau, wenn wenn der Computer das machen kann, ist das immer schöner.\n\nMuss man weniger drüber nachdenken.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, auf jeden Fall. Ja cool, das heißt, dann haben wir\n\nSpeaker 2: jetzt mal eigentlich mal in alle Kategorien mal reingeblickt, Fahrzeugewechselrichter Wallboxen, wo wir jetzt nicht reingeschaut haben, war Wärmepumpen. Heißt das, die machen einfach am wenigsten Probleme oder oder warum hast Du uns noch nix über Wärmepumpen erzählt? Oder ist das so, komm, komm, jetzt erst die schlimmen Geschichten?\n\nSpeaker 1: Nee, gar nicht. Also ja, wobei es es kommt ein bisschen drauf an. Also Wärmepumpen, da da gibt's son bisschen 2 Kategorien. Also was fast alle Wärmepumpen haben, ist etwas, das nennt sich SG ready. Das heißt also, das ist ein sehr einfaches Protokoll in Anführungszeichen.\n\nMan hat da hinten son paar elektrische Kontakte und wenn man die in bestimmter Art überbrückt oder einen Schalter zwischen den beiden schließt, dann kann man die in sonen Modus versetzen. Das sind, also spannend, für uns sind eigentlich 2 Modi am Boost Modus, wo man der Wärmepumpe sagen kann. Übrigens, falls Du grade was zu tun hättest, jetzt wär 'n geiler Zeitpunkt. Wir haben Überschuss da, Strom ist total billig, was auch immer. Jetzt könntest Du voll Gas geben und keine Ahnung, das Warmwasser für morgens zum Duschen schon mal irgendwie voll machen.\n\nUnd der andersrum Weg ist ein, das kommen wir eher so in den Regulierungsbereich, dass Du bei neuen Anlagen auch eine Dimmfähigkeit brauchst. Das heißt, der Netzbetreiber kann dir sagen, übrigens ist grade schwierig hier, machen wir alle regelbaren Verbraucher irgendwie auf Spafflamme quasi. Das heißt, da können wir an den an die Wärmepumpe auch 'n Dimm Signal schicken, also da dann den den Dimm Modus aktivieren und dann fährt die so weit runter, wie man das vorher einmal eingestellt hat. Geht bei Oneboxen auch, da steuern wir das dann halt direkt. Genau, aber das SD ready Ding ist der einfachste Fall.\n\nDas geht fast immer, weil ich brauch dann eigentlich nur son, keine Ahnung, irgend eine Art von steuerbares Relais, ne. Das ist oft 'n Shelly oder irgendwas anderes, wo ich mit 'ner\n\nSpeaker 0: Schnittstelle,\n\nSpeaker 1: mit 'ner API oder so was sagen kann, hier Du, mach mal auf, mach mal zu. Mhm. Was dann halt heißt, mach mal dimmen oder mach mal Boost.\n\nSpeaker 2: Das heißt, da hänge aber ich wirklich an die Wärmepunkte Elektriker. Elektriker.\n\nSpeaker 1: Die machen da nichts anderes. Genau. Genau. Genau. Also ja, das muss man da gucken, ne.\n\nAlso das kann man dem Elektriker dann durchaus einbauen lassen. Das kennen die aber. Das ist das ist der Standardfall, wie man son SG ready Ding dann da benutzt. Allerdings, was wir was wir auf der Wechsel, Quatsch, auf der auf der Wärmepumpenanlage grade sehen, ist, dass es da jetzt auch Firmen gibt, die dieses Walt Garden Ökosystem game spielen wollen, die halt sagen, ja, unsere Wärmepumpe, ich nenn jetzt hier keinen Hersteller, auch weil ich ihn nicht sicher weiß, aber könnt ihr euch nachgucken, sieht man an den Interationen immer, was man da da eingeben muss. Du hast hier 'n Onlineaccount und über den Onlineaccount kannst Du dann auch sehen, was die Wärmepumpe grade tut und darüber kannst Du auf dieser Wärmepumpe die Signale geben und lokale Schnittstelle hat das Ding zum Beispiel gar nicht oder zumindest nicht 'ner nennenswerten Art.\n\nDas heißt, da haben wir Wärmepumpen drin, wo wir dann halt son halt mit sonem, ja, mit dem mit der Cloud des Wärmepumpenbetreibers machen müssen. Und das ist, also das ist aus Endnutzern Sicht nett, weil ich hab da irgendwie eine App und ich kann dann sehen, was macht meine Wärmepumpe da eigentlich? Aber das als den primären Kanal für auch für lokale Steuerbarkeit zu haben, ist eher was, wo wir 'n bisschen von genervt sind, was was wir natürlich gerne anders hätten. Genau, weil also bei Wärmepumpen habe ich das Gefühl, die sind jetzt relativ neu in, dass das passiert, aber da hab ich das Gefühl, die die spielen den, die sind deutlich cloudaffiner wie die normalen Wechselrichter oder Speichersysteme, wo eigentlich eine lokale Schnittstelle das eigentlich das ja das das Mehrminimum quasi ist, ne. Auch da hatten wir jetzt 'n paar Player, ich glaub, Anker mit ihren ersten größeren Hausprodukten, also für Speicher und Wechselrichter haben sie auch gesagt, nee, wir machen das nur mit Cloud und da gab's, glaub ich, so viel Feedback, dass sie inzwischen auch eine lokale Stelle, ich weiß gar nicht, ob's 'n Modbus ist, aber mit denen können wir jetzt auch sprechen, ohne dass da Cloud Account drauf, einfach weil Nutzerfeedback oder Marktfeedback war, dass man das haben wollte.\n\nSpeaker 0: Was Okay. Schönes. Und wenn Du jetzt den Use Case,\n\nSpeaker 2: also Du hattest jetzt SD Ready erklärt, so wenn wenn man irgendwie 'n Shelly oder irgendwas anderes dranhängt, da hab nur 2 Relais, diese 2 Zustände zu versetzen. Wenn's jetzt aber den Cloud Zugang gibt,\n\nSpeaker 0: wie wird die inwiefern steuert\n\nSpeaker 2: ihr die Wärmepumpe dann noch smarter? Also was gibt's Ja. Gibt's für Use Cases so, wie wie wie man das noch oft weiter optimieren kann?\n\nSpeaker 1: Genau. Also da also da gibt's teilweise bei mir 'n Punkt, wo wir auch wirklich Leistungsvorgaben oder Leistungsempfehlungen halt rausgeben können, ne. Nicht nur einen, machen wir jetzt mehr, machen wir jetzt weniger, sondern wir können der sagen, jetzt wären übrigens 5 Kilowatt an Leistung wären jetzt grade verfügbar. Die darfst Du jetzt nehmen und dann geht die auch nicht in 8 Kilowatt Modus, wo sie dann doch wieder ausm Netz nachziehen würde, was wir ja in 'nem anderen Fall nicht wirklich steuern können, ne. Da können wir nur sagen, mach oder mach nicht.\n\nUnd wir können natürlich für uns in der Konfiguration noch angeben, was mach oder mach nicht ungefähr bedeutet bei dem Gerät, ne, sodass wir son bisschen wissen, wann wann macht das Sinn, wann macht das keinen Sinn, das schon zu tun. Aber genau, bei den Geräten, die... Das muss nicht zählen in der Cloudsteuerung gehen. Wir haben auch wirklich die lokalen Schnittstellen haben, wo wir\n\nSpeaker 0: das machen können. Da können wir\n\nSpeaker 1: halt 'n Leistungswert hingeben und dann sagen, das ist das das, was jetzt grade verfügbar wäre und nimm nimm das mal bitte. Oder wenn Strom günstig ist, sagen wir halt hier, reizt mal aus, was Du machen kannst zum Beispiel, ne, weil wir jetzt grade gar gar kein Überschusslimit haben, sondern einfach eine gute Zeit wäre, jetzt so viel wie möglich zu benutzen.\n\nSpeaker 2: Das heißt aber, wenn ihr jetzt eine Wärmepumpe sagt, mach mal 5 Kilowatt, das heißt dann, andere entscheiden aber die Werbepumpe. Also beispielsweise Ja, genau.\n\nSpeaker 0: Kann ja sein, es ist schon es ist schon warm in meinem Haus und ich will es nicht noch wärmer haben.\n\nSpeaker 2: Das heißt ja nicht nur, weil jetzt Energie da ist, dass mein Haus jetzt 3 Grad wärmer werden soll, ich's eigentlich haben will.\n\nSpeaker 1: Genau, richtig. Also bei Werbepumpen, die in der Regel haben die 'n Puffer, ne, also fast immer haben die 'n Puffer und der wird aufgeheizt. Das steuert jetzt nicht das Raumthermostat oder so was, ne. Und bei den Wärmepumpen ist es auch fast, ne, ist es auch schließlich so, dass wir da eine Leistungsempfehlung geben, also entweder binär über diesen Boost oder halt über, das wäre jetzt verfügbar und das, was die Wärmepumpe dann eigentlich macht, ist dann ihre Aufgabe, ne. Also wir fahren das Ding jetzt nicht irgendwie aktiv irgendwie hoch und sagen, mach mal halt deine Heizstäbe an oder benutzt mal irgendwas, obwohl das grade Mhm.\n\nVielleicht gar nicht gebraucht ist oder in dem normalen Jahreszeitprofile Außentemperatur total unangebracht wäre. Genau. Und die andere Variante davon, wo wir Wärmeerzeugen sind, ich hab mir jetzt, ich hab wär mir sone Pelletsheizung. Wir haben sonen großen Wasserspeicher und ich hab jetzt vor 2, 3 Jahren dann Heizstab einbauen lassen. Einfach im Sommer, jetzt grade ist die Pelletheizung halt aus und die ist, was auch immer, schau ich wahrscheinlich auch erst im Oktober wieder an.\n\nUnd jetzt grade ist da son Heizstab drin und der macht halt, wenn PV Überschuss da ist, macht der einfach aus aus elektrischer Energie einfach Wärme, ne, und heizt diesen Wasserspeicher auf. Und den steuern wir dann sehr direkt. Das heißt, da sagen wir wirklich, also hat man in der Regel eine Rückkopplung über son Temperaturfühler, ne, dass man so bestimmte Grenzen eineneilt, das die sollten da wirklich ein Gerät sein. Dass wenn irgendwie viele Funktionen 'n E-V-CC ist, dass das nicht dazu führt, dass das Wasser auf einmal anfängt zu kochen, obwohl es das nicht sollte, ne. Das ist immer so so Bassline, dass das Gerät das können muss.\n\nGenau, aber das jetzt hier ist es grade so, wenn das Auto nicht da ist und irgendwie Schauspieler voll sind, dann springt halt der Heizstab an, so als Letztesverwerter, bevor wir einspeisen, weil's dann immer noch 'n bisschen günstiger ist, dann einfach Wärme daraus zu machen, als dann für 7 Cent oder so was rauszugeben. Genau. Und da ist es aber so, dass genau, dass wir direkt die Leistung an dem Heizstab einstellen und der dann auch diese Leistung quasi mitmacht, solange er in seinem Temperaturbereich ist.\n\nSpeaker 2: Jetzt hast Du noch Fragen zu zu diesem Punkt der Theorie und sonst mach ich in meinem Kopf schon eine andere Kategorie auf an nächsten Fragen.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, also ich mein, ist ja keine jetzt persönliche Produktberatung grade, aber...\n\nSpeaker 2: Das Dingelstrackerweg.\n\nSpeaker 0: Es es\n\nSpeaker 1: kann kein Jingle, aber...\n\nSpeaker 0: Die, also ich hab, so Fragen\n\nSpeaker 2: habe ich auch noch, auf\n\nSpeaker 0: wen Du's nicht damit wünscht. Nein, das Ding ist, also ich, wie wie gesagt, ich hab ja, ne, ich hab zu Hause alles Mögliche an an diesen Komponenten, mittlerweile auch eine Wärmepumpe, PV Anlage, Elektroauto Wallbox, soweit vorhanden. Dynamischer Stromtarif auch. Bisher Tibber, ab jetzt eben 1.5 Grad direkt, weil meine Wärmepumpe von 1.5 Grad ist und ich jetzt erst mal gucken wollte, was die denn machen. In dem Sinne auch HardBeat jetzt.\n\nDas wird aber jetzt am ersten Oktober aktiviert, von daher bin ich mal gespannt, wie Smart oder welche Optimierungen da rausgeholt werden können. Und irgendwie in meinem Kopf, vielleicht hab ich auch noch nicht lange genug drüber nachgedacht, bin ich mir auch noch nicht so richtig sicher, wo ich denn jetzt am Ende welche Steuerung haben will. Denn als wir das Haus gekauft haben und umgebaut haben vor 5 Jahren oder so was, hab ich zusätzlich, kennt Fabio auch noch die Geschichten von Kontrollen, sone Heizungssteuerung, eine smarte Heizungssteuerung, die praktisch jeden einzelnen Heizkreis mit Sensoren überwacht bei der Fußbodenheizung und sonst jeden Heizkörper einen Funkthermostat hat, wo genau also in beide Richtungen praktisch Temperaturen zurückkommen und Temperaturen gesetzt werden, die denn da sein sollen. Und irgendwie frag ich mich jetzt in diesem ganzen Setup, diese Information fehlt ja eigentlich noch in beiden Systemen. Sowohl 1.5 Grad weiß das im Moment noch nicht, als auch EVCC weiß das nicht so richtig, was denn eigentlich der tatsächliche Bedarf ist.\n\nUnd deswegen bin ich mir noch so unsicher, wo jetzt am Ende, also wenn's wirklich nur in den Überschuss geht, dann versteh ich das noch so, ne. Dann ist okay, jetzt ist Sonne, dann machen wir jetzt 'n bisschen das das das Wasser warm. Aber wenn wir jetzt auch noch mit dynamischen Stromtarifen irgendwie gucken wollen, ne, im typischen Verlauf wird morgens 8 Uhr viel Warmwasser verbraucht. Zwischen 2 und 3 Uhr ist es günstiger, das warm zu machen als zwischen 7 und 8 Uhr. Warmwasser ist ja auch noch relativ einfach.\n\nAber dann auch noch zusätzlich die Heizung mit, wie warm ist es denn grade eigentlich im Haus und wie viel Heizleistung brauch ich? Und wie ist da die Kombination? Jetzt war jetzt gar keine konkrete Frage. Ich hab grade eigentlich nur, nee ich hab, wenn Du das Problem immer mal 'n Scherz sein,\n\nSpeaker 2: gehofft, Michael hat eine Antwort.\n\nSpeaker 1: Nee, also ich hab, also wir haben genau das, was Du grade sagst, da gibt's aktuell nicht nur Diskussionen, sondern in der Tat auch schon 'n Pierre, der jetzt seit 'n... Ah, der läuft schon seit 'n paar Monaten, aber da da wird wird fleißig dran gearbeitet, wo wir genau... Also bei... Wir haben jetzt... Wir haben jetzt...\n\nWir haben jetzt... Ich hab ja bei 'nem Optimisandes Modell gesprochen, ne? Wo wir gesagt haben, okay, ich weiß, das Auto soll, was auch immer. Am Wochenende will ich irgendwo hin und bis zum Wochenende soll's 100 Prozent haben. Was ist jetzt der smarteste Move, das Auto auf 100 Prozent zu kriegen von 'nem leeren Zustand?\n\nUnd wie kauf ich möglichst wenig Strom ein und was auch immer. Das also das ist total einfach, weil das ist irgendwie vorhersagbar, ne. Das Auto verliert irgendwie eigentlich keine keine Energie, dass es irgendwie geht immer nur in die eine Richtung, wenn da was reinmachst, dann wird das irgendwie voller. Beim Hausspeicher ist auch total vorhersehbar was passiert und das ist bei, genau, bei Wärme halt nicht so, ne. Da da packst Du was rein und duscht immer, dann ist das wieder weniger als vorher.\n\nUnd dann musst Du wieder mehr reinpacken. Und dann ist auf einmal superkalt morgen und dann ist auch wieder weniger als vorher und dann musst Du noch mehr reinpacken. Und da gibt es genau Ideen, jetzt auch unterschiedliche Modelle, die man dann auswählen kann, abhängig davon, ob ich 'n Heizstab oder eine Wärmepumpe oder einen anderen Wärmeerzeuger da hab, die genau das modellieren, wo wir jetzt wir tracken inzwischen nach Außentemperatur. Also man kann das mal an einen Außentemperatur Tarif in Anführungszeichen also hinzufügen, das heißt, ihn Wetterdienst anbinden und sagen, okay, wird wir im Viertelstundentakt quasi haben wir jetzt auch eine Vorhersage für Temperaturkurven. Das heißt, wir wissen, wir haben sone Annahme, das aktuell noch konstant, ne, was was so die Innenhaustemperatur ist.\n\nWir kennen die Historie und sehen, was haben wir eigentlich bei ähnlichen Temperaturen, Außentemperaturen eigentlich so eine Heizleistung gebraucht. Und genau, wir können nach vorne gucken und wissen, wird das morgen superkalt oder wird das morgen warm. Und abhängig davon, ob man jetzt Warmwasser macht, mal wirklich Räume beheizt, haben wir dann da 'n anderen 'n anderes Modell dahinter, was dann vorausbesagt, was das in Kilowattstunden bedeutet und wie viel wir dann vorsehen sollten, das dann zu haben, ne. Vorsehen im Sinne von, okay, dann lass uns den Speicher heute lieber nebenbei nachts günstig ausm Netz laden, als dass wir morgen Strom nachkaufen müssen, wenn's teuer ist oder irgendwie sowas, ne. Also in die Art Optimierung geht es.\n\nDas ist aktuell noch nix Gemerget, sondern nichts festes, aber da\n\nSpeaker 0: da\n\nSpeaker 1: gibt's genau. Okay und\n\nSpeaker 0: das basiert dann auf historischen Verbrauchsdaten oder kommen Temperaturdaten aus dem Haus auch in das System?\n\nSpeaker 1: Also die die Soll Innentemperatur ist in dem, also ich hab jetzt den den letzten Stand vom PR nicht im Kopf, aber ich glaube, da haben wir eine 1 fixe 20 Grad oder so was angenommen, dann die Differenz innen, außen zu modellieren. Und da sind auch jetzt keine Hausmodelle und Dämmung oder irgendwie so was drin. Mhm. Und auch nicht auf Raumebene, ne. Nicht, wo ich jetzt sehe, wie wie Du sagst, Du hast eine smarte Heizungssteuerung und wenn die jetzt sagt, das Untergeschoss soll irgendwie 3 Grad wärmer werden, das das ist darin jetzt erst mal nicht abgebildet.\n\nSpeaker 0: Mhm. Okay. Ja, spannend. Fabi.\n\nSpeaker 2: Dann was mich 'n bisschen interessieren würde jetzt weg von, vielleicht 'n bisschen weg vom Produkt hin zu, wie ihr das Ganze denn so entwickelt, wenn wir haben ja schon das häufige Mal auch Leute da gehabt, die mit Open Source Arbeit ihren Alltag bestreiten und daraus ihren ihren mich würd mal interessieren so, wie sieht dein Alltag aus, in diesem Dreierteam an diesem Open Source Projekt zu arbeiten? Also wie, kannst Du kannst Du uns voran hören? Wie sieht eine typische Woche für dich aus, wenn Du an sonem Produkt arbeitest? Gibt es sone typische Woche oder wie wie organisiert ihr euch? Was was wie läuft euer Alltag ab?\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, also ich also ich hab ja ich hab früher relativ früh gesagt, eigentlich möchte ich das in in Daylight quasi machen, ne. Also ich bin auch samstags und und sorg teilweise auch so das nachmittags, wenn ich das ergibt oder so was dann dadran und mach da Dinge. Ich probier aber in der Tat möglichst viel halt in die Woche, in die in die normalen Zeiten für mich quasi zu verlegen. Was für mich son bisschen, also oder anders, was bei sonem Open Source Projekt son bisschen asynchron ist, also die die meisten Leute sind dann doch irgendwie nach Feierabend dann unterwegs und machen da Dinge oder am Wochenende hat man dann Samstag Zeit, Dinge auszuprobieren. Das heißt, ich bin son bisschen vielleicht der der Outlyer bei uns, also die anderen beiden Core Team Leute haben, also die die können sich in den Randzeiten mehr mehr organisieren.\n\nDas ist aber ganz gut, also das ergänz sich da ganz gut. Das heißt, das ist also gibt dann so unterschiedlichen Zeiten, mal unterschiedliche Leute, die zuerst auf E-Shos reagieren zum Beispiel und da Dinge machen. Aber genau, also 'n Großteil der Arbeit ist in der Tat, also E-Shirts, die reinkommen, sich angucken. Inzwischen haben wir auch eBay Bot, der nicht nur sagt, ist gutes schlechtes ist, sondern wirklich auch teilweise PS erzeugt und und Dinge macht. Also da hat es Mega Hilfe, aber die Menge an Input, die komplett auch größer dementsprechend.\n\nDas heißt, das ist so auf allen Seiten, levelt sich so der der der Durchfluss hoch. Da muss man 'n bisschen gucken, wie wir damit umgehen. Genau, aber auch auch PRs angucken, ne. Leute, die jetzt schon irgendwas relativ weit gebaut haben, das mit der Temperatur zum Beispiel, dass also sich dann da mal wirklich 'n Vormittag nehmen, das passiert man mir dann relativ häufig, wo ich dann probiere, so mir son Block zu nehmen und zu sagen, okay, den den und den, da möchte ich mich heute drum kümmern, möglichst mal nicht in die E-Shirts reingucken, sondern mir 'n Test Setup bauen und das Szenario nachbauen, was der Nutzer da beschreibt und zu gucken, macht das Sinn, hab ich noch eine andere Idee? Und dann da Feedback zu geben oder zu ergänzen und dann auch, also wir haben relativ viel Sachen, die so in 'nem PR Status von so 80 Prozent geht irgendwie sind und die dann auch wirklich bis zum Ende mit Doku schreiben und was bedeutet das eigentlich?\n\nUnd haben wir Konflikt und so. Also das so bis zum Ende durchzudeklinieren, dass wir dass wir die auch wirklich in Release reinpacken und dass Leute die dann auch finden und benutzen können. Das ist 'n Großteil der der Arbeit. Und dann hab ich immer noch mal eine lange Liste von Dinge, die ich eigentlich, die wir eigentlich mal machen sollten quasi, ne? So mit, keine Ahnung, bessere Charts bauen und also ganz viele Sachen oder irgendwie die unsere Ladepunktübersicht noch mal überarbeiten, keine Verbraucher denen irgendwie mehr mehr Space zu geben, auch für Leute, die jetzt gar keine Wallbox haben.\n\nDas ist einfach so als Energie Dashboard quasi zur Verfügung zu stellen, weil ganz viel von dem, was man dafür braucht, haben wir eigentlich, ne. Nur dass wir 'n sehr starken Fokus auf Elektroauto, Überschussdaten und Wärme haben und jetzt so einfach nur Funksteckdosen, die ich zu Hause habe. Da könnte das auch, also da ist es jetzt auch schon 'n geiles Tool für, aber ist nicht quasi beziehungsweise man man merkt das ein bisschen, dass das so der der Nachgedanke ist und darauf zu optimieren. Das sind ja so Punkte, wo ich dann auch probiere, mir dafür explizit Zeit zu schaffen und zu sagen, okay, heute lässt Du das mal, guckst mal, dass Du da irgendwie 'n Stückchen weiterkommst. Aber ja, es ist also sehr selbstbestimmt, aber auch ein bisschen sehr fremdbestimmt, weil halt viel über die die GitHub Signale quasi, ne, also E-Shure, PRs, die reinkommen, ja, auch reinkommt.\n\nSpeaker 0: Und ihr zu dritt, wie organisiert ihr euch so? Ist es so, seid ihr wirklich, seid ihr komplett dezentral so? Trefft ihr euch regelmäßig oder?\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, wir haben wir hatten, das war ganz nett, wir haben Anfang des Jahres ein Nutzertreffen gehabt, User im Mai, glaube ich, ein 1 User Treffen im am Ruderverein in Osnabrück, die EVC 10 Nutzer sind und gesagt haben, mir falls ihr mal irgendwann Räumlichkeiten braucht, ne, wir hätten da was und dann haben wir gesagt, ja können wir uns vorstellen, dann kamen sie gleich mit Terminvorschläge die Ecke und dann ist das sehr schnell sehr konkret geworden, was aber sehr cool war. Das heißt, da sind dann irgendwie aus Deutschland und umliegenden Ländern irgendwie 50, 60 Leute zusammengekommen und haben wir darüber gesprochen. Da haben wir 3, deswegen erzähl ich das, uns dann auch zum ersten Mal in in Person quasi im gleichen Raum gesehen. Stimmt. Genau und sonst, also genau, Haupt Hauptkommunikation ist halt asynchron über die über Issues, über GitHub.\n\nDann haben wir dann auch irgendwie auch dann unsere Slackkanäle. Und wir probieren einmal die Woche, meistens schaffen wir's alle 2 Wochen, uns danach wirklich ein, 2 Stunden Zeit zu nehmen, dann die Dinge, die man nicht so gut asynchron machen kann, wo's dann wirklich, also wo man weiß, okay, wir haben da unterschiedliche Meinungen zu, wir müssen's jetzt auf was einigen. Das ist dann in Person, in 'nem in 'nem Telefonat oder was auch immer irgendwie da, ja. Ist einfach effektiver, das so zu machen. Das heißt, den den Kanal haben wir dann auch noch.\n\nSpeaker 2: Na krass, wirklich nur alle 1 bis 2 Wochen, das ist da son Kopf.\n\nSpeaker 1: Genau, wir haben kein Stand-up oder irgendwie sowas. Das also das ist auch, also da kommt dieses Zeitding wieder 'n bisschen mit rein mit und dann, wenn die einen können, können die anderen nicht und so.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja. Fabi, hast Du noch was? Also ich find, das\n\nSpeaker 2: Thema, was wir noch gar nicht aufgemacht hatten, Du hast es jetzt nur zwei-, dreimal genannt, aber es wird nicht zumindest noch für die die den die komplette Hardwarelandschaft von eurem von eurem EVCC noch fehlen. Du hast\n\nSpeaker 0: 1 schon mal gelernt, dass smarte Steckdosen so\n\nSpeaker 2: was jetzt irgendwie auch mit drin sind. Also ist es das ist ist das die einzige Querierte Kategorie, die wir jetzt noch nicht angesprochen haben oder gibt es, wenn\n\nSpeaker 0: Du jetzt auf smarte Steckdosen eingehst, gerne auch danach noch drauf\n\nSpeaker 1: Gerade mit der Liege ist an.\n\nSpeaker 0: Aha, das ist sone das wär sone Shell, das ist sone Shell Ja, ja. Die die grade noch nicht per Wheed Video zuschauen, hat er mich ja grade eine Shell Ja, ja.\n\nSpeaker 2: Genau. Die die grade noch nicht per Video zuschauen, hat er mich ja grad eine Shelly smarte Steckdose.\n\nSpeaker 1: Genau, ein Plug in. Ja, genau, also smarte Steckdosen, genau, haben wir auch im Programm, haben auch schon schon relativ früh kam kam der Bedarf, ne. Also auch teilweise, weil wenn man das Auto jetzt nicht mit Volllast lädt, ist das auch so die die hemdsärmeligste Elektriker, sagt dann son bisschen, na, kann man machen, aber sollte man nicht machen. Lösung, dann doch PV Überschuss zu laden, ohne dass man eine Wallbox hat. Da muss man einmal aufpassen, dass sind die Steckkontakte und was auch Wärmeproduktion.\n\nAber genau, also ursprünglich so Schaltsteckdosen, dann halt Dinge laden zu können, also man kann ja auch, keine Ahnung, seine Werkzeugakkus mit PV Überstoß warten, ne. Da ist nicht so viel Hub, also da passt nicht so viel rein, aber vom Prinzip geht das auch, ne. Also wenn ich irgendwie eine 1 'n Ding habe, was ich dann abhängig von der Sonne schalten will, kann ich das halt auch machen. Ich hab, keine Ahnung, meine Kaffeemaschine braucht zum Beispiel auch ziemlich viel Strom. Ich hab da auch eine sone Schaltsteckdose hinter.\n\nIch benutz sie aber, also man fand gedacht, ja, vielleicht ist geil, das mit mir auch über Schuss zu machen, aber ist Käse. Also die Kaffeemaschine muss dann laufen, wenn Du Kaffee haben willst. Nicht dann, wenn ich's euch scheint und morgens, was auch immer abhängig von der Jahreszeit ist die dann noch nicht da. Aber ich hab die da als Messsteckdosen hinter, ne. Ich hab ihn da beim Kühlschrank eine und das heißt also etwas, was wir ganz am Anfang nicht hatten, weil wir gesagt haben, ah, unser Fokus ist eigentlich erst mal nur Regeln und Steuern.\n\nWas wir jetzt seit einigen Releases machen, ist, dass wir halt auch Daten, historische Daten erfassen. Das heißt, gesagt, okay, wir wollen jetzt kein Grafana sein, also die den Ausleitungskanal in FluxiB und so hatten wir schon ganz am Start. Also dass man sagen kann, hier, alles das, was bei euch durchläuft, ich hätte gerne eine Persistenz vorne, ich hätt gern 'n Grafana Dashboard. Da gibt's auch Community Dashboards, die man sich irgendwie angucken kann. Das geht alles, aber sich 'n Grafana einrichten ist jetzt auch was, was...\n\nAlso das können kriegen wir hin oder haben wir auch irgendwie Bock drauf, ne, aber jetzt so normaler Endnutzer, vielleicht kriegt das bei meinen Eltern ein oder so was, die werden sich da keinen Grafana oder irgendwas aufsetzen, aber vielleicht interessiert sie das trotzdem, was die Kaffeemaschine gebraucht hat. Mhm. Genau. Das das machen wir jetzt seit einigen Releases, dass wir halt auch an allen Verbrauchern, an allen Wallboxen quasi oder auch auch bei Produktionssachen Speichereinspeisung halt die die Werte einfach mitschreiben und dann auch eine 1 Basis für historische Auswertung haben. Das heißt\n\nSpeaker 2: Aber wenn ich's noch mal verstehe, also das heißt auch auf dem Pi, den ihr habt, da läuft eine Influx DW drauf, da schreibt die Werte eine Nee,\n\nSpeaker 1: genau, das machen wir eben nicht. Genau. Genau. Also das war der Weg, wo man das immer schon selber bauen konnte und das auch mal unsere Empfehlung war. Wir haben eine Esculite Datenbank mit dabei und wir haben gesagt, wir wir machen nicht high volume data irgendwas und ob Du jetzt, keine Ahnung, von vorgestern Nacht noch mal gucken kannst, was zwischen 14 Uhr 34 und 14 Uhr, das passt nicht von der Uhrzeit.\n\nWas was zwischen 0 Uhr 30 und 0 Uhr 31 passiert ist, das ist nicht unser Anspruch, sondern wir haben gesagt, wenn wir im Viertelstundentakt Energiewerte speichern, das ist son bisschen der der Kern, dann können wir das auch sehr lowtech machen. Dann können wir einfach in die in die Esculite Daten machen, einfach die die Einträge uns reinschreiben und dann haben wir da, keine Ahnung, da kannst Du einige Jahre an an normale Haushaltsdaten quasi rein persistieren, bevor Du irgendeinen Bedarf für sone ja, hoch performantere aggregierende Datenbackend Geschichte hast und wir sind dann in 'nem technisch sehr einfachen Bereich unterwegs, ne? Genau, das das machen wir inzwischen. Das heißt, wir haben noch nicht viele Dashboards, sondern nicht viele Auswertungen, aber man kann sich die Zeit leisten quasi auf Tages-, Monats- und Jahressicht heute schon angucken, jetzt für meine Kaffeemaschine oder irgendwas, was ich\n\nSpeaker 0: an die Steckdose angesprochen hab. Für meine PV Anlage oder für meine beiden PV Anlagen kann ich\n\nSpeaker 1: dann irgendwie gucken, wo kommen mehr, wo kommen weniger an bestimmten Tagen. Genau und da haben wir uns erst mal auf das Datenerfassen und Basisvisualisieren konzentriert, aber ist sicher 'n Bereich, den wir, also nee, das ist ein Bereich, der auf meiner Liste steht, den wir ausbauen müssten und wollen, daraus dann auch wirklich schöne Charts zu bauen, ne, dass man wirklich sagen kann, hier von meinen Haushaltsverbrauchern war diesen Monat die Waschmaschine vor dem Kühlschrank oder nicht oder wie auch immer. Solche Sachen daraus dann auch wirklich zu visualisieren.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, cool. Und vielleicht, weil Du's vorhin noch\n\nSpeaker 2: mal angesprochen hast, wie dann eine neue Kategorie aufgemacht mit, wie AI enabled seid ihr denn eigentlich unterwegs? Dass man, ihr habt einen einen einen AI Agent, der zumindest mal die die Issues bewertet, theoretisch\n\nSpeaker 0: auch 'n Pool request theoretisch auch mitarbeitet,\n\nSpeaker 2: aber wie viel wie viel Code bei EVCC wird von AI geschrieben und wie viel von Hand?\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, von Hand? Mein Gott. Und das ist auch Gute Frage. Die Zahl geht auf jeden Fall hart gegen 0, würd ich sagen. Also das ist also etwas, was ich jetzt über das letzte Jahr, letzte halbe Jahr vor allem, also bei bei vielen Sohn ist seit Anfang des Jahres, hat man das Gefühl, okay, ich kann das noch per Hand schreiben, aber das was der Pott macht.\n\nAlso selten, dass die Qualität schlechter ist wie das, was ich selber in der Lage wäre zu produzieren. Genau, also vor 'nem Jahr oder so war das so, dass wir also vermehrt Po request gekriegt haben, wo wir das Gefühl hatten, okay, da hat jetzt jemand, keine Ahnung, so sloppy Style PR gemacht und da haben wir relativ genervt davon, also auch weil die Qualität relativ so mehr war und in der Contributeing m b gibt's auch irgendwie Regeln, was was so Anforderungen sind, die man irgendwie mitbringen muss, jetzt bei uns son PR zu machen oder wann wir Dinge auch vielleicht auch kommentarlos oder mit sonem guck dir das mal bitte an Kommentar zu machen. Aber das hat sich in den letzten Monaten, Wochen total, ja, Monaten total geändert, ne. Also dass die dass die Qualität, die wir da kriegen, echt total hoch ist. Ich glaube, wir selbst im Core Team, also natürlich, also Großteil des Codes haben wir selber geschrieben, auch mit Hand und ihr könnt auch selber lesen.\n\nGenau, aber das, also das, was jetzt neu dazukommt, das ändert sich, das ist einfach viel Ausgabe von Cloud Code quasi. Es ist wird wahrscheinlich bei bei euch und beiden in anderen Projekten ähnlich sein, dass man das noch aus historischen Gründen quasi per Hand machen könnte, aber muss man schon total Bock drauf haben bin. Wenn man seine Zeit da rein investieren will, ja. Genau, das mit den PR Pods. Also was wir schon lange, schon seit 2 oder 3 Jahren hatten, ist das für son, was hatten wir denn werken?\n\nSone Open Source Tier von Sorcery AI nannte sich das. Das ist son oder nennt sich das, ist immer noch da. Der macht sone Ersteinschätzung von PRs. Das heißt, jemand stellt PR und dann läuft son Sorcery Bot los und der guckt sich den PR an und gibt dann da irgendwie son sone Einschätzung zu mit, ah, das kannst Du mal irgendwie machen und das ist aber irgendwie nicht in Laien mit dem, was er sonst in der Coop Base ist. Das war total, war mir eher skeptisch, war total super, wollt man dann auch nicht wieder abgeben.\n\nUnd genau, das, was ich eben erzählt hab, ist das ja jetzt bei Issues. Da läuft wirklich 'n Cloudcode dann auch los und guckt sich, also vergleicht, liest Logfiles, guckt sich Screenshots an und guckt, ob das plausibel ist, ob's 'n Anwenderfehler ist, ob's mit der Doku matcht oder nicht. Und gibt wirklich Informationen, die dann auch superhilfreich sind, wo wir dann als Maainer teilweise nur sagen mit, ja, das, was da oben geschrieben ist, so ist das, ne. Das ist 'n Bug, da müssen wir uns drum kümmern. Beziehungsweise wenn sich der der Board an der Stelle sicher ist, dann also man sieht dann, dass das das in Anführungszeichen steht dann teilweise mit drin, so im Sinne von, ich bin mir ziemlich sicher, ich mach schon mal 'n PR auch ohne die Maainer gefragt zu haben.\n\nUnd bei vielen Sachen ist es ein Ja, vielleicht eher eine Design Decision. Ich warte mal auf Feedback von dem Maainer, bevor ich jetzt 'n PR stelle zum Beispiel, ne. War jetzt die Lösung schon im Kopf in Anführungszeichen. Das ist das schon krass, wie das auch die Arbeit natürlich mit den Ischüssen so verändert.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja. Ja, cool. Dennis, ich bin so\n\nSpeaker 2: weit durch. Was ist bei dir? Wie sieht's aus?\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, ich glaube, konkrete Fragen habe ich auch nicht mehr. Ich wollte noch mal drauf eingehen, weil ihr es auf der Webseite stehen habt und weil ich's auch so empfinde. Da steht der der Satz, wir lieben gute Benutzeroberflächen und dass da einfach, glaub ich, viel Wert draufgelegt wurde. Das ist 'n sehr simples und sehr hübsches Interface ist, was einfach zu verstehen ist, einfach so von der U X ja, Spaß macht zu benutzen und von daher ich, ja, ich nutze die App sehr gerne. Ich muss dazu sagen, aber das ist immer das Ding in meinem alles, was mit meiner Home Automatisierung so zu tun hat.\n\nZu oft funktioniert es nicht, das liegt dann aber nicht an die VCC, sondern irgendwie, ach meine Wallbox ist so Ding, die ist nur im WLAN, weil ich dann auch kein Kabel verlegt habe. Jedes Mal, wenn da irgendwie 'n Reset ist oder so was, verbindet die sich nicht neu, dann ist die wieder nicht da. Also da gibt's einfach so Kleinigkeiten, die das noch nicht perfekt machen bei mir, aber eher, dass dass die Gegebenheiten außen rum sind.\n\nSpeaker 2: Du weißt, Du, sorry, ich hab nämlich vorhin gedacht, Du hast doch am Anfang gesagt, Du nutzt EVACC, aber jetzt nimmst Du auch Heartbeat AI, weißt Du dann? Bist Du einfach dein Tech Herz, dass Du verschiedene Sachen ausprobieren willst oder was?\n\nSpeaker 0: Na ja, Hard Beat Beat Beat Beat, ganz ehrlich, muss ich sagen, ich weiß auch gar nicht, was ist am Ende, also der der Marketinggespräch ist ja so, ne, wir optimieren jetzt alles. Ich hab jetzt die App von denen schon länger von 1.5 Grad und ich kann da jetzt auch mal 1, ne. Ich seh da jetzt irgendwie, was die PV Anlage grade macht. Ich seh, was die Wärmepumpe grade verbraucht, wie die Batterie gespeichert ist und scheint so sehr die Sonne? Ja.\n\nUnd dass ich grade 5.5 Kilowatt einspeise. Und dann gibt's son Heartbeat Tab, aber ich seh noch nicht, was dann wirklich optimiert wird. Und ich, vielleicht kommt das jetzt, weil ich das wie gesagt, also am ersten Oktober wird noch mal irgendwas aktiviert, aber es ist für mich noch son bisschen zwischen Marketing und ich weiß nicht genau, was passiert. Von daher Okay. Genau, da sind die ganzen Sachen auch irgendwie angeschlossen und ich warte jetzt mal ab und gucke...\n\nAlso meine Hoffnung wäre so, da steht drin, hey, das war jetzt super smart. Ich hab heute Nacht das Haus schon mal aufgewärmt, weil morgen wird's wieder kalt so und das ist gut und es hat irgendwie 'n Mehrwert und sich das\n\nSpeaker 2: gut an. Ja. Also wir müssen eigentlich noch mal eine Recap Folge machen. Jetzt wissen wir jetzt wissen wir, was Hape Air Eis, jetzt kennen wir EVCC und Du bist unsere Testbienchen für beide Dinge und kannst uns noch mal sagen, was der Unterschied ist.\n\nSpeaker 1: Find ich gut, finde ich interessant, wenn ich kein dabei. Ja,\n\nSpeaker 0: sehr gut, alles klar. Dann machen wir vielleicht immer\n\nSpeaker 2: noch mal son son 7 Minuten Check\n\nSpeaker 0: in mit Michael und Dennis. Ja, sehr gerne. Sehr gerne.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, ansonsten, Michael, ist, wir hören eigentlich immer meistens bei son Deep Doppels damit auf zu fragen, gibt's denn irgendwas, was wir aus deiner Sicht nicht gefragt haben, über über was\n\nSpeaker 0: Du aber gerne gesprochen hättest bei E-Pot c-C? Irgendwas, wo\n\nSpeaker 2: Du denkst, Mann, der Fabi oder Dennis, warum sind die Frage denn nicht gestellt?\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, gute Frage. Also wir haben, kleinen die offensichtlichen Funktionsbereiche, glaub ich, alle abgegrast. Wenn ich mir jetzt grade im im Kopf die Doku vorstelle, auf was wir da gegliedert und wie wir das aufgebaut haben. Nee, ich glaube, passt.\n\nSpeaker 0: Was für mich neu war, ich wusste nicht, dass es eine native App gibt. Ah.\n\nSpeaker 1: Hast Du's grade gelernt oder hast Du's jetzt von...\n\nSpeaker 0: Nee, nee, also Du hast es ja eben erzählt. Ja, ja, ja. Das das das war so. Bei mir läuft es innerhalb von Home Assistant tatsächlich grundsätzlich, aber ja, da\n\nSpeaker 1: Genau, das mit der mit der App kam, kann ich ganz kurz den Background zu geben, es gab ich weiß nicht, wie wie ihr das mitgekriegt habt, vor ein, 2, ja vor 2, 3 Jahren oder so was, hat Apple jemanden angekündigt, sie machen ihr ihr App to Homescreen Feature, machen sie in Europa tot, weil sie irgendwie EU Auflagen machen sollten und das wollten\n\nSpeaker 0: sie nicht.\n\nSpeaker 1: Dann haben sie gesagt, dann machen wir lieber halt die Funktion weg, als dass wir jetzt anderen Browsern das auch ermöglichen, da irgendwie son Homescreen progressive App Ding zu machen. Und das war bei uns der Punkt, weil ganz viele Leute einfach EVCC auf Homescreen installieren, das war unser empfohlenes Ding. Ja. Und genau, genau, ganz viele Leute benutzen das so und das war bei uns dann son, okay, wenn das wegfällt, dann ist das irgendwie kacke, ne. Dann muss ich's 'n Browser aufmachen, da hab ich auch immer die Browserzeile, verlinke ich irgendwie Platz.\n\nUnd das war bei uns der Punkt, wo wir gesagt haben, komm, lass uns mal überlegen, was eine App bedeutet. Fokus war immer noch, dass wir möglichst viel des User Tafaces nicht doppelt bauen. Das heißt, de facto ist das, wenn das erst mal eingerichtet ist, 'n Fullscreen Browser, wo ich zwischen unterschiedlichen Instanzen hin- und herwechseln kann. Wir haben inzwischen auch son Remote Access Server von Leuten, die sich jetzt irgendwie kein VPN oder sowas anmelden oder reinrichten können. Kannst Du bei uns jetzt, wenn Du Sponsor bist, weil wir da 'n bisschen Cloud Infrastruktur betreiben, kannst Du 'n Haken setzen, kriegst eine Subdomain und kannst dir den internationalen Passwort anlegen, die lokal dann irgendwie gehalten und gecheckt werden und kannst dir dann einfach in der App abscannen und dann hast Du da irgendwie die Verbindung aufgebaut.\n\nGenau. Plus, was jetzt Neues, ich weiß nicht, ob Du iOS oder Android hast, das mit den Widgets kommt bei Android jetzt im nächsten Release. Bei iOS gibt's da schon seit 1 2 Releases, aber das sind da natürlich wirklich die die Mehrwerte, die Du dann hast, ne. Push Nachricht steht auf der Liste, haben wir aktuell auch noch nicht, aber könnte auch noch mal spannend sein, ne. Gerade mit irgendwie Optimizer hat jetzt irgendwas umentschieden oder so was, könnte man wär wär 'n Anlass, wo man sagen könnte, hier informieren wir 'n Nutzer mal drüber über\n\nSpeaker 0: Deine Wallbox ist wieder offline.\n\nSpeaker 1: Zum Beispiel der Ladeplan hat nicht so funktioniert, was Auto zu spät angesteckt wurde, was auch immer. Irgendwelche Dinge, die man vielleicht mit mitkriegen möchte, ja.\n\nSpeaker 0: Okay. Sehr cool. Ja, cool. Vielen Dank. Dann haben wir natürlich wie in jedem Deep Dive auch heute noch unsere.\n\nDas war Fabis Einsatz für die Musik. Es ist Fabis Einsatz. So, Michael hatte im Vorgespräch der Folge erzählt, dass er extra noch auf unserer Webseite war und sich durch die Historie scrollt hat, nicht einen zu nehmen, der schon mal da war. Das mache ich grade auch parallel noch mal, wenn ich\n\nSpeaker 2: das Du kannst aber übrigens die Suche dazu benutzen. Du kannst einfach in der Suche oben eingeben. Du findest auch Pixob the day, ne? Ja,\n\nSpeaker 0: jetzt grad öffne, ich probier aber gar nicht, aber ich mach das parallel. Fabi, fang Du doch mal an, während ich das Geld noch versuche. Ja, ich hab 'n Pick of\n\nSpeaker 2: the day mitgebracht, einen Tool, was ich noch gar nicht so lang im Einsatz hat, ich hab's eigentlich aus einem Use Case heraus gern noch mal ausprobiert. Also vielleicht, wir hatten grade ja in der Folge uns auch drüber unterhalten, so AI Agents und dass man eigentlich gar keinen Code mehr selbst schreibt. Ich glaub, das ist für niemanden hin neu. Aber mein bisheriges GoTo\n\nSpeaker 0: Tool,\n\nSpeaker 2: mich durch meine verschiedenen Projekte zu navigieren und die verschiedenen Agent Harness zu benutzen, ist eigentlich und es ist aber so, dass wir, was mir aktuell an Kontaktor noch son bisschen fehlt, ist der Move hinzu, ich würd gern mit meinem Handy auch teilweise einfach, wenn ich remote bin, an den verschiedenen Features irgendwie weiterarbeiten. Klar, ich kann irgendwie die Codex App nutzen, ich dann auch Cloud Code nutzen, die irgendwelche remote Funktionen haben, aber irgendwie ist meine Realität dann doch meistens so, dass ich viel am Mac bin und irgendwie Kontakter von der UI her eigentlich sehr viel ansprechender finde und irgendwie meine verschiedenen parallelen Workstreams organisieren. Und ein Tool, das ähnlich wie verspricht, wie Conductor Open Source ist und dazu auch eine Mobile App anbietet, mit der ich das dann sozusagen Siemensesly weitermachen kann, ist Paseo. Paseo Punkt s h, im Grunde genommen brauche ich gar nicht viel dazu sagen, außer dass es Conductor plus iPhone App ist, was bei Conductor ja bisher mit der mit der iOS App bisher nur im also bald verfügbar genannt wird und auch in dem 30 Dollar pro Monat Planung mit drin ist. Bei Phaseo ist das Ganze direkt mit drin.\n\nIch probier's grad son bisschen aus. Ich find's erst mal ganz cool und würd's euch vielleicht mal ans Herzding auch auszuprobieren, wenn es ein Use Case ist, der euch interessiert und nicht, dass ihr das Ganze nicht über Cloud oder Codex beziehungsweise die Chat GPT App machen wollt. Dennis, hast Du gecheckt?\n\nSpeaker 0: Ich hab irgendwie das Gefühl, dass... Also hast Du dich grade hast\n\nSpeaker 2: Du dich grade gekratzt, weil Du dachtest, oh, ist das jetzt 'n guter vom Fabi oder weil Du weil Du immer noch bei deinem Pick bist und gar nicht zugehört hast, was ich grade erzählt hab? Doch, weil es hätte auch so ein Kratzen sein können, so,\n\nSpeaker 0: oh ja, war das\n\nSpeaker 2: jetzt gut, was der Fabi erzählt hat oder?\n\nSpeaker 0: Pareo hört sich fantastisch an. Ja, toll, danke.\n\nSpeaker 2: Das diese diese Affirmation hab ich gebraucht. Hat mir bestimmt gefehlt, nachdem ich's grade erzählt hab.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja. Und werde ich mir sofort verzerrt. Klasse.\n\nSpeaker 1: Also brauchst Du noch kurz?\n\nSpeaker 2: Ist der Michael erst dran oder weißt Du, ob Du 'n Nein, ich\n\nSpeaker 0: hab's, ich konnt das nicht noch mal, ich konnt das nicht verifizieren parallel, weil also Fahrradfahren hast Du schon mal in Polen, falls es das ist. Ich wollte schlafen nehmen heute. Nein, passend zur Folge einen dynamischen Stromtarif. So. Nicht unbedingt, weil es jetzt irgendwie wirtschaftlich wirtschaftlich auf jeden Fall sinnvoll ist, aber da wollte ich nach Tipper nachgucken, weil ich hab ja mal Tipper nach Hause.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, hast Du neunzehnter vierter, hast Du die Suche benutzt? Ich hab nur einmal eingegeben. Neunzehnter vierter 2040.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ich hab's Suche nicht genutzt, weil mein Internet, mein, ich hatte grade kein Internet auf meinem Handy.\n\nSpeaker 2: Egal, ist jetzt neunzehnter vierter 24, das heißt, ist schon ein paar Jährchen her, dass... Ich mein, ob Du Lust in Polen hast?\n\nSpeaker 0: Egal, machen wir einfach noch mal. So. Ja. Uns muss ja nicht Timber sein. Es gibt auch, was sind die großen anderen?\n\nDas heißt Michael wahrscheinlich\n\nSpeaker 1: Hokus.\n\nSpeaker 0: Hokus. Hokus und ja gut, 1.5 Grad tatsächlich jetzt auch.\n\nSpeaker 1: Avatar, ich weiß nicht, ob die nur in Österreich unterwegs sind, ob die auch Deutschland was machen inzwischen.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja. Was ich daran eigentlich spannend finde und deswegen so die Empfehlung, weil man sich 'n bisschen mehr damit auseinandersetzt, so, ne, was ich halt halt nicht hatte. Also zum einen hast Du einfach, das fand ich mit Tipp immer ganz cool, die haben sone wöchentliche Vorhersage, wo die so sagen, hey, in der Kalenderwoche wird wahrscheinlich das und das so grundsätzlich passieren. Der Wind wird irgendwie Ende der Woche schwächer, deswegen statt in Deutschland üblichen 25 Gigawatt laufen da nur 7 drüber und gleichzeitig ist aber die PV Anlage oder die die Sonnenenergie hoch. Also einfach so Einblicke in warum kostet Strom wann wie viel, lässt einfach son bisschen aktiver darüber nachdenken.\n\nUnd allein den Effekt fand ich schon ganz schön bei mir. Und Fabi, bevor Du wiederfragst, 30 Cent. Ich weiß nicht, was die Frage zu der Antwort 30 Cent ist. Das ist dynamisch. Wie kannst Du denn eine Zahl sagen?\n\nJa, weil Du irgendwann mal gesagt hast, ja, was weiß das denn am Ende? Was zahlst Du denn jetzt dafür? Sattomalen konkreten Wert ungefähr bei mir die 30 Cent. Okay. Damit hast Du Nee,\n\nSpeaker 2: aber war kein Verkaufsargument für mich.\n\nSpeaker 1: Jetzt überleg ich grad, ob ich noch 2 Spontanpicks mache, aber ich mach erst mal einen, vielleicht kann ich die anderen beiden dann nachher einfach noch mal zu Sehr gerne. Gerne. Wie wie ich das dieses, was Du grade beschrieben hast, das Gefühl quasi kriege. Okay. Ja, genau.\n\nAber also genau. Das, was ich mir rausgesucht hab, ist etwas, was ich, also auch Selfhosting, hab ich mir vor 'nem halben Jahr oder so, bin ich darauf aufmerksam gemacht worden. Ich weiß gar nicht mehr genau, über welchen Podcast das war, aber ein Projekt, das dich Birdnet go nennt. Das ist son bisschen Local machine learning oder Influence, wie auch immer. Das heißt, man hat irgendwie 'n raspberry oder 'n ähnliches Singleboard Computerding.\n\nMan steckt da 'n Mikrofon dran, man packt da die Software drauf Und dann ist das in sonem Modus und dann läuft da einen AI Modell oder ich hab jetzt 2 unterschiedliche Modelle da drauf, 1 von Google und 1 von 'ner irgendwie Cornell University, die das das kanonische Modell quasi bauen, die Vogelerkennung machen. Das heißt, ich kann sehen, wie viel Blaumeisen in den letzten 15 Minuten hier ein Geräusch abgegeben haben. Und dieses Birdnet Go ist 'n total cooles Projekt, wo jemand halt son Dashboard, sone Tabelle, wo ich dann irgendwie sehen kann, so diese Vögel waren heute da und dann kann ich's auf Stundenraster quasi sehen. Okay, morgens ist die Amsel und abends ist die Amsel. Und also Leute, die sich mit Vögel auskennen, wissen, ja, das ist halt so bei diesen Amsel und die Vögel sind morgens und abends, aber in der Mitte nicht.\n\nUnd also Dinge, die ich mir jetzt son bisschen revers aus Daten erschließe, wo ich das Gefühl hab, okay Leute, die sich mit Vögeln beschäftigen, die die die wissen das, für die ist das nix Neues, ne und bei unter welchen Bedingungen abends Grillen unterwegs sind unter welchen Bedingungen nicht. Und das ist für mich ganz nett, weil ich hab jetzt wirklich sone son Datenpool, sone Datenbasis. Ich hab auch scheinbar son son Display im Wohnbereich. Immer wenn ein neuer Vogel auftaucht, dann steht da der Name des neuen Vogels groß oben drauf und dann weiß man jetzt, was auch immer, das ist ein irgendeine bestimmte Eulenart heute Nacht irgendwie zweimal gehört wurde oder so was und kann kann sich das dann angucken. Das ist genau, es ist optisch ganz schön aufgemacht.\n\nDas nimmt erst mal Audio auf. Man kann sich auch Audioschnipsel anhören. Man kann da auch, ich hab das relativ runterkonfiguriert, dass der jetzt nicht irgendwie die Gartenkonversation der letzten 3 Jahre irgendwie aufm Rust Barry drauf habe, sondern das 'n wirklich Nutzen erkennen und Daten persistieren im Sinne von welchen Vogel hast Du gesehen da benutze, aber genau. Also wenn man Kann man so die Garten hat und Vögel hat, sollte\n\nSpeaker 2: man auch gucken. Außer die im Kopf.\n\nSpeaker 0: Kannst Du mittlerweile an also an dem Gezwitscher auch Vögel erkennen? Weil ich hatte nämlich mal, letztens war ich auf 'nem Junggesan Abschied\n\nSpeaker 2: und dann zum selben Tag gab's das Bird Race vom NABU, wo man einen Tag lang darauf achten muss sozusagen oder wie wie wer hört mehr verschiedene Vögel an einem Tag? Und na gut, ich sag mal so, man könnte aber sagen, man hat 20 gehört, weil es hat natürlich niemand nachgeprüft so, aber dann bin ich mit, war ich auch mit Jungs unterwegs, die Ahnung hatten, wie sich Vögel anhören. Ich hätte keinen einzigen erkennt. Specht würde ich vielleicht anhand des Tockungs erkennen, aber auf jeden Fall nicht anhand des Geräusches gehabt. Ich könnt keinen einzigen Vogel erkennen so.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja. Bist Du dann besser geworden? Ich wär in deinem Camp. Ja, ja, nee, nee. Also dieses, der Computer macht das für mich und\n\nSpeaker 0: ich kann mir das angucken. Ich kann daraus meine eigenen, was auch immer, Schlüsse daraus ableiten.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ich ich näher mich von der Seite. Vielleicht, wenn ich das leider genug laufen lasse, vielleicht kann ich dann irgendwann erkennen, okay, das ist jetzt wirklich die Amsel, weil die Wahrscheinlichkeit, ich weiß, dass die Wahrscheinlichkeit hoch ist, weil ich seh das ja in den Daten, aber soweit bin ich auch nicht.\n\nSpeaker 2: Das heißt, Du hörst dir nicht die einzelnen Sound Schnipsel dann an und denkst\n\nSpeaker 1: Doch, ja doch, ab und dann schon. Ja, ab und dann guckt man mal, keine Ahnung, also wenn jetzt irgendwie eine seltene Eule aufgetaucht ist, dann will man schon hören, wie wie was wie macht die denn eigentlich? Und genau, was ich heute, ich hab das eben schon im im Vorgespräch gesagt, hier nebenan wird grad ein größere Bauarbeiten, der ist son Bagger, der auf dem Nachbargrundstück unterwegs ist. Ich hab mir eben noch mal die die Loks von diesem Bird Dad angeguckt. Also es die UI zeigt nur Vögel an.\n\nIm Lok stehen auch Dinge drin wie Motorengeräusch oder Elektrogerät. Oh, geil. Das heißt, er erkennt scheinbar auch noch, also diese Modelle erkennen noch mehr Dinge als nur Vögel, aber die Auswertung ist erst mal auf 'ner Vogelebene. Aber lustig.\n\nSpeaker 0: Aber die ist, also einfach, das hat schon sone Qualität, wo man einfach sagen kann, so jeder Vogel, der da war, wird eigentlich erkannt, oder? Wahrscheinlich.\n\nSpeaker 1: Du kann, genau, man kann das Threshholds ansetzen und sagen, okay, also Du kannst auch Regionen eingeben. Das heißt, keine Ahnung, jetzt der australische Kiwi oder so. Selbst wenn Du glaubst, den grade erkannt zu haben, Wahrscheinlichkeit ist wirklich gering, dass Du den, also man kann das noch 'n bisschen eingrenzen, dass da wenig falz Positives passieren und man kann auch mit den Erkennungsraten Threshholds noch mal 'n bisschen experimentieren. Also Default Set ist, glaub ich, schon ganz gut. Ich hab da am Anfang 'n bisschen hoch und runtergedreht.\n\nDas heißt, man kann so was sagen wie, Du musst mindestens einmal so 95 Prozent sein, dass das wirklich dieser Vogel ist. Und dann sind wir bei den weiteren Erkennung, die dann in den nächsten 10 Minuten folgen, nicht immer so streng damit oder so, ne, da nicht, genau, die Daten da son bisschen sauber zu halten. Aber genau, also ich hab ja jetzt, also ich hab da nicht viel dran konfiguriert.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ich hab aber auch\n\nSpeaker 1: schon gespielt an den Parametern, geguckt, was kann der kleine Prozessor von dem Singleboard Computer ab? Also wie wie wie wie tolle parallel lässt man das da laufen? Aber genau, das ist, bin ich ganz zufrieden. Da hab ich einmal eingerichtet und jetzt, also auch die Family, macht das immer mal wieder auf und guckt so, was war denn heute oder im Monat zurück oder so.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, ist auf jeden Fall was für meine Eltern. Ist 'n gutes Weihnachtsgeschenk. Sehr gut. Die anderen darfst auch noch loswerden.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ach so, ja genau. Du hattest Du hattest gesagt oder hier ihr hattet drüber gesprochen, hier man hat so Energiepreis und Strompreis im Blick, ne. Ich hab, es gibt eine 1 iOS App, ich weiß nicht ob Kino für iOS, ich benutze die auf iOS, die heißt Strompreis. Da kannst Du, also guckst dir einfach den, es die macht die, also ich benutze die nur über 'n Widget. Da hast Du 'n iOS Widget, das packst Du den irgendwie auf dem Homeschooling und siehst so so in in Viertelstundentakt, wie der Strompreis an der Börse halt heute und morgen ist, also soweit, wie das halt bekannt ist.\n\nIch kann auch später noch mal hin raussuchen. Das hab ich einfach immer da. Also ich hab aktuell gar keinen dynamische Strompreise. Ich hab son son Oktopus Energie Preis, wo ich Hoch- und Tiefphasen habe, Konstante. Aber ich mich interessiert das trotzdem.\n\nAlso ich will trotzdem wissen, ist jetzt grade irgendwie Alarm oder ist grade super günstig oder so. Und das das hab ich einfach so ambient da drauf und dann guckt man da so rein und hat dann die Infos, was kostet das grade? Und das andere ist. Das ist eine, ich weiß gar nicht genau, was da die Datenbasis ist. Die geben dir sone große Kachel.\n\nVielleicht kann ich das hier in die Kamera halten? Ja, ich halt das mal hier in die Kamera. Ups.\n\nSpeaker 0: Genau, da ist einfach\n\nSpeaker 1: eine große Kachel, die ist ist wie grün oder rot oder was auch immer. Und da steht eine Prozentzahl drauf und dann seh ich, wie viel Prozent Erneuerbare quasi aktuell unterwegs sind in, ich bin mir gar nicht ganz sicher, ob das auf Deutschfleck ermittelt ist oder ob ich da eine Postleitzahl eingegeben hab. Egal, aber also auch das macht, dass man son bisschen Gefühl dafür kriegt. Genau, das hier unten seht ihr das, ne? Das ist das ist das mit den Strompreisen.\n\nUnd das da oben ist, die sind die Widgets von EVCC. Die Podcasthörer ärgern sich jetzt grade, es tut mir leid. Das stimmt. Genau.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja. Cool. Greenshar. Mach ich auch mal. Schreib ich mir auch mal an.\n\nDafür hab ich nämlich noch kein Gefühl. Ja. Gestern Abend zum Beispiel ist ja schon mal wieder völlig durchgedreht. Da waren's, glaub ich, 110 Cent oder so Krass. In den Abendstunden.\n\nJa.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ein Hoch auf die dynamische Stromtarife.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja. Großer Fan der Fabi. Michael, vielen vielen Dank. Fand ich sehr cool. War son bisschen anderen Einblick, großes Open Source Projekt, das ihr da am Laufen habt.\n\nMega cool, dass Du dich jetzt so, äh, auch mehr und mehr Vollzeit darum kümmern kannst. Und ja, schön, dass Du die Zeit gefunden hast.\n\nSpeaker 1: Danke schön.\n\nSpeaker 0: Alles Gute euch.\n\nSpeaker 1: Bis dann auch. Alles gut. Tschau. Tschau. Tschau.",[41610,41623,41628,41641,41652,41657,41661,41673,41679,41684,41696,41703,41711,41724,41737,41750,41754,41763,41775,41780,41785,41796,41809,41822,41835,41848,41855,41860,41865,41874,41878,41891,41903,41914,41921,41925,41930,41935,41940,41953,41961,41966,41970,41975,41980,41993,42005,42016,42021,42030,42038,42050,42063,42076,42080,42084,42096,42109,42121,42133,42146,42153,42163,42169,42175,42181,42187,42197,42208,42219,42232,42245,42257,42266,42271,42276,42281,42285,42291,42303,42316,42320,42332,42342,42355,42367,42371,42375,42386,42395,42404,42417,42429,42439,42445,42456,42466,42479,42491,42499,42503,42516,42522,42528,42540,42547,42551,42557,42562,42566,42572,42576,42587,42597,42601,42611,42623,42633,42638,42646,42652,42656,42667,42680,42692,42705,42717,42729,42733,42739,42748,42760,42772,42785,42792,42795,42802,42807,42816,42828,42841,42848,42855,42859,42867,42878,42889,42895,42902,42908,42913,42917,42929,42940,42953,42960,42965,42969,42973,42977,42981,42985,42989,43002,43015,43027,43038,43042,43053,43064,43076,43089,43102,43106,43109,43115,43119,43131,43138,43150,43163,43175,43188,43201,43214,43222,43234,43247,43251,43257,43264,43269,43273,43280,43284,43288,43294,43299,43311,43323,43336,43349,43359,43363,43373,43383,43390,43399,43405,43411,43415,43419,43431,43443,43455,43467,43480,43490,43496,43504,43516,43524,43531,43542,43554,43560,43569,43574,43580,43584,43592,43597,43603,43607,43617,43622,43626,43636,43640,43644,43655,43668,43679,43683,43689,43700,43710,43719,43727,43737,43740,43753,43762,43768,43775,43779,43783,43789,43795,43801,43805,43809,43821,43829,43833,43839,43850,43854,43857,43862,43866,43878,43890,43902,43906,43917,43929,43941,43954,43965,43971,43977,43989,44001,44007,44013,44017,44029,44039,44044,44056,44064,44068,44078,44088,44100,44112,44124,44131,44135,44147,44156,44165,44176,44179,44183,44194,44200,44204,44208],{"sentences":41611,"speaker":179,"num_words":41622,"start":179,"end":389},[41612,41614,41616,41618,41620],{"text":41613,"start":179,"end":217},"Hallo und herzlich willkommen zu einem neuen Programmierbar DeepDive.",{"text":41615,"start":222,"end":237},"Wir sprechen heute über EWCC.",{"text":41617,"start":242,"end":289},"Ich bin Dennis Becker und zusammen mit mir im Studio der Fabi Fink, hallo.",{"text":41619,"start":293,"end":383},"Und über dieses Toolprodukt zu sprechen, haben wir uns keinen anderen eingeladen als denjenigen, der das Ganze entwickelt und betreibt und das ist Michael Gers.",{"text":41621,"start":383,"end":389},"Hallo Michael.",55,{"sentences":41624,"speaker":158,"num_words":41627,"start":393,"end":414},[41625],{"text":41626,"start":393,"end":414},"Hallo, vielen Dank für die Einladung.",6,{"sentences":41629,"speaker":179,"num_words":41640,"start":418,"end":666},[41630,41632,41634,41636,41638],{"text":41631,"start":418,"end":435},"Schön, dass Du da bist.",{"text":41633,"start":435,"end":461},"Schön, dass Du die Zeit gefunden hast direkt.",{"text":41635,"start":461,"end":581},"Der schaut auch an einen unserer Hörer, der uns einen Feedback geschickt hat und hat gesagt, hey, ihr habt euch eine Folge zu 1.5 Grad aufgenommen oder wollt die Aufnahmen sogar im Announcement.",{"text":41637,"start":586,"end":624},"Was ist denn eigentlich mit als Ergänzung, Erweiterung oder Alternative dazu?",{"text":41639,"start":628,"end":666},"Kriegt ihr nicht hin, den Michael in eurem Podcast mal zu holen.",69,{"sentences":41642,"speaker":179,"num_words":41651,"start":670,"end":851},[41643,41645,41647,41649],{"text":41644,"start":670,"end":713},"Und interessanterweise hatte ich die Verbindung irgendwie nicht in meinem Kopf nicht so gemacht.",{"text":41646,"start":713,"end":753},"Ich bin selbst Kunde, also wir klären gleich gleich direkt, was es ist.",{"text":41648,"start":758,"end":803},"Genutze es selbst, unterstütze es auch selbst und von daher diese Idee sehr, sehr gut.",{"text":41650,"start":808,"end":851},"Ja und finde schön, Michael, dass Du heute die Zeit hast, mit uns darüber zu sprechen.",58,{"sentences":41653,"speaker":158,"num_words":41656,"start":854,"end":864},[41654],{"text":41655,"start":854,"end":864},"Sehr cool, ja.",3,{"sentences":41658,"speaker":179,"num_words":227,"start":867,"end":906},[41659],{"text":41660,"start":867,"end":906},"In deinen eigenen Worten in 1, 2 Sätzen, was ist das Ganze?",{"sentences":41662,"speaker":158,"num_words":41672,"start":910,"end":1224},[41663,41665,41667,41669,41671],{"text":41664,"start":910,"end":922},"Puh, was ist das Ganze?",{"text":41666,"start":924,"end":936},"Also, was ist EVCC?",{"text":41668,"start":940,"end":1066},"Ich hab das Gefühl, es es also es verändert sich, es erweitert sich über die Zeit ein bisschen, aber wir haben sind gestartet mit 'ner Lösung, PV Überschussladen, eigenes Auto, eigene PV Anlage zu Hause möglich zu machen.",{"text":41670,"start":1066,"end":1218},"Das war so das Start Setup und inzwischen haben wir aber auch Kombinationen zusammenspielen mit dem Hausspeicher, aber auch Wärmepumpensteuerung und inzwischen auch kleine Verbraucher und alles, was noch so im Haus drum rum anfällt und was mit Energie und bisschen größeren Energiemengen zu tun hat.",{"text":1226,"start":1223,"end":1224},94,{"sentences":41674,"speaker":158,"num_words":41678,"start":1224,"end":1298},[41675,41677],{"text":41676,"start":1224,"end":1292},"Also alles, was da was da eine Rolle spielt, da fühlen wir uns für verantwortlich beziehungsweise wir wollen da was für bauen.",{"text":1301,"start":1297,"end":1298},23,{"sentences":41680,"speaker":179,"num_words":41683,"start":1304,"end":1378},[41681],{"text":41682,"start":1304,"end":1378},"Jetzt sagst Du schon wir und sprichst nicht von ich, das heißt, da sind mittlerweile einige mehr Leute involviert oder wie ist das Ganze aufgebaut?",25,{"sentences":41685,"speaker":158,"num_words":41695,"start":1381,"end":1716},[41686,41688,41690,41692,41694],{"text":41687,"start":1381,"end":1436},"Genau, also ich bin in der Tat auch gar nicht der, der das Projekt damals ins Leben gerufen hat.",{"text":41689,"start":1436,"end":1533},"Ich bin jetzt aber schon seit 6 Jahren, glaube ich, mit dabei und das Projekt ist so sechseinhalb oder so alt und wir sind im im Kernteam 3 Leute, die mit unterschiedlichen Schwerpunkten.",{"text":41691,"start":1537,"end":1575},"Ich komm ja so aus der der User Interface Web Ecke.",{"text":41693,"start":1579,"end":1710},"Wir haben aber auch jemanden, der kommt aus eher aus der Elektrotechnik Ecke, was total super ist, wenn man mal irgendwie son Datenblatt für eine Wallbox lesen muss und dann auch 'n Gefühl dafür hat, was das eigentlich bedeutet, wenn da was drinsteht.",{"text":1226,"start":1715,"end":1716},107,{"sentences":41697,"speaker":158,"num_words":41702,"start":1716,"end":1875},[41698,41700],{"text":41699,"start":1716,"end":1831},"Und genau, dann noch den, der es damals gegründet hat, Andi, der oder das damals durchs Leben gerufen hat und der ist mehr oder weniger auf auf allen Schichten unterwegs und und organisiert da dazwischen rum und und macht Dinge.",{"text":41701,"start":1831,"end":1875},"Genau, aber wir sind son bisschen 3 Leute mit unterschiedlichen Fachbereichen, würd ich jetzt mal sagen.",56,{"sentences":41704,"speaker":179,"num_words":41683,"start":1878,"end":1960},[41705,41706,41707,41709],{"text":1301,"start":1878,"end":1879},{"text":1887,"start":1884,"end":1885},{"text":41708,"start":1890,"end":1930},"Vor 6 Jahren hast Du gesagt, hast Du damit angefangen oder Du bist damit eingestiegen?",{"text":41710,"start":1935,"end":1960},"Hättest Du erwartet, dass es diese Größe erreicht?",{"sentences":41712,"speaker":158,"num_words":41723,"start":1964,"end":2162},[41713,41715,41717,41719,41721],{"text":41714,"start":1964,"end":1972},"Nee, natürlich nicht.",{"text":41716,"start":1972,"end":2008},"Also ich ich hab damals eine Werk irgendwie damals auch noch bestellt.",{"text":41718,"start":2008,"end":2026},"Das war klar, das kommt irgendwie.",{"text":41720,"start":2030,"end":2115},"Und ich hab nach was gesucht, ne, nach fertigen Lösungen geguckt und nix, wie das, ihr kennt das ja, wie das so ist, nix gefunden, was mir irgendwie gefallen hat.",{"text":41722,"start":2115,"end":2162},"Dann hab ich oder Open Source Projekten geguckt und dieses dann damals noch sehr kleine Projekt gefunden.",68,{"sentences":41725,"speaker":158,"num_words":41736,"start":2162,"end":2425},[41726,41728,41730,41732,41734],{"text":41727,"start":2162,"end":2237},"Hab dann da auch irgendwie gleich irgendwie die Geldschwände hingemacht und dann kam 1, ah, kurz hin, hättste nicht Bock auch mitzumachen.",{"text":41729,"start":2241,"end":2297},"Und na ja, dann bin ich da irgendwie reingerutscht und stecken geblieben und genau, Community gab's damals auch schon.",{"text":41731,"start":2297,"end":2355},"Das waren, keine Ahnung, so 2, 3 Handvoll Leute, die da auch regelmäßig Ideen und Sachen diskutiert haben.",{"text":41733,"start":2358,"end":2398},"Genau, inzwischen ist es aber halt, ja, sehr viel größer und und genau, mit auch von.",{"text":41735,"start":2398,"end":2425},"Wir haben relativ viele Australier, die aktiv sind lustigerweise.",84,{"sentences":41738,"speaker":158,"num_words":41749,"start":2425,"end":2669},[41739,41741,41743,41745,41747],{"text":41740,"start":2425,"end":2482},"Also es gibt es ist spannend, dann zu sehen, wo das Feuer fängt und wo aber auch nicht, ne.",{"text":41742,"start":2482,"end":2530},"Also Amerika kommt immer mal wieder was, aber total selten dafür, dass das Land so groß ist.",{"text":41744,"start":2530,"end":2579},"Aber genau, man kann sich irgendwie im Grunde überlegen, warum das vielleicht so ist, aber ja.",{"text":41746,"start":2579,"end":2605},"Also deutsche deutschsprachige Community, Benelux und so.",{"text":41748,"start":2605,"end":2669},"Es ist ziemlich groß und auch relativ stark im im Energieoptimieren Business quasi unterwegs und da kriegen wir viel Feedback und auch viel Input.",83,{"sentences":41751,"speaker":158,"num_words":2678,"start":2669,"end":2675},[41752],{"text":41753,"start":2669,"end":2675},"Vielleicht für",{"sentences":41755,"speaker":2678,"num_words":41762,"start":2675,"end":2797},[41756,41758,41760],{"text":41757,"start":2675,"end":2705},"uns hier ist es klar, aber für unsere Hörer vielleicht noch nicht.",{"text":41759,"start":2705,"end":2787},"Du hast ja gerade Dennis den Vergleich schon zu 1.5 Grad gemacht, ne, die mit HardBeat AI ja 1 1 1 Hardware haben, die son bisschen diese Automatisierung übernimmt.",{"text":41761,"start":2787,"end":2797},"Das ist ja",44,{"sentences":41764,"speaker":179,"num_words":41762,"start":2797,"end":2930},[41765,41767,41769,41771,41773],{"text":41766,"start":2797,"end":2823},"'n kostenpflichtiges Tool oder 'n kostenpflichtige Hardware.",{"text":41768,"start":2823,"end":2851},"Vielleicht kannst Du noch mal kurz at at 10 EPCC.",{"text":41770,"start":2851,"end":2897},"Es ist ja Open Source, wenn Du und auch wenn Du von 3 Personen im Kernteam sprichst.",{"text":41772,"start":2897,"end":2905},"Was heißt das?",{"text":41774,"start":2905,"end":2930},"Seid ihr wirklich Vollzeit mit EVCC beschäftigt?",{"sentences":41776,"speaker":179,"num_words":41779,"start":2930,"end":2959},[41777],{"text":41778,"start":2930,"end":2959},"Ist das eine Open Source und ihr seid nur die Hauptmaintainer?",11,{"sentences":41781,"speaker":2678,"num_words":41784,"start":2963,"end":3000},[41782],{"text":41783,"start":2963,"end":3000},"Also gebt uns vielleicht noch 'n bisschen Kontext dazu, wo sich EVCC positioniert.",13,{"sentences":41786,"speaker":158,"num_words":41736,"start":3004,"end":3248},[41787,41788,41790,41792,41794],{"text":1226,"start":3004,"end":3005},{"text":41789,"start":3005,"end":3061},"Also ursprünglich also war das erst mal, also ein ganz normales in Anführungszeichen, 'n Open Source Projekt.",{"text":41791,"start":3061,"end":3081},"Da macht man irgendwie Dinge und so.",{"text":41793,"start":3084,"end":3116},"Und genau, ich fand das immer sehr, sehr cool, daran zu arbeiten.",{"text":41795,"start":3116,"end":3248},"Für mich war irgendwann klar, ich möchte eigentlich, also Familie und Kinder und wie auch immer und dann ist die die Abende, die man und die Wochenenden, die man da reinstecken kann, die sind dann schon auch noch begrenzt, bevor es dann andere soziale Probleme gibt quasi.",{"sentences":41797,"speaker":158,"num_words":41808,"start":3248,"end":3544},[41798,41800,41802,41804,41806],{"text":41799,"start":3248,"end":3292},"Und für mich war eigentlich immer klar, eigentlich möchte ich das bei Daylight quasi machen, ne.",{"text":41801,"start":3295,"end":3385},"Und wir haben uns dann relativ früh son son Sponsoring Modell überlegt, also irgend eine Art von Einkommen, mit der man dann so eine Vision dann auch irgendwie machen und und aufbauen kann.",{"text":41803,"start":3388,"end":3414},"Genau, das haben wir machen wir jetzt schon seit einiger Zeit.",{"text":41805,"start":3414,"end":3435},"Das heißt, der Code ist komplett offen.",{"text":41807,"start":3435,"end":3544},"Der allergrößte Teil ist auch unter MIT Lizenz, aber wir haben Integrationen für Wallboxen haben wir, also die sind auch offen vom Code, aber die sind unter 1 Lizenz, dass Du die nicht einfach weiter vertreiben kannst.",104,{"sentences":41810,"speaker":158,"num_words":41821,"start":3548,"end":3882},[41811,41813,41815,41817,41819],{"text":41812,"start":3548,"end":3602},"Das ist, genau, das ist die Struktur von dem Open Source Projekt und unser Modell ist, dass wir halt nach Sponsoring fragen.",{"text":41814,"start":3602,"end":3741},"Das heißt, wir sagen, hier trag was zum Projekt bei, dann kannst Du die die Software, die binaries, wie auch immer einfach so verwenden oder also dort mitarbeiten, Doku schreiben, wie auch immer oder halt das, was jetzt viele Leute machen, was einfacher ist, einen finanziellen Beitrag machen.",{"text":41816,"start":3741,"end":3763},"Das heißt, wir haben damals mit GitHub Sponsoring angefangen.",{"text":41818,"start":3763,"end":3843},"Das kannte ich damals noch gar nicht, aber das war da war's zumindest für mich relativ neu, wo wir gesagt haben, okay, kleines Betrag, den wir da einstellen können.",{"text":41820,"start":3846,"end":3882},"Wenn man den regelmäßig beiträgt, dann dann dann gilt das als gesponsert quasi.",121,{"sentences":41823,"speaker":158,"num_words":41834,"start":3884,"end":4061},[41824,41826,41828,41830,41832],{"text":41825,"start":3884,"end":3952},"Inzwischen haben wir noch mehr Optionen, wo Du auch 'n allgemein Betrag für Leute, die sagen, nee, Abo und so, ich kann Bock drauf.",{"text":41827,"start":3952,"end":4000},"Ich geborene euch gerne einmal Geld, damit ihr da weitermachen könnt, aber nichts regelmäßiges bitte.",{"text":41829,"start":4000,"end":4019},"Und genau, das das haben wir inzwischen auch.",{"text":41831,"start":4019,"end":4047},"Was ist inzwischen, haben wir jetzt schon länger auch.",{"text":41833,"start":4047,"end":4061},"Genau, so so funktioniert das.",61,{"sentences":41836,"speaker":158,"num_words":41847,"start":4061,"end":4269},[41837,41839,41841,41843,41845],{"text":41838,"start":4061,"end":4117},"Das heißt, wir haben einen einen einen Finanzierungskanal und mir war auch immer wichtig, dass das primär von der Community kommt oder...",{"text":41840,"start":4117,"end":4129},"Mein, ich hab ein...",{"text":41842,"start":4129,"end":4191},"Also eigentlich eigentlich war meine Vision, dass es eigentlich ausschließlich von den Nutzern kommt Und da sind wir auch mehr oder weniger gelandet gelandet.",{"text":41844,"start":4191,"end":4220},"Also wir haben jetzt keine Sponsoren, große Corporate Sponsoren.",{"text":41846,"start":4220,"end":4269},"Wir haben 'n paar Logos auf der Webseite, aber das sind eher kleine Beträge, die die beisteuern.",76,{"sentences":41849,"speaker":158,"num_words":41854,"start":4273,"end":4468},[41850,41852],{"text":41851,"start":4273,"end":4337},"Der Großteil wird in der Tat von der Community, also von Einzelleuten, die das benutzen und die wollen, dass die Software weiter existiert, getragen.",{"text":41853,"start":4337,"end":4468},"Und zumindest bei mir ist es jetzt, das weiß ich gar nicht, wie wie wie deutlich da schon wieder reden darf und wann das hier ausgestrahlt wird, auch so, dass das jetzt in absehbarer Zeit mein mein Vollzeitjob quasi wird und mein Angestelltenjob dann an den Nagel gehängt wird quasi.",74,{"sentences":41856,"speaker":179,"num_words":41859,"start":4471,"end":4489},[41857],{"text":41858,"start":4471,"end":4489},"Ja, ist doch schön, dass Du das dann",8,{"sentences":41861,"speaker":2678,"num_words":41864,"start":4489,"end":4515},[41862],{"text":41863,"start":4489,"end":4515},"genauso geklappt hat, wie Du dir das vorgestellt hast.",9,{"sentences":41866,"speaker":158,"num_words":41762,"start":4518,"end":4636},[41867,41869,41871,41873],{"text":41868,"start":4518,"end":4532},"In der Tat, freut mich auch.",{"text":41870,"start":4535,"end":4613},"Überrascht mich auch immer wieder ein bisschen und ich muss dann auch immer Dinge erklären, wenn wenn das Leute erfahren oder wie ich das Leuten erzähle, aber es ist genau...",{"text":41872,"start":4613,"end":4633},"Also find ich eigentlich total super, ja.",{"text":4638,"start":4635,"end":4636},{"sentences":41875,"speaker":179,"num_words":41683,"start":4636,"end":4709},[41876],{"text":41877,"start":4636,"end":4709},"Hast Du das Gefühl, dass damit irgendwie mehr auch noch son Businessgedanke reinkommt, als er vorher war oder versuchst Du das möglichst irgendwie davon wegzuhalten?",{"sentences":41879,"speaker":158,"num_words":41890,"start":4714,"end":4979},[41880,41882,41884,41886,41888],{"text":41881,"start":4714,"end":4720},"Gute Frage.",{"text":41883,"start":4720,"end":4829},"Also ich hab schon ganz viele Projekte, also auch Open Source Projekte gesehen, die dann halt son Turn genommen haben, nur wo ich das wo ich gedacht hab, ah, das war mal so geil und jetzt ist das irgendwie, keine Ahnung.",{"text":41885,"start":4829,"end":4863},"Jetzt sind da, ich will nicht sagen, Produktmenschen reingekommen oder so.",{"text":41887,"start":4863,"end":4885},"Also ich ich find auch gute Produkte total super.",{"text":41889,"start":4889,"end":4979},"Aber eigentlich, also unser Kern und das, worauf wir total viel Wert legen, ist, dass das Open Source Ding eigentlich das ist, wonach wir die Entscheidung treffen, dass möglichst viel der Sachen offen sind.",97,{"sentences":41892,"speaker":158,"num_words":41890,"start":4982,"end":5246},[41893,41895,41897,41899,41901],{"text":41894,"start":4982,"end":5001},"Wir müssen uns natürlich aber auch zu Sachen verhalten.",{"text":41896,"start":5001,"end":5049},"Am Anfang hatten wir das mit den Lizenzen nicht so gemacht, wie ich das eben beschrieben hab.",{"text":41898,"start":5049,"end":5113},"Das führte dann dazu, dass alle Leute Boxen, mit ihr wollt CC drauf verkaufen oder dann mit ihrem eigenen Logo verkaufen Mhm.",{"text":41900,"start":5116,"end":5186},"Und die dann irgendwie auf auf eBay oder was auch immer und der Support bei uns landet und das fühlte sich dann irgendwie weird an, ne?",{"text":41902,"start":5186,"end":5246},"Wir sagen, okay, wir wollen das irgendwie möglichst offen machen und dann bauen andere Leute darauf 'n Geschäft auf, das ist irgendwie schräg.",{"sentences":41904,"speaker":158,"num_words":41723,"start":5246,"end":5435},[41905,41906,41908,41910,41912],{"text":5253,"start":5246,"end":5250},{"text":41907,"start":5255,"end":5298},"Genau und jetzt mit dem Modell, was wir gerade haben, fühle ich mich eigentlich ganz wohl.",{"text":41909,"start":5298,"end":5331},"Also wir sind nicht so, dass wir sagen, ah ja, das ist jetzt hier wirklich...",{"text":41911,"start":5334,"end":5393},"Wir haben auch keine Ambitionen, da jetzt irgendwie eine Hardware rauszubauen, die wir irgendwelche Regale oder irgendwelche Großhändler oder so was kriegen.",{"text":41913,"start":5393,"end":5435},"Da gibt's Leute, die dann aufbauen auf unserem Sponsor Modell jetzt so was machen.",{"sentences":41915,"speaker":158,"num_words":41920,"start":5435,"end":5470},[41916,41918],{"text":41917,"start":5435,"end":5451},"Das ist auch total fein, ne.",{"text":41919,"start":5451,"end":5470},"Da kriegen wir dann eben unser Teil von",14,{"sentences":41922,"speaker":179,"num_words":2678,"start":5473,"end":5478},[41923,41924],{"text":5476,"start":5473,"end":5474},{"text":1301,"start":5474,"end":5478},{"sentences":41926,"speaker":158,"num_words":41929,"start":5478,"end":5557},[41927],{"text":41928,"start":5478,"end":5557},"Genau, aber wir selber, also E-Mail-'Hadwaraprodukte oder das das das noch mehr zu produktisieren oder Premiumservices oder was auch immer, eigentlich widerstrebt uns das 'n bisschen und genau.",28,{"sentences":41931,"speaker":179,"num_words":41934,"start":5560,"end":5647},[41932],{"text":41933,"start":5560,"end":5647},"Das heißt, wenn jetzt jemand E-PC-C nutzen möchte, wie wär denn aktuell so die, also ich hol mir einfach irgendwie 'n Raspberry Pi und da spiele ich E-PC-C drauf oder",30,{"sentences":41936,"speaker":2678,"num_words":41939,"start":5647,"end":5694},[41937],{"text":41938,"start":5647,"end":5694},"was ist der typische Weg, wenn ich jetzt sag, okay, irgendwie damit würde ich gerne mein Haus steuern?",18,{"sentences":41941,"speaker":158,"num_words":41952,"start":5698,"end":5940},[41942,41944,41946,41948,41950],{"text":41943,"start":5698,"end":5710},"Genau, das ist der Klassik.",{"text":41945,"start":5710,"end":5772},"Der der der Klassikweg, also wenn Du noch gar nix hast, ne, dann holst Du dir 'n Raspberry Pi oder irgendwie 'n anderen Singleboardcomputer.",{"text":41947,"start":5776,"end":5827},"Wir haben irgendwie auch auch 'n Nano Pi, die sind noch 'n bisschen günstiger und auch bisschen verfügbarer grade.",{"text":41949,"start":5831,"end":5853},"Und wir brauchen nicht viel Hardware, das heißt, genau.",{"text":41951,"start":5853,"end":5940},"Also irgend 'n kleinen Single Wall Computer, da gibt's dann fertige Linux Images, die kannst Du auf eine SD Karte flashen und dann steckst Du den da rein.",85,{"sentences":41954,"speaker":158,"num_words":41960,"start":5940,"end":6067},[41955,41957,41958],{"text":41956,"start":5940,"end":6034},"Dann hast Du irgendwie im im Webbrowser, nachdem Du irgendwie einmal 'n WLAN Setup gemacht hast, wirst Du irgendwie durchgeleitet und kannst dann deine Wallbox anlegen, deinen Wechselrichter da konfigurieren und die Dinge machen.",{"text":1226,"start":6037,"end":6038},{"text":41959,"start":6041,"end":6067},"Das ist das, das ist der Flow an der Stelle.",45,{"sentences":41962,"speaker":2678,"num_words":41627,"start":6070,"end":6084},[41963,41964],{"text":4638,"start":6070,"end":6071},{"text":41965,"start":6075,"end":6084},"Und kannst Du uns 'n",{"sentences":41967,"speaker":179,"num_words":41939,"start":6084,"end":6135},[41968],{"text":41969,"start":6084,"end":6135},"bisschen was so zu für unsere Tech Herzen, was ist 'n was sind so das Text Deck aus?",{"sentences":41971,"speaker":2678,"num_words":41974,"start":6135,"end":6149},[41972],{"text":41973,"start":6135,"end":6149},"Was bringt denn EVCC?",4,{"sentences":41976,"speaker":179,"num_words":41979,"start":6152,"end":6174},[41977],{"text":41978,"start":6152,"end":6174},"Also was ist noch was was wird da drauf geflasht?",10,{"sentences":41981,"speaker":158,"num_words":41992,"start":6177,"end":6496},[41982,41984,41986,41988,41990],{"text":41983,"start":6177,"end":6234},"Ja, also vom also einmal von der Software selbst, die ist in Go geschrieben und hat alle möglichen Schnittstellen, ne.",{"text":41985,"start":6234,"end":6300},"Wir sprechen irgendwie MQTT und REST und MCP und was man was man heute so spricht, irgendwie Daten da rein- und rauszukriegen.",{"text":41987,"start":6304,"end":6342},"Und die Nutzeroberfläche ist eine View JS Anwendung, die oben drauf sitzt.",{"text":41989,"start":6345,"end":6408},"Es gibt Apps, eine 1 iOS App und eine Android App, mit der man das auch das Setup machen kann oder wo Du auch...",{"text":41991,"start":6408,"end":6496},"Inzwischen haben wir auch native Widgets, die man sich dann irgendwie auf den Homescreen packen kann, dann irgendwie seinen Ladepunkt direkt eben mit einem Klick hin- und schalten zu können.",108,{"sentences":41994,"speaker":158,"num_words":41834,"start":6496,"end":6658},[41995,41997,41999,42001,42003],{"text":41996,"start":6496,"end":6527},"Also zum Ergänzungen, die dann halt so über die Zeit kommen, ne?",{"text":41998,"start":6527,"end":6534},"Leute haben Ideen.",{"text":42000,"start":6537,"end":6567},"Genau, das ist son bisschen die das von der Software da vom TechSac.",{"text":42002,"start":6567,"end":6620},"Da benutzen wir plus dann die, die Widgets müssen dann halt in nativer Sprache der jeweiligen Plattform gebaut werden.",{"text":42004,"start":6624,"end":6658},"Und auf der Unterseite, Du sagst ja eben, was wird dann da drauf geflasht?",{"sentences":42006,"speaker":158,"num_words":42015,"start":6661,"end":6761},[42007,42009,42011,42013],{"text":42008,"start":6661,"end":6697},"Da haben wir einen einen Armbian, wo wir halt vorkonfiguriert unsere Software drauf haben.",{"text":42010,"start":6697,"end":6730},"Also einen den Debian, was halt für Single Boardcomputer angepasst ist.",{"text":42012,"start":6730,"end":6747},"Also Armbian Projekt ziemlich ziemlich cool.",{"text":42014,"start":6747,"end":6761},"Kann man sich auf jeden",36,{"sentences":42017,"speaker":179,"num_words":42020,"start":6761,"end":6776},[42018],{"text":42019,"start":6761,"end":6776},"Fall mal angucken, wenn man",5,{"sentences":42022,"speaker":158,"num_words":42029,"start":6776,"end":6891},[42023,42025,42027],{"text":42024,"start":6776,"end":6795},"wenn man so was Ähnliches machen will.",{"text":42026,"start":6795,"end":6830},"Die unterstützen unglaublich viele Hardwareplattformen neben dem Raspberry Pi halt, ne.",{"text":42028,"start":6833,"end":6891},"Genau und bieten da gute Tools, einfach wirklich 'n Linuximvac zu bauen, ohne da jetzt Superexperte drin sein zu müssen.",38,{"sentences":42031,"speaker":179,"num_words":41749,"start":6894,"end":7108},[42032,42034,42036],{"text":42033,"start":6894,"end":6943},"Das ist vielleicht auch noch mal ganz kurz auch, weil Fabi und ich sind wahrscheinlich eher 'n bisschen näher dran.",{"text":42035,"start":6943,"end":6988},"Wir haben beide eine PV Anlage, beide 'n Elektroauto, beide irgendwie 'n Speicher und so weiter.",{"text":42037,"start":6988,"end":7108},"Vielleicht vielleicht noch mal so das Problem oder für die, die all diese Komponenten noch nicht haben, noch mal ganz kurz auf das Problem eingehen, was ihr versucht zu lösen und was da praktisch so technisch der Hintergrund ist oder wie kompliziert das ist, das zu tun.",{"sentences":42039,"speaker":158,"num_words":42049,"start":7111,"end":7545},[42040,42041,42043,42045,42047],{"text":5253,"start":7111,"end":7112},{"text":42042,"start":7116,"end":7148},"Ich ich kenn ja mal von meinem Use Case von früher anfangen.",{"text":42044,"start":7148,"end":7423},"Also ich hab Auto gekriegt und dann hab ich gesagt hab ich gesagt, gut, kaufe ich mir eine Wallbox und kaufe ich mir irgendwie eine smarte Wallbox, weil dann ist das mit der PV Steuerung und so, dann geht das bestimmt alles und dann hast Du die Dinger da hängen, dann guckst Du dir das an und siehst, okay, smart bedeutet, dass da irgendwie eine SIM Karte drin ist, aber das heißt nicht, dass diese Wallbox irgendwas von PV Strom oder einem Wechselrichter oder sowas weiß und dann gibt es irgendwelche Zusatzprodukte, die es zu dem Zeitpunkt über Norwegen, pass auch mal.",{"text":42046,"start":7423,"end":7514},"Also komische Dinge, das heißt, es gab jetzt irgendwie nichts, wo ich einfach irgendwie Adapter oder Produkte kaufen konnte, die ich dann die dann gemacht haben, dass meine PV Anlage direkt mit dem Wallbock spricht.",{"text":42048,"start":7517,"end":7545},"Genau, das heißt, das ist erst mal an der Stelle schwierig.",161,{"sentences":42051,"speaker":158,"num_words":42062,"start":7548,"end":7754},[42052,42054,42056,42058,42060],{"text":42053,"start":7548,"end":7585},"Die meisten PV Anlagen, Wechseldirektorhersteller haben inzwischen auch eine eigene Wallbox im Sortiment.",{"text":42055,"start":7589,"end":7664},"Das heißt, ich kann sagen, ich gehe was auch immer zu SMA und kauf eine SMA Wechselrichter, eine SMA Batterie und auch eine SMA Wallbox und dann geht das irgendwie.",{"text":42057,"start":7664,"end":7709},"Dann haben sie in der kann ich in der SMA App auch sagen, ja, jetzt machen wir irgendwie Überschussladen.",{"text":42059,"start":7712,"end":7740},"Das ist alles gut, solange Du halt in dem System bleibst, ne.",{"text":42061,"start":7740,"end":7754},"Bei Tesla gibt's das auch.",79,{"sentences":42064,"speaker":158,"num_words":42075,"start":7754,"end":7977},[42065,42067,42069,42071,42073],{"text":42066,"start":7754,"end":7783},"Tesla ist, die sind da ist sogar noch 'n bisschen weirder.",{"text":42068,"start":7783,"end":7815},"Die haben eben den Tesla Tesla Wall Connector, die die Tesla Wallbox quasi.",{"text":42070,"start":7818,"end":7854},"Da geht das PV Überschuss steuern nur, wenn Du auch Tesla daran angeschlossen hast.",{"text":42072,"start":7854,"end":7890},"Da kannst Du das zum Beispiel nicht machen, wenn ein Fremdfahrzeug daran angeschlossen ist.",{"text":42074,"start":7890,"end":7977},"Das heißt, die Wallbox, eigentlich ist die Wallbox gar nicht steuerbar, sondern die Wallbox gibt einfach nur über über Cloud quasi das Steuersignal an das Auto weiter und das geht halt noch beim beim Tesla.",87,{"sentences":42077,"speaker":158,"num_words":42020,"start":7980,"end":7992},[42078],{"text":42079,"start":7980,"end":7992},"Das heißt Weil der Tesla",{"sentences":42081,"speaker":2678,"num_words":41864,"start":7992,"end":8016},[42082],{"text":42083,"start":7992,"end":8016},"dann sozusagen sagt, wann geladen wird man nicht geladen.",{"sentences":42085,"speaker":158,"num_words":42095,"start":8016,"end":8272},[42086,42087,42089,42091,42093],{"text":1226,"start":8016,"end":8020},{"text":42088,"start":8020,"end":8115},"Tesla ist, also die haben eine echt gute Auto API und da kann ich auch irgendwie, da kann ich Start Stop machen über die API und ich kann auch sagen, wie schnell und wie langsam geladen werden soll.",{"text":42090,"start":8118,"end":8186},"Können, ich glaube, neben Tesla wüsste ich jetzt grade gar keinen Hersteller, der das also wirklich auch die die Lade die Ladeströme quasi von außen steuern.",{"text":42092,"start":8189,"end":8201},"Das können die anderen alle nicht.",{"text":42094,"start":8201,"end":8272},"Da sind wir meistens froh, wenn wir überhaupt irgendwie 'n Up to date Akkustand oder so was aus diesem Fahrzeug raus rausquetschen können quasi.",95,{"sentences":42097,"speaker":158,"num_words":42108,"start":8274,"end":8482},[42098,42100,42102,42104,42106],{"text":42099,"start":8274,"end":8367},"Genau, also will sagen, es gibt Lösungen, wenn man sich auf son Ökosystem quasi einschießt, die dann funktionieren, ne, wo das dann einfach so mit den mit den Sachen, die sich der Hersteller überlegt hat, geht.",{"text":42101,"start":8371,"end":8387},"Spätestens inzwischen hab ich hier noch eine...",{"text":42103,"start":8387,"end":8437},"Wir haben unsere PV Anlage mal erweitert und da war aber 'n anderes Wechsel durch das System irgendwie günstiger.",{"text":42105,"start":8440,"end":8472},"Spätestens wenn dann 2 unterschiedliche Hersteller da drin sind, hat man meistens verloren.",{"text":42107,"start":8472,"end":8482},"Dann ist das...",78,{"sentences":42110,"speaker":158,"num_words":980,"start":8482,"end":8726},[42111,42113,42115,42117,42119],{"text":42112,"start":8482,"end":8496},"Da hab ich irgendwie 2 Apps.",{"text":42114,"start":8500,"end":8539},"Also hab ich jetzt gerade auch, ne, von dem einen Wechselrichterherstellung und von dem anderen.",{"text":42116,"start":8543,"end":8581},"Die Zahlen kann ich irgendwie addieren, teilweise muss die auch abziehen, was auch immer.",{"text":42118,"start":8581,"end":8655},"Also das halt, wenn ich noch irgendwie Akku rein und raus oder so was habe, dann fängt's auch an kompliziert zu werden, was jetzt wirklich mein Netzverbrauch war.",{"text":42120,"start":8658,"end":8726},"Und genau, also das ist dann das, wo EVCC, aber auch andere Energiemanagementsysteme, die man sich dann irgendwie kaufen kann, wo wo der Bereich anfängt, ne.",{"sentences":42122,"speaker":158,"num_words":42132,"start":8726,"end":8958},[42123,42125,42126,42128,42130],{"text":42124,"start":8726,"end":8839},"Wo man sagt, okay, eigentlich möchte ich 'n 'n 'n Steuerungs- oder 'n Visualisierungssystem haben, was erst mal losgelöst ist von konkreten Marken, sondern wo ich wie Wallbox von Hersteller a, Bit Wechselrichter von Hersteller b zum Beispiel miteinander anschließen kann.",{"text":1226,"start":8841,"end":8842},{"text":42127,"start":8842,"end":8890},"Noch 'n bisschen komplizierter wird das dann, wenn ich noch 'n dynamisches Stromtarif oder so was kriege.",{"text":42129,"start":8890,"end":8944},"Das können also dann dann verlässt man meistens auch schon die Insel, wenn's nicht der Strom ein Stromtarif des Anbieters ist.",{"text":42131,"start":8944,"end":8958},"Auch das gibt es halt, ne.",86,{"sentences":42134,"speaker":158,"num_words":42145,"start":8958,"end":9157},[42135,42137,42139,42141,42143],{"text":42136,"start":8958,"end":8989},"Also Wechselritterhersteller, die die auch gleich Strom verkaufen wollen oder Autohersteller.",{"text":42138,"start":8994,"end":9014},"VW ist da, glaub ich, grade drin, ne.",{"text":42140,"start":9014,"end":9083},"Die geben dir gerne eine Wallbox mit dazu und die geben dir auch gerne gleich 'n Stromtarif mit dazu, wo Du dann auch später noch direkt neues Laden.",{"text":42142,"start":9083,"end":9110},"Also alle bauen da ihre kleinen Inseln quasi, sich dann...",{"text":42144,"start":9110,"end":9157},"Das macht auch aus der Sicht sicher auch Sinn, wenn wenn man wenn man son son Player ist.",75,{"sentences":42147,"speaker":158,"num_words":42152,"start":9160,"end":9271},[42148,42150],{"text":42149,"start":9160,"end":9199},"Genau, aber sobald Du diese Insel verlassen oder miteinander verbinden willst, brauchst Du halt was 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verbrauchen.",71,{"sentences":42164,"speaker":158,"num_words":41779,"start":9460,"end":9488},[42165,42167],{"text":42166,"start":9460,"end":9483},"Stimmt, so mit vorne bin ich gar nicht angefangen.",{"text":42168,"start":9483,"end":9488},"Ja, korrekt.",{"sentences":42170,"speaker":2678,"num_words":41864,"start":9491,"end":9510},[42171,42173],{"text":42172,"start":9491,"end":9505},"Ja, man man weiß ja nicht, ne.",{"text":42174,"start":9505,"end":9510},"Wir alle",{"sentences":42176,"speaker":179,"num_words":41859,"start":9513,"end":9537},[42177,42179],{"text":42178,"start":9513,"end":9524},"Ja, ja, nein, ja.",{"text":42180,"start":9527,"end":9537},"Auch in der Zahl",{"sentences":42182,"speaker":2678,"num_words":42020,"start":9537,"end":9553},[42183,42185],{"text":42184,"start":9537,"end":9547},"eine PV Anlage.",{"text":42186,"start":9547,"end":9553},"Ich 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nicht so auf in der Produktbauwelt sind, haben wir jetzt auch nicht so was wie son son Vergleichsheet, wo wir sehen, was macht so der Wettbewerb und so.",{"text":42207,"start":9855,"end":9957},"Das kriegen wir son bisschen, also wie das bei Open Source Projekten so ist, das kriegt man halt implizit, indirekt dadurch, dass Leute sagen, hier, da daher kenn ich dieses Feature oder wär doch cool, wenn ihr das und das könnt.",{"sentences":42209,"speaker":158,"num_words":42196,"start":9957,"end":10126},[42210,42212,42213,42215,42217],{"text":42211,"start":9957,"end":9988},"Das nervt mich an 'nem anderen System, dass das da nicht geht.",{"text":1226,"start":9990,"end":9991},{"text":42214,"start":9991,"end":10036},"Also was bislang unser Kern ist, ist halt wirklich so mehr oder weniger die terministische Regel, ne.",{"text":42216,"start":10036,"end":10048},"Das heißt, die Sonne scheint.",{"text":42218,"start":10048,"end":10126},"Ich kann nie wie einmal konfigurieren, was ich dann haben möchte, also ob zuerst der Hausakku geladen werden soll oder ob zuerst das Auto geladen werden soll oder nach bestimmten Bedingungen.",{"sentences":42220,"speaker":158,"num_words":42231,"start":10126,"end":10560},[42221,42223,42225,42227,42229],{"text":42222,"start":10126,"end":10164},"Er ist auch Hausakku halb voll und danach darfst Du irgendwie Auto machen oder so.",{"text":42224,"start":10167,"end":10268},"Oder andersrum, ich will mit dem Auto gleich weg und ich könnte die Energie aus dem Hausspeicher vielleicht noch schnell eben ins Auto rüberschieben, bevor ich wegfahre, einfach damit der Speicher wieder frei ist und neue Sonne aufnehmen kann zum Beispiel.",{"text":42226,"start":10271,"end":10328},"Genau, so Sachen, die haben wir aktuell gebaut und das ist sehr, also deterministisch mit, Du weißt, was passiert, ne.",{"text":42228,"start":10330,"end":10472},"Was auch, also das ist ja das, wo 1.5 Grad, ich ich wie gesagt, ich bin jetzt mit deren Prospekten quasi ähnlich ganz vertraut, aber ich glaube, der das Key Ding, mit dem Sie immer in die Werbung gehen, ist, dass Sie halt irgendwie AI und automatisch optimieren und so was machen.",{"text":42230,"start":10474,"end":10560},"Es gibt bei uns eine Gruppe von Leuten, die eher sonen mathematischen Background haben, die aus so 1 Stromoptimierungssicht und dann wirklich auch ein, 2 Tage nach vorne gucken, Ecke kommen.",159,{"sentences":42233,"speaker":158,"num_words":42244,"start":10560,"end":10815},[42234,42236,42238,42240,42242],{"text":42235,"start":10560,"end":10588},"Das heißt, wir haben jetzt 'n Projekt, das nennt sich Optimizam.",{"text":42237,"start":10592,"end":10627},"Aktuell kann man das anstellen, dann sieht man irgendwie, was der Optimizer tun würde.",{"text":42239,"start":10627,"end":10734},"Ich bin jetzt grade hart am am Testen, heute Nacht nur 'n Testverlauf gehabt, der der nicht so funktioniert, wie ich mir vorgestellt hab, wo wird das Ding jetzt auch wirklich dem steuerbare Sachen in die Hand geben.",{"text":42241,"start":10734,"end":10806},"Das heißt, was also was wir tun, ist, alles, was wir an Zukunftsdinge wissen, Sonnenvorhersage, Verhalten aus der Vergangenheit, füttern wir in diesen Optimizer quasi rein.",{"text":42243,"start":10806,"end":10815},"Der macht 'n Plan.",93,{"sentences":42246,"speaker":158,"num_words":42256,"start":10815,"end":11027},[42247,42249,42251,42252,42254],{"text":42248,"start":10815,"end":10910},"Der Plan wird auch regelmäßig aktualisiert und abhängig von diesem Plan und nicht nur davon, wie jetzt die aktuelle Situation ist, scheint kommt jetzt grad die Sonne, kommt jetzt grad die Sonne nicht, sondern son langfristigeren Plan.",{"text":42250,"start":10913,"end":10935},"Der wird dann als Basis für die Regelung genommen.",{"text":1226,"start":10938,"end":10939},{"text":42253,"start":10939,"end":10977},"Da kommen dann auch immer gleiche Fragen mit, macht ihr das denn mit AI oder nicht?",{"text":42255,"start":10977,"end":11027},"Aktuell ist das einfach einen einen einen, ich da ich in der Entwicklung gar nicht so so tief drin.",82,{"sentences":42258,"speaker":158,"num_words":42108,"start":11031,"end":11238},[42259,42261,42262,42264],{"text":42260,"start":11031,"end":11104},"Also in Python, wo numerisches Zollving passiert, wo probiert die preisoptimierteste Lösung quasi für die in sonem Viertelstundenraster für die nächste Zeit zu bauen.",{"text":1226,"start":11106,"end":11107},{"text":42263,"start":11107,"end":11189},"Wobei die Schnittstelle, die wir da haben, da spricht auch nichts dagegen, da einfach später andere Algorithmen oder andere Modelle quasi dazwischen zu hängen, die dann vielleicht nicht auf so ein Modell aufbauen.",{"text":42265,"start":11189,"end":11238},"Aber genau, grade sind wir da bei den ersten Use Case mit dem numerischen Model an den Start zu kriegen.",{"sentences":42267,"speaker":179,"num_words":42020,"start":11240,"end":11254},[42268,42269],{"text":1301,"start":11240,"end":11241},{"text":42270,"start":11244,"end":11254},"Ich bin Ja, Fabi.",{"sentences":42272,"speaker":2678,"num_words":42275,"start":11258,"end":11414},[42273],{"text":42274,"start":11258,"end":11414},"Wenn ich draufblicke, weil wir hatten jetzt ja, wir springen vielleicht 'n bisschen zwischen dem Produkt und der Technik, aber wenn ich irgendwie auf die Technik blicke, hattest Du ja vorhin gemeint, okay, also das das Tax Stack ist grundsätzlich, dass ihr den Go geschrieben habt und so und dann hast Du darüber gesprochen, so was ihr alles sprecht.",59,{"sentences":42277,"speaker":179,"num_words":42280,"start":11414,"end":11433},[42278],{"text":42279,"start":11414,"end":11433},"Ihr sprecht MQTT und ihr sprecht Reste.",7,{"sentences":42282,"speaker":2678,"num_words":41979,"start":11433,"end":11461},[42283],{"text":42284,"start":11433,"end":11461},"Ihr sprecht aber auch MCP, wo mich interessieren würde, wann",{"sentences":42286,"speaker":179,"num_words":227,"start":11461,"end":11491},[42287,42289],{"text":42288,"start":11461,"end":11479},"in welchem Fall ihr MCP sprechen müsst.",{"text":42290,"start":11479,"end":11491},"Aber wenn ich jetzt mal",{"sentences":42292,"speaker":2678,"num_words":41808,"start":11491,"end":11775},[42293,42295,42297,42299,42301],{"text":42294,"start":11491,"end":11553},"auf eurer Homepage gucke und Du hast ja gemeint, die die Typen, die ihr anbietet, sind Wallbox, sind Fahrzeuge, Wechselrichter und Wärmepumpen.",{"text":42296,"start":11557,"end":11625},"Und wenn ich mal, in dem Fall hab ich meine AI Liste und gesagt, okay, guck doch mal, wie viele verschiedene Marken haben sie denn auf der Homepage?",{"text":42298,"start":11625,"end":11649},"Da sind bei Wallbox und Wechselrichter irgendwas nördlich von 100.",{"text":42300,"start":11653,"end":11682},"Fahrzeuge und Wärmepumpen sind wir irgendwie bei Fahrzeuge 60, Wärmepumpen 40.",{"text":42302,"start":11685,"end":11775},"So ist, was ist das Typischste, was ihr vielleicht auch pro Kategorie irgendwie, wie die Interaktion ist und ich frag mich, wenn ich wenn ich so viele Wallboxen, Wechselrichter und Wärmepumpen und Fahrzeuge.",{"sentences":42304,"speaker":2678,"num_words":42315,"start":11779,"end":11990},[42305,42307,42309,42311,42313],{"text":42306,"start":11779,"end":11826},"Erstfrage ist, hast Du 57 Autos in der in vor deinem Haus stehen oder wie testet ihr die überhaupt?",{"text":42308,"start":11826,"end":11842},"Wie bindet ihr das alles an?",{"text":42310,"start":11842,"end":11870},"Ist es wirklich, dass ihr's immer mit physischen Geräten testet?",{"text":42312,"start":11870,"end":11913},"Macht ihr's immer nur, wenn jemand aus der Community kommt und sagt, ich hab hier ein neues Gerät?",{"text":42314,"start":11913,"end":11990},"Also wie kann ich mir das vorstellen, dass ihr die ganzen Anbindung für diese verschiedenen Anbieter macht und die irgendwie aktuell haltet, irgendwie dagegen testet, so wie...",80,{"sentences":42317,"speaker":2678,"num_words":41864,"start":11993,"end":12013},[42318],{"text":42319,"start":11993,"end":12013},"Ich stell mir das nicht ganz so simpel vor.",{"sentences":42321,"speaker":158,"num_words":42331,"start":12016,"end":12297},[42322,42323,42325,42327,42329],{"text":5253,"start":12016,"end":12017},{"text":42324,"start":12021,"end":12032},"Ich fang mal rückwärts an.",{"text":42326,"start":12032,"end":12077},"Du hattest ja eben angefangen mit wie wie sprecht ihr mit denen und dann dieses wie verifiziert ihr das?",{"text":42328,"start":12077,"end":12109},"Ich ich ich probier mal mit dem Letzten zu starten.",{"text":42330,"start":12112,"end":12297},"In der in der Tat ist das so, dass alles, was da gelistet ist an Marke und auch an Gerät, also wenn's jetzt irgendwie, keine Ahnung, die gibt es mit ein und 2 und 3 Anschlüssen, dann kann das auch sein, dass wir mal sagen, nee, wir haben 'n Nutzer, der das mit einem getestet und das Datenblatt sagt, zweiter Dritter heißt dann nur noch die Zahl, die ihr damit angeben könnt, dann dann ist das...",111,{"sentences":42333,"speaker":158,"num_words":41736,"start":12299,"end":12511},[42334,42336,42337,42339,42340],{"text":42335,"start":12299,"end":12329},"Also nicht alle Modellvarianten sind sind vielleicht Ende zu Ende getestet worden.",{"text":1301,"start":12329,"end":12332},{"text":42338,"start":12332,"end":12415},"Aber es ist in der Tat so, dass alles, was an Implementierung da ist, ist entstanden, weil es 'n Nutzer gab, der gesagt hat, ich hab das Ding hier hängen, könnt ihr das einbauen?",{"text":1301,"start":12418,"end":12419},{"text":42341,"start":12419,"end":12511},"Also wir gehen nicht los und sagen, ah hier guck mal, was ist denn 'n US Wallboxen oder sowas und gucken dann füttern Datenblätter irgendwo rein oder lesen die selber und bauen da da Implementierungen raus.",{"sentences":42343,"speaker":158,"num_words":42354,"start":12511,"end":12784},[42344,42346,42348,42350,42352],{"text":42345,"start":12511,"end":12585},"Das heißt, da steckt in der Regel echt immer eine Person hinter und abhängig, jetzt kommen wir vielleicht auf die Protokolle, wenn wir mal bei den Wallboxen bleiben.",{"text":42347,"start":12585,"end":12631},"Also der Klassiker ist, die sprechen Modbus, also 'n sehr, also son maschinennahes Protokoll quasi.",{"text":42349,"start":12633,"end":12730},"Da muss ich irgendwelche Riester kennen und muss auch teilweise irgendwelche Abläufe und Tänze kennen im Sinne von ja, das machen und dann kurz warten und dann warten, bis dann das passiert ist und dann noch irgendwie weiter, ne.",{"text":42351,"start":12730,"end":12759},"Also ist dann teilweise mehr als einfach nur sagen, jetzt los geht's.",{"text":42353,"start":12762,"end":12784},"Genau, das heißt Modbus ist ist son Plastik Ding.",103,{"sentences":42356,"speaker":158,"num_words":41992,"start":12788,"end":13079},[42357,42359,42361,42363,42365],{"text":42358,"start":12788,"end":12855},"Dann gibt's 'n paar Wallboxen, Go I und so, die können HTTP oder ich kann auch teilweise MQT sprechen, wenn man die irgendwie mit 'nem Server verbindet.",{"text":42360,"start":12858,"end":12913},"Das ist, genau, bei bei gibt's da noch mal die, ja, einmal wieder zurück, gibt's noch mal die Spielart mit.",{"text":42362,"start":12913,"end":12964},"Das passiert irgendwie seriell, über son son 2 3 Kabel quasi oder es funktioniert über Internet oder über Ethernet.",{"text":42364,"start":12967,"end":13023},"Genau, und da gibt's 'n paar Wallboxen, zum Glück nicht zu viele, die wir halt nur über Online Schnittstelle erreichen können.",{"text":42366,"start":13025,"end":13079},"Ich selbst besitze so eine Wallbox, weil ich gedacht hab, die sollte smart sein, das war eine doofe Entscheidung, aber egal.",{"sentences":42368,"speaker":2678,"num_words":41974,"start":13082,"end":13091},[42369],{"text":42370,"start":13082,"end":13091},"Ich glaub meine Haut.",{"sentences":42372,"speaker":179,"num_words":42020,"start":13091,"end":13106},[42373],{"text":42374,"start":13091,"end":13106},"Ich hab eine Easy hier.",{"sentences":42376,"speaker":158,"num_words":41890,"start":13106,"end":13349},[42377,42379,42380,42382,42384],{"text":42378,"start":13106,"end":13118},"Ja, ja, genau.",{"text":1226,"start":13118,"end":13121},{"text":42381,"start":13125,"end":13266},"Da gibt's auch einen größeren Expertenkreis diese Easy Wallbox und diese Easy Integration, also mehrere Nutzer, die wir dann, wenn wir 'n Problem haben, also ich 'n Problem habe oder jemand anders, was auch immer, dann weiß man schon, wen man ansprechen muss und sagt, hier ist das bei dir auch so und wie läuft denn das so?",{"text":42383,"start":13269,"end":13288},"Und so ist das aber bei allen möglichen Gerätekategorien.",{"text":42385,"start":13291,"end":13349},"Wo wir wissen, wenn da jetzt irgendwie jemand kommt und sagt, ah, mit dieser Wärmepumpe gibt's 'n Problem, dann wissen wir schon so ein, 2 Nutzer.",{"sentences":42387,"speaker":158,"num_words":42394,"start":13349,"end":13573},[42388,42390,42392],{"text":42389,"start":13349,"end":13480},"Inzwischen haben wir das auch 'n bisschen automatisiert, dass wir auch sehen, wer hat contributed zu diesem Template und zu dieser Integration, dass wir die gleich anpingen und sagen, hier kannst Du da was zu sagen, bevor ich jetzt gucke, das zu revers zu engineer mit mit der Person, die sich grade gemeldet hat.",{"text":42391,"start":13480,"end":13515},"Und das funktioniert ganz gut, aber ist in der Tat auch 'n großer Teil der Arbeit.",{"text":42393,"start":13515,"end":13573},"Also das wirklich dieses Connecten von Leuten und und Gucken, dass man da Feedback kriegt und so, das das zu organisieren, ja.",92,{"sentences":42396,"speaker":2678,"num_words":42403,"start":13575,"end":13686},[42397,42399,42401],{"text":42398,"start":13575,"end":13616},"Und das heißt, das ist jetzt warst Du, jetzt warst Du bei Wallboxen und bei Wechselrichtern.",{"text":42400,"start":13620,"end":13656},"Ist Fahrzeugenwerbung gefühlt ähnliche Landschaft so oder wie sind da noch mal Ja.",{"text":42402,"start":13658,"end":13686},"Weil Fahrzeuge ist wahrscheinlich kein Modbus, würd ich jetzt mal tippen.",40,{"sentences":42405,"speaker":158,"num_words":42416,"start":13686,"end":14007},[42406,42408,42410,42412,42414],{"text":42407,"start":13686,"end":13733},"Nee, bei Fahrzeugen haben wir immer, na ja, fast fast immer haben wir eine Online Schnittstelle, ne.",{"text":42409,"start":13736,"end":13768},"Die ist bei 1 kleinen Handvoll Fahrzeughersteller gibt es offizielle Schnittstellen.",{"text":42411,"start":13771,"end":13830},"Bei einigen ist es halt wirklich die Reverse engineierte Schnittstelle, die die Android App irgendwie verwendet, ne, wo's dann auch Open Source Projekte gibt.",{"text":42413,"start":13830,"end":13916},"Das ist dann meistens auch das, was man in Home Assistant, wenn man die anwenden will, wo man ähnliche Wege quasi geht, da sind wir auch teilweise mit Leuten dann in Kontakt, ne.",{"text":42415,"start":13916,"end":14007},"Also wenn ist die der der Mensch, der jetzt bei die die VW Integration für Home Assistant baut, der ist auch bei immer unterwegs und andersrum, wo man dann guckt, was macht man denn da eigentlich grade?",122,{"sentences":42418,"speaker":158,"num_words":41736,"start":14010,"end":14223},[42419,42421,42423,42425,42427],{"text":42420,"start":14010,"end":14081},"Genau, da gibt's Hersteller, die sich auch gegen wehren und sagen, das ist eine, wir wollen das nicht, macht das mal bitte nicht und dann irgendwie absichtlich ihre API umbauen.",{"text":42422,"start":14084,"end":14108},"Auch das passiert, das ist dann auf unserer Seite mal nervig.",{"text":42424,"start":14108,"end":14144},"Also Fahrzeugschnittstellen ist son bisschen deutlich mehr Schwankungen drin als bei Wallboxen.",{"text":42426,"start":14144,"end":14213},"Die kriegen meistens keine Firmware Updates, sondern hängen dann da so, wie die ausgeliefert wurden, wenn die nicht grade Internet connected sind, wie die easy oder so.",{"text":42428,"start":14215,"end":14223},"Da ist es stabiler.",{"sentences":42430,"speaker":2678,"num_words":719,"start":14227,"end":14379},[42431,42433,42435,42437],{"text":42432,"start":14227,"end":14250},"Das heißt aber, es werden auch bei Fahrzeugen geschrieben vor.",{"text":42434,"start":14250,"end":14298},"Da gibt's dann auch keinen so, ihr seid da irgendwie als als Anbieter registriert und könnt euch 'n API Token holen.",{"text":42436,"start":14298,"end":14362},"Das ist eher so, da muss man bei euch im Portal einfach seine Endkunden, Passwort und E-Mail eingeben oder wie kann ich mir Ja.",{"text":42438,"start":14364,"end":14379},"Wie macht eine Authentifizierung gegenüber?",{"sentences":42440,"speaker":179,"num_words":41974,"start":14379,"end":14397},[42441,42443],{"text":42442,"start":14379,"end":14387},"Genau, genau.",{"text":42444,"start":14391,"end":14397},"Klingt hacky.",{"sentences":42446,"speaker":158,"num_words":41890,"start":14401,"end":14644},[42447,42449,42450,42452,42454],{"text":42448,"start":14401,"end":14444},"Genau, uns ist das Dezentrale als superwichtig und wir wollen eigentlich keine zentrale Stelle spielen, ne?",{"text":5253,"start":14444,"end":14447},{"text":42451,"start":14447,"end":14520},"Und wir standen schon mehrfach vor dem Punkt, wo wir gesagt haben, keine Ahnung, deutscher Automobilhersteller kommt auf uns zu und sagt, hier, ihr könnt hier eine offizielle Schnittstelle kriegen.",{"text":42453,"start":14520,"end":14571},"Ihr müsst diesen NDA unterschreiben und dann müsst ihr irgendwie diesen Vertrag pro API Aufruf oder so was unterschreiben.",{"text":42455,"start":14571,"end":14644},"Und das hat den Vorteil, dass es dann kombiniert ist für den Nutzer, weil der kann dann einfach irgendwie klicken und dann geht das irgendwie, aber eigentlich wollen wir das nicht.",{"sentences":42457,"speaker":158,"num_words":980,"start":14644,"end":14872},[42458,42460,42461,42462,42464],{"text":42459,"start":14644,"end":14775},"Eigentlich wollen wir nicht irgendwie API Views da dazwischen verkaufen, sondern zumindest ich bin eigentlich der Überzeugung, dass wenn ich das Auto kaufe und sogar noch 'n Online Abo für dieses Auto bezahle im Monat, dass ich auch gerne der das Recht haben sollte, an dieses Fahrzeug und an seine Daten ranzukommen.",{"text":5253,"start":14778,"end":14779},{"text":1226,"start":14782,"end":14783},{"text":42463,"start":14783,"end":14799},"Bei allen Dingen geht es, ne.",{"text":42465,"start":14799,"end":14872},"Bei Tester muss ich mir 'n Developer Account anlegen und dann irgendwie die Daten vom Developer Account dann bei uns eintragen und dann dann komme ich da irgendwie dran.",{"sentences":42467,"speaker":158,"num_words":42478,"start":14872,"end":15181},[42468,42470,42472,42474,42476],{"text":42469,"start":14872,"end":14913},"VW hat, ich hatte das eben so ohne Namen gesagt, aber ich kann das ja auch nennen.",{"text":42471,"start":14913,"end":15011},"Also der VW Konzern hat die APIs von 'n paar Monaten Anfang des Jahres gab's eigentlich die heiße Artikel zu und so, haben die ihre APIs dichtgemacht und explizit geschützt gegen so Third Party Zugriffe.",{"text":42473,"start":15014,"end":15100},"Da gab's großen Aufschreiungen, auch großes Feedback von vielen Leuten aus unserer Community, aber auch aus anderen Communities, die diese Schnittstellen verwenden und genau auch finden, da sollten Sie irgendwie was drauf haben.",{"text":42475,"start":15102,"end":15152},"Was eine ganz coole Story ist, ist, dass vor 'nem Monat oder anderthalb Monaten Skoda auf uns zu bekommen.",{"text":42477,"start":15152,"end":15181},"Auch da scheint es EVCC Nutzer lustigerweise zu geben in dieser Firma.",116,{"sentences":42480,"speaker":158,"num_words":41960,"start":15184,"end":15291},[42481,42483,42485,42487,42489],{"text":42482,"start":15184,"end":15220},"Die gesagt haben, hier, wir kriegen da ganz viel Feedback und eigentlich finden wir das auch doof.",{"text":42484,"start":15220,"end":15254},"Eigentlich möchten wir eine offizielle Schnittstelle für Endnutzer ohne B2B quasi geben.",{"text":42486,"start":15256,"end":15266},"Wie sollte die denn aussehen?",{"text":42488,"start":15266,"end":15275},"Was braucht ihr denn?",{"text":42490,"start":15275,"end":15291},"Was können wir denn da machen, ne?",{"sentences":42492,"speaker":158,"num_words":42075,"start":15291,"end":15516},[42493,42495,42497],{"text":42494,"start":15291,"end":15398},"Und das heißt, es sind wirklich mit uns in den Dialog getreten, bevor sie jetzt einfach irgendwas rausgehauen haben und da haben wir jetzt, kann man bei uns im Blog aussehen, irgendwie einen vor 2, 3 Wochen einen einen Blogartikel zugeschrieben.",{"text":42496,"start":15401,"end":15503},"Da kann ich jetzt einfach in der App sagen, ich hätt gern 'n API Key, also in der normalen Endanwender App und den kannst Du kopieren, den kannst Du bei uns reinkopieren und dann kannst Du irgendwie mit deinem Fahrzeug sprechen.",{"text":42498,"start":15503,"end":15516},"Das ist total geil, ne?",{"sentences":42500,"speaker":2678,"num_words":42280,"start":15516,"end":15537},[42501],{"text":42502,"start":15516,"end":15537},"Also so klingt es ja immer gut.",{"sentences":42504,"speaker":158,"num_words":42515,"start":15537,"end":15748},[42505,42507,42509,42511,42513],{"text":42506,"start":15537,"end":15546},"Genau, genau richtig.",{"text":42508,"start":15549,"end":15568},"Und ja, wir probieren ein bisschen zu pushen.",{"text":42510,"start":15572,"end":15631},"Unsere unsere Power ist da natürlich eingeschränkt in dem Markt, weil die alle auch Geld verdienen wollen mit b-two-b-Sachen, aber ja.",{"text":42512,"start":15631,"end":15655},"Also was, glaube ich, wirklich hilft, ist Nutzerfeedback.",{"text":42514,"start":15655,"end":15748},"Das haben wir zumindest bei Skoda gemerkt, weil die hat sie hat sich auf uns zugekommen, weil die uns irgendwie toll finden oder da sondern wirklich, weil Kunden gesagt haben, könnt ihr, also was was geht da?",77,{"sentences":42517,"speaker":158,"num_words":227,"start":15748,"end":15777},[42518,42520],{"text":42519,"start":15748,"end":15759},"Das ging doch vorher.",{"text":42521,"start":15759,"end":15777},"Könnt ihr nicht machen, dass das wieder geht.",{"sentences":42523,"speaker":2678,"num_words":42527,"start":15780,"end":15816},[42524,42525],{"text":1301,"start":15780,"end":15781},{"text":42526,"start":15781,"end":15816},"Heißt, VW geht jetzt auch weiterhin nicht oder was heißt was die VW Situation?",15,{"sentences":42529,"speaker":158,"num_words":42539,"start":15819,"end":15923},[42530,42532,42534,42535,42537],{"text":42531,"start":15819,"end":15826},"Ja, jetzt komplicated.",{"text":42533,"start":15830,"end":15849},"Ja, bei der Kombi geht es aktuell nicht.",{"text":1887,"start":15849,"end":15851},{"text":42536,"start":15854,"end":15912},"Genau, Skoda, also Skoda ist ja mit in dieser ganzen Gruppe drin und die haben irgendwie alle am gleichen Tag haben die ihre APIs ausgeschaltet.",{"text":42538,"start":15912,"end":15923},"Ich glaube, außer Coupreis.",41,{"sentences":42541,"speaker":158,"num_words":42546,"start":15923,"end":16065},[42542,42544],{"text":42543,"start":15923,"end":15959},"Ich will jetzt nichts zweites erzählen, aber ich glaube, die haben's irgendwie angelassen.",{"text":42545,"start":15963,"end":16065},"Skoda hat's auch ausgemacht und die haben mit ihrer Legacy API dann aber dann doch aufgrund von Feedback dann doch wieder angeknipst 'n paar Tage später und haben jetzt aber inzwischen ihre Nachfolgeschnittstelle, die halt wirklich dafür gebaut ist von den",54,{"sentences":42548,"speaker":2678,"num_words":42020,"start":16068,"end":16079},[42549],{"text":42550,"start":16068,"end":16079},"Aber ich muss ja mal",{"sentences":42552,"speaker":179,"num_words":41974,"start":16079,"end":16090},[42553,42555],{"text":42554,"start":16079,"end":16085},"mehr verstehen.",{"text":42556,"start":16085,"end":16090},"Das heißt,",{"sentences":42558,"speaker":2678,"num_words":42561,"start":16090,"end":16131},[42559],{"text":42560,"start":16090,"end":16131},"die ihr habt ja vorher auch schon nur die benutzt, die dann ihre App benutzt hat.",16,{"sentences":42563,"speaker":179,"num_words":42280,"start":16131,"end":16147},[42564],{"text":42565,"start":16131,"end":16147},"Das heißt, was ist dann mit der",{"sentences":42567,"speaker":2678,"num_words":41864,"start":16147,"end":16169},[42568,42570],{"text":42569,"start":16147,"end":16152},"App so?",{"text":42571,"start":16152,"end":16169},"Ist jetzt eine API, die ihr so",{"sentences":42573,"speaker":179,"num_words":41859,"start":16169,"end":16188},[42574],{"text":42575,"start":16169,"end":16188},"einfach nicht mehr rankommt oder wie kann ich",{"sentences":42577,"speaker":158,"num_words":42586,"start":16191,"end":16550},[42578,42580,42582,42584],{"text":42579,"start":16191,"end":16395},"Ja, ich glaub, sie haben dann, ich bin da in der Tiefe nicht drin, aber Du hast auf auf Android und Co kannst Du dann ja auch so Integrity Sachen mal so was Banking Apps benutzen, dann bestimmte Dinge zu sperren oder da nicht reingucken zu lassen oder dann auch irgendwie eine Verifizierung auf der Geräteebene mitzuhaben und da haben sie, glaube ich, Dinge aktiviert und gemacht, die ich die man nicht so einfach von außen imitieren kann.",{"text":42581,"start":16395,"end":16489},"Da gibt's, ich glaube auch bei der VW Integration für Homerystyistin gibt's, glaube ich, Umwege und Dinge, wo wir gesagt haben, weiß ich nicht, ob wir die jetzt schon mitgehen, das haben wir, glaube ich, erst mal nicht gemacht.",{"text":42583,"start":16491,"end":16514},"Aber ja, das ist halt Katz und Maus, ne.",{"text":42585,"start":16514,"end":16550},"Also klar, wenn die Daten irgendwo herkommen, dann können wir die vielleicht auch irgendwo herholen.",141,{"sentences":42588,"speaker":179,"num_words":42394,"start":16554,"end":16787},[42589,42590,42591,42593,42595],{"text":5253,"start":16554,"end":16555},{"text":5253,"start":16555,"end":16558},{"text":42592,"start":16558,"end":16575},"Also bei Armino Neu war's ähnlich.",{"text":42594,"start":16578,"end":16591},"Das hat lange Zeit irgendwie funktioniert.",{"text":42596,"start":16591,"end":16787},"Ich glaube, ich weiß gar nicht, ob das war Anfang des Jahres oder so was haben die glaube ich auch irgendwas umgestellt und man muss immer sich son Token auch irgendwie generieren und dann gibt's son lustiges Skript, was irgendwo auf sonem GitHub Account liegt und wenn Du das irgendwie ausführst, dann Glück hast, dann öffnet sich die richtige Browserseite und dann wird da irgendwo an der Konsole irgend 'n Key ausgelesen, der dann ein bisschen dafür sorgt.",{"sentences":42598,"speaker":179,"num_words":41864,"start":16791,"end":16810},[42599],{"text":42600,"start":16791,"end":16810},"Das ganze Ding wieder mit deinem Auto sprechen kann.",{"sentences":42602,"speaker":2678,"num_words":736,"start":16812,"end":16964},[42603,42605,42607,42609],{"text":42604,"start":16812,"end":16855},"Aber irgendwie ist der ja auf jeden Fall sehr, ich mein, sehr interessante Produktstrategie von VW so, ne.",{"text":42606,"start":16855,"end":16889},"Ich mein, kann doch im Endeffekt von diesem Fahrzeughersteller nicht das Ziel sein.",{"text":42608,"start":16889,"end":16954},"Also kann's schon irgendwie, weißt Du, wie war eine komische Vorstellung, dass Du einfach jegliche Komponenten von denen in deinem Haus hast, nur dann geht es so.",{"text":42610,"start":16954,"end":16964},"Also ich das das",{"sentences":42612,"speaker":158,"num_words":41992,"start":16966,"end":17236},[42613,42615,42617,42619,42621],{"text":42614,"start":16966,"end":17020},"Ja, also es es gibt ja auch, also ich kann über Third Party Services auch teilweise welche, wo ich mich privat anmelden kann.",{"text":42616,"start":17020,"end":17097},"Also es gibt so so Fahrzeugaggregatoren quasi, da kann ich mir 'n Account machen, da bezahl ich den monatlich, was auch immer, Betrag x, 5 Euro oder irgendwie so was.",{"text":42618,"start":17100,"end":17124},"Und dann haben die haben die genau diese B2B Deals, ne?",{"text":42620,"start":17124,"end":17201},"Das heißt, ich kann dann da mich dann connecten mit VW, das heißt, meine VW Daten gehen an diesen Third Party Händler Portal Fahrzeugding, die macht ja noch 'n Fahrtenbuch rum.",{"text":42622,"start":17201,"end":17236},"Die haben noch mehr Funktionen, als dass die nur API Sachen durchreicht, ne?",{"sentences":42624,"speaker":158,"num_words":41834,"start":17236,"end":17388},[42625,42627,42629,42631],{"text":42626,"start":17236,"end":17271},"Aber diese Wege gibt's natürlich auch und also TRONITY ist irgendwie son Name, ne?",{"text":42628,"start":17271,"end":17285},"Die und die integrieren wir auch.",{"text":42630,"start":17285,"end":17299},"Das heißt, wenn Du sagst Ja.",{"text":42632,"start":17301,"end":17388},"Ich will das über diesen Weg machen, dann kannst Du dann auch einfach die Datenquelle bei E-V-C-reinhängen und wie dann, wo dann die Daten originär herkommen, ist dann erst mal auf unserer Seite egal, genau.",{"sentences":42634,"speaker":2678,"num_words":42637,"start":17388,"end":17441},[42635],{"text":42636,"start":17388,"end":17441},"Okay, also das war jetzt grad mein Denken, ne klar, Sie wollen einfach 'nem B2B Partner irgendwie mit mit",19,{"sentences":42639,"speaker":158,"num_words":42546,"start":17444,"end":17582},[42640,42642,42644],{"text":42641,"start":17444,"end":17538},"Das ist meine, also wir haben mit ganz vielen Einzelpersonen gesprochen und da hat man auch immer das Gefühl, okay, die verstehen das teilweise, nutzen das auch selber und sie nervt uns auch, aber ja, wir auch mal.",{"text":42643,"start":17538,"end":17569},"Also nee, ich glaube, es sind letztendlich sind es Firmen Entscheidungen.",{"text":42645,"start":17572,"end":17582},"Und kannst Sie noch kurz",{"sentences":42647,"speaker":2678,"num_words":42637,"start":17582,"end":17627},[42648,42650],{"text":42649,"start":17582,"end":17622},"über die Use Cases erzählen, was man eigentlich, also was macht man denn eigentlich mit dieser Autoschnittstelle?",{"text":42651,"start":17622,"end":17627},"Du hast",{"sentences":42653,"speaker":179,"num_words":41859,"start":17627,"end":17646},[42654],{"text":42655,"start":17627,"end":17646},"jetzt gemeint, klar, bei dem Tesla, dem kann",{"sentences":42657,"speaker":2678,"num_words":42666,"start":17646,"end":17822},[42658,42660,42662,42664],{"text":42659,"start":17646,"end":17744},"ich irgendwie sagen, jetzt fangen wir an zu laden, laden wir mit so und so viel, aber theoretisch, also das ist ja typischerweise bei allen anderen Fahrzeugen, dann die Wallbox, die ihr da steuert und diese Informationen mit gebt.",{"text":42661,"start":17744,"end":17773},"Was holt ihr euch dann oder was macht ihr mit den Fahrzeuginformationen?",{"text":42663,"start":17777,"end":17803},"Batterie, Ladestand hast Du ja schon mal gemeint so, aber Genau.",{"text":42665,"start":17805,"end":17822},"Gibt's noch andere Use Case oder ist das...",70,{"sentences":42668,"speaker":158,"num_words":42679,"start":17824,"end":18173},[42669,42671,42673,42675,42677],{"text":42670,"start":17824,"end":17874},"Also das ist eigentlich die kritische Information, weil wenn wir den Fahrzeugstand kennen, können wir halt schlaue Dinge machen.",{"text":42672,"start":17874,"end":17919},"Dann kann man so was bauen wie, das Fahrzeug ist jetzt mit 5 Prozent an die Wallbox angeschlossen worden.",{"text":42674,"start":17922,"end":18024},"Normalerweise steht das irgendwie auf, mach nur, wenn PV Überschuss da ist, aber vielleicht, also zumindest bei mir hab ich's so konfiguriert, dass ich gesagt hab, okay, das Geld optimieren und PV optimieren ist mir erst mal egal, wenn das Auto so leer ist, ne.",{"text":42676,"start":18024,"end":18155},"Also auch Akku Langlebigkeit, man soll die auch nicht so lange so leer rumstehen lassen, wie auch immer und aber auch Mindestreichweite, wenn dann irgendwas ist, irgendjemand ruft an, dann will ich trotzdem irgendwie in der Lage sein, so, keine Ahnung, 50 Kilometer mit dem Auto fahren zu können, ohne drüber nachzudenken.",{"text":42678,"start":18158,"end":18173},"Das heißt, solche Funktionen können wir einbauen.",142,{"sentences":42681,"speaker":158,"num_words":736,"start":18173,"end":18331},[42682,42684,42686,42688,42690],{"text":42683,"start":18173,"end":18221},"Das heißt, wir stecken an im Moment des Ansteckens, checken wir das Auto, wie voll bist Du grade?",{"text":42685,"start":18221,"end":18250},"Okay, Du bist, kleine Ahnung, kleiner als 5, kleiner 20 Prozent.",{"text":42687,"start":18250,"end":18286},"Dann machen wir dich erst mal so schnell wie es geht, voll auf 20 Prozent.",{"text":42689,"start":18288,"end":18317},"Und danach fangen wir an mit PV Überschussladen und 'n bisschen reduzieren.",{"text":42691,"start":18317,"end":18331},"Das heißt, das ist ein Anwendungsfall.",{"sentences":42693,"speaker":158,"num_words":42704,"start":18335,"end":18711},[42694,42696,42698,42700,42702],{"text":42695,"start":18335,"end":18365},"Und andere Anwendungsfall sind halt so regelmäßige oder so planerische Sachen, ne.",{"text":42697,"start":18365,"end":18399},"Also mit, keine Ahnung, ich mach morgen irgendwie 'n Ausrufe, morgen nach Hamburg.",{"text":42699,"start":18402,"end":18466},"Dann stell ich 'n ivcc ein, okay, morgen 8 Uhr guck mal, dass Du das Auto irgendwie voll machst, 100 Prozent oder irgendwie so was, ne.",{"text":42701,"start":18466,"end":18508},"Dann kann dann der unser Planungsalgorithmus halt überlegen, gut, was kommt da heute über Tag noch rein?",{"text":42703,"start":18508,"end":18711},"Wir haben eine PV Vorhersage, müssen wir nachts, wenn ich 'n Dynamische Stromtarif hab, kann man sich da noch günstige Slots raussuchen oder selbst wenn ich keinen Dynamische Stromtarif hab, können wir uns die c-o-zwei-neutralsten oder c-o-zwei- ärmsten Slots quasi raussuchen und sagen, okay, dann will ich zumindest zu grünen Stunden laden und muss jetzt nicht abends, wenn alle irgendwie ausm Netz ziehen und dann noch irgendwie die Gaskraftwerke anlaufen, noch mein Auto mit da reinhängen, ne.",145,{"sentences":42706,"speaker":158,"num_words":41854,"start":18713,"end":18893},[42707,42709,42711,42713,42715],{"text":42708,"start":18713,"end":18743},"Genau, solche so Optimierungen gehen halt, wenn wir das Delta wissen, ne.",{"text":42710,"start":18743,"end":18760},"Wenn wir wissen, wo willst Du eigentlich hin?",{"text":42712,"start":18760,"end":18774},"Wie viel Energie brauchst Du eigentlich?",{"text":42714,"start":18774,"end":18866},"So der Standardmove ist ja sonst, Du steckst es an, das Auto lädt einfach die ganze Zeit auf voller Geschwindigkeit und isst dann jemand voll, weil's nicht mehr mag oder weil's dann voll ist und und fertig.",{"text":42716,"start":18869,"end":18893},"Das heißt, da sehen wir's von außen dann ja nicht, ja.",{"sentences":42718,"speaker":158,"num_words":41952,"start":18896,"end":19112},[42719,42721,42723,42725,42727],{"text":42720,"start":18896,"end":18947},"Genau, die Alternative, wenn Du keine Fahrzeugschnittstelle hast, dann können wir das mit der Energiemenge auch manuell machen, ne.",{"text":42722,"start":18947,"end":19021},"Das heißt, Du kannst es anschließen und dann sag ich nicht, morgens, Du sollst das Auto auf 100 Prozent laden, sondern zu morgen früh mach mal 50 Kilowattstunden obendrauf.",{"text":42724,"start":19025,"end":19045},"Das heißt, ich muss aber wissen, wie voll ist das?",{"text":42726,"start":19045,"end":19050},"Wie voll...",{"text":42728,"start":19050,"end":19112},"Also ich muss dann diese diesen Dreisatz quasi im Kopf vollziehen und wenn genau, wenn wenn der Computer das machen kann, ist das immer schöner.",{"sentences":42730,"speaker":158,"num_words":42020,"start":19112,"end":19125},[42731],{"text":42732,"start":19112,"end":19125},"Muss man weniger drüber nachdenken.",{"sentences":42734,"speaker":179,"num_words":41779,"start":19128,"end":19154},[42735,42737],{"text":42736,"start":19128,"end":19136},"Ja, auf jeden Fall.",{"text":42738,"start":19136,"end":19154},"Ja cool, das heißt, dann haben 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Wärmepumpen haben, ist etwas, das nennt sich SG ready.",{"text":42759,"start":19378,"end":19406},"Das heißt also, das ist ein sehr einfaches Protokoll in Anführungszeichen.",{"sentences":42761,"speaker":158,"num_words":41672,"start":19409,"end":19653},[42762,42764,42766,42768,42770],{"text":42763,"start":19409,"end":19491},"Man hat da hinten son paar elektrische Kontakte und wenn man die in bestimmter Art überbrückt oder einen Schalter zwischen den beiden schließt, dann kann man die in sonen Modus versetzen.",{"text":42765,"start":19491,"end":19541},"Das sind, also spannend, für uns sind eigentlich 2 Modi am Boost Modus, wo man der Wärmepumpe sagen kann.",{"text":42767,"start":19541,"end":19574},"Übrigens, falls Du grade was zu tun hättest, jetzt wär 'n geiler Zeitpunkt.",{"text":42769,"start":19574,"end":19601},"Wir haben Überschuss da, Strom ist total billig, was auch immer.",{"text":42771,"start":19603,"end":19653},"Jetzt könntest Du voll Gas geben und keine Ahnung, das Warmwasser für morgens zum Duschen schon mal irgendwie voll machen.",{"sentences":42773,"speaker":158,"num_words":42784,"start":19656,"end":19915},[42774,42776,42778,42780,42782],{"text":42775,"start":19656,"end":19711},"Und der andersrum Weg ist ein, das kommen wir eher so in den Regulierungsbereich, dass Du bei neuen Anlagen auch eine Dimmfähigkeit brauchst.",{"text":42777,"start":19711,"end":19767},"Das heißt, der Netzbetreiber kann dir sagen, übrigens ist grade schwierig hier, machen wir alle regelbaren Verbraucher irgendwie auf Spafflamme quasi.",{"text":42779,"start":19767,"end":19863},"Das heißt, da können wir an den an die Wärmepumpe auch 'n Dimm Signal schicken, also da dann den den Dimm Modus aktivieren und dann fährt die so weit runter, wie man das vorher einmal eingestellt hat.",{"text":42781,"start":19863,"end":19891},"Geht bei Oneboxen auch, da steuern wir das dann halt direkt.",{"text":42783,"start":19893,"end":19915},"Genau, aber das SD ready Ding ist der einfachste Fall.",102,{"sentences":42786,"speaker":158,"num_words":42791,"start":19915,"end":19993},[42787,42789],{"text":42788,"start":19915,"end":19963},"Das geht fast immer, weil ich brauch dann eigentlich nur son, keine Ahnung, irgend eine Art von steuerbares Relais, ne.",{"text":42790,"start":19963,"end":19993},"Das ist oft 'n Shelly oder irgendwas anderes, wo ich mit 'ner",32,{"sentences":42793,"speaker":179,"num_words":158,"start":19995,"end":19996},[42794],{"text":11117,"start":19995,"end":19996},{"sentences":42796,"speaker":158,"num_words":41929,"start":19996,"end":20062},[42797,42799,42800],{"text":42798,"start":19996,"end":20034},"mit 'ner API oder so was sagen kann, hier Du, mach mal auf, mach mal zu.",{"text":1301,"start":20034,"end":20038},{"text":42801,"start":20038,"end":20062},"Was dann halt heißt, mach mal dimmen oder mach mal Boost.",{"sentences":42803,"speaker":2678,"num_words":227,"start":20062,"end":20099},[42804,42806],{"text":42805,"start":20062,"end":20094},"Das heißt, da hänge aber ich wirklich an die Wärmepunkte Elektriker.",{"text":20096,"start":20098,"end":20099},{"sentences":42808,"speaker":158,"num_words":42561,"start":20099,"end":20141},[42809,42811,42812,42813,42814],{"text":42810,"start":20099,"end":20113},"Die machen da nichts anderes.",{"text":1226,"start":20113,"end":20116},{"text":1226,"start":20118,"end":20119},{"text":1226,"start":20119,"end":20123},{"text":42815,"start":20123,"end":20141},"Also ja, das muss man da gucken, ne.",{"sentences":42817,"speaker":158,"num_words":42679,"start":20141,"end":20497},[42818,42820,42822,42824,42826],{"text":42819,"start":20141,"end":20165},"Also das kann man dem Elektriker dann durchaus einbauen lassen.",{"text":42821,"start":20165,"end":20175},"Das kennen die aber.",{"text":42823,"start":20175,"end":20213},"Das ist das ist der Standardfall, wie man son SG ready Ding dann da benutzt.",{"text":42825,"start":20217,"end":20389},"Allerdings, was wir was wir auf der Wechsel, Quatsch, auf der auf der Wärmepumpenanlage grade sehen, ist, dass es da jetzt auch Firmen gibt, die dieses Walt Garden Ökosystem game spielen wollen, die halt sagen, ja, unsere Wärmepumpe, ich nenn jetzt hier keinen Hersteller, auch weil ich ihn nicht sicher weiß, aber könnt ihr euch nachgucken, sieht man an den Interationen immer, was man da da eingeben muss.",{"text":42827,"start":20389,"end":20497},"Du hast hier 'n Onlineaccount und über den Onlineaccount kannst Du dann auch sehen, was die Wärmepumpe grade tut und darüber kannst Du auf dieser Wärmepumpe die Signale geben und lokale Schnittstelle hat das Ding zum Beispiel gar nicht oder zumindest nicht 'ner nennenswerten Art.",{"sentences":42829,"speaker":158,"num_words":42840,"start":20497,"end":21031},[42830,42832,42834,42836,42838],{"text":42831,"start":20497,"end":20558},"Das heißt, da haben wir Wärmepumpen drin, wo wir dann halt son halt mit sonem, ja, mit dem mit der Cloud des Wärmepumpenbetreibers machen müssen.",{"text":42833,"start":20558,"end":20622},"Und das ist, also das ist aus Endnutzern Sicht nett, weil ich hab da irgendwie eine App und ich kann dann sehen, was macht meine Wärmepumpe da eigentlich?",{"text":42835,"start":20624,"end":20698},"Aber das als den primären Kanal für auch für lokale Steuerbarkeit zu haben, ist eher was, wo wir 'n bisschen von genervt sind, was was wir natürlich gerne anders hätten.",{"text":42837,"start":20701,"end":20830},"Genau, weil also bei Wärmepumpen habe ich das Gefühl, die sind jetzt relativ neu in, dass das passiert, aber da hab ich das Gefühl, die die spielen den, die sind deutlich cloudaffiner wie die normalen Wechselrichter oder Speichersysteme, wo eigentlich eine lokale Schnittstelle das eigentlich das ja das das Mehrminimum quasi ist, ne.",{"text":42839,"start":20830,"end":21031},"Auch da hatten wir jetzt 'n paar Player, ich glaub, Anker mit ihren ersten größeren Hausprodukten, also für Speicher und Wechselrichter haben sie auch gesagt, nee, wir machen das nur mit Cloud und da gab's, glaub ich, so viel Feedback, dass sie inzwischen auch eine lokale Stelle, ich weiß gar nicht, ob's 'n Modbus ist, aber mit denen können wir jetzt auch sprechen, ohne dass da Cloud Account drauf, einfach weil Nutzerfeedback oder Marktfeedback war, dass man das haben wollte.",216,{"sentences":42842,"speaker":179,"num_words":41979,"start":21031,"end":21059},[42843,42845,42846],{"text":42844,"start":21031,"end":21038},"Was Okay.",{"text":21043,"start":21041,"end":21042},{"text":42847,"start":21045,"end":21059},"Und wenn Du jetzt den Use Case,",{"sentences":42849,"speaker":2678,"num_words":42854,"start":21059,"end":21150},[42850,42852],{"text":42851,"start":21059,"end":21131},"also Du hattest jetzt SD Ready erklärt, so wenn wenn man irgendwie 'n Shelly oder irgendwas anderes dranhängt, da hab nur 2 Relais, diese 2 Zustände zu versetzen.",{"text":42853,"start":21131,"end":21150},"Wenn's jetzt aber den Cloud Zugang gibt,",35,{"sentences":42856,"speaker":179,"num_words":42020,"start":21152,"end":21164},[42857],{"text":42858,"start":21152,"end":21164},"wie wird die inwiefern steuert",{"sentences":42860,"speaker":2678,"num_words":41683,"start":21164,"end":21224},[42861,42863,42865],{"text":42862,"start":21164,"end":21179},"ihr die Wärmepumpe dann noch smarter?",{"text":42864,"start":21179,"end":21189},"Also was gibt's Ja.",{"text":42866,"start":21191,"end":21224},"Gibt's für Use Cases so, wie wie wie man das noch oft weiter optimieren kann?",{"sentences":42868,"speaker":158,"num_words":41672,"start":21227,"end":21461},[42869,42870,42872,42874,42876],{"text":1226,"start":21227,"end":21228},{"text":42871,"start":21228,"end":21285},"Also da also da gibt's teilweise bei mir 'n Punkt, wo wir auch wirklich Leistungsvorgaben oder Leistungsempfehlungen halt rausgeben können, ne.",{"text":42873,"start":21285,"end":21357},"Nicht nur einen, machen wir jetzt mehr, machen wir jetzt weniger, sondern wir können der sagen, jetzt wären übrigens 5 Kilowatt an Leistung wären jetzt grade verfügbar.",{"text":42875,"start":21360,"end":21442},"Die darfst Du jetzt nehmen und dann geht die auch nicht in 8 Kilowatt Modus, wo sie dann doch wieder ausm Netz nachziehen würde, was wir ja in 'nem anderen Fall nicht wirklich steuern können, ne.",{"text":42877,"start":21442,"end":21461},"Da können wir nur sagen, mach oder mach nicht.",{"sentences":42879,"speaker":158,"num_words":42888,"start":21463,"end":21616},[42880,42882,42884,42886],{"text":42881,"start":21463,"end":21554},"Und wir können natürlich für uns in der Konfiguration noch angeben, was mach oder mach nicht ungefähr bedeutet bei dem Gerät, ne, sodass wir son bisschen wissen, wann wann macht das Sinn, wann macht das keinen Sinn, das schon zu tun.",{"text":42883,"start":21554,"end":21568},"Aber genau, bei den Geräten, die...",{"text":42885,"start":21568,"end":21590},"Das muss nicht zählen in der Cloudsteuerung gehen.",{"text":42887,"start":21590,"end":21616},"Wir haben auch wirklich die lokalen Schnittstellen haben, wo wir",65,{"sentences":42890,"speaker":179,"num_words":41627,"start":21616,"end":21629},[42891,42893],{"text":42892,"start":21616,"end":21623},"das machen können.",{"text":42894,"start":21623,"end":21629},"Da können wir",{"sentences":42896,"speaker":158,"num_words":42901,"start":21629,"end":21775},[42897,42899],{"text":42898,"start":21629,"end":21681},"halt 'n Leistungswert hingeben und dann sagen, das ist das das, was jetzt grade verfügbar wäre und nimm nimm das mal bitte.",{"text":42900,"start":21681,"end":21775},"Oder wenn Strom günstig ist, sagen wir halt hier, reizt mal aus, was Du machen kannst zum Beispiel, ne, weil wir jetzt grade gar gar kein Überschusslimit haben, sondern einfach eine gute Zeit wäre, jetzt so viel wie möglich zu benutzen.",63,{"sentences":42903,"speaker":2678,"num_words":41683,"start":21775,"end":21839},[42904,42906],{"text":42905,"start":21775,"end":21825},"Das heißt aber, wenn ihr jetzt eine Wärmepumpe sagt, mach mal 5 Kilowatt, das heißt dann, andere entscheiden aber die Werbepumpe.",{"text":42907,"start":21825,"end":21839},"Also beispielsweise Ja, genau.",{"sentences":42909,"speaker":179,"num_words":42912,"start":21842,"end":21890},[42910],{"text":42911,"start":21842,"end":21890},"Kann ja sein, es ist schon es ist schon warm in meinem Haus und ich will es nicht noch wärmer haben.",21,{"sentences":42914,"speaker":2678,"num_words":41678,"start":21890,"end":21942},[42915],{"text":42916,"start":21890,"end":21942},"Das heißt ja nicht nur, weil jetzt Energie da ist, dass mein Haus jetzt 3 Grad wärmer werden soll, ich's eigentlich haben will.",{"sentences":42918,"speaker":158,"num_words":41992,"start":21942,"end":22211},[42919,42921,42923,42925,42927],{"text":42920,"start":21942,"end":21947},"Genau, richtig.",{"text":42922,"start":21947,"end":22005},"Also bei Werbepumpen, die in der Regel haben die 'n Puffer, ne, also fast immer haben die 'n Puffer und der wird aufgeheizt.",{"text":42924,"start":22005,"end":22031},"Das steuert jetzt nicht das Raumthermostat oder so was, ne.",{"text":42926,"start":22031,"end":22145},"Und bei den Wärmepumpen ist es auch fast, ne, ist es auch schließlich so, dass wir da eine Leistungsempfehlung geben, also entweder binär über diesen Boost oder halt über, das wäre jetzt verfügbar und das, was die Wärmepumpe dann eigentlich macht, ist dann ihre Aufgabe, ne.",{"text":42928,"start":22145,"end":22211},"Also wir fahren das Ding jetzt nicht irgendwie aktiv irgendwie hoch und sagen, mach mal halt deine Heizstäbe an oder benutzt mal irgendwas, obwohl das grade Mhm.",{"sentences":42930,"speaker":158,"num_words":41847,"start":22213,"end":22413},[42931,42933,42934,42936,42938],{"text":42932,"start":22213,"end":22253},"Vielleicht gar nicht gebraucht ist oder in dem normalen Jahreszeitprofile Außentemperatur total unangebracht wäre.",{"text":1226,"start":22256,"end":22257},{"text":42935,"start":22257,"end":22307},"Und die andere Variante davon, wo wir Wärmeerzeugen sind, ich hab mir jetzt, ich hab wär mir sone Pelletsheizung.",{"text":42937,"start":22311,"end":22351},"Wir haben sonen großen Wasserspeicher und ich hab jetzt vor 2, 3 Jahren dann Heizstab einbauen lassen.",{"text":42939,"start":22351,"end":22413},"Einfach im Sommer, jetzt grade ist die Pelletheizung halt aus und die ist, was auch immer, schau ich wahrscheinlich auch erst im Oktober wieder an.",{"sentences":42941,"speaker":158,"num_words":42952,"start":22413,"end":22687},[42942,42944,42946,42948,42950],{"text":42943,"start":22413,"end":22487},"Und jetzt grade ist da son Heizstab drin und der macht halt, wenn PV Überschuss da ist, macht der einfach aus aus elektrischer Energie einfach Wärme, ne, und heizt diesen Wasserspeicher auf.",{"text":42945,"start":22487,"end":22505},"Und den steuern wir dann sehr direkt.",{"text":42947,"start":22507,"end":22587},"Das heißt, da sagen wir wirklich, also hat man in der Regel eine Rückkopplung über son Temperaturfühler, ne, dass man so bestimmte Grenzen eineneilt, das die sollten da wirklich ein Gerät sein.",{"text":42949,"start":22589,"end":22659},"Dass wenn irgendwie viele Funktionen 'n E-V-CC ist, dass das nicht dazu führt, dass das Wasser auf einmal anfängt zu kochen, obwohl es das nicht sollte, ne.",{"text":42951,"start":22659,"end":22687},"Das ist immer so so Bassline, dass das Gerät das können muss.",110,{"sentences":42954,"speaker":158,"num_words":42075,"start":22689,"end":22902},[42955,42957,42958],{"text":42956,"start":22689,"end":22825},"Genau, aber das jetzt hier ist es grade so, wenn das Auto nicht da ist und irgendwie Schauspieler voll sind, dann springt halt der Heizstab an, so als Letztesverwerter, bevor wir einspeisen, weil's dann immer noch 'n bisschen günstiger ist, dann einfach Wärme daraus zu machen, als dann für 7 Cent oder so was rauszugeben.",{"text":1226,"start":22829,"end":22830},{"text":42959,"start":22830,"end":22902},"Und da ist es aber so, dass genau, dass wir direkt die Leistung an dem Heizstab einstellen und der dann auch diese Leistung quasi mitmacht, solange er in seinem Temperaturbereich ist.",{"sentences":42961,"speaker":2678,"num_words":42964,"start":22904,"end":22965},[42962],{"text":42963,"start":22904,"end":22965},"Jetzt hast Du noch Fragen zu zu diesem Punkt der Theorie und sonst mach ich in meinem Kopf schon eine andere Kategorie auf an nächsten Fragen.",26,{"sentences":42966,"speaker":179,"num_words":227,"start":22968,"end":23000},[42967],{"text":42968,"start":22968,"end":23000},"Ja, also ich mein, ist ja keine jetzt persönliche Produktberatung grade, aber...",{"sentences":42970,"speaker":2678,"num_words":2678,"start":23003,"end":23009},[42971],{"text":42972,"start":23003,"end":23009},"Das Dingelstrackerweg.",{"sentences":42974,"speaker":179,"num_words":2678,"start":23013,"end":23017},[42975],{"text":42976,"start":23013,"end":23017},"Es es",{"sentences":42978,"speaker":158,"num_words":41974,"start":23017,"end":23029},[42979],{"text":42980,"start":23017,"end":23029},"kann kein Jingle, aber...",{"sentences":42982,"speaker":179,"num_words":41627,"start":23031,"end":23047},[42983],{"text":42984,"start":23031,"end":23047},"Die, also ich hab, so Fragen",{"sentences":42986,"speaker":2678,"num_words":42020,"start":23047,"end":23060},[42987],{"text":42988,"start":23047,"end":23060},"habe ich auch noch, auf",{"sentences":42990,"speaker":179,"num_words":43001,"start":23060,"end":23255},[42991,42993,42995,42997,42999],{"text":42992,"start":23060,"end":23078},"wen Du's nicht damit wünscht.",{"text":42994,"start":23078,"end":23162},"Nein, das Ding ist, also ich, wie wie gesagt, ich hab ja, ne, ich hab zu Hause alles Mögliche an an diesen Komponenten, mittlerweile auch eine Wärmepumpe, PV Anlage, Elektroauto Wallbox, soweit vorhanden.",{"text":42996,"start":23166,"end":23174},"Dynamischer Stromtarif auch.",{"text":42998,"start":23178,"end":23241},"Bisher Tibber, ab jetzt eben 1.5 Grad direkt, weil meine Wärmepumpe von 1.5 Grad ist und ich jetzt erst mal gucken wollte, was die denn machen.",{"text":43000,"start":23241,"end":23255},"In dem Sinne auch HardBeat jetzt.",73,{"sentences":43003,"speaker":179,"num_words":43014,"start":23255,"end":23690},[43004,43006,43008,43010,43012],{"text":43005,"start":23255,"end":23314},"Das wird aber jetzt am ersten Oktober aktiviert, von daher bin ich mal gespannt, wie Smart oder welche Optimierungen da rausgeholt werden können.",{"text":43007,"start":23314,"end":23393},"Und irgendwie in meinem Kopf, vielleicht hab ich auch noch nicht lange genug drüber nachgedacht, bin ich mir auch noch nicht so richtig sicher, wo ich denn jetzt am Ende welche Steuerung haben will.",{"text":43009,"start":23393,"end":23583},"Denn als wir das Haus gekauft haben und umgebaut haben vor 5 Jahren oder so was, hab ich zusätzlich, kennt Fabio auch noch die Geschichten von Kontrollen, sone Heizungssteuerung, eine smarte Heizungssteuerung, die praktisch jeden einzelnen Heizkreis mit Sensoren überwacht bei der Fußbodenheizung und sonst jeden Heizkörper einen Funkthermostat hat, wo genau also in beide Richtungen praktisch Temperaturen zurückkommen und Temperaturen gesetzt werden, die denn da sein sollen.",{"text":43011,"start":23586,"end":23630},"Und irgendwie frag ich mich jetzt in diesem ganzen Setup, diese Information fehlt ja eigentlich noch in beiden Systemen.",{"text":43013,"start":23630,"end":23690},"Sowohl 1.5 Grad weiß das im Moment noch nicht, als auch EVCC weiß das nicht so richtig, was denn eigentlich der tatsächliche Bedarf 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Zustand?",{"sentences":43065,"speaker":158,"num_words":42132,"start":24361,"end":24570},[43066,43068,43070,43072,43074],{"text":43067,"start":24361,"end":24389},"Und wie kauf ich möglichst wenig Strom ein und was auch immer.",{"text":43069,"start":24389,"end":24419},"Das also das ist total einfach, weil das ist irgendwie vorhersagbar, ne.",{"text":43071,"start":24419,"end":24486},"Das Auto verliert irgendwie eigentlich keine keine Energie, dass es irgendwie geht immer nur in die eine Richtung, wenn da was reinmachst, dann wird das irgendwie voller.",{"text":43073,"start":24486,"end":24530},"Beim Hausspeicher ist auch total vorhersehbar was passiert und das ist bei, genau, bei Wärme halt nicht so, ne.",{"text":43075,"start":24530,"end":24570},"Da da packst Du was rein und duscht immer, dann ist das wieder weniger als vorher.",{"sentences":43077,"speaker":158,"num_words":43088,"start":24572,"end":24884},[43078,43080,43082,43084,43086],{"text":43079,"start":24572,"end":24589},"Und dann musst Du wieder mehr reinpacken.",{"text":43081,"start":24589,"end":24639},"Und dann ist auf einmal superkalt morgen und dann ist auch wieder weniger als vorher und dann musst Du noch mehr reinpacken.",{"text":43083,"start":24641,"end":24739},"Und da gibt es genau Ideen, jetzt auch unterschiedliche Modelle, die man dann auswählen kann, abhängig davon, ob ich 'n Heizstab oder eine Wärmepumpe oder einen anderen Wärmeerzeuger da hab, die genau das modellieren, wo wir jetzt wir tracken inzwischen nach Außentemperatur.",{"text":43085,"start":24743,"end":24834},"Also man kann das mal an einen Außentemperatur Tarif in Anführungszeichen also hinzufügen, das heißt, ihn Wetterdienst anbinden und sagen, okay, wird wir im Viertelstundentakt quasi haben wir jetzt auch eine Vorhersage für Temperaturkurven.",{"text":43087,"start":24837,"end":24884},"Das heißt, wir wissen, wir haben sone Annahme, das aktuell noch konstant, ne, was was so die Innenhaustemperatur 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ne.",{"text":43100,"start":25164,"end":25183},"Also in die Art Optimierung geht es.",118,{"sentences":43103,"speaker":158,"num_words":41779,"start":25183,"end":25214},[43104],{"text":43105,"start":25183,"end":25214},"Das ist aktuell noch nix Gemerget, sondern nichts festes, aber da",{"sentences":43107,"speaker":179,"num_words":158,"start":25214,"end":25216},[43108],{"text":431,"start":25214,"end":25216},{"sentences":43110,"speaker":158,"num_words":41974,"start":25216,"end":25230},[43111,43113],{"text":43112,"start":25216,"end":25223},"gibt's genau.",{"text":43114,"start":25226,"end":25230},"Okay und",{"sentences":43116,"speaker":179,"num_words":42561,"start":25230,"end":25273},[43117],{"text":43118,"start":25230,"end":25273},"das basiert dann auf historischen Verbrauchsdaten oder kommen Temperaturdaten aus dem Haus auch in das System?",{"sentences":43120,"speaker":158,"num_words":43130,"start":25276,"end":25529},[43121,43123,43125,43126,43128],{"text":43122,"start":25276,"end":25386},"Also die die Soll Innentemperatur ist in dem, also ich hab jetzt den den letzten Stand vom PR nicht im Kopf, aber ich glaube, da haben wir eine 1 fixe 20 Grad oder so was angenommen, dann die Differenz innen, außen zu modellieren.",{"text":43124,"start":25389,"end":25422},"Und da sind auch jetzt keine Hausmodelle und Dämmung oder irgendwie so was drin.",{"text":1301,"start":25422,"end":25424},{"text":43127,"start":25427,"end":25443},"Und auch nicht auf Raumebene, ne.",{"text":43129,"start":25443,"end":25529},"Nicht, wo ich jetzt sehe, wie wie Du sagst, Du hast eine smarte Heizungssteuerung und wenn die jetzt sagt, das Untergeschoss soll irgendwie 3 Grad wärmer werden, das das ist darin jetzt erst mal nicht abgebildet.",100,{"sentences":43132,"speaker":179,"num_words":42020,"start":25532,"end":25547},[43133,43134,43135,43137],{"text":1301,"start":25532,"end":25533},{"text":1887,"start":25533,"end":25536},{"text":43136,"start":25538,"end":25543},"Ja, spannend.",{"text":11256,"start":25546,"end":25547},{"sentences":43139,"speaker":2678,"num_words":42952,"start":25549,"end":25821},[43140,43142,43144,43146,43148],{"text":43141,"start":25549,"end":25716},"Dann was mich 'n bisschen interessieren würde jetzt weg von, vielleicht 'n bisschen weg vom Produkt hin zu, wie ihr das Ganze denn so entwickelt, wenn wir haben ja schon das häufige Mal auch Leute da gehabt, die mit Open Source Arbeit ihren Alltag bestreiten und daraus ihren ihren mich würd mal interessieren so, wie sieht dein Alltag aus, in diesem Dreierteam an diesem Open Source Projekt zu arbeiten?",{"text":43143,"start":25716,"end":25742},"Also wie, kannst Du kannst Du uns voran hören?",{"text":43145,"start":25742,"end":25775},"Wie sieht eine typische Woche für dich aus, wenn Du an sonem Produkt arbeitest?",{"text":43147,"start":25779,"end":25804},"Gibt es sone typische Woche oder wie wie organisiert ihr euch?",{"text":43149,"start":25804,"end":25821},"Was was wie läuft euer Alltag ab?",{"sentences":43151,"speaker":158,"num_words":43162,"start":25824,"end":26201},[43152,43154,43156,43158,43160],{"text":43153,"start":25824,"end":25881},"Ja, also ich also ich hab ja ich hab früher relativ früh gesagt, eigentlich möchte ich das in in Daylight quasi machen, ne.",{"text":43155,"start":25881,"end":25951},"Also ich bin auch samstags und und sorg teilweise auch so das nachmittags, wenn ich das ergibt oder so was dann dadran und mach da Dinge.",{"text":43157,"start":25953,"end":26008},"Ich probier aber in der Tat möglichst viel halt in die Woche, in die in die normalen Zeiten für mich quasi zu verlegen.",{"text":43159,"start":26012,"end":26118},"Was für mich son bisschen, also oder anders, was bei sonem Open Source Projekt son bisschen asynchron ist, also die die meisten Leute sind dann doch irgendwie nach Feierabend dann unterwegs und machen da Dinge oder am Wochenende hat man dann Samstag Zeit, Dinge auszuprobieren.",{"text":43161,"start":26121,"end":26201},"Das heißt, ich bin son bisschen vielleicht der der Outlyer bei uns, also die anderen beiden Core Team Leute haben, also die die können sich in den Randzeiten mehr mehr organisieren.",148,{"sentences":43164,"speaker":158,"num_words":42244,"start":26201,"end":26442},[43165,43167,43169,43171,43173],{"text":43166,"start":26201,"end":26231},"Das ist aber ganz gut, also das ergänz sich da ganz gut.",{"text":43168,"start":26231,"end":26288},"Das heißt, das ist also gibt dann so unterschiedlichen Zeiten, mal unterschiedliche Leute, die zuerst auf E-Shos reagieren zum Beispiel und da Dinge machen.",{"text":43170,"start":26290,"end":26332},"Aber genau, also 'n Großteil der Arbeit ist in der Tat, also E-Shirts, die reinkommen, sich angucken.",{"text":43172,"start":26332,"end":26395},"Inzwischen haben wir auch eBay Bot, der nicht nur sagt, ist gutes schlechtes ist, sondern wirklich auch teilweise PS erzeugt und und Dinge macht.",{"text":43174,"start":26395,"end":26442},"Also da hat es Mega Hilfe, aber die Menge an Input, die komplett auch größer dementsprechend.",{"sentences":43176,"speaker":158,"num_words":43187,"start":26445,"end":26861},[43177,43179,43181,43183,43185],{"text":43178,"start":26445,"end":26487},"Das heißt, das ist so auf allen Seiten, levelt sich so der der der Durchfluss hoch.",{"text":43180,"start":26487,"end":26510},"Da muss man 'n bisschen gucken, wie wir damit umgehen.",{"text":43182,"start":26513,"end":26530},"Genau, aber auch auch PRs angucken, ne.",{"text":43184,"start":26530,"end":26754},"Leute, die jetzt schon irgendwas relativ weit gebaut haben, das mit der Temperatur zum Beispiel, dass also sich dann da mal wirklich 'n Vormittag nehmen, das passiert man mir dann relativ häufig, wo ich dann probiere, so mir son Block zu nehmen und zu sagen, okay, den den und den, da möchte ich mich heute drum kümmern, möglichst mal nicht in die E-Shirts reingucken, sondern mir 'n Test Setup bauen und das Szenario nachbauen, was der Nutzer da beschreibt und zu gucken, macht das Sinn, hab ich noch eine andere Idee?",{"text":43186,"start":26758,"end":26861},"Und dann da Feedback zu geben oder zu ergänzen und dann auch, also wir haben relativ viel Sachen, die so in 'nem PR Status von so 80 Prozent geht irgendwie sind und die dann auch wirklich bis zum Ende mit Doku schreiben und was bedeutet das eigentlich?",171,{"sentences":43189,"speaker":158,"num_words":43200,"start":26861,"end":27095},[43190,43192,43194,43196,43198],{"text":43191,"start":26861,"end":26876},"Und haben wir Konflikt und so.",{"text":43193,"start":26876,"end":26936},"Also das so bis zum Ende durchzudeklinieren, dass wir dass wir die auch wirklich in Release reinpacken und dass Leute die dann auch finden und benutzen können.",{"text":43195,"start":26938,"end":26952},"Das ist 'n Großteil der der Arbeit.",{"text":43197,"start":26952,"end":27002},"Und dann hab ich immer noch mal eine lange Liste von Dinge, die ich eigentlich, die wir eigentlich mal machen sollten quasi, ne?",{"text":43199,"start":27004,"end":27095},"So mit, keine Ahnung, bessere Charts bauen und also ganz viele Sachen oder irgendwie die unsere Ladepunktübersicht noch mal überarbeiten, keine Verbraucher denen irgendwie mehr mehr Space zu geben, auch für Leute, die jetzt gar keine Wallbox haben.",101,{"sentences":43202,"speaker":158,"num_words":43213,"start":27095,"end":27471},[43203,43205,43207,43209,43211],{"text":43204,"start":27095,"end":27160},"Das ist einfach so als Energie Dashboard quasi zur Verfügung zu stellen, weil ganz viel von dem, was man dafür braucht, haben wir eigentlich, ne.",{"text":43206,"start":27160,"end":27222},"Nur dass wir 'n sehr starken Fokus auf Elektroauto, Überschussdaten und Wärme haben und jetzt so einfach nur Funksteckdosen, die ich zu Hause habe.",{"text":43208,"start":27222,"end":27308},"Da könnte das auch, also da ist es jetzt auch schon 'n geiles Tool für, aber ist nicht quasi beziehungsweise man man merkt das ein bisschen, dass das so der der Nachgedanke ist und darauf zu optimieren.",{"text":43210,"start":27308,"end":27390},"Das sind ja so Punkte, wo ich dann auch probiere, mir dafür explizit Zeit zu schaffen und zu sagen, okay, heute lässt Du das mal, guckst mal, dass Du da irgendwie 'n Stückchen weiterkommst.",{"text":43212,"start":27394,"end":27471},"Aber ja, es ist also sehr selbstbestimmt, aber auch ein bisschen sehr fremdbestimmt, weil halt viel über die die GitHub Signale quasi, ne, also E-Shure, PRs, die reinkommen, ja, auch reinkommt.",151,{"sentences":43215,"speaker":179,"num_words":41683,"start":27474,"end":27532},[43216,43218,43220],{"text":43217,"start":27474,"end":27495},"Und ihr zu dritt, wie organisiert ihr euch so?",{"text":43219,"start":27495,"end":27520},"Ist es so, seid ihr wirklich, seid ihr komplett dezentral so?",{"text":43221,"start":27520,"end":27532},"Trefft ihr euch regelmäßig oder?",{"sentences":43223,"speaker":158,"num_words":43233,"start":27532,"end":27899},[43224,43226,43228,43230,43231],{"text":43225,"start":27532,"end":27740},"Ja, wir haben wir hatten, das war ganz nett, wir haben Anfang des Jahres ein Nutzertreffen gehabt, User im Mai, glaube ich, ein 1 User Treffen im am Ruderverein in Osnabrück, die EVC 10 Nutzer sind und gesagt haben, mir falls ihr mal irgendwann Räumlichkeiten braucht, ne, wir hätten da was und dann haben wir gesagt, ja können wir uns vorstellen, dann kamen sie gleich mit Terminvorschläge die Ecke und dann ist das sehr schnell sehr konkret geworden, was aber sehr cool war.",{"text":43227,"start":27740,"end":27792},"Das heißt, da sind dann irgendwie aus Deutschland und umliegenden Ländern irgendwie 50, 60 Leute zusammengekommen und haben wir darüber gesprochen.",{"text":43229,"start":27792,"end":27846},"Da haben wir 3, deswegen erzähl ich das, uns dann auch zum ersten Mal in in Person quasi im gleichen Raum gesehen.",{"text":27852,"start":27849,"end":27850},{"text":43232,"start":27854,"end":27899},"Genau und sonst, also genau, Haupt Hauptkommunikation ist halt asynchron über die über Issues, über GitHub.",143,{"sentences":43235,"speaker":158,"num_words":43246,"start":27902,"end":28130},[43236,43238,43240,43242,43244],{"text":43237,"start":27902,"end":27924},"Dann haben wir dann auch irgendwie auch dann unsere Slackkanäle.",{"text":43239,"start":27928,"end":28047},"Und wir probieren einmal die Woche, meistens schaffen wir's alle 2 Wochen, uns danach wirklich ein, 2 Stunden Zeit zu nehmen, dann die Dinge, die man nicht so gut asynchron machen kann, wo's dann wirklich, also wo man weiß, okay, wir haben da unterschiedliche Meinungen zu, wir müssen's jetzt auf was einigen.",{"text":43241,"start":28047,"end":28092},"Das ist dann in Person, in 'nem in 'nem Telefonat oder was auch immer irgendwie da, ja.",{"text":43243,"start":28094,"end":28109},"Ist einfach effektiver, das so zu machen.",{"text":43245,"start":28109,"end":28130},"Das heißt, den den Kanal haben wir dann auch noch.",96,{"sentences":43248,"speaker":2678,"num_words":41920,"start":28130,"end":28166},[43249],{"text":43250,"start":28130,"end":28166},"Na krass, wirklich nur alle 1 bis 2 Wochen, das ist da son Kopf.",{"sentences":43252,"speaker":158,"num_words":42015,"start":28166,"end":28256},[43253,43255],{"text":43254,"start":28166,"end":28190},"Genau, wir haben kein Stand-up oder irgendwie sowas.",{"text":43256,"start":28190,"end":28256},"Das also das ist auch, also da kommt dieses Zeitding wieder 'n bisschen mit rein mit und dann, wenn die einen können, können die anderen nicht und so.",{"sentences":43258,"speaker":179,"num_words":41979,"start":28258,"end":28284},[43259,43260,43262],{"text":5253,"start":28258,"end":28259},{"text":43261,"start":28259,"end":28272},"Fabi, hast Du noch was?",{"text":43263,"start":28275,"end":28284},"Also ich find, das",{"sentences":43265,"speaker":2678,"num_words":42029,"start":28284,"end":28385},[43266,43268],{"text":43267,"start":28284,"end":28379},"Thema, was wir noch gar nicht aufgemacht hatten, Du hast es jetzt nur zwei-, dreimal genannt, aber es wird nicht zumindest noch für die die den die komplette Hardwarelandschaft von eurem von eurem EVCC noch fehlen.",{"text":42651,"start":28382,"end":28385},{"sentences":43270,"speaker":179,"num_words":41859,"start":28385,"end":28407},[43271],{"text":43272,"start":28385,"end":28407},"1 schon mal gelernt, dass smarte Steckdosen so",{"sentences":43274,"speaker":2678,"num_words":43279,"start":28407,"end":28477},[43275,43277],{"text":43276,"start":28407,"end":28422},"was jetzt irgendwie auch mit drin sind.",{"text":43278,"start":28422,"end":28477},"Also ist es das ist ist das die einzige Querierte Kategorie, die wir jetzt noch nicht angesprochen haben oder gibt es, wenn",29,{"sentences":43281,"speaker":179,"num_words":41779,"start":28477,"end":28504},[43282],{"text":43283,"start":28477,"end":28504},"Du jetzt auf smarte Steckdosen eingehst, gerne auch danach noch drauf",{"sentences":43285,"speaker":158,"num_words":41627,"start":28507,"end":28525},[43286],{"text":43287,"start":28507,"end":28525},"Gerade mit der Liege ist an.",{"sentences":43289,"speaker":179,"num_words":42791,"start":28529,"end":28626},[43290,43292],{"text":43291,"start":28529,"end":28573},"Aha, das ist sone das wär sone Shell, das ist sone Shell Ja, ja.",{"text":43293,"start":28576,"end":28626},"Die die grade noch nicht per Wheed Video zuschauen, hat er mich ja grade eine Shell Ja, ja.",{"sentences":43295,"speaker":2678,"num_words":41939,"start":28628,"end":28672},[43296,43297],{"text":1226,"start":28628,"end":28629},{"text":43298,"start":28629,"end":28672},"Die die grade noch nicht per Video zuschauen, hat er mich ja grad eine Shelly smarte Steckdose.",{"sentences":43300,"speaker":158,"num_words":42132,"start":28672,"end":28892},[43301,43303,43305,43307,43309],{"text":43302,"start":28672,"end":28685},"Genau, ein Plug in.",{"text":43304,"start":28689,"end":28742},"Ja, genau, also smarte Steckdosen, genau, haben wir auch im Programm, haben auch schon schon relativ früh kam kam der Bedarf, ne.",{"text":43306,"start":28742,"end":28825},"Also auch teilweise, weil wenn man das Auto jetzt nicht mit Volllast lädt, ist das auch so die die hemdsärmeligste Elektriker, sagt dann son bisschen, na, kann man machen, aber sollte man nicht machen.",{"text":43308,"start":28827,"end":28855},"Lösung, dann doch PV Überschuss zu laden, ohne dass man eine Wallbox hat.",{"text":43310,"start":28857,"end":28892},"Da muss man einmal aufpassen, dass sind die Steckkontakte und was auch Wärmeproduktion.",{"sentences":43312,"speaker":158,"num_words":1002,"start":28896,"end":29120},[43313,43315,43317,43319,43321],{"text":43314,"start":28896,"end":28960},"Aber genau, also ursprünglich so Schaltsteckdosen, dann halt Dinge laden zu können, also man kann ja auch, keine Ahnung, seine Werkzeugakkus mit PV Überstoß warten, ne.",{"text":43316,"start":28960,"end":29010},"Da ist nicht so viel Hub, also da passt nicht so viel rein, aber vom Prinzip geht das auch, ne.",{"text":43318,"start":29010,"end":29066},"Also wenn ich irgendwie eine 1 'n Ding habe, was ich dann abhängig von der Sonne schalten will, kann ich das halt auch machen.",{"text":43320,"start":29068,"end":29097},"Ich hab, keine Ahnung, meine Kaffeemaschine braucht zum Beispiel auch ziemlich viel Strom.",{"text":43322,"start":29097,"end":29120},"Ich hab da auch eine sone Schaltsteckdose hinter.",{"sentences":43324,"speaker":158,"num_words":43335,"start":29120,"end":29369},[43325,43327,43329,43331,43333],{"text":43326,"start":29120,"end":29180},"Ich benutz sie aber, also man fand gedacht, ja, vielleicht ist geil, das mit mir auch über Schuss zu machen, aber ist Käse.",{"text":43328,"start":29180,"end":29209},"Also die Kaffeemaschine muss dann laufen, wenn Du Kaffee haben willst.",{"text":43330,"start":29209,"end":29262},"Nicht dann, wenn ich's euch scheint und morgens, was auch immer abhängig von der Jahreszeit ist die dann noch nicht da.",{"text":43332,"start":29262,"end":29288},"Aber ich hab die da als Messsteckdosen hinter, ne.",{"text":43334,"start":29288,"end":29369},"Ich hab ihn da beim Kühlschrank eine und das heißt also etwas, was wir ganz am Anfang nicht hatten, weil wir gesagt haben, ah, unser Fokus ist eigentlich erst mal nur Regeln und Steuern.",98,{"sentences":43337,"speaker":158,"num_words":43348,"start":29372,"end":29588},[43338,43340,43342,43344,43346],{"text":43339,"start":29372,"end":29411},"Was wir jetzt seit einigen Releases machen, ist, dass wir halt auch Daten, historische Daten erfassen.",{"text":43341,"start":29411,"end":29472},"Das heißt, gesagt, okay, wir wollen jetzt kein Grafana sein, also die den Ausleitungskanal in FluxiB und so hatten wir schon ganz am Start.",{"text":43343,"start":29472,"end":29532},"Also dass man sagen kann, hier, alles das, was bei euch durchläuft, ich hätte gerne eine Persistenz vorne, ich hätt gern 'n Grafana Dashboard.",{"text":43345,"start":29532,"end":29558},"Da gibt's auch Community Dashboards, die man sich irgendwie angucken kann.",{"text":43347,"start":29560,"end":29588},"Das geht alles, aber sich 'n Grafana einrichten ist jetzt auch was, 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Uhrzeit.",{"sentences":43374,"speaker":158,"num_words":42704,"start":30075,"end":30441},[43375,43377,43379,43381],{"text":43376,"start":30075,"end":30178},"Was was zwischen 0 Uhr 30 und 0 Uhr 31 passiert ist, das ist nicht unser Anspruch, sondern wir haben gesagt, wenn wir im Viertelstundentakt Energiewerte speichern, das ist son bisschen der der Kern, dann können wir das auch sehr lowtech machen.",{"text":43378,"start":30178,"end":30339},"Dann können wir einfach in die in die Esculite Daten machen, einfach die die Einträge uns reinschreiben und dann haben wir da, keine Ahnung, da kannst Du einige Jahre an an normale Haushaltsdaten quasi rein persistieren, bevor Du irgendeinen Bedarf für sone ja, hoch performantere aggregierende Datenbackend Geschichte hast und wir sind dann in 'nem technisch sehr einfachen Bereich unterwegs, ne?",{"text":43380,"start":30341,"end":30353},"Genau, das das machen wir inzwischen.",{"text":43382,"start":30353,"end":30441},"Das heißt, wir haben noch nicht viele Dashboards, sondern nicht viele Auswertungen, aber man kann sich die Zeit leisten quasi auf Tages-, Monats- und Jahressicht heute schon angucken, jetzt für meine Kaffeemaschine oder irgendwas, was ich",{"sentences":43384,"speaker":179,"num_words":43389,"start":30441,"end":30478},[43385,43387],{"text":43386,"start":30441,"end":30454},"an die Steckdose angesprochen hab.",{"text":43388,"start":30454,"end":30478},"Für meine PV Anlage oder für meine beiden PV Anlagen kann ich",17,{"sentences":43391,"speaker":158,"num_words":43398,"start":30478,"end":30702},[43392,43394,43396],{"text":43393,"start":30478,"end":30505},"dann irgendwie gucken, wo kommen mehr, wo kommen weniger an bestimmten Tagen.",{"text":43395,"start":30508,"end":30681},"Genau und da haben wir uns erst mal auf das Datenerfassen und Basisvisualisieren konzentriert, aber ist sicher 'n Bereich, den wir, also nee, das ist ein Bereich, der auf meiner Liste steht, den wir ausbauen müssten und wollen, daraus dann auch wirklich schöne Charts zu bauen, ne, dass man wirklich sagen kann, hier von meinen Haushaltsverbrauchern war diesen Monat die Waschmaschine vor dem Kühlschrank oder nicht oder wie auch immer.",{"text":43397,"start":30684,"end":30702},"Solche Sachen daraus dann auch wirklich zu visualisieren.",90,{"sentences":43400,"speaker":179,"num_words":41859,"start":30705,"end":30723},[43401,43403],{"text":43402,"start":30705,"end":30709},"Ja, cool.",{"text":43404,"start":30711,"end":30723},"Und vielleicht, weil Du's vorhin noch",{"sentences":43406,"speaker":2678,"num_words":42854,"start":30723,"end":30813},[43407,43409],{"text":43408,"start":30723,"end":30766},"mal angesprochen hast, wie dann eine neue Kategorie aufgemacht mit, wie AI enabled seid ihr denn eigentlich unterwegs?",{"text":43410,"start":30766,"end":30813},"Dass man, ihr habt einen einen einen AI Agent, der zumindest mal die die Issues bewertet, theoretisch",{"sentences":43412,"speaker":179,"num_words":42280,"start":30813,"end":30837},[43413],{"text":43414,"start":30813,"end":30837},"auch 'n Pool request theoretisch auch mitarbeitet,",{"sentences":43416,"speaker":2678,"num_words":43389,"start":30841,"end":30879},[43417],{"text":43418,"start":30841,"end":30879},"aber wie viel wie viel Code bei EVCC wird von AI geschrieben und wie viel von Hand?",{"sentences":43420,"speaker":158,"num_words":41723,"start":30882,"end":31057},[43421,43423,43425,43427,43429],{"text":43422,"start":30882,"end":30888},"Ja, von Hand?",{"text":43424,"start":30888,"end":30894},"Mein Gott.",{"text":43426,"start":30897,"end":30913},"Und das ist auch Gute Frage.",{"text":43428,"start":30915,"end":30942},"Die Zahl geht auf jeden Fall hart gegen 0, würd ich sagen.",{"text":43430,"start":30942,"end":31057},"Also das ist also etwas, was ich jetzt über das letzte Jahr, letzte halbe Jahr vor allem, also bei bei vielen Sohn ist seit Anfang des Jahres, hat man das Gefühl, okay, ich kann das noch per Hand schreiben, aber das was der Pott macht.",{"sentences":43432,"speaker":158,"num_words":43187,"start":31057,"end":31477},[43433,43435,43437,43439,43441],{"text":43434,"start":31057,"end":31101},"Also selten, dass die Qualität schlechter ist wie das, was ich selber in der Lage wäre zu produzieren.",{"text":43436,"start":31104,"end":31346},"Genau, also vor 'nem Jahr oder so war das so, dass wir also vermehrt Po request gekriegt haben, wo wir das Gefühl hatten, okay, da hat jetzt jemand, keine Ahnung, so sloppy Style PR gemacht und da haben wir relativ genervt davon, also auch weil die Qualität relativ so mehr war und in der Contributeing m b gibt's auch irgendwie Regeln, was was so Anforderungen sind, die man irgendwie mitbringen muss, jetzt bei uns son PR zu machen oder wann wir Dinge auch vielleicht auch kommentarlos oder mit sonem guck dir das mal bitte an Kommentar zu machen.",{"text":43438,"start":31349,"end":31384},"Aber das hat sich in den letzten Monaten, Wochen total, ja, Monaten total geändert, ne.",{"text":43440,"start":31384,"end":31418},"Also dass die dass die Qualität, die wir da kriegen, echt total hoch ist.",{"text":43442,"start":31418,"end":31477},"Ich glaube, wir selbst im Core Team, also natürlich, also Großteil des Codes haben wir selber geschrieben, auch mit Hand und ihr könnt auch selber lesen.",{"sentences":43444,"speaker":158,"num_words":42394,"start":31480,"end":31698},[43445,43447,43449,43451,43453],{"text":43446,"start":31480,"end":31532},"Genau, aber das, also das, was jetzt neu dazukommt, das ändert sich, das ist einfach viel Ausgabe von Cloud Code quasi.",{"text":43448,"start":31532,"end":31612},"Es ist wird wahrscheinlich bei bei euch und beiden in anderen Projekten ähnlich sein, dass man das noch aus historischen Gründen quasi per Hand machen könnte, aber muss man schon total Bock drauf haben bin.",{"text":43450,"start":31616,"end":31635},"Wenn man seine Zeit da rein investieren will, ja.",{"text":43452,"start":31637,"end":31649},"Genau, das mit den PR Pods.",{"text":43454,"start":31649,"end":31698},"Also was wir schon lange, schon seit 2 oder 3 Jahren hatten, ist das für son, was hatten wir denn werken?",{"sentences":43456,"speaker":158,"num_words":43335,"start":31698,"end":31938},[43457,43459,43461,43463,43465],{"text":43458,"start":31698,"end":31726},"Sone Open Source Tier von Sorcery AI nannte sich das.",{"text":43460,"start":31726,"end":31750},"Das ist son oder nennt sich das, ist immer noch da.",{"text":43462,"start":31752,"end":31767},"Der macht sone Ersteinschätzung von PRs.",{"text":43464,"start":31767,"end":31893},"Das heißt, jemand stellt PR und dann läuft son Sorcery Bot los und der guckt sich den PR an und gibt dann da irgendwie son sone Einschätzung zu mit, ah, das kannst Du mal irgendwie machen und das ist aber irgendwie nicht in Laien mit dem, was er sonst in der Coop Base ist.",{"text":43466,"start":31895,"end":31938},"Das war total, war mir eher skeptisch, war total super, wollt man dann auch nicht wieder abgeben.",{"sentences":43468,"speaker":158,"num_words":43479,"start":31941,"end":32280},[43469,43471,43473,43475,43477],{"text":43470,"start":31941,"end":31970},"Und genau, das, was ich eben erzählt hab, ist das ja jetzt bei Issues.",{"text":43472,"start":31973,"end":32066},"Da läuft wirklich 'n Cloudcode dann auch los und guckt sich, also vergleicht, liest Logfiles, guckt sich Screenshots an und guckt, ob das plausibel ist, ob's 'n Anwenderfehler ist, ob's mit der Doku matcht oder nicht.",{"text":43474,"start":32066,"end":32140},"Und gibt wirklich Informationen, die dann auch superhilfreich sind, wo wir dann als Maainer teilweise nur sagen mit, ja, das, was da oben geschrieben ist, so ist das, ne.",{"text":43476,"start":32140,"end":32165},"Das ist 'n Bug, da müssen wir uns drum kümmern.",{"text":43478,"start":32168,"end":32280},"Beziehungsweise wenn sich der der Board an der Stelle sicher ist, dann also man sieht dann, dass das das in Anführungszeichen steht dann teilweise mit drin, so im Sinne von, ich bin mir ziemlich sicher, ich mach schon mal 'n PR auch ohne die Maainer gefragt zu haben.",137,{"sentences":43481,"speaker":158,"num_words":41622,"start":32280,"end":32414},[43482,43484,43486,43488],{"text":43483,"start":32280,"end":32312},"Und bei vielen Sachen ist es ein Ja, vielleicht eher eine Design Decision.",{"text":43485,"start":32315,"end":32352},"Ich warte mal auf Feedback von dem Maainer, bevor ich jetzt 'n PR stelle zum Beispiel, ne.",{"text":43487,"start":32352,"end":32374},"War jetzt die Lösung schon im Kopf in Anführungszeichen.",{"text":43489,"start":32376,"end":32414},"Das ist das schon krass, wie das auch die Arbeit natürlich mit den Ischüssen so verändert.",{"sentences":43491,"speaker":179,"num_words":42280,"start":32417,"end":32435},[43492,43493,43494],{"text":5253,"start":32417,"end":32418},{"text":43402,"start":32418,"end":32423},{"text":43495,"start":32425,"end":32435},"Dennis, ich bin so",{"sentences":43497,"speaker":2678,"num_words":41864,"start":32435,"end":32457},[43498,43500,43502],{"text":43499,"start":32435,"end":32440},"weit durch.",{"text":43501,"start":32440,"end":32449},"Was ist bei dir?",{"text":43503,"start":32449,"end":32457},"Wie sieht's aus?",{"sentences":43505,"speaker":179,"num_words":41992,"start":32459,"end":32718},[43506,43508,43510,43512,43514],{"text":43507,"start":32459,"end":32482},"Ja, ich glaube, konkrete Fragen habe ich auch nicht mehr.",{"text":43509,"start":32482,"end":32526},"Ich wollte noch mal drauf eingehen, weil ihr es auf der Webseite stehen habt und weil ich's auch so empfinde.",{"text":43511,"start":32530,"end":32577},"Da steht der der Satz, wir lieben gute Benutzeroberflächen und dass da einfach, glaub ich, viel Wert draufgelegt wurde.",{"text":43513,"start":32577,"end":32672},"Das ist 'n sehr simples und sehr hübsches Interface ist, was einfach zu verstehen ist, einfach so von der U X ja, Spaß macht zu benutzen und von daher ich, ja, ich nutze die App sehr gerne.",{"text":43515,"start":32672,"end":32718},"Ich muss dazu sagen, aber das ist immer das Ding in meinem alles, was mit meiner Home Automatisierung so zu tun hat.",{"sentences":43517,"speaker":179,"num_words":42062,"start":32720,"end":32912},[43518,43520,43522],{"text":43519,"start":32720,"end":32798},"Zu oft funktioniert es nicht, das liegt dann aber nicht an die VCC, sondern irgendwie, ach meine Wallbox ist so Ding, die ist nur im WLAN, weil ich dann auch kein Kabel verlegt habe.",{"text":43521,"start":32798,"end":32852},"Jedes Mal, wenn da irgendwie 'n Reset ist oder so was, verbindet die sich nicht neu, dann ist die wieder nicht da.",{"text":43523,"start":32854,"end":32912},"Also da gibt's einfach so Kleinigkeiten, die das noch nicht perfekt machen bei mir, aber eher, dass dass die Gegebenheiten außen rum sind.",{"sentences":43525,"speaker":2678,"num_words":43530,"start":32914,"end":33027},[43526,43528],{"text":43527,"start":32914,"end":32993},"Du weißt, Du, sorry, ich hab nämlich vorhin gedacht, Du hast doch am Anfang gesagt, Du nutzt EVACC, aber jetzt nimmst Du auch Heartbeat AI, weißt Du dann?",{"text":43529,"start":32993,"end":33027},"Bist Du einfach dein Tech Herz, dass Du verschiedene Sachen ausprobieren willst oder was?",42,{"sentences":43532,"speaker":179,"num_words":41736,"start":33029,"end":33234},[43533,43535,43537,43539,43541],{"text":43534,"start":33029,"end":33114},"Na ja, Hard Beat Beat Beat Beat, ganz ehrlich, muss ich sagen, ich weiß auch gar nicht, was ist am Ende, also der der Marketinggespräch ist ja so, ne, wir optimieren jetzt alles.",{"text":43536,"start":33114,"end":33161},"Ich hab jetzt die App von denen schon länger von 1.5 Grad und ich kann da jetzt auch mal 1, ne.",{"text":43538,"start":33161,"end":33186},"Ich seh da jetzt irgendwie, was die PV Anlage grade macht.",{"text":43540,"start":33186,"end":33230},"Ich seh, was die Wärmepumpe grade verbraucht, wie die Batterie gespeichert ist und scheint so sehr die Sonne?",{"text":5253,"start":33233,"end":33234},{"sentences":43543,"speaker":179,"num_words":42315,"start":33236,"end":33432},[43544,43546,43548,43550,43552],{"text":43545,"start":33236,"end":33253},"Und dass ich grade 5.5 Kilowatt einspeise.",{"text":43547,"start":33256,"end":33296},"Und dann gibt's son Heartbeat Tab, aber ich seh noch nicht, was dann wirklich optimiert wird.",{"text":43549,"start":33296,"end":33383},"Und ich, vielleicht kommt das jetzt, weil ich das wie gesagt, also am ersten Oktober wird noch mal irgendwas aktiviert, aber es ist für mich noch son bisschen zwischen Marketing und ich weiß nicht genau, was passiert.",{"text":43551,"start":33386,"end":33393},"Von daher Okay.",{"text":43553,"start":33396,"end":33432},"Genau, da sind die ganzen Sachen auch irgendwie angeschlossen und ich warte jetzt mal ab und gucke...",{"sentences":43555,"speaker":179,"num_words":43530,"start":33435,"end":33534},[43556,43558],{"text":43557,"start":33435,"end":33465},"Also meine Hoffnung wäre so, da steht drin, hey, das war jetzt super smart.",{"text":43559,"start":33465,"end":33534},"Ich hab heute Nacht das Haus schon mal aufgewärmt, weil morgen wird's wieder kalt so und das ist gut und es hat irgendwie 'n Mehrwert und sich das",{"sentences":43561,"speaker":2678,"num_words":41960,"start":33534,"end":33649},[43562,43564,43565,43567],{"text":43563,"start":33534,"end":33541},"gut an.",{"text":5253,"start":33541,"end":33543},{"text":43566,"start":33543,"end":33567},"Also wir müssen eigentlich noch mal eine Recap Folge machen.",{"text":43568,"start":33567,"end":33649},"Jetzt wissen wir jetzt wissen wir, was Hape Air Eis, jetzt kennen wir EVCC und Du bist unsere Testbienchen für beide Dinge und kannst uns noch mal sagen, was der Unterschied ist.",{"sentences":43570,"speaker":158,"num_words":41779,"start":33649,"end":33682},[43571,43573],{"text":43572,"start":33649,"end":33677},"Find ich gut, finde ich interessant, wenn ich kein dabei.",{"text":4474,"start":33681,"end":33682},{"sentences":43575,"speaker":179,"num_words":41864,"start":33684,"end":33704},[43576,43578],{"text":43577,"start":33684,"end":33692},"sehr gut, alles klar.",{"text":43579,"start":33692,"end":33704},"Dann machen wir vielleicht immer",{"sentences":43581,"speaker":2678,"num_words":42280,"start":33704,"end":33722},[43582],{"text":43583,"start":33704,"end":33722},"noch mal son son 7 Minuten Check",{"sentences":43585,"speaker":179,"num_words":41979,"start":33722,"end":33749},[43586,43588,43590],{"text":43587,"start":33722,"end":33734},"in mit Michael und Dennis.",{"text":43589,"start":33737,"end":33743},"Ja, sehr gerne.",{"text":43591,"start":33746,"end":33749},"Sehr gerne.",{"sentences":43593,"speaker":2678,"num_words":43596,"start":33749,"end":33828},[43594],{"text":43595,"start":33749,"end":33828},"Ja, ansonsten, Michael, ist, wir hören eigentlich immer meistens bei son Deep Doppels damit auf zu fragen, gibt's denn irgendwas, was wir aus deiner Sicht nicht gefragt haben, über über was",31,{"sentences":43598,"speaker":179,"num_words":41979,"start":33828,"end":33857},[43599,43601],{"text":43600,"start":33828,"end":33849},"Du aber gerne gesprochen hättest bei E-Pot c-C?",{"text":43602,"start":33853,"end":33857},"Irgendwas, wo",{"sentences":43604,"speaker":2678,"num_words":41920,"start":33857,"end":33896},[43605],{"text":43606,"start":33857,"end":33896},"Du denkst, Mann, der Fabi oder Dennis, warum sind die Frage denn nicht gestellt?",{"sentences":43608,"speaker":158,"num_words":42403,"start":33899,"end":33999},[43609,43611,43613,43615],{"text":43610,"start":33899,"end":33905},"Ja, gute Frage.",{"text":43612,"start":33907,"end":33937},"Also wir haben, kleinen die offensichtlichen Funktionsbereiche, glaub ich, alle abgegrast.",{"text":43614,"start":33940,"end":33989},"Wenn ich mir jetzt grade im im Kopf die Doku vorstelle, auf was wir da gegliedert und wie wir das aufgebaut haben.",{"text":43616,"start":33991,"end":33999},"Nee, ich glaube, passt.",{"sentences":43618,"speaker":179,"num_words":42527,"start":34002,"end":34035},[43619,43621],{"text":43620,"start":34002,"end":34032},"Was für mich neu war, ich wusste nicht, dass es eine native App gibt.",{"text":34037,"start":34034,"end":34035},{"sentences":43623,"speaker":158,"num_words":41864,"start":34039,"end":34058},[43624],{"text":43625,"start":34039,"end":34058},"Hast Du's grade gelernt oder hast Du's jetzt von...",{"sentences":43627,"speaker":179,"num_words":41934,"start":34061,"end":34138},[43628,43630,43632,43634],{"text":43629,"start":34061,"end":34082},"Nee, nee, also Du hast es ja eben erzählt.",{"text":43631,"start":34082,"end":34089},"Ja, ja, ja.",{"text":43633,"start":34092,"end":34102},"Das das das war so.",{"text":43635,"start":34102,"end":34138},"Bei mir läuft es innerhalb von Home Assistant tatsächlich grundsätzlich, aber ja, da",{"sentences":43637,"speaker":158,"num_words":42888,"start":34140,"end":34300},[43638],{"text":43639,"start":34140,"end":34300},"Genau, das mit der mit der App kam, kann ich ganz kurz den Background zu geben, es gab ich weiß nicht, wie wie ihr das mitgekriegt habt, vor ein, 2, ja vor 2, 3 Jahren oder so was, hat Apple jemanden angekündigt, sie machen ihr ihr App to Homescreen Feature, machen sie in Europa tot, weil sie irgendwie EU Auflagen machen sollten und das wollten",{"sentences":43641,"speaker":179,"num_words":2678,"start":34300,"end":34305},[43642],{"text":43643,"start":34300,"end":34305},"sie nicht.",{"sentences":43645,"speaker":158,"num_words":42095,"start":34305,"end":34541},[43646,43648,43650,43651,43653],{"text":43647,"start":34305,"end":34381},"Dann haben sie gesagt, dann machen wir lieber halt die Funktion weg, als dass wir jetzt anderen Browsern das auch ermöglichen, da irgendwie son Homescreen progressive App Ding zu machen.",{"text":43649,"start":34381,"end":34431},"Und das war bei uns der Punkt, weil ganz viele Leute einfach EVCC auf Homescreen installieren, das war unser empfohlenes Ding.",{"text":5253,"start":34431,"end":34433},{"text":43652,"start":34435,"end":34495},"Und genau, genau, ganz viele Leute benutzen das so und das war bei uns dann son, okay, wenn das wegfällt, dann ist das irgendwie kacke, ne.",{"text":43654,"start":34495,"end":34541},"Dann muss ich's 'n Browser aufmachen, da hab ich auch immer die Browserzeile, verlinke ich irgendwie Platz.",{"sentences":43656,"speaker":158,"num_words":43667,"start":34541,"end":34886},[43657,43659,43661,43663,43665],{"text":43658,"start":34541,"end":34585},"Und das war bei uns der Punkt, wo wir gesagt haben, komm, lass uns mal überlegen, was eine App bedeutet.",{"text":43660,"start":34588,"end":34620},"Fokus war immer noch, dass wir möglichst viel des User Tafaces nicht doppelt bauen.",{"text":43662,"start":34622,"end":34683},"Das heißt, de facto ist das, wenn das erst mal eingerichtet ist, 'n Fullscreen Browser, wo ich zwischen unterschiedlichen Instanzen hin- und herwechseln kann.",{"text":43664,"start":34685,"end":34740},"Wir haben inzwischen auch son Remote Access Server von Leuten, die sich jetzt irgendwie kein VPN oder sowas anmelden oder reinrichten können.",{"text":43666,"start":34742,"end":34886},"Kannst Du bei uns jetzt, wenn Du Sponsor bist, weil wir da 'n bisschen Cloud Infrastruktur betreiben, kannst Du 'n Haken setzen, kriegst eine Subdomain und kannst dir den internationalen Passwort anlegen, die lokal dann irgendwie gehalten und gecheckt werden und kannst dir dann einfach in der App abscannen und dann hast Du da irgendwie die Verbindung aufgebaut.",138,{"sentences":43669,"speaker":158,"num_words":41890,"start":34889,"end":35121},[43670,43671,43673,43675,43677],{"text":1226,"start":34889,"end":34890},{"text":43672,"start":34890,"end":34944},"Plus, was jetzt Neues, ich weiß nicht, ob Du iOS oder Android hast, das mit den Widgets kommt bei Android jetzt im nächsten Release.",{"text":43674,"start":34944,"end":34997},"Bei iOS gibt's da schon seit 1 2 Releases, aber das sind da natürlich wirklich die die Mehrwerte, die Du dann hast, ne.",{"text":43676,"start":34997,"end":35046},"Push Nachricht steht auf der Liste, haben wir aktuell auch noch nicht, aber könnte auch noch mal spannend sein, ne.",{"text":43678,"start":35046,"end":35121},"Gerade mit irgendwie Optimizer hat jetzt irgendwas umentschieden oder so was, könnte man wär wär 'n Anlass, wo man sagen könnte, hier informieren wir 'n Nutzer mal drüber über",{"sentences":43680,"speaker":179,"num_words":42020,"start":35123,"end":35135},[43681],{"text":43682,"start":35123,"end":35135},"Deine Wallbox ist wieder offline.",{"sentences":43684,"speaker":158,"num_words":42964,"start":35138,"end":35205},[43685,43687],{"text":43686,"start":35138,"end":35183},"Zum Beispiel der Ladeplan hat nicht so funktioniert, was Auto zu spät angesteckt wurde, was auch immer.",{"text":43688,"start":35183,"end":35205},"Irgendwelche Dinge, die man vielleicht mit mitkriegen möchte, ja.",{"sentences":43690,"speaker":179,"num_words":43699,"start":35205,"end":35255},[43691,43692,43694,43695,43697],{"text":1887,"start":35205,"end":35207},{"text":43693,"start":35210,"end":35213},"Sehr cool.",{"text":43402,"start":35215,"end":35218},{"text":43696,"start":35218,"end":35223},"Vielen Dank.",{"text":43698,"start":35226,"end":35255},"Dann haben wir natürlich wie in jedem Deep Dive auch heute noch unsere.",20,{"sentences":43701,"speaker":179,"num_words":43037,"start":35258,"end":35394},[43702,43704,43706,43708],{"text":43703,"start":35258,"end":35278},"Das war Fabis Einsatz für die Musik.",{"text":43705,"start":35281,"end":35288},"Es ist Fabis Einsatz.",{"text":43707,"start":35291,"end":35367},"So, Michael hatte im Vorgespräch der Folge erzählt, dass er extra noch auf unserer Webseite war und sich durch die Historie scrollt hat, nicht einen zu nehmen, der schon mal da war.",{"text":43709,"start":35367,"end":35394},"Das mache ich grade auch parallel noch mal, wenn ich",{"sentences":43711,"speaker":2678,"num_words":41683,"start":35394,"end":35460},[43712,43714,43716,43718],{"text":43713,"start":35394,"end":35418},"das Du kannst aber übrigens die Suche dazu benutzen.",{"text":43715,"start":35418,"end":35436},"Du kannst einfach in der Suche oben eingeben.",{"text":43717,"start":35436,"end":35458},"Du findest auch Pixob the day, ne?",{"text":4474,"start":35458,"end":35460},{"sentences":43720,"speaker":179,"num_words":43596,"start":35462,"end":35540},[43721,43723,43725],{"text":43722,"start":35462,"end":35495},"jetzt grad öffne, ich probier aber gar nicht, aber ich mach das parallel.",{"text":43724,"start":35495,"end":35522},"Fabi, fang Du doch mal an, während ich das Geld noch versuche.",{"text":43726,"start":35525,"end":35540},"Ja, ich hab 'n Pick of",{"sentences":43728,"speaker":2678,"num_words":42888,"start":35540,"end":35706},[43729,43731,43733,43735],{"text":43730,"start":35540,"end":35609},"the day mitgebracht, einen Tool, was ich noch gar nicht so lang im Einsatz hat, ich hab's eigentlich aus einem Use Case heraus gern noch mal ausprobiert.",{"text":43732,"start":35609,"end":35672},"Also vielleicht, wir hatten grade ja in der Folge uns auch drüber unterhalten, so AI Agents und dass man eigentlich gar keinen Code mehr selbst schreibt.",{"text":43734,"start":35672,"end":35692},"Ich glaub, das ist für niemanden hin neu.",{"text":43736,"start":35692,"end":35706},"Aber mein bisheriges GoTo",{"sentences":43738,"speaker":179,"num_words":158,"start":35710,"end":35711},[43739],{"text":35556,"start":35710,"end":35711},{"sentences":43741,"speaker":2678,"num_words":43752,"start":35714,"end":36213},[43742,43744,43746,43748,43750],{"text":43743,"start":35714,"end":35849},"mich durch meine verschiedenen Projekte zu navigieren und die verschiedenen Agent Harness zu benutzen, ist eigentlich und es ist aber so, dass wir, was mir aktuell an Kontaktor noch son bisschen fehlt, ist der Move hinzu, ich würd gern mit meinem Handy auch teilweise einfach, wenn ich remote bin, an den verschiedenen Features irgendwie weiterarbeiten.",{"text":43745,"start":35853,"end":35982},"Klar, ich kann irgendwie die Codex App nutzen, ich dann auch Cloud Code nutzen, die irgendwelche remote Funktionen haben, aber irgendwie ist meine Realität dann doch meistens so, dass ich viel am Mac bin und irgendwie Kontakter von der UI her eigentlich sehr viel ansprechender finde und irgendwie meine verschiedenen parallelen Workstreams organisieren.",{"text":43747,"start":35984,"end":36061},"Und ein Tool, das ähnlich wie verspricht, wie Conductor Open Source ist und dazu auch eine Mobile App anbietet, mit der ich das dann sozusagen Siemensesly weitermachen kann, ist Paseo.",{"text":43749,"start":36065,"end":36194},"Paseo Punkt s h, im Grunde genommen brauche ich gar nicht viel dazu sagen, außer dass es Conductor plus iPhone App ist, was bei Conductor ja bisher mit der mit der iOS App bisher nur im also bald verfügbar genannt wird und auch in dem 30 Dollar pro Monat Planung mit drin ist.",{"text":43751,"start":36194,"end":36213},"Bei Phaseo ist das Ganze direkt mit drin.",199,{"sentences":43754,"speaker":2678,"num_words":43761,"start":36213,"end":36344},[43755,43757,43759],{"text":43756,"start":36213,"end":36227},"Ich probier's grad son bisschen aus.",{"text":43758,"start":36227,"end":36333},"Ich find's erst mal ganz cool und würd's euch vielleicht mal ans Herzding auch auszuprobieren, wenn es ein Use Case ist, der euch interessiert und nicht, dass ihr das Ganze nicht über Cloud oder Codex beziehungsweise die Chat GPT App machen wollt.",{"text":43760,"start":36336,"end":36344},"Dennis, hast Du gecheckt?",52,{"sentences":43763,"speaker":179,"num_words":227,"start":36347,"end":36374},[43764,43766],{"text":43765,"start":36347,"end":36359},"Ich hab irgendwie das Gefühl, dass...",{"text":43767,"start":36362,"end":36374},"Also hast Du dich grade hast",{"sentences":43769,"speaker":2678,"num_words":43774,"start":36374,"end":36489},[43770,43772],{"text":43771,"start":36374,"end":36460},"Du dich grade gekratzt, weil Du dachtest, oh, ist das jetzt 'n guter vom Fabi oder weil Du weil Du immer noch bei deinem Pick bist und gar nicht zugehört hast, was ich grade erzählt hab?",{"text":43773,"start":36460,"end":36489},"Doch, weil es hätte auch so ein Kratzen sein können, so,",47,{"sentences":43776,"speaker":179,"num_words":41974,"start":36489,"end":36499},[43777],{"text":43778,"start":36489,"end":36499},"oh ja, war das",{"sentences":43780,"speaker":2678,"num_words":41859,"start":36499,"end":36516},[43781],{"text":43782,"start":36499,"end":36516},"jetzt gut, was der Fabi erzählt hat oder?",{"sentences":43784,"speaker":179,"num_words":41859,"start":36516,"end":36541},[43785,43787],{"text":43786,"start":36516,"end":36531},"Pareo hört sich fantastisch an.",{"text":43788,"start":36531,"end":36541},"Ja, toll, danke.",{"sentences":43790,"speaker":2678,"num_words":42561,"start":36541,"end":36583},[43791,43793],{"text":43792,"start":36541,"end":36560},"Das diese diese Affirmation hab ich gebraucht.",{"text":43794,"start":36560,"end":36583},"Hat mir bestimmt gefehlt, nachdem ich's grade erzählt hab.",{"sentences":43796,"speaker":179,"num_words":41859,"start":36583,"end":36609},[43797,43798,43800],{"text":5253,"start":36583,"end":36585},{"text":43799,"start":36589,"end":36603},"Und werde ich mir sofort verzerrt.",{"text":36610,"start":36608,"end":36609},{"sentences":43802,"speaker":158,"num_words":42020,"start":36612,"end":36622},[43803],{"text":43804,"start":36612,"end":36622},"Also brauchst Du noch kurz?",{"sentences":43806,"speaker":2678,"num_words":41784,"start":36622,"end":36654},[43807],{"text":43808,"start":36622,"end":36654},"Ist der Michael erst dran oder weißt Du, ob Du 'n Nein, ich",{"sentences":43810,"speaker":179,"num_words":43820,"start":36654,"end":36834},[43811,43813,43815,43817,43818],{"text":43812,"start":36654,"end":36719},"hab's, ich konnt das nicht noch mal, ich konnt das nicht verifizieren parallel, weil also Fahrradfahren hast Du schon mal in Polen, falls es das ist.",{"text":43814,"start":36719,"end":36733},"Ich wollte schlafen nehmen heute.",{"text":43816,"start":36736,"end":36755},"Nein, passend zur Folge einen dynamischen Stromtarif.",{"text":36762,"start":36759,"end":36760},{"text":43819,"start":36764,"end":36834},"Nicht unbedingt, weil es jetzt irgendwie wirtschaftlich wirtschaftlich auf jeden Fall sinnvoll ist, aber da wollte ich nach Tipper nachgucken, weil ich hab ja mal Tipper nach Hause.",67,{"sentences":43822,"speaker":2678,"num_words":41939,"start":36834,"end":36889},[43823,43825,43827],{"text":43824,"start":36834,"end":36863},"Ja, hast Du neunzehnter vierter, hast Du die Suche benutzt?",{"text":43826,"start":36863,"end":36877},"Ich hab nur einmal eingegeben.",{"text":43828,"start":36877,"end":36889},"Neunzehnter vierter 2040.",{"sentences":43830,"speaker":179,"num_words":43389,"start":36889,"end":36933},[43831],{"text":43832,"start":36889,"end":36933},"Ich hab's Suche nicht genutzt, weil mein Internet, mein, ich hatte grade kein Internet auf meinem Handy.",{"sentences":43834,"speaker":2678,"num_words":41678,"start":36936,"end":36994},[43835,43837],{"text":43836,"start":36936,"end":36974},"Egal, ist jetzt neunzehnter vierter 24, das heißt, ist schon ein paar Jährchen her, dass...",{"text":43838,"start":36974,"end":36994},"Ich mein, ob Du Lust in Polen hast?",{"sentences":43840,"speaker":179,"num_words":43849,"start":36998,"end":37050},[43841,43843,43844,43845,43847],{"text":43842,"start":36998,"end":37010},"Egal, machen wir einfach noch mal.",{"text":36762,"start":37010,"end":37013},{"text":5253,"start":37013,"end":37015},{"text":43846,"start":37015,"end":37032},"Uns muss ja nicht Timber sein.",{"text":43848,"start":37032,"end":37050},"Es gibt auch, was sind die großen anderen?",22,{"sentences":43851,"speaker":179,"num_words":41974,"start":37050,"end":37059},[43852],{"text":43853,"start":37050,"end":37059},"Das heißt Michael wahrscheinlich",{"sentences":43855,"speaker":158,"num_words":158,"start":37062,"end":37063},[43856],{"text":37066,"start":37062,"end":37063},{"sentences":43858,"speaker":179,"num_words":41979,"start":37063,"end":37092},[43859,43860],{"text":37066,"start":37063,"end":37068},{"text":43861,"start":37068,"end":37092},"Hokus und ja gut, 1.5 Grad tatsächlich jetzt auch.",{"sentences":43863,"speaker":158,"num_words":41939,"start":37095,"end":37135},[43864],{"text":43865,"start":37095,"end":37135},"Avatar, ich weiß nicht, ob die nur in Österreich unterwegs sind, ob die auch Deutschland was machen inzwischen.",{"sentences":43867,"speaker":179,"num_words":43877,"start":37137,"end":37410},[43868,43869,43871,43873,43875],{"text":5253,"start":37137,"end":37138},{"text":43870,"start":37141,"end":37200},"Was ich daran eigentlich spannend finde und deswegen so die Empfehlung, weil man sich 'n bisschen mehr damit auseinandersetzt, so, ne, was ich halt halt nicht hatte.",{"text":43872,"start":37200,"end":37283},"Also zum einen hast Du einfach, das fand ich mit Tipp immer ganz cool, die haben sone wöchentliche Vorhersage, wo die so sagen, hey, in der Kalenderwoche wird wahrscheinlich das und das so grundsätzlich passieren.",{"text":43874,"start":37286,"end":37367},"Der Wind wird irgendwie Ende der Woche schwächer, deswegen statt in Deutschland üblichen 25 Gigawatt laufen da nur 7 drüber und gleichzeitig ist aber die PV Anlage oder die die Sonnenenergie hoch.",{"text":43876,"start":37367,"end":37410},"Also einfach so Einblicke in warum kostet Strom wann wie viel, lässt einfach son bisschen aktiver darüber nachdenken.",113,{"sentences":43879,"speaker":179,"num_words":42403,"start":37410,"end":37513},[43880,43882,43884,43886,43888],{"text":43881,"start":37410,"end":37437},"Und allein den Effekt fand ich schon ganz schön bei mir.",{"text":43883,"start":37440,"end":37459},"Und Fabi, bevor Du wiederfragst, 30 Cent.",{"text":43885,"start":37462,"end":37488},"Ich weiß nicht, was die Frage zu der Antwort 30 Cent ist.",{"text":43887,"start":37490,"end":37497},"Das ist dynamisch.",{"text":43889,"start":37500,"end":37513},"Wie kannst Du denn eine Zahl sagen?",{"sentences":43891,"speaker":179,"num_words":43901,"start":37513,"end":37603},[43892,43894,43896,43898,43899],{"text":43893,"start":37513,"end":37545},"Ja, weil Du irgendwann mal gesagt hast, ja, was weiß das denn am Ende?",{"text":43895,"start":37545,"end":37559},"Was zahlst Du denn jetzt dafür?",{"text":43897,"start":37564,"end":37587},"Sattomalen konkreten Wert ungefähr bei mir die 30 Cent.",{"text":1887,"start":37589,"end":37590},{"text":43900,"start":37593,"end":37603},"Damit hast Du Nee,",34,{"sentences":43903,"speaker":2678,"num_words":41627,"start":37603,"end":37622},[43904],{"text":43905,"start":37603,"end":37622},"aber war kein Verkaufsargument für mich.",{"sentences":43907,"speaker":158,"num_words":43916,"start":37622,"end":37746},[43908,43910,43911,43913,43914],{"text":43909,"start":37622,"end":37699},"Jetzt überleg ich grad, ob ich noch 2 Spontanpicks mache, aber ich mach erst mal einen, vielleicht kann ich die anderen beiden dann nachher einfach noch mal zu Sehr gerne.",{"text":37705,"start":37701,"end":37702},{"text":43912,"start":37702,"end":37737},"Wie wie ich das dieses, was Du grade beschrieben hast, das Gefühl quasi kriege.",{"text":1887,"start":37737,"end":37739},{"text":43915,"start":37742,"end":37746},"Ja, genau.",48,{"sentences":43918,"speaker":158,"num_words":41854,"start":37746,"end":37933},[43919,43921,43923,43925,43927],{"text":43920,"start":37746,"end":37752},"Aber also genau.",{"text":43922,"start":37752,"end":37821},"Das, was ich mir rausgesucht hab, ist etwas, was ich, also auch Selfhosting, hab ich mir vor 'nem halben Jahr oder so, bin ich darauf aufmerksam gemacht worden.",{"text":43924,"start":37821,"end":37866},"Ich weiß gar nicht mehr genau, über welchen Podcast das war, aber ein Projekt, das dich Birdnet go nennt.",{"text":43926,"start":37869,"end":37901},"Das ist son bisschen Local machine learning oder Influence, wie auch immer.",{"text":43928,"start":37903,"end":37933},"Das heißt, man hat irgendwie 'n raspberry oder 'n ähnliches Singleboard Computerding.",{"sentences":43930,"speaker":158,"num_words":43162,"start":37936,"end":38300},[43931,43933,43935,43937,43939],{"text":43932,"start":37936,"end":38073},"Man steckt da 'n Mikrofon dran, man packt da die Software drauf Und dann ist das in sonem Modus und dann läuft da einen AI Modell oder ich hab jetzt 2 unterschiedliche Modelle da drauf, 1 von Google und 1 von 'ner irgendwie Cornell University, die das das kanonische Modell quasi bauen, die Vogelerkennung machen.",{"text":43934,"start":38073,"end":38118},"Das heißt, ich kann sehen, wie viel Blaumeisen in den letzten 15 Minuten hier ein Geräusch abgegeben haben.",{"text":43936,"start":38120,"end":38208},"Und dieses Birdnet Go ist 'n total cooles Projekt, wo jemand halt son Dashboard, sone Tabelle, wo ich dann irgendwie sehen kann, so diese Vögel waren heute da und dann kann ich's auf Stundenraster quasi sehen.",{"text":43938,"start":38208,"end":38231},"Okay, morgens ist die Amsel und abends ist die Amsel.",{"text":43940,"start":38231,"end":38300},"Und also Leute, die sich mit Vögel auskennen, wissen, ja, das ist halt so bei diesen Amsel und die Vögel sind morgens und abends, aber in der Mitte nicht.",{"sentences":43942,"speaker":158,"num_words":43953,"start":38300,"end":38618},[43943,43945,43947,43949,43951],{"text":43944,"start":38300,"end":38416},"Und also Dinge, die ich mir jetzt son bisschen revers aus Daten erschließe, wo ich das Gefühl hab, okay Leute, die sich mit Vögeln beschäftigen, die die die wissen das, für die ist das nix Neues, ne und bei unter welchen Bedingungen abends Grillen unterwegs sind unter welchen Bedingungen nicht.",{"text":43946,"start":38418,"end":38457},"Und das ist für mich ganz nett, weil ich hab jetzt wirklich sone son Datenpool, sone Datenbasis.",{"text":43948,"start":38460,"end":38482},"Ich hab auch scheinbar son son Display im Wohnbereich.",{"text":43950,"start":38485,"end":38598},"Immer wenn ein neuer Vogel auftaucht, dann steht da der Name des neuen Vogels groß oben drauf und dann weiß man jetzt, was auch immer, das ist ein irgendeine bestimmte Eulenart heute Nacht irgendwie zweimal gehört wurde oder so was und kann kann sich das dann angucken.",{"text":43952,"start":38598,"end":38618},"Das ist genau, es ist optisch ganz schön aufgemacht.",132,{"sentences":43955,"speaker":158,"num_words":43964,"start":38621,"end":38816},[43956,43958,43960,43962],{"text":43957,"start":38621,"end":38635},"Das nimmt erst mal Audio auf.",{"text":43959,"start":38635,"end":38653},"Man kann sich auch Audioschnipsel anhören.",{"text":43961,"start":38653,"end":38777},"Man kann da auch, ich hab das relativ runterkonfiguriert, dass der jetzt nicht irgendwie die Gartenkonversation der letzten 3 Jahre irgendwie aufm Rust Barry drauf habe, sondern das 'n wirklich Nutzen erkennen und Daten persistieren im Sinne von welchen Vogel hast Du gesehen da benutze, aber genau.",{"text":43963,"start":38777,"end":38816},"Also wenn man Kann man so die Garten hat und Vögel hat, sollte",72,{"sentences":43966,"speaker":2678,"num_words":42280,"start":38816,"end":38835},[43967,43969],{"text":43968,"start":38816,"end":38824},"man auch gucken.",{"text":43970,"start":38824,"end":38835},"Außer die im Kopf.",{"sentences":43972,"speaker":179,"num_words":41678,"start":38837,"end":38896},[43973,43975],{"text":43974,"start":38837,"end":38863},"Kannst Du mittlerweile an also an dem Gezwitscher auch Vögel erkennen?",{"text":43976,"start":38863,"end":38896},"Weil ich hatte nämlich mal, letztens war ich auf 'nem Junggesan Abschied",{"sentences":43978,"speaker":2678,"num_words":43130,"start":38896,"end":39145},[43979,43981,43983,43985,43987],{"text":43980,"start":38896,"end":38972},"und dann zum selben Tag gab's das Bird Race vom NABU, wo man einen Tag lang darauf achten muss sozusagen oder wie wie wer hört mehr verschiedene Vögel an einem Tag?",{"text":43982,"start":38972,"end":39066},"Und na gut, ich sag mal so, man könnte aber sagen, man hat 20 gehört, weil es hat natürlich niemand nachgeprüft so, aber dann bin ich mit, war ich auch mit Jungs unterwegs, die Ahnung hatten, wie sich Vögel anhören.",{"text":43984,"start":39066,"end":39079},"Ich hätte keinen einzigen erkennt.",{"text":43986,"start":39079,"end":39127},"Specht würde ich vielleicht anhand des Tockungs erkennen, aber auf jeden Fall nicht anhand des Geräusches gehabt.",{"text":43988,"start":39127,"end":39145},"Ich könnt keinen einzigen Vogel erkennen so.",{"sentences":43990,"speaker":158,"num_words":44000,"start":39145,"end":39204},[43991,43992,43994,43996,43998],{"text":5253,"start":39145,"end":39148},{"text":43993,"start":39148,"end":39160},"Bist Du dann besser geworden?",{"text":43995,"start":39160,"end":39174},"Ich wär in deinem Camp.",{"text":43997,"start":39174,"end":39185},"Ja, ja, nee, nee.",{"text":43999,"start":39185,"end":39204},"Also dieses, der Computer macht das für mich und",24,{"sentences":44002,"speaker":179,"num_words":42561,"start":39204,"end":39242},[44003,44005],{"text":44004,"start":39204,"end":39215},"ich kann mir das angucken.",{"text":44006,"start":39215,"end":39242},"Ich kann daraus meine eigenen, was auch immer, Schlüsse daraus ableiten.",{"sentences":44008,"speaker":158,"num_words":43761,"start":39245,"end":39367},[44009,44011],{"text":44010,"start":39245,"end":39260},"Ich ich näher mich von der Seite.",{"text":44012,"start":39260,"end":39367},"Vielleicht, wenn ich das leider genug laufen lasse, vielleicht kann ich dann irgendwann erkennen, okay, das ist jetzt wirklich die Amsel, weil die Wahrscheinlichkeit, ich weiß, dass die Wahrscheinlichkeit hoch ist, weil ich seh das ja in den Daten, aber soweit bin ich auch nicht.",{"sentences":44014,"speaker":2678,"num_words":41920,"start":39367,"end":39404},[44015],{"text":44016,"start":39367,"end":39404},"Das heißt, Du hörst dir nicht die einzelnen Sound Schnipsel dann an und denkst",{"sentences":44018,"speaker":158,"num_words":1002,"start":39406,"end":39629},[44019,44021,44023,44025,44027],{"text":44020,"start":39406,"end":39423},"Doch, ja doch, ab und dann schon.",{"text":44022,"start":39423,"end":39494},"Ja, ab und dann guckt man mal, keine Ahnung, also wenn jetzt irgendwie eine seltene Eule aufgetaucht ist, dann will man schon hören, wie wie was wie macht die denn eigentlich?",{"text":44024,"start":39494,"end":39574},"Und genau, was ich heute, ich hab das eben schon im im Vorgespräch gesagt, hier nebenan wird grad ein größere Bauarbeiten, der ist son Bagger, der auf dem Nachbargrundstück unterwegs ist.",{"text":44026,"start":39576,"end":39610},"Ich hab mir eben noch mal die die Loks von diesem Bird Dad angeguckt.",{"text":44028,"start":39613,"end":39629},"Also es die UI zeigt nur Vögel an.",{"sentences":44030,"speaker":158,"num_words":42403,"start":39631,"end":39737},[44031,44033,44035,44037],{"text":44032,"start":39631,"end":39659},"Im Lok stehen auch Dinge drin wie Motorengeräusch oder Elektrogerät.",{"text":44034,"start":39663,"end":39668},"Oh, geil.",{"text":44036,"start":39671,"end":39728},"Das heißt, er erkennt scheinbar auch noch, also diese Modelle erkennen noch mehr Dinge als nur Vögel, aber die Auswertung ist erst mal auf 'ner Vogelebene.",{"text":44038,"start":39732,"end":39737},"Aber lustig.",{"sentences":44040,"speaker":179,"num_words":42964,"start":39740,"end":39802},[44041,44043],{"text":44042,"start":39740,"end":39800},"Aber die ist, also einfach, das hat schon sone Qualität, wo man einfach sagen kann, so jeder Vogel, der da war, wird eigentlich erkannt, oder?",{"text":39803,"start":39800,"end":39802},{"sentences":44045,"speaker":158,"num_words":980,"start":39805,"end":40031},[44046,44048,44050,44052,44054],{"text":44047,"start":39805,"end":39848},"Du kann, genau, man kann das Threshholds ansetzen und sagen, okay, also Du kannst auch Regionen eingeben.",{"text":44049,"start":39848,"end":39873},"Das heißt, keine Ahnung, jetzt der australische Kiwi oder so.",{"text":44051,"start":39873,"end":39983},"Selbst wenn Du glaubst, den grade erkannt zu haben, Wahrscheinlichkeit ist wirklich gering, dass Du den, also man kann das noch 'n bisschen eingrenzen, dass da wenig falz Positives passieren und man kann auch mit den Erkennungsraten Threshholds noch mal 'n bisschen experimentieren.",{"text":44053,"start":39986,"end":40009},"Also Default Set ist, glaub ich, schon ganz gut.",{"text":44055,"start":40009,"end":40031},"Ich hab da am Anfang 'n bisschen hoch und 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